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Mike in St. Louis : 1/19/2018 11:44 am
Shattenkirk to undergo knee surgery for meniscus tear...out indefinitely...
Ugh  
MadPlaid : 1/19/2018 11:46 am : link
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it's that time  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2018 11:48 am : link
Greg  
MadPlaid : 1/19/2018 11:50 am : link
Ha. Good one. Yeah, it is time to be sellers. Hopefully, the other teams are in a generous buyers mood.
At least it happened just before the All Star break  
njm : 1/19/2018 11:52 am : link
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back up the truck.  
Victor in CT : 1/19/2018 11:56 am : link
Nash, Lundqvist (if he'll waive). McDonagh, Staal. Put 'em all on the block. They aren't going to win with this group. And since AV insists on riding them while they are here, it stunts the growth of the next wave.

I've come around to the side of those here who think AV has to go. Everyday is groundhog day.
What depresses me  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2018 12:00 pm : link
Is that I think there's a > 50% AV would just be replaced by Lindy Ruff, who I don't think would be any better.
Trade Nash/Grabner.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2018 12:02 pm : link
I think they can compete next year, so I'd be fine holding onto McDonagh/Zucc.
I didn't realize  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 12:09 pm : link
he's been playing with this most of the season. I've been too hard on him I guess, I thought he's been mediocre at best. And worse when you consider the contract.

hate when players try to tough out injuries without letting me know (LOL).

I do think he's been bad enough though it wouldn't change things if I were in the Rangers FO with my plans for the deadline/season, plenty of D available that can provide what Shattenkirk has provided this year, for low $$$/compensation.
Apparently he was playing with the injury  
gmen9892 : 1/19/2018 12:10 pm : link
Since very early in the season, which at least partly explains his average play.

Agree with the rest, sell off Nash, Grabner, and McD (if you get a ton back). See what you have in DeAngelo and Pionk.
RE: back up the truck.  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13796860 Victor in CT said:
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And since AV insists on riding them while they are here, it stunts the growth of the next wave.



I dont like AV, but what 'next wave growth' has been stunted? Buchnevich? He finally seems to be out of the dog house. What players in the minors should be here getting minutes over Nash, Grabner and Zuccs? Hartford is *awful* this year. And Andersson and Chytil are both teenagers probably better off developing - i dont think either is ready, unfortunately.
just looked this surgery up online  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2018 2:10 pm : link
4-6 weeks is most common. I guess if they find its serious its a 6 month deal... but from the quotes this morning, everyone seems to think its the former.

The good news is we dont have to trade anyone next 5 weeks, so i'm sure they'll see how we do next 4-6 without Kreider and Shatty and go from there.

Now if someone offers us two 1s for Nash right now, you have to strongly consider it.. but i highly doubt that happens.
RE: just looked this surgery up online  
Fish : 1/19/2018 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13797046 MetsAreBack said:
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4-6 weeks is most common. I guess if they find its serious its a 6 month deal... but from the quotes this morning, everyone seems to think its the former.

The good news is we dont have to trade anyone next 5 weeks, so i'm sure they'll see how we do next 4-6 without Kreider and Shatty and go from there.

Now if someone offers us two 1s for Nash right now, you have to strongly consider it.. but i highly doubt that happens.



hahahahahahah 2 #1's bahahahahahahaha
Why is  
Bones : 1/19/2018 3:29 pm : link
Everyone so eager to get rid of Grabner? He's the only guy on the team who can put the darn puck in the net.
RE: Why is  
Mad Mike : 1/19/2018 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13797145 Bones said:
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Everyone so eager to get rid of Grabner? He's the only guy on the team who can put the darn puck in the net.

It's not a matter of wanting to get rid of him. But the ratio of his trade value vs. future value to the Rangers is pretty high.
NYR needs to look longer term  
JonC : 1/19/2018 3:42 pm : link
Trade Nash/Grabner, look to get out of a contract or two of the overpriced DMen, and restock some assets. Not impressed with Gorton, so far, this team and last year's team lack identity and a blueprint of where they're trying to go.
Plus he's a FA after the season  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2018 3:44 pm : link
so Grabner and Nash are the two names most often mentioned in Rangers deadline trades.

I'd hold on to Nash as long as possible and if in contention no chance I deal Nash.

He's valuable in ways many fans don't realize (most of the BBI Rangers fans do, but a lot of fans don't).

He's everything you look for in a veteran leader, can score, can defend, can play top line minutes, can be on the PP, PK, just basically does everything a coach wants.

His post-seasons haven't always been stellar, but not for lack of shots.

If the Rangers fall out of contention I can see trading Nash as a rental, but if it were me, not until then.

Grabner I'd trade for a decent return, even now.
RE: RE: back up the truck.  
Victor in CT : 1/19/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13797040 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13796860 Victor in CT said:


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And since AV insists on riding them while they are here, it stunts the growth of the next wave.





I dont like AV, but what 'next wave growth' has been stunted? Buchnevich? He finally seems to be out of the dog house. What players in the minors should be here getting minutes over Nash, Grabner and Zuccs? Hartford is *awful* this year. And Andersson and Chytil are both teenagers probably better off developing - i dont think either is ready, unfortunately.


short sighted Ranger thinking. This team is going NOWHERE. Even if the prime kids you mentioned aren't ready this year, play some journeyman to finish the string. Doing as you suggest is typical of the Rangers thinking historically. Which is why they are 1 for 77 and counting.
Nash has no weaknesses as a player  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2018 4:09 pm : link
Not saying he's great at everything, but he's at least competent at everything. He's like a Swiss Army knife, he can be used in many different roles and play well in any of them. Some people grumble because he's no longer the goal-scorer he was in his younger years, and I understand that, but he's a really valuable player. Particularly valuable to a legit contender, I'd think.
They could move Nash as a rental  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2018 4:15 pm : link
and still bring him back in the offseason.

Gorton needs to do his due diligence now on possible trade partners and then allow the team to make his decision for him. They have 5 weeks to show the GM they're worthy of being granted another playoff shot. If they're still this inconsistent at the end of February, pull the trigger and sell. considering the upcoming schedule, I think that's the most likely outcome
RE: What depresses me  
Jay in Toronto : 1/20/2018 5:32 am : link
In comment 13796869 Greg from LI said:
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Is that I think there's a > 50% AV would just be replaced by Lindy Ruff, who I don't think would be any better.


Tempted to make a political comparison here, but of course won't.
Does not make sense  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/20/2018 8:46 am : link
to trade McDonagh. Quality defensemen are hard to come by. He's only 28 yrs old. Grabner is only 29. His speed is electric and creates all kinds of opportunities and space for his linemates. Nash will be 34 in June. He has a couple of good years left, but not much more than that.
Nash  
Bones : 1/20/2018 9:58 am : link
At 34 is one of our best goal scorers. When Grabner is 34, he will be one of our top goal scorers. Why trade him for a 24 year old who will be another typical ranger who scores 17 goals a year.
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Kyle in NY : 1/20/2018 10:25 am : link
Because they can both leave for nothing after the season. Same with McDonagh after next season. He'll likely be looking for a big contract after the rangers had him on a team friendly deal the last five years
I'm  
Bones : 1/20/2018 12:37 pm : link
Speaking specifically about Grabner. He will finish with over 50 goals in last two years. Is he not worth 3.5 mil a year, or are you going to trade him for a 3rd rounder who may end up being a top 6 Dman someday. Pay da man!
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