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Shurmur wants Del Rio

Hampton27 : 1/21/2018 11:50 am
as our DC, according to ESPN Radio this morning.
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RE: Pardon the stupid question  
robbieballs2003 : 1/21/2018 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13798771 BestFeature said:
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But if the Raiders are subsidizing Del Rio for $6 Million for 3 years and it's unlikely that a guy with the HC experience he has is staying beyond 3 years and it's unlikely that a DC is going to be paid more than $6 Million, can we get away with no paying anything? I know it doesn't matter from a salary cap standpoint, but it would be a nice selling point to Mara.


There might be a minimum like with players. But that is just an assumption.
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arcarsenal : 1/21/2018 2:22 pm : link
The OC hire will matter to me slightly less than the DC hire - Shurmur will have his fingerprints all over the offense and he's proven he knows how to run one.

I realize we just did this with McAdoo but McAdoo had less of a proven track record as a coordinator before he was promoted and I think Shurmur is a far better football coach.
Duce Staley  
XBRONX : 1/21/2018 2:27 pm : link
No rookie OC please.
He'd  
AcidTest : 1/21/2018 2:31 pm : link
be a great choice.
RE: Pardon the stupid question  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13798771 BestFeature said:
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But if the Raiders are subsidizing Del Rio for $6 Million for 3 years and it's unlikely that a guy with the HC experience he has is staying beyond 3 years and it's unlikely that a DC is going to be paid more than $6 Million, can we get away with no paying anything? I know it doesn't matter from a salary cap standpoint, but it would be a nice selling point to Mara.


Why would someone work for free? Yes, he's being paid out from his raiders contract, but he'd still be working here.

Coaches have agents too.
RE: RE: Pardon the stupid question  
robbieballs2003 : 1/21/2018 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13798802 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13798771 BestFeature said:


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But if the Raiders are subsidizing Del Rio for $6 Million for 3 years and it's unlikely that a guy with the HC experience he has is staying beyond 3 years and it's unlikely that a DC is going to be paid more than $6 Million, can we get away with no paying anything? I know it doesn't matter from a salary cap standpoint, but it would be a nice selling point to Mara.



Why would someone work for free? Yes, he's being paid out from his raiders contract, but he'd still be working here.

Coaches have agents too.


Huh? No matter what, Del Rio is getting paid $6 million per year over the next 3 years. Why does it matter who is paying him? How does that affect his agent?
RE: RE: Del Rio story...  
Vanzetti : 1/21/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13798670 Miami_JintsFan said:
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In comment 13798607 Jimmy Googs said:


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Jack Del Rio and his wife sat across from my row in first class cabin from JAX to ATL about 10 years ago.

Couple of young kids walked up to front of plane and asked him for his autograph. Del Rio looked perturbed and told the kids he was busy and that he would sign it in the airport after they get off the plane.

Del Rio gets off the plane with the rest of our first class cabin and walks on his merry way down the terminal. The kids presumably deplane minutes later and never see him again.

Not for nothing, but that was a dick move...





If you told this story about Jerry Jones or Zeke Elliot, all of BBI would be denouncing him. But because Giants might hire JDR suddenly being a dick to some klids is just a matter of privacy.
RE: RE: RE: Pardon the stupid question  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13798815 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13798802 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13798771 BestFeature said:


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But if the Raiders are subsidizing Del Rio for $6 Million for 3 years and it's unlikely that a guy with the HC experience he has is staying beyond 3 years and it's unlikely that a DC is going to be paid more than $6 Million, can we get away with no paying anything? I know it doesn't matter from a salary cap standpoint, but it would be a nice selling point to Mara.



Why would someone work for free? Yes, he's being paid out from his raiders contract, but he'd still be working here.

Coaches have agents too.



Huh? No matter what, Del Rio is getting paid $6 million per year over the next 3 years. Why does it matter who is paying him? How does that affect his agent?


I get that he's being paid by oakland, but how does it work that any money he makes here is only an offset of that money rather than a separate contract? That doesn't make sense to me.
RE: RE: gidie  
paesan98 : 1/21/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13798618 Jon in NYC said:
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we'll see... Spags' guys except the one they supposedly didn't want to leave haven't left.



Have they stayed because they want to stay, or have they stayed because no body wants them?


