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Tom Quinn outta here....

Ray_Ray (NYG) : 1/20/2018 10:10 am
Following up initial @josephperson report of mutual interest, source tells @SportingNews that Thomas McGaughey expected to become new @Giants special teams coach. I'm told McGaughey was confident enough about getting the gig that he turned down an ST job elsewhere Per Alex Marvez
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Nearly a decade late,  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/20/2018 11:47 am : link
but THANK GOD. The fact that he was here this long through multiple coaches really has to make you wonder..
RE: Re: competition  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/20/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 13797841 Chris said:
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They only signed any kind of competition for Rosas once camp already began, and had only leftover table scraps to choose from. Not exactly a proactive plan. And to retain Rosas after a lousy first year, you'd have to show me some evidence he was ever any good to begin with.


It was Mike Nugent, a veteran kicker, who was perfect in preseason and so was Rosas. The right decision was keeping the younger player with the bigger leg for kickoffs.
Never saw any evidence Rosas had a strong leg  
Chris : 1/20/2018 11:56 am : link
Giants were 28th in the league in touchback percentage under Rosas. Early in the season, when the games actually counted, it seemed like they were reluctant to even go to Rosas on any kick of 50+ yeards, his supposed strength. I get that they wanted to go with a younger kicker, but dont agree Rosas is that guy. They should upgrade the position for next season.
Yes!!!  
BigBlue4You09 : 1/20/2018 12:04 pm : link
Take Wing with you!!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Will Aldrick Rosas be shown the door now...  
japanhead : 1/20/2018 12:06 pm : link
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hope so.


I don't want to see Rosas released yet. Let's see how he does over the off-season. The Giants need to bring in a proven veteran to compete with him though. Take a look around the league and you will find several kickers who struggled early in their careers only to turn into good kickers. Rosas has a very talented leg and the Giants need a second kicker anyway for training camp.



rosas has a big leg but terrible aim. i can't remember the giants having a worse kicker in my lifetime.. rookie HC who was OC on a losing team for 2 years, trading up to draft a third string QB in the 3rd round, going with a rookie kicker over a proven vet, drafting garbage at OL and insisting on NOT looking for upgrades.. this organization certainly had a curious approach to "win now" mode, with an aging MVP QB..

glad the ship has been righted but im still bitter about all of the braindead decisions these past 6 years.


FFS they didn't trade up for Webb. This isn't the first time you've said this, either.


The last time this was mentioned on a thread, not sure if it was the same guy but I’m assuming it was, I specifically asked him to provide details of what the Giants traded to move up for Webb. Of course he disappeared and never answered. I’m sure he will not respond here either and just keep regurgitating the same garbage in other threads.


so reese didn't trade up to get webb and i was mistaking that for the trade up to select ryan nassib a couple years back. my apologies, gents. still made zero sense to select him in the third with a franchise QB on the roster, and with glaring other needs all over the roster.

and yea, it wasn't me on the other thread who you prompted for details.
The Mighty Quinn  
M.S. : 1/20/2018 12:07 pm : link

Come all without, come all within
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn
Come all without, come all within
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn
RE: RE: Re: competition  
japanhead : 1/20/2018 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13797846 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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They only signed any kind of competition for Rosas once camp already began, and had only leftover table scraps to choose from. Not exactly a proactive plan. And to retain Rosas after a lousy first year, you'd have to show me some evidence he was ever any good to begin with.



It was Mike Nugent, a veteran kicker, who was perfect in preseason and so was Rosas. The right decision was keeping the younger player with the bigger leg for kickoffs.


i disagree with this logic. IMO the correct move would have been to go with a veteran kicker. of course its no guarantee that nugent would have been better, but rosas had a terrible year.
Thomas McGaughey's resume...  
M.S. : 1/20/2018 12:08 pm : link

...makes Tom Quinn's look like a comic book, or a horror show.

Take your choice.
RE: Quinn  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/20/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13797804 Sammo85 said:
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takes way too much garbage from people on here.


No, Quinn has provided way too much garbage for us to watch.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Will Aldrick Rosas be shown the door now...  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/20/2018 12:14 pm : link
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hope so.


