and one of the better receiving backs in the game. Depending on his market, I would love to get a guy with his skillset. That being said, a FA acquisition of him shouldn't impact the Giants potential for drafting a young RB, especially in such a talent rich draft.
We can't get one in the draft and call the unit set... I don't know why people don't recognize that. Darkwa and Vereen both need to be replaced or re-signed.
Wouldn't mind a McKinnon signing and a Kerryon Johnson drafting. McKinnon could be the next Vereen. Hopefully much more productive than Vereen. He's only going to be 26 also.
and one of the better receiving backs in the game. Depending on his market, I would love to get a guy with his skillset. That being said, a FA acquisition of him shouldn't impact the Giants potential for drafting a young RB, especially in such a talent rich draft.
I agree. Signing a player like McKinnon doesn't change our draft plans at all. In todays NFL you need a good stable of backs. McKinnon and Gallman are a good start.
Gallman and am not ready to give up on Perkins just yet.
My guess is they're going QB with 2nd pick and BPA from that point forward. Of course, they'll be as active as they can in FA to fortify both lines and upgrade at LB.
than the Darkwa or Gallman. He is shiftier and less of a straight ahead guy. He's also great catching balls out of the backfield. Perkins is more like McKinnon, but I've pretty much given up on him.
I think he could be our starting back, with Gallman coming in for certain situations. I like him.
Even if we do not get Barkley there are still others in a very deep draft.
mckinnon isn't going to mean we can't go after o-line or defense. FA running backs especially non everydown ones can be had for pretty cheap on the FA market. It would make some sense to bring in someone fimiliar with Shurmur's run schemes.
I would def cut bait with vernon/darkwa to bring in mckinnnon.
The 1 RB the Giants actually have is the same type of player.
Makes no sense to allocate much needed free agent $$$$ to bring in a similar player.
when has wayne gallman ever been considered a 3rd down scat back type? Gallman is a one cut hit the whole 1st and 2nd down back. Totally different styles.
Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
He's been a high upside measurables guy for yrs. When cooks went down, he stepped in and had a few monster games. But then they went with a rbbc with Lats. He still needs more developing but that's what will make him affordable. Again though, he ascending. The type of player you want to add before he develops and gets expensive.
He’s different than either Darkwa or Gallman. Darkwa is a straight ahead through the tackles runner and Gallman is also more of a power back with some cut ability. No guarantee Darkwa comes back.
Perkins is no good.
If Shurmur wants him, you sign him. Money should be reasonable too.
Very excited to get a coach in here and start this offseason. Â
Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
No it isn’t, but McCaffrey was on the field for 70% of their offensive snaps compared to 47% for McKinnon. McKinnon also caught 51 balls this year so your info is wrong.
It's another very strong RB class in the draft... Â
...as it was last season. Good bye Vereen and draft another one. IMO Gallman looks like a player and we got him in the 4th Round, where we have two picks this year.
RE: It's another very strong RB class in the draft... Â
...as it was last season. Good bye Vereen and draft another one. IMO Gallman looks like a player and we got him in the 4th Round, where we have two picks this year.
So you're suggesting we use two picks on RBs rather than OL, LB, or some other group? Doesn't it make more sense to get one guy in FA and another in the draft?
Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
No it isn’t, but McCaffrey was on the field for 70% of their offensive snaps compared to 47% for McKinnon. McKinnon also caught 51 balls this year so your info is wrong.
I said twice in four years. The 51 rec is obviously this year.
A lot of the better offenses have been using a fleet of versatile Â
RBs the last few years. Patriots, Jags this year, Falcons last year, Vikings to name a few.
More than one athletic RB who can run good routes and catch out of the backfield is most definitely a need. McKinnon would be a good get for one of them.
They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
Single free agent from the Vikings going to follow Shurmur to the Giants? Just seems that the media is just trying to make news with more speculation then facts.
They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?
It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.
I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.
They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?
It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.
I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.
Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
No it isn’t, but McCaffrey was on the field for 70% of their offensive snaps compared to 47% for McKinnon. McKinnon also caught 51 balls this year so your info is wrong.
I said twice in four years. The 51 rec is obviously this year.
You are correct, I misread. Still you need to go by snap count, in 2015 he saw 15% of the snaps, so why even bother using that as a gauge of his effectiveness? If you are going to compare him to McCaffery than prorate the snapcounts which would give McKinnon around 70 catches to Mccafferys 80 in 2017.
Looking at the boxscore and not looking at snapcounts, targets, etc is a pointless exercise. If you did you’d also see that McKinnon caught 75% of his targets this year compared to 71% for mccaffery.
Mccafery is the better player but JM is a good RB who can excel in the right system.
Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
Well, lets hope our FO doesn't make personnel decisions based on a few box scores that they come across.
