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Myles Jack on Josh Rosen

Jarvis : 1/20/2018 11:36 pm
This was buried in Defenderdawg thread. It was in the Jacksonville section. Thought it was more Giants related.
Myles Jack on Josh Rosen - ( New Window )
I've spoken to  
Big Rick in FL : 1/20/2018 11:53 pm : link
Conor McDermott & Caleb Benenoch in the past few weeks about Rosen. Both of them couldn't have spoke more highly of him both on and off the field. They said he's definitely the leader of the team and is the first one in and last one out. They said the media story about him not wanting to play is complete bullshit. They also praised him on the field. Conor said he's one of the best players he's ever been on the field with. Benenoch said he's far and away the best player he's ever been on the field with. As a teammate and as an opponent. The thing that really stuck out though was how much they praised his leadership and how hard he was willing to work to get better. Those two are the reason that I have no worries about drafting Rosen at 2. Benenoch kept bringing up that it's ridiculous the media is spreading lies about him. He also kept bringing up how advanced he was on the field for being so young. He said look where guys like Luck, Rodgers and other top QBs were at 20 years old.
Multiple concussions  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/21/2018 12:13 am : link
Is a really, really bad thing. Doesn't matter how good you are as a player if you are susceptible to concussions. The more you have the more likely they become.
Rosen is gonna be a good one  
OBJXIII : 1/21/2018 12:20 am : link
he has too much natural NFL passing talent and intelligence to not succeed. Is his personality different and possibly misunderstood? Sure. Is he from a wealthy upbringing and that makes people question his entitlement or desire to play? Sure. But if you watch the tape of him throwing the ball, no one can deny the talent. Its not just "pretty good", its more like "exceptional to rare".

He's the....  
paesan98 : 1/21/2018 12:20 am : link
Justin Pugh of QBs. Way too much time unavailable due to injuries
RE: He's the....  
OBJXIII : 1/21/2018 12:37 am : link
In comment 13798254 paesan98 said:
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Justin Pugh of QBs. Way too much time unavailable due to injuries


We are going to have to accept that, odds are, our next franchise QB wont lead the league in active starts like Eli has. Its a rarity and unheard of.

Players like Big Ben, Luck, Rodgers, Stafford have all missed significant time during their careers.
RE: Rosen is gonna be a good one  
Stan in LA : 1/21/2018 12:39 am : link
In comment 13798253 OBJXIII said:
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he has too much natural NFL passing talent and intelligence to not succeed. Is his personality different and possibly misunderstood? Sure. Is he from a wealthy upbringing and that makes people question his entitlement or desire to play? Sure. But if you watch the tape of him throwing the ball, no one can deny the talent. Its not just "pretty good", its more like "exceptional to rare".

Eh, no. Fake news.
RE: Multiple concussions  
Stan in LA : 1/21/2018 12:40 am : link
In comment 13798252 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Is a really, really bad thing. Doesn't matter how good you are as a player if you are susceptible to concussions. The more you have the more likely they become.

Eh, no. Fake news. Disregard the post above. Replied to the wrong post.
This is the guy I want  
kelsto811 : 1/21/2018 12:45 am : link
He's gonna be great.
RE: RE: He's the....  
paesan98 : 1/21/2018 1:00 am : link
In comment 13798256 OBJXIII said:
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Justin Pugh of QBs. Way too much time unavailable due to injuries



We are going to have to accept that, odds are, our next franchise QB wont lead the league in active starts like Eli has. Its a rarity and unheard of.

Players like Big Ben, Luck, Rodgers, Stafford have all missed significant time during their careers.


