NFT: Knicks Chat: Horrendous performance

Frank scored 7 points on 3-3 shooting in 11 first half minutes and only played 7 second half minutes

In comment 13800486 ajr2456 said:

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Frank scored 7 points on 3-3 shooting in 11 first half minutes and only played 7 second half minutes

Because it was Ron bakers turn to play 4th quarter minutes

serves that purpose well. We don�t need that little surge typically seen with a coaching change, which would knock us out of the lottery.

Somebody needs to tell him whom to play though. Perry needs to trade all the vets so he doesn�t have a choice.

We need players, period. Most of our vets doing well are cast-offs around the league who accumulate stats on bad teams. They are not part of the future and need to go.

Can not just stick to his rotation or even have a normal rotation, he plays 11 guys every night...

It is like he refuses to bench Thomas or baker, he always needs to give them minutes...

Hardaway gets hot in the first quarter ok take him out and bring in lance...

Hardaway gets hot in the 3rx ok take him out...

And someone explain to me what Ron baker has done to deserve 4th quarter minutes?

Beasley could easily be a good bench scorer you need when the offense is not working on a given night..

Jack is a good vet in the locker room and could be a good 3rd point guard...

Everyone else get rid of, lee takes some of the worse shots I have ever seen..

I wouldn't mind keeping oquinn but I have a feeling someone is going to give him a stupid contract..

Might as well trade kanter, hornacek doesn't play him in the 4th anyway..

In comment 13800511 nygiants16 said:

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Beasley could easily be a good bench scorer you need when the offense is not working on a given night.. Jack is a good vet in the locker room and could be a good 3rd point guard... Everyone else get rid of, lee takes some of the worse shots I have ever seen.. I wouldn't mind keeping oquinn but I have a feeling someone is going to give him a stupid contract.. Might as well trade kanter, hornacek doesn't play him in the 4th anyway..

You pretty much have to trade Beasley. He�s on a one year deal.

In comment 13800625 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 13800511 nygiants16 said: Quote: Beasley could easily be a good bench scorer you need when the offense is not working on a given night.. Jack is a good vet in the locker room and could be a good 3rd point guard... Everyone else get rid of, lee takes some of the worse shots I have ever seen.. I wouldn't mind keeping oquinn but I have a feeling someone is going to give him a stupid contract.. Might as well trade kanter, hornacek doesn't play him in the 4th anyway.. You pretty much have to trade Beasley. He�s on a one year deal.

Why does him being on a one year deal mean you have to trade him?

There is a major problem with the Knicks that Hornacek is coaching for his job and playing Jack, Thomas and O'Quinn, while the Knicks would be better served playing Frank, Burke, Willy and any other young player.

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In comment 13800486 ajr2456 said: Quote: Frank scored 7 points on 3-3 shooting in 11 first half minutes and only played 7 second half minutes Because it was Ron bakers turn to play 4th quarter minutes

Hornacek needs to be fired like yesterday. Need to replace him with someone who will stop the insanity and play the kids.

but you'd think a guy who was missing in action for two months would tone down the rhetoric a bit.

In comment 13800747 bceagle05 said:

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but you'd think a guy who was missing in action for two months would tone down the rhetoric a bit.

He has played pretty damn well since returning, it is not like he is playing like dog shit right now

In comment 13800644 nygiants16 said:

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Why does him being on a one year deal mean you have to trade him?

He�s on a minimum deal and they don�t have his Bird rights. They can only give him a 20% raise under cap rules. He�s likely to fetch far more than that in free agency.

If they open some space up via trades this year they could re-sign him with that money. Or use the mid-level exception. But is that the best use of cap room for a rebuilding team?

In comment 13800784 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 13800644 nygiants16 said: Quote: Why does him being on a one year deal mean you have to trade him? He�s on a minimum deal and they don�t have his Bird rights. They can only give him a 20% raise under cap rules. He�s likely to fetch far more than that in free agency. If they open some space up via trades this year they could re-sign him with that money. Or use the mid-level exception. But is that the best use of cap room for a rebuilding team?

