Following up initial @josephperson report of mutual interest, source tells @SportingNews that Thomas McGaughey expected to become new @Giants special teams coach. I'm told McGaughey was confident enough about getting the gig that he turned down an ST job elsewhere Per Alex Marvez
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst
http://www.panthers.com/team/coaches/thomas-mcgaughey-jr/6fb35dbe-f4a9-4c4d-8b27-e3042fde0a8c - ( New Window )
"We had a bad bottom roster and thats where ST guys come from"
"We don't draft well in late rounds"
"His units were up and down over the years"
"Yeah but remember how big STs played during the NFC Champ game in SF"
"How can you blame Quinn because his guys can't (fill in the blank)"
"NFL rules dont allow for enough practice time to focus on Special Teams"
anything I missed?
Hey Boss -- looks like you may have to dial back your worst fears
"We had a bad bottom roster and thats where ST guys come from"
"We don't draft well in late rounds"
"His units were up and down over the years"
"Yeah but remember how big STs played during the NFC Champ game in SF"
"How can you blame Quinn because his guys can't (fill in the blank)"
"NFL rules dont allow for enough practice time to focus on Special Teams"
anything I missed?
You forgot "He has no talent to work with." The Giants give pro bowl ST player Dwayne Harris 17 million and he comes to the Giants and his stats instantly decrease. We have the best LS in terms of making plays down the field. We have had several good ST players on this team during Quinn's tenure yet ST's were never a strength. The only players that seemed to perform well here were Josh Brown and Robbie Gould who were already established NFL kickers.
(Gulp)
"We had a bad bottom roster and thats where ST guys come from"
"We don't draft well in late rounds"
"His units were up and down over the years"
"Yeah but remember how big STs played during the NFC Champ game in SF"
"How can you blame Quinn because his guys can't (fill in the blank)"
"NFL rules dont allow for enough practice time to focus on Special Teams"
anything I missed?
Hmmm kinda like you with our QB...pot meet kettle...
I don't want to see Rosas released yet. Let's see how he does over the off-season. The Giants need to bring in a proven veteran to compete with him though. Take a look around the league and you will find several kickers who struggled early in their careers only to turn into good kickers. Rosas has a very talented leg and the Giants need a second kicker anyway for training camp.
hehehe -- Eric's gonna ban you
Lol
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hope so.
I don't want to see Rosas released yet. Let's see how he does over the off-season. The Giants need to bring in a proven veteran to compete with him though. Take a look around the league and you will find several kickers who struggled early in their careers only to turn into good kickers. Rosas has a very talented leg and the Giants need a second kicker anyway for training camp.
rosas has a big leg but terrible aim. i can't remember the giants having a worse kicker in my lifetime.. rookie HC who was OC on a losing team for 2 years, trading up to draft a third string QB in the 3rd round, going with a rookie kicker over a proven vet, drafting garbage at OL and insisting on NOT looking for upgrades.. this organization certainly had a curious approach to "win now" mode, with an aging MVP QB..
glad the ship has been righted but im still bitter about all of the braindead decisions these past 6 years.
Then Rosas misses a 33 yard field goal wide Left and we go scoreless.
This team deteriorated in all phases this past year.
At seasons end - this may be the worst Giants team I’ve ever seen.
Change from top to bottom is very much needed.
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giving Quinn a pass, and I remember who some of you are. Some of my favorite excuses...
"We had a bad bottom roster and thats where ST guys come from"
"We don't draft well in late rounds"
"His units were up and down over the years"
"Yeah but remember how big STs played during the NFC Champ game in SF"
"How can you blame Quinn because his guys can't (fill in the blank)"
"NFL rules dont allow for enough practice time to focus on Special Teams"
anything I missed?
Hmmm kinda like you with our QB...pot meet kettle...
how's that chucklehead?
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hope so.
I don't want to see Rosas released yet. Let's see how he does over the off-season. The Giants need to bring in a proven veteran to compete with him though. Take a look around the league and you will find several kickers who struggled early in their careers only to turn into good kickers. Rosas has a very talented leg and the Giants need a second kicker anyway for training camp.
rosas has a big leg but terrible aim. i can't remember the giants having a worse kicker in my lifetime.. rookie HC who was OC on a losing team for 2 years, trading up to draft a third string QB in the 3rd round, going with a rookie kicker over a proven vet, drafting garbage at OL and insisting on NOT looking for upgrades.. this organization certainly had a curious approach to "win now" mode, with an aging MVP QB..
glad the ship has been righted but im still bitter about all of the braindead decisions these past 6 years.
FFS they didn't trade up for Webb. This isn't the first time you've said this, either.
The final element of this disgraceful season that needs to be purged is Spags. Folks, if Spags sticks around after the embarrassing 16 games of half hearted defensive play his unit turned in this past season then you can be sure that Quinn gifted his blackmail photos to Spags. Nothing else could explain keeping around these idiots.
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hope so.