Then you have no problem re-signing Pugh, correct?
Depends on the medicals  
Marty866b : 1/21/2018 1:09 am : link
Rosen is going to be thoroughly checked out by many doctors the next couple of months. I have no problem with him as our choice is our doctors deem the concussions not a problem. I don't believe the doctors will think that it's not. Time will tell.
If the Giants draft Rosen  
kelsto811 : 1/21/2018 1:15 am : link
They need to set up a daily class with Eli and teach him how to fall. Only half joking here.
Can somebody with real info clarify his injury history?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 3:41 am : link
I see that he missed half a season to a shoulder injury that required surgery and it looks like he played in 11 games this year.

People are starting to make him sound like a piece of dried tree branch and it doesn't make sense.
Can somebody with real info clarify his injury history?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 3:44 am : link
People are going nuts over this concussion thing but the only major issue I see is the shoulder issue that took him out for half a season.
Can somebody with real info clarify his injury history?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 3:40 am : link
I see that he missed half a season to a shoulder injury that required surgery and it looks like he played in 11 games this year.

People are starting to make him sound like a piece of dried tree branch and it doesn't make sense.
How many games has he missed to concussions?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 3:34 am : link
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Can somebody with real info clarify his injury history?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 3:41 am : link
I see that he missed half a season to a shoulder injury that required surgery and it looks like he played in 11 games this year.

People are starting to make him sound like a piece of dried tree branch and it doesn't make sense.
Thanks for sharing the article  
Peppers : 1/21/2018 4:10 am : link
And Rick thanks for sharing that story.

I think Josh Rosen is the best QB in this draft. He has that Brady/Rodgers arrogance/confidence. And heís got what it takes to be special. I think heíll be our pick.
How many games has he missed to concussions?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 3:34 am : link
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Can somebody with real info clarify his injury history?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 3:42 am : link
I see that he missed half a season to a shoulder injury that required surgery and it looks like he played in 11 games this year.

People are starting to make him sound like a piece of dried tree branch and it doesn't make sense.
RE: RE: RE: He's the....  
Diver_Down : 1/21/2018 6:14 am : link
In comment 13798266 paesan98 said:
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Justin Pugh of QBs. Way too much time unavailable due to injuries



We are going to have to accept that, odds are, our next franchise QB wont lead the league in active starts like Eli has. Its a rarity and unheard of.

Players like Big Ben, Luck, Rodgers, Stafford have all missed significant time during their careers.



Then you have no problem re-signing Pugh, correct?


From all projections, Rosen will be an exceptional player. He is worth the risk if he misses time due to further concussions. Equivocating Pugh in the same discussion as exceptional talent is being intellectually dishonest. Pugh was a reach for a mid-1st round pick. We are talking about the no. 2 pick.
Do you think  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/21/2018 7:58 am : link
for a minute that Sam Darnold has not suffered concussions at some point? Baker Mayfield? Hell, Eli has undoubtedly suffered several concussions in his career. In the past, players just didn't report them. I am all in on Rosen.
Nomad  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/21/2018 8:09 am : link
Why would Rosen report concussions and the other players that you mention not report them? Not to mention there are outward signs of concussions that are reported by medical staff.
He missed  
twostepgiants : 1/21/2018 8:13 am : link
One game due to the first concussion

He was pulled in the second half of a game as ďprecautionĒ due to a second concussion and winded up missing the Cactus Bowl as he remained in concussion protocol.
Shoulder injury seems much ado about nothing  
twostepgiants : 1/21/2018 8:15 am : link
He missed 6 games the year before with the shoulder that wind up being nothing. He had ďsurgeryĒ on it and they found it was basically like a groin pull but in his shoulder. No long term effects at all.
RE: Nomad  
BigBlueShock : 1/21/2018 8:17 am : link
In comment 13798314 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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Why would Rosen report concussions and the other players that you mention not report them? Not to mention there are outward signs of concussions that are reported by medical staff.

Didnít Tom Brady make a comment recently that heís suuffered multiple concussions? Iím not trying to mimize concussions but I think they are much more common than people think and not always diagnosed or made public.
RE: RE: RE: RE: He's the....  
paesan98 : 1/21/2018 8:20 am : link
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Justin Pugh of QBs. Way too much time unavailable due to injuries



We are going to have to accept that, odds are, our next franchise QB wont lead the league in active starts like Eli has. Its a rarity and unheard of.