What would the odds be of nobody wanting any of them (other than Graham)? Even considering the shit show we were subjected to this past season, I think the offense was clearly the lesser of the two units, and most of those guys got new jobs. Hell, even McAdoo is getting interviews. While they were told by management that they were free to explore other options, that's not really the same as being told they were out. Knowing that Spags and Shurmur have a history together, they may have felt that there was a chance they would be retained.
RE: RE: Pardon the stupid question  
BestFeature : 1/21/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13798802 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13798771 BestFeature said:


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But if the Raiders are subsidizing Del Rio for $6 Million for 3 years and it's unlikely that a guy with the HC experience he has is staying beyond 3 years and it's unlikely that a DC is going to be paid more than $6 Million, can we get away with no paying anything? I know it doesn't matter from a salary cap standpoint, but it would be a nice selling point to Mara.



Why would someone work for free? Yes, he's being paid out from his raiders contract, but he'd still be working here.

Coaches have agents too.


Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that he was going to make the same $6 million no matter what. So if Mara pays him 3 million, he will get 3 million from the Raiders. Maybe I misunderstood it. But if that's the case then why would Mara pay him since it's coming from the Raiders anyway? But again, maybe I misunderstood.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Pardon the stupid question  
robbieballs2003 : 1/21/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13798823 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13798802 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13798771 BestFeature said:


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But if the Raiders are subsidizing Del Rio for $6 Million for 3 years and it's unlikely that a guy with the HC experience he has is staying beyond 3 years and it's unlikely that a DC is going to be paid more than $6 Million, can we get away with no paying anything? I know it doesn't matter from a salary cap standpoint, but it would be a nice selling point to Mara.



Why would someone work for free? Yes, he's being paid out from his raiders contract, but he'd still be working here.

Coaches have agents too.



Huh? No matter what, Del Rio is getting paid $6 million per year over the next 3 years. Why does it matter who is paying him? How does that affect his agent?



I get that he's being paid by oakland, but how does it work that any money he makes here is only an offset of that money rather than a separate contract? That doesn't make sense to me.


ESPN said any money he makes will offset the Oakland salary so why would any team pay him a lot when they don't have to? It is like Revis this year. He was getting paid a ton by the Jets and signed for peanuts with no guaranteed money with KC.
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RE: RE: RE: Pardon the stupid question  
BestFeature : 1/21/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13798815 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13798771 BestFeature said:


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But if the Raiders are subsidizing Del Rio for $6 Million for 3 years and it's unlikely that a guy with the HC experience he has is staying beyond 3 years and it's unlikely that a DC is going to be paid more than $6 Million, can we get away with no paying anything? I know it doesn't matter from a salary cap standpoint, but it would be a nice selling point to Mara.



Why would someone work for free? Yes, he's being paid out from his raiders contract, but he'd still be working here.

Coaches have agents too.



Huh? No matter what, Del Rio is getting paid $6 million per year over the next 3 years. Why does it matter who is paying him? How does that affect his agent?


It doesn't. It affects Mara and Tisch.
low balling the salary  
fkap : 1/21/2018 3:43 pm : link
would be a dick move sportsmanship. The Maras like to play nice within the league, so they're not likely to stick it to another team. They'll give a fair contract.

However, they won't have to get in a bidding war.
Del Rio would be my first choice.  
carpoon : 1/21/2018 3:45 pm : link
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Del Rio tweeted a lot  
shyster : 1/21/2018 4:05 pm : link
during the 2017 season and it's open viewing to get a sense of his personality.

He's got a California touchy/feely vibe, more rah-rah than x's and o's.

One of his retweets:

"Jon Gordon‏Verified account @JonGordon11

Talking to a mental coach I said: The real key to help your players is your connection and belief in them. It's not strategy. It's love."

I hope he'll have good position coaches for the strategy.
I was leading the charge with the disappointment  
Chris684 : 1/21/2018 4:07 pm : link
Over Spags remaining.

So let me say I would love to stand corrected. Del Rio would be fantastic.
RE: RE: Pardon the stupid question  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/21/2018 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13798802 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13798771 BestFeature said:


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But if the Raiders are subsidizing Del Rio for $6 Million for 3 years and it's unlikely that a guy with the HC experience he has is staying beyond 3 years and it's unlikely that a DC is going to be paid more than $6 Million, can we get away with no paying anything? I know it doesn't matter from a salary cap standpoint, but it would be a nice selling point to Mara.



Why would someone work for free? Yes, he's being paid out from his raiders contract, but he'd still be working here.

Coaches have agents too.