I don't want to see Rosas released yet. Let's see how he does over the off-season. The Giants need to bring in a proven veteran to compete with him though. Take a look around the league and you will find several kickers who struggled early in their careers only to turn into good kickers. Rosas has a very talented leg and the Giants need a second kicker anyway for training camp.



rosas has a big leg but terrible aim. i can't remember the giants having a worse kicker in my lifetime.. rookie HC who was OC on a losing team for 2 years, trading up to draft a third string QB in the 3rd round, going with a rookie kicker over a proven vet, drafting garbage at OL and insisting on NOT looking for upgrades.. this organization certainly had a curious approach to "win now" mode, with an aging MVP QB..

glad the ship has been righted but im still bitter about all of the braindead decisions these past 6 years.


FFS they didn't trade up for Webb. This isn't the first time you've said this, either.


The last time this was mentioned on a thread, not sure if it was the same guy but I’m assuming it was, I specifically asked him to provide details of what the Giants traded to move up for Webb. Of course he disappeared and never answered. I’m sure he will not respond here either and just keep regurgitating the same garbage in other threads.



so reese didn't trade up to get webb and i was mistaking that for the trade up to select ryan nassib a couple years back. my apologies, gents. still made zero sense to select him in the third with a franchise QB on the roster, and with glaring other needs all over the roster.

and yea, it wasn't me on the other thread who you prompted for details.

A franchise QB on the roster? That's being way too kind to Geno Smith.
lol eric  
japanhead : 1/20/2018 12:16 pm : link
i meant eli.. but yea, my revulsion by reese's insistence on reaching for project backup or third-string QBs over his tenure here is definitely well documented.
There's no one who can spin this as not being a good move  
Ira : 1/20/2018 12:24 pm : link
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Maybe Quinn is being . . . .  
TC : 1/20/2018 12:26 pm : link
bumped up to DC!
RE: RE: Quinn  
Sammo85 : 1/20/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13797860 Eric from BBI said:
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takes way too much garbage from people on here.



No, Quinn has provided way too much garbage for us to watch.


The personal attacks on this site towards him have crossed some lines Eric. I don’t question the fact his units have been disappointing most years and he needs to move on as we need to make a change.

That said when he’s been given talent, they’ve performed. By and large a big chunk of the special teams roster has gotten worse the last 5-6 years too. People overlook that when viewing Reese’s draft failures.

If the barometer being applied to Quinn is applied to Spags, Spags not only didn’t deserve to get the interim tag or and interview but deserves a quick firing as well. His units have not only been embarrassing some years but also disgustingly undisciplined. He has shown an inability to adapt when the chips start falling and adjustment have to be made.
Sammo  
Jay on the Island : 1/20/2018 12:40 pm : link
what personal attacks? He has been a terrible ST coach for his entire tenure that should have been fired years ago. Are you trying to say that the Giants haven't brought in any talented ST's players over the past 10 years?
Sammo85  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/20/2018 12:41 pm : link
Our special teams have been mostly garbage for a decade. The one constant has been Quinn.
Sammo85  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/20/2018 12:43 pm : link
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. We'll see how Quinn's career goes after he leaves here.
RE: Sammo85  
Jay on the Island : 1/20/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13797888 Eric from BBI said:
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But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. We'll see how Quinn's career goes after he leaves here.

That's assuming he gets another NFL job. I don't expect him to get another job at least for a few years. He is likely headed back to college.
RE: Sammo  
Sammo85 : 1/20/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13797884 Jay on the Island said:
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what personal attacks? He has been a terrible ST coach for his entire tenure that should have been fired years ago. Are you trying to say that the Giants haven't brought in any talented ST's players over the past 10 years?


No he has not. Giants had some decent years under him. When the Giants brought in proven talent in guys like Weatherford and Feagles our punt game improved significantly and won us field position battles. With Dwayne Harris our punt and kick return yardage grew significantly and we had blocking schemes that were consistent.

Has there been more lapses than not recently? Yep. No doubt. But the problem isn’t just coaching. It’s bad or ineffective talent.
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arcarsenal : 1/20/2018 1:06 pm : link
It's funny. Before the season started, I was actually most worried about Rosas (aside from the obvious OL concerns) because I thought this was actually going to be a competitive football team that would be involved in a lot of close games.

It wound up not mattering, but I really wasn't impressed by him at all and think the Giants would be well-served to look elsewhere for a kicker.
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arcarsenal : 1/20/2018 1:07 pm : link
Punter too for that matter.