You don't have the mid level exception if you have cap space...

How much money do you think he is going to get? He is a guy who would of been out of the league if the knicks didn't sign him, he is not fetching some big deal...

Lee and Kanter might have some value but nobody is taking on those contracts.

If a playoff team loses its PG, the Knicks might be able to get a second for Jack. Maybe Beasley could net a second.

But most likely there will bo no or little interest in any available Knicks

In comment 13800808 Vanzetti said:

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Lee and Kanter might have some value but nobody is taking on those contracts. If a playoff team loses its PG, the Knicks might be able to get a second for Jack. Maybe Beasley could net a second. But most likely there will bo no or little interest in any available Knicks

Kanter is an expiring contract and Lee has a great value deal...

Timothy mosgov once got 2 1st round picks at the deadline..

In the win against Brooklyn I believe..

Their was two minutes left and we were up like ten points. You see Hornacek coaching up THjr, t and THjr puts his hand up in front of both of them, with a perturbed look on his face.

I think they know the writing is on the wall.

In comment 13800808 Vanzetti said:

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Lee and Kanter might have some value but nobody is taking on those contracts. If a playoff team loses its PG, the Knicks might be able to get a second for Jack. Maybe Beasley could net a second. But most likely there will bo no or little interest in any available Knicks

Lee has enough value to a playoff team that someone will take on the deal. That�s where the Knicks take on a bad 2 year in exchange for more assets

Why does Baker get any minutes? What, last season warranted re-signing Baker in the first place? G-d this is such a dysfunctional franchise. Now, we need another new coach?

it's obvious.Same thing as last year except with a new set of clowns.

Some will blame Hornacek,but I think it runs deeper than that

In comment 13800878 ghost718 said:

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it's obvious.Same thing as last year except with a new set of clowns. Some will blame Hornacek,but I think it runs deeper than that

Wtf are you babbling about?

Good teammates do not publicly trash the coach.

but KP has to do better than a 2 rebound game followed up by a 4 rebound game. He's 7'3

Still don't know why Jack is getting so many minutes? For what? I liked when Jeff had Burke at the 1 and Frank at the 2. I'd like to see that more often.

In comment 13801353 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

Wtf are you babbling about? [/quote]

A couple mental midgets,3 if I include you.

In comment 13801373 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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but KP has to do better than a 2 rebound game followed up by a 4 rebound game. He's 7'3 Still don't know why Jack is getting so many minutes? For what? I liked when Jeff had Burke at the 1 and Frank at the 2. I'd like to see that more often.

Agree on both points.

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In comment 13801353 LawrenceTaylor56 said: Wtf are you babbling about?

A couple mental midgets,3 if I include you. [/quote]

Get outta here Phil Jackson.

Does he really miss him that much? Or did he just get a little lazy with that aspect of his game? Tough to play him at the five for extended stretches if he doesn't improve in that area.

In comment 13801384 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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In comment 13801378 ghost718 said: Quote: In comment 13801353 LawrenceTaylor56 said: Wtf are you babbling about? A couple mental midgets,3 if I include you.

Get outta here Phil Jackson. [/quote]

Why are you even bothering? Same guy who said Beckham is not a great receiver...

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Does he really miss him that much? Or did he just get a little lazy with that aspect of his game? Tough to play him at the five for extended stretches if he doesn't improve in that area.

Kp is really a dumb player, he has no court awareness whatsoever, rebounding is all about positioning and reading the ball off the rim..

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Does he really miss him that much? Or did he just get a little lazy with that aspect of his game? Tough to play him at the five for extended stretches if he doesn't improve in that area.

That's because Lopez actually boxed out. Something that KP isn't interested in doing or still hasn't developed the strength to do it consistently.

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Just a feeling - Hornacek is not doing a horrible job, but I do question his rotations, his continued lack of playing Hermangomez (what they have done to this kid this year is ridiculous), and the team's general lax approach.

