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Which Giants QB Scenario Do You Prefer...

M.S. : 1/21/2018 11:20 am
...and why?

All the information available is listed below. There is no other information about the Giants over the next three seasons.

Scenario One:
Giants do not draft a QB in 2018 and decide to go with Eli Manning for the next three seasons with the following results:

2018: Giants make playoffs (10-6) but do not reach the Super Bowl;
2019: Giants make playoffs (10-6) but do not reach the Super Bowl;
2020: Giants Make playoffs (10-6) but do not reach Super Bowl (Eli retires at end of season).

Scenario Two:
Giants draft a QB at #2 in 2018, who starts from Day One. Eli Manning is traded for a late round draft choice. Newly drafted QB leads the Giants for next three seasons with the following results:

2018: Giants miss playoffs at 6-10;
2019: Giants miss playoffs at 8-8;
2020: Giants make the playoffs at 10-6 but do not reach the Super Bowl.

(3-Year QB starter is also slated to start in Season Four -- 2021).

Scenario One or Scenario Two... which do you prefer?

Thanks in advance.
What kind of QB  
mainiac : 1/21/2018 11:26 am : link
do you end up with in scenario #2? If he's the next GUY then maybe go with 2.
Here's mine  
Jay in Toronto : 1/21/2018 11:29 am : link
2018 Eli Starts, Webb as Back-up 9-7 don't make playoffs. Giants get some good athletes through 2018 draft picks

2019 Webb starts, Eli traded or agrees to mentor as back-up 9-7

2020 Webb starts 11-5 NFC Champion
If the QB is a young Eli or better scenario 2, if not scenario 1  
wgenesis123 : 1/21/2018 11:32 am : link
The GM however will not get this option. He will not know what he is going to get from a young QB. He also will not really know what he will get from Eli. He has to listen to scouts, look at film, and make an educated projection and we have to live with it. Better hope he is a smart dude,
RE: What kind of QB  
M.S. : 1/21/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13798544 mainiac said:
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do you end up with in scenario #2? If he's the next GUY then maybe go with 2.

That's either the beauty or stupidity of my post. There's no other information to go on... just the actual record of the team under two QB scenarios. But please note that under Scenario Two the 2018 Drafted QB has started for three years and is slated to start in his fourth year, so in some way you can think about him as the "Guy." But whether he is the "Guy" to win a Super Bowl is unknown. All the knowable facts are contained in the two scenarios.
Scenario 2  
Jay on the Island : 1/21/2018 11:34 am : link
We have our QB of the future and are coming off a 10-6 season.
my hope  
Pep22 : 1/21/2018 11:44 am : link
1 Eli retires or approves a trade

2 they ultimately have a conviction about one of the three QBs in this draft (I am including Allen b/c I think he will elevate into a top 5 pick)
Shurmur says he can do for Webb what he is doing for Case Keenum  
JohnB : 1/21/2018 11:46 am : link
That is my biggest hope and they don't have to use the #2 pick on a QB, investing it elsewhere like OL, Rb or maybe LB or trading it for more picks.
Scenario 1 assumes Webb is the heir apparent I guess?  
Jimmy Googs : 1/21/2018 11:50 am : link
Because not picking a QB in any of the next 3 years seems kind of ridiculous...
Until Eli has some talent to throw to  
Capt. : 1/21/2018 12:19 pm : link
A line to block for him and a running back that can take some pressure off the passing game, I would not get rid of him. Agreed, he's not in his prime, but I think his "football smarts" and his ability to read defenses give the Gmen the best chance to win IF they can put some talent around him.
2 problems  
twostepgiants : 1/21/2018 12:26 pm : link
How often do you see teams have same record for 3 straight years?

And how often do you see steady and consistent progress.

Everybody would take scenario B.

You are leaving two 10-6 teams off but one with a steadily progressing #2 pick QB locked up and 1 in depseperate need of a QB. Its a no brainer to pick scenario B.

The real question is that some thing Eli could still win a super Bowl with te right moves in the next 4 seasons.
Would you take 1 Super Bowl title in the next 4 years but then Eli retires and you go to QB hell or would you take a franchise QB that sets you up for a 10 year run (minus 1-2 development years and 1-2 years at end)?
RE: Until Eli has some talent to throw to  
ajr2456 : 1/21/2018 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13798611 Capt. said:
Quote:
A line to block for him and a running back that can take some pressure off the passing game, I would not get rid of him. Agreed, he's not in his prime, but I think his "football smarts" and his ability to read defenses give the Gmen the best chance to win IF they can put some talent around him.


So basically a perfect situation.
Scenario 2  
ajr2456 : 1/21/2018 12:34 pm : link
Over keeping Eli for three more years
In  
Gman11 : 1/21/2018 12:37 pm : link
Scenario 1 - Apparently, Webb is not an option for the future or he would have taken over in year 3. So, what you're looking at are good regular seasons following by a need for a QB and you are in the lower part of round 1 thereby needing to trade assets to move up in the draft and get a QB.

Scenario 2 - We have to suffer through a couple of mediocre seasons, but there is steady improvement and the team already has its QB. Therefore, they can use the draft to get talent at other positions for a title run.

I take Scenario 2
I would prefer  
tomjgiant : 1/21/2018 12:59 pm : link
to make the playoffs for the next three years as opposed to making the playoffs one time in the next three years.That was an easy choice.
How is the first scenario possible  
Matt M. : 1/21/2018 1:04 pm : link
when Eli has 2 seasons left on his deal?
RE: RE: Until Eli has some talent to throw to  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/21/2018 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13798623 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 13798611 Capt. said:


Quote:


A line to block for him and a running back that can take some pressure off the passing game, I would not get rid of him. Agreed, he's not in his prime, but I think his "football smarts" and his ability to read defenses give the Gmen the best chance to win IF they can put some talent around him.



So basically a perfect situation.

Or, said another way - exactly what they'd also need to give a young QB in order for him to be successful, except that the young QB would cost about $15MM less than Eli.

I couldn't even get through the OP when it implied a contract extension for Eli.
Scenario #3  
TheMick7 : 1/21/2018 2:12 pm : link
Eli starts, Rosen,Darnold or perhaps Allen are drafted as the QB in waiting, This is how I believe it will actually go down!
How about this???  
EricJ : 1/21/2018 2:29 pm : link
we manage the situation the same way we did with Eli...
We draft a guy with the 2nd pick. Then, half way through the season when it becomes obvious that we are not a championship team, we hand the keys over to the rookie.

Shit, it is not as if Eli has been playing like a top QB in the league over the past few years. What exactly are we afraid of? We were the worst offense in the league this past season.
You either commit  
Doomster : 1/21/2018 4:26 pm : link
to Eli and don't draft a qb, or you cut Eli and start the rebuild with a qb for our first pick.....

The 10M saved(in 2018 and 2019) cutting Eli helps to rebuild the OL........

Keeping Eli and drafting a qb, costs us cap money and puts our #1 pick on the bench....

Eli can be effective if he has an OL and some semblance of a running game......but this process of rebuilding the OL has been going on for 6 years with no results.....expecting Gettleman to pull one out of his butt in one year is unrealistic...
There is no QB coming out  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/21/2018 8:26 pm : link
Who can start day one, except for Baker Mayfield who the Giants will not select because they have a 6'5" QB named Davis Webb behind Eli. Drafting a QB and starting him is surrendering the season. This team still has a core of a defense that can take it a long way. There is no need to start over. Fix the holes that Reese neglected and the Giants can win the division next season.
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