Hes not working for free. He wont get the amount hes getting from the Raiders. There is almost always offset languange in coaches contracts that gives teams some relief if they get another job. So whatever he makes as an NFL assistant coach, that amount is discounted and not paid by Oakland. Oakland will be on the hook minus what he gets from the Giants. Maybe he willingly takes a below market contract to screw the Raiders. Especially if he feels he was scapegoated for the injuries or shoved out the door for Chucky. Why not do his new bosses a solid by taking a below market deal.
My understanding of how it works with the Oakland contract:  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/21/2018 4:48 pm : link
First of all, the terms of his extension arent public, so we dont know for sure what the guarantees are or how long they last. Second, while its true that his new salary will be an offset against the guarantee, its unusual for the hiring club to take full advantage. Sometimes, a coach with a big guarantee will take a one-year consulting gig and work for free/cheap; but I think the protocol with full-time jobs like coordinator is to let the market dictate the price. I cant prove that, but I also cant think of an example of a team getting a big-name coordinator at a crazy bargain price because he was still being paid by his old club.

I think the point of the he wont be doing it for the money line is that Del Rio doesnt need to work to get paid, not that money wont be a factor if he has to choose between multiple offers.
me likey as well  
UESBLUE : 1/21/2018 5:11 pm : link
tho would feel a bit badly for Spags being offered step down LB job. Oh well change is change i guess...
Graziano didn't say it  
Modus Operandi : 1/21/2018 5:27 pm : link
Someone else said it.
May have been mentioned in a post but didn't see it.....  
Tom [Giants fan] : 1/21/2018 6:25 pm : link
I saw Navarro Bowman may want to come with Del Rio or Del Rio will want to bring in Bowman.
RE: May have been mentioned in a post but didn't see it.....  
jeff57 : 1/21/2018 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13799537 Tom [Giants fan] said:
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I saw Navarro Bowman may want to come with Del Rio or Del Rio will want to bring in Bowman.


Would love that as long as hes healthy.
Good potential DC...  
GFAN52 : 1/21/2018 7:05 pm : link
Spags lost control over the defense this season. We need a fresh start.
Del Rio  
Pete in MD : 1/21/2018 7:46 pm : link
has a few local guys he could recruit from his Oakland staff in Rob Moore (Hempstead), Mike Tice (Islip), and Bernie Parmalee (Jersey City.) They are all offensive coaches so Shurmur would have to agree, of course.
RE: RE: Del Rio story...  
ShocknAwe80 : 1/21/2018 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13798635 Bleedin Blue said:
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In comment 13798607 Jimmy Googs said:


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Jack Del Rio and his wife sat across from my row in first class cabin from JAX to ATL about 10 years ago.

Couple of young kids walked up to front of plane and asked him for his autograph. Del Rio looked perturbed and told the kids he was busy and that he would sign it in the airport after they get off the plane.

Del Rio gets off the plane with the rest of our first class cabin and walks on his merry way down the terminal. The kids presumably deplane minutes later and never see him again.

Not for nothing, but that was a dick move...



I have a good DelRio story. My friend's son was UDFA Fb for the Jaguars, the kid makes it to the final cut down, he has his knee blown out in practice, to this day DelRio has remained friends with my friend and his son.


yeah... I'm not a celebrity, and I don't want to be bothered by anyone on a flight either... I have no idea why that was even posted as a stpry. This is a class guy and I would be very happy with him as our DC
RE: May have been mentioned in a post but didn't see it.....  
FirstBallotEli : 1/21/2018 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13799537 Tom [Giants fan] said:
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I saw Navarro Bowman may want to come with Del Rio or Del Rio will want to bring in Bowman.


I'd take a chance on him, I really want Bradham from the eagle, would be sick if we could get both
Shurmur might rethink this  
5BowlsSoon : 1/21/2018 9:30 pm : link
After this game, Playing against Philly defense twice a year might be more than he wants to deal with.
RE: Shurmur might rethink this  
Simms11 : 1/21/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13800114 5BowlsSoon said:
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After this game, Playing against Philly defense twice a year might be more than he wants to deal with.


Really?! The Giants nearly beat them twice this year. Should have beat them the first game.

Hate the Eagles with vigor! Anyway, Im sure Shurmer knows these players and can come up with a plan to beat them. He knows the NFC East pretty well.
RE: Shurmur might rethink this  
The_Boss : 1/21/2018 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13800114 5BowlsSoon said:
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After this game, Playing against Philly defense twice a year might be more than he wants to deal with.


Sadly Im thinking tonight wont be the last ass kicking Shurmur will experience at the hands of the fucking Eagles. He and Gettleman have quite a talent gap to try and narrow; especially if Wentz becomes the perennial mvp candidate it appears he will.
RE: Has there any rumors about who he is interested in  
DonQuixote : 1/21/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13798588 Jay on the Island said:
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as OC? I looked at the current Vikings coaching staff and I don't see any likely possibilities.