Brad Wing absolutely sucked this year and I'm not sold on him at all.
RE: RE: Sammo  
Jay on the Island : 1/20/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13797909 Sammo85 said:
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No he has not. Giants had some decent years under him. When the Giants brought in proven talent in guys like Weatherford and Feagles our punt game improved significantly and won us field position battles. With Dwayne Harris our punt and kick return yardage grew significantly and we had blocking schemes that were consistent.

Has there been more lapses than not recently? Yep. No doubt. But the problem isn’t just coaching. It’s bad or ineffective talent.

Weatherford had one good season here when you look at the stats. Wing went from a solid punter to dead last. Dwayne Harris was solid in his first year with the Giants and then in his next two he experienced his career worst numbers.
RE: Sammo85  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13797888 Eric from BBI said:
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But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. We'll see how Quinn's career goes after he leaves here.



Something like this...

Over his entire tenure here  
Jay on the Island : 1/20/2018 1:19 pm : link
What special teams player can you say that Quinn developed? How many players blossomed under his tutelage?
Maybe McGaughey  
Peppers : 1/20/2018 1:22 pm : link
could lure Graham Gano here.
RE: How many years of various BBI posters  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13797742 Jimmy Googs said:
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giving Quinn a pass, and I remember who some of you are. Some of my favorite excuses...

"We had a bad bottom roster and thats where ST guys come from"
"We don't draft well in late rounds"
"His units were up and down over the years"
"Yeah but remember how big STs played during the NFC Champ game in SF"
"How can you blame Quinn because his guys can't (fill in the blank)"
"NFL rules dont allow for enough practice time to focus on Special Teams"

anything I missed?


Apparently Sammo thinks I did miss some...

- Giants had some decent years under him
- When the Giants brought in proven talent in guys like Weatherford and Feagles our punt game improved significantly
- With Dwayne Harris our punt and kick return yardage grew significantly
-The problem isn’t just coaching. It’s bad or ineffective talent
Quinn is Gone?  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/20/2018 1:41 pm : link
I guess they fund his computer and destroyed all of the blackmail evidence with bleach bit. Thank God. YIPPEEEE!!!
I don't think of special teams as a unit that requires a certain level  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/20/2018 1:46 pm : link
of talent. It's more coaching-reliant than how fast or agile your players are. He's done a lot more poor work than good.
RE: RE: How many years of various BBI posters  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/20/2018 1:51 pm : link
In comment 13797926 Jimmy Googs said:
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- Giants had some decent years under him
- When the Giants brought in proven talent in guys like Weatherford and Feagles our punt game improved significantly
- With Dwayne Harris our punt and kick return yardage grew significantly
-The problem isn’t just coaching. It’s bad or ineffective talent


Coaching is the difference between needing proven or veteran talent to be effective and being able to develop players. You shouldn't have to spend free agent money just to have any kind of punt return success or have a good gunner on coverage. It also shows in the kicker situation. Why couldn't the coaching staff prepare Matt Dodge? Why are the young kickers who show up in camp getting cut here, then going to other teams and becoming solid players? I'm thinking of Boswell and McManus. And getting your kicks and punts blocked is absolutely preparation and coaching.
Part of me has never understood the Quinn hate  
BlackLight : 1/20/2018 1:59 pm : link
It always seemed to me that people always attacked the coaching whenever something got fouled up - no matter what the mistake was, or whether it was really the fault of "coaching" or player execution (if the kicker misses a FG they've made before or a returner muffs a punt they've caught before, then logically, I'm not sure how that's a coaching issue).

That said, I do think it's weird he kept his job as long as he did when so many other coaches over the years got sent on their way.

No point...  
paesan98 : 1/20/2018 2:11 pm : link
in dumping Rosas now. We are 7 1/2 months away from the start of the season. Let's see if a new coordinator can fix what is broken, while bringing in competition for the job earlier than last year.
Any notice who the Panther's replaced McGaughey with?  
USAF NYG Fan : 1/20/2018 2:31 pm : link
The Panthers didn't renew McGaughey's contract after the season and he reportedly is being replaced by former Giants linebacker Chase Blackburn, who had been the team's assistant special teams coach for the past two seasons.
RE: Any notice who the Panther's replaced McGaughey with?  
USAF NYG Fan : 1/20/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13797964 USAF NYG Fan said:
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The Panthers didn't renew McGaughey's contract after the season and he reportedly is being replaced by former Giants linebacker Chase Blackburn, who had been the team's assistant special teams coach for the past two seasons.