What is it then? He isn't a special player and the draft is littered with talented backs. They need to fix the line before anything.
Opportunity. It's that simple. ONce Cook went down, McKinnon looked amazing. Minny felt like he couldn't withstand the punishment, so it was an RBBC with Murray. It worked out really well. He's a really good back that can catch the ball, run and protect the QB. I really like McKinnon.
It doesn’t matter if McKinnon can catch passes until the Giants have a Â
They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?
It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.
I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.
Not cheaper than a draft pick. I don't think they need two guys, either. Gallman, Perkins, Draft pick, not necessarily in that order, add Darkwa, Simmons, UDFA for depth. I'm clearly on team Barkley if Darnold is off the board at #1. But if they don't go Barkley in the 1st round, I do think they need to get a guy by the end of round 3 or 4 at the very latest. And yeah, I'd rather have the drafted player...5 of the top 20 NFL scrimmage yards leaders for 2017 were rookie RBs (Kamara, Fournette, Tarik Cohen, and Kareem Hunt, who was drafted in the later part of the 3rd round, led the NFL in rushing). No first year free agent cracked the top 20. Alex Collins was the first at #23 overall, and he wasn't even on the Baltimore roster to start the season.
back at all. Just get someone like Gallman (who they already have) that can catch and run. That way you are not tipping your hand on 3rd and 2. Draft Michel or Chubb or Love...
We can use a pass catching back like him, in addition to a power back that puts real FEAR in a defense. And I mean FEAR... without that the defense will not bite on play action passes and will sit back and play cover two. Gallman fights for tough hards and can break tackles but he is not FEARED. FEAR maintains the order of things.
They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?
It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.
I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.
Not cheaper than a draft pick. I don't think they need two guys, either. Gallman, Perkins, Draft pick, not necessarily in that order, add Darkwa, Simmons, UDFA for depth. I'm clearly on team Barkley if Darnold is off the board at #1. But if they don't go Barkley in the 1st round, I do think they need to get a guy by the end of round 3 or 4 at the very latest. And yeah, I'd rather have the drafted player...5 of the top 20 NFL scrimmage yards leaders for 2017 were rookie RBs (Kamara, Fournette, Tarik Cohen, and Kareem Hunt, who was drafted in the later part of the 3rd round, led the NFL in rushing). No first year free agent cracked the top 20. Alex Collins was the first at #23 overall, and he wasn't even on the Baltimore roster to start the season.
Are you kidding me?
You just laid out a scenario where you're picking two RB. Darkwa and a draft pick is exactly what I'm talking about. GTFO.
McKinnon is actually a lot bigger than Lewis. 5'9, 208 compared to 5'6.5, 193. Better speed as well. 4.41 at the combine compared to Lewis who ran a 4.62.
Even if we do not get Barkley there are still others in a very deep draft.
Wouldn't mind a McKinnon signing and a Kerryon Johnson drafting. McKinnon could be the next Vereen. Hopefully much more productive than Vereen. He's only going to be 26 also.
Makes no sense to allocate much needed free agent $$$$ to bring in a similar player.
I agree. Signing a player like McKinnon doesn't change our draft plans at all. In todays NFL you need a good stable of backs. McKinnon and Gallman are a good start.
My guess is they're going QB with 2nd pick and BPA from that point forward. Of course, they'll be as active as they can in FA to fortify both lines and upgrade at LB.
Makes no sense to allocate much needed free agent $$$$ to bring in a similar player.
Gallman isn't a scat back. Look at their measureables and they're not even close to the same player.
I think he could be our starting back, with Gallman coming in for certain situations. I like him.
And enough with the not paying RBs bullshit. We don’t know his price and it’s an area of need on this team.
WG can catch, but he is most definitely more of a between the tackles, North-South RB who gets tough yards and has an affinity to fall forward.
Not comparable RBs IMO.
Even if we do not get Barkley there are still others in a very deep draft.
mckinnon isn't going to mean we can't go after o-line or defense. FA running backs especially non everydown ones can be had for pretty cheap on the FA market. It would make some sense to bring in someone fimiliar with Shurmur's run schemes.
I would def cut bait with vernon/darkwa to bring in mckinnnon.
Makes no sense to allocate much needed free agent $$$$ to bring in a similar player.
when has wayne gallman ever been considered a 3rd down scat back type? Gallman is a one cut hit the whole 1st and 2nd down back. Totally different styles.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
He's been a high upside measurables guy for yrs. When cooks went down, he stepped in and had a few monster games. But then they went with a rbbc with Lats. He still needs more developing but that's what will make him affordable. Again though, he ascending. The type of player you want to add before he develops and gets expensive.
Perkins is no good.