Players like Big Ben, Luck, Rodgers, Stafford have all missed significant time during their careers.



Then you have no problem re-signing Pugh, correct?



From all projections, Rosen will be an exceptional player. He is worth the risk if he misses time due to further concussions. Equivocating Pugh in the same discussion as exceptional talent is being intellectually dishonest. Pugh was a reach for a mid-1st round pick. We are talking about the no. 2 pick.


You are missing my point. I am not factoring talent in at all because we don't know how Rosen will perform at the next level. I'm looking solely at availability. Rosen did not finish/play in 12 of his last 20 games. The biggest ability is availability- that's what is always being harped on. Rosen may be the best thing since sliced bread, but if he's not on the field it won't help us. And for the record, I have no preference for any of the QBs because I, like 99.9% of you, are not qualified to make a judgment on which QB would be best for the Giants and in the NFL. I leave that to the talent evaluators on the team.
Yeah but....  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/21/2018 8:21 am : link
[quote]Didnít Tom Brady make a comment recently that heís suuffered multiple concussions? Iím not trying to mimize concussions but I think they are much more common than people think and not always diagnosed or made public./[quote]

This argument makes no sense. If he "reports" them while others don't, will he continue to "report" them in the NFL? Or do you think he will suddenly decide "reporting" concussions isn't a good idea?
RE: Yeah but....  
BigBlueShock : 1/21/2018 8:25 am : link
In comment 13798322 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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[quote]Didnít Tom Brady make a comment recently that heís suuffered multiple concussions? Iím not trying to mimize concussions but I think they are much more common than people think and not always diagnosed or made public./[quote]

This argument makes no sense. If he "reports" them while others don't, will he continue to "report" them in the NFL? Or do you think he will suddenly decide "reporting" concussions isn't a good idea?

Wtfvare you talking about? Heís ďreportingĒ them? So when he gets hit, he walks to the sideline and says ďhey coach, I just got a concussionĒ? Thatís what youíre saying? You really think thatís how it works?



Rosen would be my pick at #2. For simple reason that he  
Jimmy Googs : 1/21/2018 8:38 am : link
is the most talented QB on the board.

The concussions are what they are. If that is what causes him to "bust" then I would rather that being the reason versus picking another QB on the board that has positional flaws that cause him to bust.

Jay Cutler  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/21/2018 8:45 am : link
2.0
Passing on Josh Rosen  
Chris L. : 1/21/2018 9:07 am : link
or whichever of three QB's the Giants have rated the highest when they pick #2 would be a mistake this franchise would regret for a long, long time.
RE: Jay Cutler  
Mr. Bungle : 1/21/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 13798346 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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2.0

In no way, shape, or form.
Shock  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/21/2018 9:14 am : link
I was referencing Nomads post about reporting them, which you seemed to support with your post about Brady.
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for a minute that Sam Darnold has not suffered concussions at some point? Baker Mayfield? Hell, Eli has undoubtedly suffered several concussions in his career. In the past, players just didn't report them. I am all in on Rosen.
RE: Jay Cutler  
cokeduplt : 1/21/2018 9:15 am : link
In comment 13798346 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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2.0


I hate these BS dismissive remarks. I guess u heard he had a bad attitude which is unfounded at this point equals must be cutler. No need for research or anything.
I a feeling those who pass on Rosen  
GiantTuff1 : 1/21/2018 9:16 am : link
will have to answer the same questions those who passed on Rodgers did in 2005.

It seems obvious the guy can play.
RE: RE: Jay Cutler  
GiantTuff1 : 1/21/2018 9:19 am : link
In comment 13798387 cokeduplt said:
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I hate these BS dismissive remarks. I guess u heard he had a bad attitude which is unfounded at this point equals must be cutler. No need for research or anything.