Nevermind, it was mentioned. I missed it in my first read through. Grrrr. No remove post or delete button.
I  
AcidTest : 1/20/2018 3:14 pm : link
wish him the best of luck.
He'll show up  
David B. : 1/20/2018 3:23 pm : link
wherever Reese ends up.
something odd about our special teams  
mdc1 : 1/20/2018 3:44 pm : link
is they do not make plays or change games(positive manner), only seem to play just a field position game in a low risk manner. The only big plays are NEGATIVE.

Who here thinks DG  
Canton : 1/20/2018 3:48 pm : link
told Shurmur he's getting McGaughey? It definitely doesn't sound like Shurmur reached out for this guy on his own since McGaughey is from the Panthers.

Or didn't even tell Shurmur yet and just told McGaughey' to stand pat. You're coming to the Giants once we have our HC.
Anybody  
Sammo85 : 1/20/2018 4:04 pm : link
really think Tom Quinn made Brad Wing shank a bunch of kicks or teach Rosas how to miss easy kick after easy kick?

I’m sure Quinn personally instructed Rosas to kick his multiple kickoffs to start games out of bounds!

Both kickers killed this team in numerous games. Most of the blocks and misplays on specials came long after the team was dead with injuries and turmoil. It’s not Tom Quinn’s fault when a player simply cannot block a guy.

It’s called execution. Our players have been terrible at it and gotten worse the last few years. Quinn wasn’t being given much to work with the last few years.
What a relief.  
Beezer : 1/20/2018 4:06 pm : link
Quinn being shown the door is as much a sign of real change as anything.

I guess he had no photos of Gettleman.
Hallelujah!  
wpetinaudjr : 1/20/2018 4:20 pm : link
I hope Quinn lands on his feet, but he's been collecting a check while be awful for years!!
RE: Who here thinks DG  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13798026 Canton said:
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told Shurmur he's getting McGaughey? It definitely doesn't sound like Shurmur reached out for this guy on his own since McGaughey is from the Panthers.

Or didn't even tell Shurmur yet and just told McGaughey' to stand pat. You're coming to the Giants once we have our HC.


Or maybe Shurmur has his close guys (coordinators and a couple of assistants) but didn't have a complete staff at the time of his interview? It is one thing to say Gettleman is overstepping his boundary but it is another to let a qualified person go because he could get a job somewhere else. Remember, Marrone wanted a coach. I am pretty sure he interviewed him and told him he wanted to hire him. Then it got to Coughlin and Coughlin said no.

Things like this can be in an issue if there are egos involved but if everybody is following the same shared vision then there is no issue whatsoever. This "hire" was done as Gettleman proving his power. It was done to get the Giants that much closer to being a contender.
This "hire" WASN'T done  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2018 4:22 pm : link
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Has anyone else seen that ....  
BobA : 1/20/2018 4:52 pm : link
Rosas kicks appear to be too low at the line of scrimmage. Either too low a kicker or sets up too close. Either way is that the reason for his distance.
We had an earlier excellent thread on this  
Jay in Toronto : 1/20/2018 5:18 pm : link
the guy almost seems too good to be true


The thread that makes this (pinned) one a German - ( New Window )
Based on McGaughey’s resume, other (better) special teams  
Ivan15 : 1/20/2018 9:01 pm : link
Change coordinators like they change socks. Yet the Giants have kept the same (mediocre at best) special coordinator forever - until now.
The speculation on this board is wild  
TMS : 1/20/2018 9:06 pm : link
and entertaining as well. Some think that DG is going around his new HC and hiring and firing his new staff without telling him. Get real, think about it.
RE: We had an earlier excellent thread on this  
Del Shofner : 1/20/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13798080 Jay in Toronto said:
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the guy almost seems too good to be true
The thread that makes this (pinned) one a German - ( New Window )


wow - this new guy is a career special teams junkie! That is some resume - pretty much nothing but special teams.
About time..  
prdave73 : 1/21/2018 12:49 am : link
Can't believe it took so long.. smh
Don't Tell JPP about Quinn  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/21/2018 10:20 am : link
He may play with fireworks again.
Quinn  
Chuckstar : 1/22/2018 4:01 pm : link
One of the best "Mundane Teams" coordinators.
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