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Does defense still win championships?

BestFeature : 1/21/2018 9:41 pm
Possibly two best defensive teams in the league got embarrassed today. The Jags' D actually looked good but then collapsed in the 4th quarter. The Vikings' D looked like a joke out there. The previous round the Jags gave up 42 points to the Steelers. The Vikings collapsed. The Pats haven't been a defensive team since probably 2004, if not 2003. The only defensive teams in the last decade plus that have won have been the Seahawks and Broncos. It's well documented that the list of QBs since the Pats' dynasty have won are a who's who of first ballot hall of famers.

I feel like people using this old cliche are old timers that long for the days of the Big Blue Wrecking Crew.

P.S. Not saying that the Eagles or Pats have a bad D, but I don't think this dominant D with a limited O can win. They usually get exposed.
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I am Ninja : 1/21/2018 9:45 pm : link
need to play complimentary football.

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fuck everything.
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arcarsenal : 1/21/2018 9:49 pm : link
All 4 of the teams that played today were top 5 defenses in terms of points allowed, so... I think that should tell you that defense is, in fact, very important.
Eagles and Patriots were 2 and 3 in total defense this season  
PatersonPlank : 1/21/2018 9:50 pm : link
Vikings were 6 and Jax #9. So yes you could say that the final 4 teams all played great D.
But does anyone consider the Pats a defensive team?  
BestFeature : 1/21/2018 9:54 pm : link
They play good D, but they're much more of an offensive team. Obviously good all around.

The Eagles were probably more of an offensive team this year. Obviously they had Foles but Foles may be the best damn backup in the league (not giving this too much thought, maybe it's not true).

I think the Jags and Vikings were much more typical defensive teams.

I mean, you could argue that all it proves is that a team that's good at both is better than a one dimensional team and that's probably fair. But I still think that "defense wins championships" is an antiquated notion.
Patriots have been playing bend don't break defense for years  
moespree : 1/21/2018 9:56 pm : link
They haven't really had an overly aggressive smash mouth defense since the Bruschi, Ted Washington, Law, Seymour days. But it works for them. They give up 3 and the offense gets them 7.
Regardless of how someone thinks a team looks, the facts say  
PatersonPlank : 1/21/2018 10:01 pm : link
otherwise. Philly is the #2 D this season, #3 in passing and #5 in rushing. Pats are #3, #7 in passing and #10 in rushing. So statswise two of the top 3 D's made the Super Bowl, and 4 of the top 10 made the final four.
RE: But does anyone consider the Pats a defensive team?  
EricJ : 1/21/2018 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13800198 BestFeature said:
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They play good D, but they're much more of an offensive team. Obviously good all around.


The Pats had the best defense in the league after week 5.
Pats  
Dragon : 1/21/2018 10:17 pm : link
May not have a great defense but they have very good CB’s who can play man to man quite well. They are a team that beats you on defense but you kind of keep asking yourself why did that play not work.
All 4 teams  
Jarvis : 1/21/2018 10:24 pm : link
have been good to great defensive teams this year. 2 teams had great QB play today and 2 didn't. That was the difference
RE: Eagles and Patriots were 2 and 3 in total defense this season  
short lease : 1/21/2018 10:34 pm : link
In comment 13800185 PatersonPlank said:
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Vikings were 6 and Jax #9. So yes you could say that the final 4 teams all played great D.


Nobody considers the defensive side of the ball in NE because BB and TB get all the press .... so a very good defense sits on the back burner.
Hopefully it puts to bed the bad take  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2018 10:34 pm : link
of "just build a great defense and any QB can be carried".



RE: RE: Eagles and Patriots were 2 and 3 in total defense this season  
short lease : 1/21/2018 10:35 pm : link
In comment 13800279 short lease said:
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In comment 13800185 PatersonPlank said:


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Vikings were 6 and Jax #9. So yes you could say that the final 4 teams all played great D.



Nobody considers the defensive side of the ball in NE because BB and TB get all the press .... so a very good defense sits on the back burner.


Sorry - that reply was to the OP.
This is sort of like  
Glover : 1/21/2018 10:42 pm : link
Super Bowl 49. Jags didnt blow it like Seattle did, by not running the ball, but all the same, they blew this game. Brady is Brady, and he is great, but the Jags had the clear advantage and blew it.

As far as Minnesota-Philly, Philly was just possessed. Philly's D is good, and their offense just ripped a flat defensive powerhouse. Minnesota was not mentally in the game to the level that the Eagles were.
Lol  
FirstBallotEli : 1/21/2018 11:48 pm : link
And now that there's some mediocre QBs deep in the playoffs "do franchise QBs no longer matter?" Lol I love the right here right now bias that people let cloud their judgement

Everyone is always looking for the next magical formula to building a championship roster, except fail to realize there never has been 1 perfectly linear formula to it, other than collect talented players and build dominant units.. weather that group happens to be an OL, a dbackfield, a dline, whatever.. every year who ever makes it this far everyone looks to them and thinks they have to have the same dominant unit they do

When the Seahawks won everyone is like you have to have a dominant secondary to win the super bowl

When the Broncos win it's pass rush

When the giants last won it was am air attack

Changes every year lol

Every super bowl team has had success in different ways there no single copy and paste strategy that's the end all be all

There is no *insert unit* wins championships, especially when speaking as broad as "offense and defense" to need to play well on both sides of the ball to win a championship unless one side is just so ridiculously incredible it can carry the other which can go either way, frankly if I had to choose I'd rather be heavy on offense but there's really no wrong answer to that question
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christian : 1/22/2018 12:16 am : link
The only common thread outside of having Brady I've seen in winners in the NFL, is having one dominant unit on a side of the ball.

If you don't have to scheme to take away or impose a facet of the game, and can just line up and win.

The Eagles dline tonight for instance just played, and Schwartz didn't have to do anything cute to be effective. That's got to make covering for injured linebackers and holes in the secondary a lot easier.
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FirstBallotEli : 1/22/2018 12:21 am : link
In comment 13800401 christian said:
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The only common thread outside of having Brady I've seen in winners in the NFL, is having one dominant unit on a side of the ball.

If you don't have to scheme to take away or impose a facet of the game, and can just line up and win.

The Eagles dline tonight for instance just played, and Schwartz didn't have to do anything cute to be effective. That's got to make covering for injured linebackers and holes in the secondary a lot easier.


Bingo
Umm  
joeinpa : 1/22/2018 6:57 am : link
Yes
We'll see in 2 weeks......  
Simms11 : 1/22/2018 10:25 am : link
Eagles are clearly the better Defense, but offensively could be inferior.
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