Could not be more incorrect.

Cutler has a lethargy and a lack of want-to... That is not the case with Rosen, and IMO that's what separates the greats from the also-rans.

Key traits are intelligence married with intense passion to succeed and be the best. Nobody has ever felt that from Cutler, who is just happy to be middling and collect a paycheck. Rosen has these x-factors.
RE: Passing on Josh Rosen  
Blue21 : 1/21/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13798370 Chris L. said:
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or whichever of three QB's the Giants have rated the highest when they pick #2 would be a mistake this franchise would regret for a long, long time.



I agree.
RE: Can somebody with real info clarify his injury history?  
ryanmkeane : 1/21/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 13798285 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I see that he missed half a season to a shoulder injury that required surgery and it looks like he played in 11 games this year.

People are starting to make him sound like a piece of dried tree branch and it doesn't make sense.

The injury stuff with Rosen is overblown in my opinion. The concussions are a bit concerning, but itís not like the guy is a running quarterback and just takes off and is reckless with his body. Heís not brittle or anything like that. His build is certainly slighter than Darnold or Allen. But I think the injury stuff with Rosen is just people using an excuse not to draft him.
I canít get past the concussion history  
RobCarpenter : 1/21/2018 9:53 am : link
Too much of a risk to draft.
No Question Rosen has the tools BUT  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/21/2018 9:58 am : link
He is a precision passer ans throws a perfect spiral like Kerry Collins and can throw into tight spaces. Unfortunately, he is concussion prone and that is a BIG RED FLAG in the NFL. He will not play long in the NFL so why on earth would you take him as your #1 pick. His health issues do not make him the highest graded player on the draft board , and that is the guy you take whether he is a QB or not. If Pat Shurmur is really our next coach he could do more with a healthy Davis Webb then he did with Case Kennum, and we don't need another QB and in particular one who is a single devastating hit away from hanging it up.
Rosen  
Breeze_94 : 1/21/2018 10:27 am : link
Is one of those guys weíll know a lot more about after the combine-specifically the medical examinations. That is usually when stuff leaks out like the Jay Ajayi knee issue or Jonathan Allen and his shoulder last year.
Does  
Breeze_94 : 1/21/2018 10:29 am : link
Anyone know why he wears the big bulky knee brace. I know some QBís opt to wear one, but I wonder if there is a reason why Josh Rosen wears his. He played without it his freshman year and looked way more mobile back then.
I would have liked to see him  
mdc1 : 1/21/2018 11:12 am : link
more against very tough defenses that would get after him more to assess mobility and decision making. Guess we will find out soon what the browns and giants think about him.
RE: No Question Rosen has the tools BUT  
Jimmy Googs : 1/21/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13798445 Alwaysblue22 said:
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He is a precision passer ans throws a perfect spiral like Kerry Collins and can throw into tight spaces. Unfortunately, he is concussion prone and that is a BIG RED FLAG in the NFL. He will not play long in the NFL so why on earth would you take him as your #1 pick. His health issues do not make him the highest graded player on the draft board , and that is the guy you take whether he is a QB or not. If Pat Shurmur is really our next coach he could do more with a healthy Davis Webb then he did with Case Kennum, and we don't need another QB and in particular one who is a single devastating hit away from hanging it up.


This is simply an awful post.

First you presume you know that Rosen's NFL career will be short. Then you come to the conclusion somehow that you know Webb will be better than a Case Keenum. Then you indicate Webb is all we need yet he has never taken an NFL snap. And finally you suggest that a devastating hit to Rosen would be different than a devastating hit to anyone.

Bravo for being the worst poster I have seen in a while. and that's sayin' something...
I'd  
AcidTest : 1/21/2018 2:39 pm : link
have no qualms aout Rosen if it weren't for his concussions. But if the Giants think it's not an issue, then I will of course trust their judgement.

Rosen is not Cutler.
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