He should grab the Vikings QB coach ... great resume ... but I think the Vikings will hire him.
RE: RE: Shurmur might rethink this  
BestFeature : 1/21/2018 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13800255 The_Boss said:
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After this game, Playing against Philly defense twice a year might be more than he wants to deal with.



Sadly Im thinking tonight wont be the last ass kicking Shurmur will experience at the hands of the fucking Eagles. He and Gettleman have quite a talent gap to try and narrow; especially if Wentz becomes the perennial mvp candidate it appears he will.


One reason we need to get a franchise QB.
It's incredibly difficult to be a consistent franchise.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 11:12 pm : link
We don't need to play the outdated "they're gonna be a force for a long time" card. It's a year to year league with the way contracts and injuries define the balance of power in the NFL.
RE: It's incredibly difficult to be a consistent franchise.  
BestFeature : 1/21/2018 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13800342 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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We don't need to play the outdated "they're gonna be a force for a long time" card. It's a year to year league with the way contracts and injuries define the balance of power in the NFL.


Last year people thought the Raiders would be a force for a long time and that Derek Carr will be the next great QB.
Del Rio  
RetroJint : 1/21/2018 11:23 pm : link
is an upgrade over Spagnuolo, who put on a floor show this season. He got away with it. Nothing was ever reported because hes kissed the right asses in the media, and it was way too much fun for them to piss on McAdoo, instead.

That said, Del Rio is a formulaic coordinator , who relies heavily on four men to generate a pass rush . He isnt an aggressive , pressures-oriented coach. Better find him a pass rusher.
RE: It's incredibly difficult to be a consistent franchise.  
The_Boss : 1/21/2018 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13800342 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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We don't need to play the outdated "they're gonna be a force for a long time" card. It's a year to year league with the way contracts and injuries define the balance of power in the NFL.


The consistent teams are generally the ones with elite, mvp type qbs. Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, etc. NYG fandom aside, its pretty obvious Wentz is approaching that sort of level. Hell, he was likely winning mvp this year before getting hurt. And if he does indeed become that sort of player, the NYG, Dallas, and Redskins essentially become everyone in the AFC and NFC North when Rodgers and Ben are healthy. And that is fighting for 2nd place. For me, this is the #1 reason why Im qb or bust in the draft. Wentz isnt going anywhere and Roseman will put a good team around him. The NYG must respond.
RE: RE: It's incredibly difficult to be a consistent franchise.  
BestFeature : 1/21/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13800359 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13800342 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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We don't need to play the outdated "they're gonna be a force for a long time" card. It's a year to year league with the way contracts and injuries define the balance of power in the NFL.



The consistent teams are generally the ones with elite, mvp type qbs. Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, etc. NYG fandom aside, its pretty obvious Wentz is approaching that sort of level. Hell, he was likely winning mvp this year before getting hurt. And if he does indeed become that sort of player, the NYG, Dallas, and Redskins essentially become everyone in the AFC and NFC North when Rodgers and Ben are healthy. And that is fighting for 2nd place. For me, this is the #1 reason why Im qb or bust in the draft. Wentz isnt going anywhere and Roseman will put a good team around him. The NYG must respond.


Meanwhile people are saying we should draft Nelson with a straight face.
RE: RE: It's incredibly difficult to be a consistent franchise.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13800359 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13800342 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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We don't need to play the outdated "they're gonna be a force for a long time" card. It's a year to year league with the way contracts and injuries define the balance of power in the NFL.



The consistent teams are generally the ones with elite, mvp type qbs. Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, etc. NYG fandom aside, its pretty obvious Wentz is approaching that sort of level. Hell, he was likely winning mvp this year before getting hurt. And if he does indeed become that sort of player, the NYG, Dallas, and Redskins essentially become everyone in the AFC and NFC North when Rodgers and Ben are healthy. And that is fighting for 2nd place. For me, this is the #1 reason why Im qb or bust in the draft. Wentz isnt going anywhere and Roseman will put a good team around him. The NYG must respond.


Wentz is certainly going to be around for a while, but with his style of play he might get hurt against. And they're not going to keep that defense around. With success comes guys looking for money and teams looking to poach their players. Guys pile up the injuries, guys slow down, GMs get overconfident and complacent. There's no sure things in this league except the patriots, and they only earned that through decades of beating that into everyone's heads.
RE: RE: Ive read Duce Staley as OC  
Rong5611 : 1/22/2018 7:47 am : link
Was a tough runner at Philly, smash mouth. Would not mind this, we need some attitude. If he's the best guy, so be it.