If Shurmur wants him, you sign him. Money should be reasonable too.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
Well, lets hope our FO doesn't make personnel decisions based on a few box scores that they come across.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
No it isn’t, but McCaffrey was on the field for 70% of their offensive snaps compared to 47% for McKinnon. McKinnon also caught 51 balls this year so your info is wrong.
So you're suggesting we use two picks on RBs rather than OL, LB, or some other group? Doesn't it make more sense to get one guy in FA and another in the draft?
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
Well, lets hope our FO doesn't make personnel decisions based on a few box scores that they come across.
What is it then? He isn't a special player and the draft is littered with talented backs. They need to fix the line before anything.
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
No it isn’t, but McCaffrey was on the field for 70% of their offensive snaps compared to 47% for McKinnon. McKinnon also caught 51 balls this year so your info is wrong.
I said twice in four years. The 51 rec is obviously this year.
More than one athletic RB who can run good routes and catch out of the backfield is most definitely a need. McKinnon would be a good get for one of them.
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The 1 RB the Giants actually have is the same type of player.
Makes no sense to allocate much needed free agent $$$$ to bring in a similar player.
Gallman is the same as McKinnon? What the fuck?
They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?
It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.
I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.
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free agency resources.
They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?
It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.
I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.
2018* obviously.
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
No it isn’t, but McCaffrey was on the field for 70% of their offensive snaps compared to 47% for McKinnon. McKinnon also caught 51 balls this year so your info is wrong.
I said twice in four years. The 51 rec is obviously this year.
You are correct, I misread. Still you need to go by snap count, in 2015 he saw 15% of the snaps, so why even bother using that as a gauge of his effectiveness? If you are going to compare him to McCaffery than prorate the snapcounts which would give McKinnon around 70 catches to Mccafferys 80 in 2017.
Looking at the boxscore and not looking at snapcounts, targets, etc is a pointless exercise. If you did you’d also see that McKinnon caught 75% of his targets this year compared to 71% for mccaffery.
Mccafery is the better player but JM is a good RB who can excel in the right system.
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.
If he's cheap sure go for it.
Well, lets hope our FO doesn't make personnel decisions based on a few box scores that they come across.
What is it then? He isn't a special player and the draft is littered with talented backs. They need to fix the line before anything.
Opportunity. It's that simple. ONce Cook went down, McKinnon looked amazing. Minny felt like he couldn't withstand the punishment, so it was an RBBC with Murray. It worked out really well. He's a really good back that can catch the ball, run and protect the QB. I really like McKinnon.
Do you know that Tiki’s catches decreased by nearly one catch per game after Eli became QB?
His rushing yardage increased a lot but that was due to coaching philosophy.
He is a great 3rd down back and can get the job done in spot duty when called upon. Plus, he can return kicks.
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free agency resources.
They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?
It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.
I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.
Not cheaper than a draft pick. I don't think they need two guys, either. Gallman, Perkins, Draft pick, not necessarily in that order, add Darkwa, Simmons, UDFA for depth. I'm clearly on team Barkley if Darnold is off the board at #1. But if they don't go Barkley in the 1st round, I do think they need to get a guy by the end of round 3 or 4 at the very latest. And yeah, I'd rather have the drafted player...5 of the top 20 NFL scrimmage yards leaders for 2017 were rookie RBs (Kamara, Fournette, Tarik Cohen, and Kareem Hunt, who was drafted in the later part of the 3rd round, led the NFL in rushing). No first year free agent cracked the top 20. Alex Collins was the first at #23 overall, and he wasn't even on the Baltimore roster to start the season.
Cohen in the top 20 for All Purpose yards when you add in his return yardage...so I shouldn't have included him.
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free agency resources.
They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?
It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.
I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.
Not cheaper than a draft pick. I don't think they need two guys, either. Gallman, Perkins, Draft pick, not necessarily in that order, add Darkwa, Simmons, UDFA for depth. I'm clearly on team Barkley if Darnold is off the board at #1. But if they don't go Barkley in the 1st round, I do think they need to get a guy by the end of round 3 or 4 at the very latest. And yeah, I'd rather have the drafted player...5 of the top 20 NFL scrimmage yards leaders for 2017 were rookie RBs (Kamara, Fournette, Tarik Cohen, and Kareem Hunt, who was drafted in the later part of the 3rd round, led the NFL in rushing). No first year free agent cracked the top 20. Alex Collins was the first at #23 overall, and he wasn't even on the Baltimore roster to start the season.
Are you kidding me?
You just laid out a scenario where you're picking two RB. Darkwa and a draft pick is exactly what I'm talking about. GTFO.
McKinnon is actually a lot bigger than Lewis. 5'9, 208 compared to 5'6.5, 193. Better speed as well. 4.41 at the combine compared to Lewis who ran a 4.62.