I don't want to see Rosas released yet. Let's see how he does over the off-season. The Giants need to bring in a proven veteran to compete with him though. Take a look around the league and you will find several kickers who struggled early in their careers only to turn into good kickers. Rosas has a very talented leg and the Giants need a second kicker anyway for training camp.
rosas has a big leg but terrible aim. i can't remember the giants having a worse kicker in my lifetime.. rookie HC who was OC on a losing team for 2 years, trading up to draft a third string QB in the 3rd round, going with a rookie kicker over a proven vet, drafting garbage at OL and insisting on NOT looking for upgrades.. this organization certainly had a curious approach to "win now" mode, with an aging MVP QB..
glad the ship has been righted but im still bitter about all of the braindead decisions these past 6 years.
FFS they didn't trade up for Webb. This isn't the first time you've said this, either.
The last time this was mentioned on a thread, not sure if it was the same guy but I’m assuming it was, I specifically asked him to provide details of what the Giants traded to move up for Webb. Of course he disappeared and never answered. I’m sure he will not respond here either and just keep regurgitating the same garbage in other threads.
He’s been a failure at his job. That’s the bottom line
Why do you think this? I’d love to hear how you can possibly defend Quinn and the job he’s done....
The school argument is pretty irrelevant for a kicker though. And you're completely wrong on the "no competition" thing. There was a very good kicking competition in camp.
What? Show me one other coach who had an extra point, field goal and punt all blocked in the same game? How about making an adjustment after the 1st of those?
I've never seen that happen in any game including High School and he should've been fired that night. He deserved all the criticism thrown his way. It's the big leagues and he got paid to coach. It wasn't Pee Wee football where he volunteered for helping out.
It was Mike Nugent, a veteran kicker, who was perfect in preseason and so was Rosas. The right decision was keeping the younger player with the bigger leg for kickoffs.
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hope so.
I don't want to see Rosas released yet. Let's see how he does over the off-season. The Giants need to bring in a proven veteran to compete with him though. Take a look around the league and you will find several kickers who struggled early in their careers only to turn into good kickers. Rosas has a very talented leg and the Giants need a second kicker anyway for training camp.
rosas has a big leg but terrible aim. i can't remember the giants having a worse kicker in my lifetime.. rookie HC who was OC on a losing team for 2 years, trading up to draft a third string QB in the 3rd round, going with a rookie kicker over a proven vet, drafting garbage at OL and insisting on NOT looking for upgrades.. this organization certainly had a curious approach to "win now" mode, with an aging MVP QB..
glad the ship has been righted but im still bitter about all of the braindead decisions these past 6 years.
FFS they didn't trade up for Webb. This isn't the first time you've said this, either.
The last time this was mentioned on a thread, not sure if it was the same guy but I’m assuming it was, I specifically asked him to provide details of what the Giants traded to move up for Webb. Of course he disappeared and never answered. I’m sure he will not respond here either and just keep regurgitating the same garbage in other threads.
so reese didn't trade up to get webb and i was mistaking that for the trade up to select ryan nassib a couple years back. my apologies, gents. still made zero sense to select him in the third with a franchise QB on the roster, and with glaring other needs all over the roster.
and yea, it wasn't me on the other thread who you prompted for details.
Come all without, come all within
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn
Come all without, come all within
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn
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They only signed any kind of competition for Rosas once camp already began, and had only leftover table scraps to choose from. Not exactly a proactive plan. And to retain Rosas after a lousy first year, you'd have to show me some evidence he was ever any good to begin with.
It was Mike Nugent, a veteran kicker, who was perfect in preseason and so was Rosas. The right decision was keeping the younger player with the bigger leg for kickoffs.
i disagree with this logic. IMO the correct move would have been to go with a veteran kicker. of course its no guarantee that nugent would have been better, but rosas had a terrible year.
...makes Tom Quinn's look like a comic book, or a horror show.
Take your choice.
No, Quinn has provided way too much garbage for us to watch.
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hope so.
I don't want to see Rosas released yet. Let's see how he does over the off-season. The Giants need to bring in a proven veteran to compete with him though. Take a look around the league and you will find several kickers who struggled early in their careers only to turn into good kickers. Rosas has a very talented leg and the Giants need a second kicker anyway for training camp.
rosas has a big leg but terrible aim. i can't remember the giants having a worse kicker in my lifetime.. rookie HC who was OC on a losing team for 2 years, trading up to draft a third string QB in the 3rd round, going with a rookie kicker over a proven vet, drafting garbage at OL and insisting on NOT looking for upgrades.. this organization certainly had a curious approach to "win now" mode, with an aging MVP QB..
glad the ship has been righted but im still bitter about all of the braindead decisions these past 6 years.
FFS they didn't trade up for Webb. This isn't the first time you've said this, either.
The last time this was mentioned on a thread, not sure if it was the same guy but I’m assuming it was, I specifically asked him to provide details of what the Giants traded to move up for Webb. Of course he disappeared and never answered. I’m sure he will not respond here either and just keep regurgitating the same garbage in other threads.
so reese didn't trade up to get webb and i was mistaking that for the trade up to select ryan nassib a couple years back. my apologies, gents. still made zero sense to select him in the third with a franchise QB on the roster, and with glaring other needs all over the roster.
and yea, it wasn't me on the other thread who you prompted for details.