Keys at the deadline are to trade Lee, O'Quinn, and Kanter. Open up some cap space, find their way into the lottery, and then start anew. Hornacek is simply a guy "for now", but I do not see him as the guy when this team starts signing FAs, and becoming more competitive.

Mills to go for a "name" to coach the team. Mark Jackson would be horrible.

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In comment 13801507 Enzo said:

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Mills to go for a "name" to coach the team. Mark Jackson would be horrible.

How is It "typical" he has never pi ked a coach before..

flawed but there isn't a single team in the NBA that is this mediocre that develops Willy as they have given his rookie season. I fully acknowledge the flaws but 21-26 teams don't plant a 2nd year player coming off a first team NBA All-rookie first team.

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In comment 13801507 Enzo said: Quote: Mills to go for a "name" to coach the team. Mark Jackson would be horrible. How is It "typical" he has never pi ked a coach before..

his first choice to run the team back in 2004 (before he hired Isiah) was Magic Johnson.

Magic recommended Zeke, thanks Earvin!

Kidd fired

Months of discord centering on elements of treatment, rehabilitation and timetables for return from a right quadriceps injury have had a chilling impact on San Antonio Spurs star Kawhi Leonard's relationship with the franchise and coaching staff, league sources told ESPN.

Under president and coach Gregg Popovich and general manager RC Buford, the Spurs have a two-decades-long history of strong relationships with star players, but multiple sources describe Leonard and his camp as "distant" and "disconnected" from the organization.

Beyond the current rehab for the injury that has caused Leonard, an All-NBA forward, to miss most of the regular season, there is work to be done to repair what has been until now a successful partnership.

In an interview with ESPN, Buford rejected the reporting of turbulence between the franchise and Leonard.
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and had them at 51 wins after year three, yet he hasn't sniffed a job since being fired. Buyer beware - there must be some serious baggage with him.

In comment 13801397 bceagle05 said:

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Does he really miss him that much? Or did he just get a little lazy with that aspect of his game? Tough to play him at the five for extended stretches if he doesn't improve in that area.

I'm all for improved rebounding but is there a reason to give him extended stretches at center? I thought his size and ball skills made him an impossible matchup at PF?

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Kidd fired

considering how he ended up in Milwaukee and his relationship with Lasry...that's nuts.

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I wonder which player offered to drive Kidd to the airport. Contrary to several bogus reports,, Kidd didn't endear himself to many players, including some of the important ones.

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and Frank for GF!

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Sources: Jason Kidd hasn�t been officially told yet. Giannis Antetokounmpo is devastated.

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and Frank for GF! Chris Haynes‏Verified account @ChrisBHaynes Following Following @ChrisBHaynes More Chris Haynes Retweeted Adrian Wojnarowski Sources: Jason Kidd hasn�t been officially told yet. Giannis Antetokounmpo is devastated.

Honest question - how much does that improve the team's future? I'm not sure it moves the needle much. It's not as if the Bucks were thriving with him, and they have a better supporting cast than the Knicks do.

In comment 13801652 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 13801636 DanMetroMan said: Quote: and Frank for GF! Chris Haynes‏Verified account @ChrisBHaynes Following Following @ChrisBHaynes More Chris Haynes Retweeted Adrian Wojnarowski Sources: Jason Kidd hasn�t been officially told yet. Giannis Antetokounmpo is devastated. Honest question - how much does that improve the team's future? I'm not sure it moves the needle much. It's not as if the Bucks were thriving with him, and they have a better supporting cast than the Knicks do.

Honestly? Tough to say but he's only a few months older than KP and legit MVP caliber player. I don't think Frank would stop me from pulling the trigger given his likely upside. It doesn't change a ton (though I suspect GF has more "star pull" around the league than KP).

But somehow the Knicks have to add to the talent they have, not trade talent for talent.

In comment 13801682 Greg from LI said:

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But somehow the Knicks have to add to the talent they have, not trade talent for talent.

I just think the upside would be a mega superstar is likely more likely to hitch his wagon to GF at this point IE (and yeah this is an outlandish scenario and not something I'm actually expecting) but Lebron.