In comment 13798767 NYDCBlue said:
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Potentially



No former Eagles players allowed on the NYG sideline.
Former Eagles coaches is where I draw the line. I will accept the coaches, but he'll no to the players!
Those same hosannas being sung for Carson Wentz  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2018 9:37 am : link
Were being sung for Derek Carr last year. Forgive me if I'll wait until he has more than one good year under his belt.
This seems like a smart move by the new HC.  
Heisenberg : 1/22/2018 9:40 am : link
Very encouraging and a good fit for what we have on the roster. The defense needs a new voice.
RE: RE: RE: Del Rio story...  
Jimmy Googs : 1/22/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 13799790 ShocknAwe80 said:
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In comment 13798607 Jimmy Googs said:


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Jack Del Rio and his wife sat across from my row in first class cabin from JAX to ATL about 10 years ago.

Couple of young kids walked up to front of plane and asked him for his autograph. Del Rio looked perturbed and told the kids he was busy and that he would sign it in the airport after they get off the plane.

Del Rio gets off the plane with the rest of our first class cabin and walks on his merry way down the terminal. The kids presumably deplane minutes later and never see him again.

Not for nothing, but that was a dick move...



I have a good DelRio story. My friend's son was UDFA Fb for the Jaguars, the kid makes it to the final cut down, he has his knee blown out in practice, to this day DelRio has remained friends with my friend and his son.



yeah... I'm not a celebrity, and I don't want to be bothered by anyone on a flight either... I have no idea why that was even posted as a stpry. This is a class guy and I would be very happy with him as our DC


I usually allow autographs...
Why was this taken down.....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/22/2018 10:11 am : link
....from being the top sticky?
meh  
Torrag : 1/22/2018 10:13 am : link
As a DC his defenses have ranked all over the place. A couple very good seasons, a couple ok seasons and a few mediocre seasons.
Lets just worry about them cleaning up  
Dave on the UWS : 1/22/2018 10:26 am : link
their own mess and not worry about Philly at this time. Getting Shurmur and possibly DelRio is, hopefully, a good start. Thankfully this isn't a total roster gut job. There's some talent on this roster to build with. If the right guys have been hired, they can be right there again in relatively short order. Remember, it wasn't that long ago that Chip Kelly was making a mess of the Eagles either.
Del Rio  
Millburn : 1/23/2018 6:59 am : link
No, I would rather keep Spags.Name the last top flight Defense he had?
RE: Del Rio  
jeff57 : 1/23/2018 7:36 am : link
In comment 13802390 Millburn said:
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No, I would rather keep Spags.Name the last top flight Defense he had?


2014, when Denver had the third ranked defense.
RE: Del Rio  
JonC : 1/23/2018 8:51 am : link
In comment 13800354 RetroJint said:
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is an upgrade over Spagnuolo, who put on a floor show this season. He got away with it. Nothing was ever reported because hes kissed the right asses in the media, and it was way too much fun for them to piss on McAdoo, instead.

That said, Del Rio is a formulaic coordinator , who relies heavily on four men to generate a pass rush . He isnt an aggressive , pressures-oriented coach. Better find him a pass rusher.


Agreed, a lot of basic assignment defensive schemes relying on man to beat his man, which NYG was dreadful at in 2017.
RE: Del Rio  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/23/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 13802390 Millburn said:
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No, I would rather keep Spags.Name the last top flight Defense he had?


Well Spags may have had a couple "top flight" defenses, but he also as presided over some awful defenses.

Oh wait, I forgot, none of that was his fault.


Del Rio has been more consistent.
Is this a serious..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/23/2018 11:54 am : link
question?

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Del Rio
Millburn : 6:59 am : link : reply
No, I would rather keep Spags.Name the last top flight Defense he had?


Del Rio was only a DC for 3.5 years - subtract 1/2 year for when he filled in as interim HC when Fox had health issues.

It that time he fielded two top defensive units.

I'm assuming the snarky question has to do with his time as HC instead of DC or you really don't know much about Del Rio, and even then, he had top 10 defenses 3 years in Jacksonville.

The one thing you don't want Del Rio to do is institute the "Keep chopping wood" mantra. Other than that, he's been pretty damn consistent.
RE: Del Rio  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13802390 Millburn said:
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No, I would rather keep Spags.Name the last top flight Defense he had?

In five of the past six years, Spagnuolo has either run a defense that was ranked 31st or 32nd in the league, or was a position coach with limited scope of responsibility. Two of those years as DC, he oversaw units that finished among the worst in NFL history.

So when you say you'd rather keep Spags, what exactly is that based on?
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