A franchise QB on the roster? That's being way too kind to Geno Smith.
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takes way too much garbage from people on here.
No, Quinn has provided way too much garbage for us to watch.
The personal attacks on this site towards him have crossed some lines Eric. I don’t question the fact his units have been disappointing most years and he needs to move on as we need to make a change.
That said when he’s been given talent, they’ve performed. By and large a big chunk of the special teams roster has gotten worse the last 5-6 years too. People overlook that when viewing Reese’s draft failures.
If the barometer being applied to Quinn is applied to Spags, Spags not only didn’t deserve to get the interim tag or and interview but deserves a quick firing as well. His units have not only been embarrassing some years but also disgustingly undisciplined. He has shown an inability to adapt when the chips start falling and adjustment have to be made.
That's assuming he gets another NFL job. I don't expect him to get another job at least for a few years. He is likely headed back to college.
No he has not. Giants had some decent years under him. When the Giants brought in proven talent in guys like Weatherford and Feagles our punt game improved significantly and won us field position battles. With Dwayne Harris our punt and kick return yardage grew significantly and we had blocking schemes that were consistent.
Has there been more lapses than not recently? Yep. No doubt. But the problem isn’t just coaching. It’s bad or ineffective talent.
It wound up not mattering, but I really wasn't impressed by him at all and think the Giants would be well-served to look elsewhere for a kicker.
Brad Wing absolutely sucked this year and I'm not sold on him at all.
No he has not. Giants had some decent years under him. When the Giants brought in proven talent in guys like Weatherford and Feagles our punt game improved significantly and won us field position battles. With Dwayne Harris our punt and kick return yardage grew significantly and we had blocking schemes that were consistent.
Has there been more lapses than not recently? Yep. No doubt. But the problem isn’t just coaching. It’s bad or ineffective talent.
Weatherford had one good season here when you look at the stats. Wing went from a solid punter to dead last. Dwayne Harris was solid in his first year with the Giants and then in his next two he experienced his career worst numbers.
Something like this...
"We had a bad bottom roster and thats where ST guys come from"
"We don't draft well in late rounds"
"His units were up and down over the years"
"Yeah but remember how big STs played during the NFC Champ game in SF"
"How can you blame Quinn because his guys can't (fill in the blank)"
"NFL rules dont allow for enough practice time to focus on Special Teams"
anything I missed?
Apparently Sammo thinks I did miss some...
- Giants had some decent years under him
- When the Giants brought in proven talent in guys like Weatherford and Feagles our punt game improved significantly
- With Dwayne Harris our punt and kick return yardage grew significantly
-The problem isn’t just coaching. It’s bad or ineffective talent
- Giants had some decent years under him
- When the Giants brought in proven talent in guys like Weatherford and Feagles our punt game improved significantly
- With Dwayne Harris our punt and kick return yardage grew significantly
-The problem isn’t just coaching. It’s bad or ineffective talent
Coaching is the difference between needing proven or veteran talent to be effective and being able to develop players. You shouldn't have to spend free agent money just to have any kind of punt return success or have a good gunner on coverage. It also shows in the kicker situation. Why couldn't the coaching staff prepare Matt Dodge? Why are the young kickers who show up in camp getting cut here, then going to other teams and becoming solid players? I'm thinking of Boswell and McManus. And getting your kicks and punts blocked is absolutely preparation and coaching.
That said, I do think it's weird he kept his job as long as he did when so many other coaches over the years got sent on their way.
Nevermind, it was mentioned. I missed it in my first read through. Grrrr. No remove post or delete button.
Or didn't even tell Shurmur yet and just told McGaughey' to stand pat. You're coming to the Giants once we have our HC.
I’m sure Quinn personally instructed Rosas to kick his multiple kickoffs to start games out of bounds!
Both kickers killed this team in numerous games. Most of the blocks and misplays on specials came long after the team was dead with injuries and turmoil. It’s not Tom Quinn’s fault when a player simply cannot block a guy.
It’s called execution. Our players have been terrible at it and gotten worse the last few years. Quinn wasn’t being given much to work with the last few years.
I guess he had no photos of Gettleman.
Or didn't even tell Shurmur yet and just told McGaughey' to stand pat. You're coming to the Giants once we have our HC.
Or maybe Shurmur has his close guys (coordinators and a couple of assistants) but didn't have a complete staff at the time of his interview? It is one thing to say Gettleman is overstepping his boundary but it is another to let a qualified person go because he could get a job somewhere else. Remember, Marrone wanted a coach. I am pretty sure he interviewed him and told him he wanted to hire him. Then it got to Coughlin and Coughlin said no.
Things like this can be in an issue if there are egos involved but if everybody is following the same shared vision then there is no issue whatsoever. This "hire" was done as Gettleman proving his power. It was done to get the Giants that much closer to being a contender.
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wow - this new guy is a career special teams junkie! That is some resume - pretty much nothing but special teams.