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Vikings RB Jerick McKinnon could follow Shurmur to Giants

GFAN52 : 1/22/2018 10:24 am
Don't think he would be a huge upgrade.
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I would rather use our FA money  
superspynyg : 1/22/2018 10:27 am : link
for Oline and defense than for a rb.

Even if we do not get Barkley there are still others in a very deep draft.
McKinnon is a very useful player  
LI NHB : 1/22/2018 10:29 am : link
and one of the better receiving backs in the game. Depending on his market, I would love to get a guy with his skillset. That being said, a FA acquisition of him shouldn't impact the Giants potential for drafting a young RB, especially in such a talent rich draft.
We need more than one running back  
adamg : 1/22/2018 10:30 am : link
We can't get one in the draft and call the unit set... I don't know why people don't recognize that. Darkwa and Vereen both need to be replaced or re-signed.

Wouldn't mind a McKinnon signing and a Kerryon Johnson drafting. McKinnon could be the next Vereen. Hopefully much more productive than Vereen. He's only going to be 26 also.
This is stupid  
Powerclean765 : 1/22/2018 10:31 am : link
The 1 RB the Giants actually have is the same type of player.

Makes no sense to allocate much needed free agent $$$$ to bring in a similar player.

he has the look of a good  
Dave on the UWS : 1/22/2018 10:32 am : link
change of pace back. Played more this year out of necessity than would be ideal. if the dollars are reasonable, I wouldn't mind it.
RE: McKinnon is a very useful player  
Peppers : 1/22/2018 10:32 am : link
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and one of the better receiving backs in the game. Depending on his market, I would love to get a guy with his skillset. That being said, a FA acquisition of him shouldn't impact the Giants potential for drafting a young RB, especially in such a talent rich draft.


I agree. Signing a player like McKinnon doesn't change our draft plans at all. In todays NFL you need a good stable of backs. McKinnon and Gallman are a good start.
I like  
BigBlueinDE : 1/22/2018 10:33 am : link
Gallman and am not ready to give up on Perkins just yet.

My guess is they're going QB with 2nd pick and BPA from that point forward. Of course, they'll be as active as they can in FA to fortify both lines and upgrade at LB.

RE: This is stupid  
adamg : 1/22/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 13800815 Powerclean765 said:
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The 1 RB the Giants actually have is the same type of player.

Makes no sense to allocate much needed free agent $$$$ to bring in a similar player.


Gallman isn't a scat back. Look at their measureables and they're not even close to the same player.
I think McKinnon is a different, more all around player  
PatersonPlank : 1/22/2018 10:35 am : link
than the Darkwa or Gallman. He is shiftier and less of a straight ahead guy. He's also great catching balls out of the backfield. Perkins is more like McKinnon, but I've pretty much given up on him.

I think he could be our starting back, with Gallman coming in for certain situations. I like him.
Doesn’t remind me of Gallman at all  
UConn4523 : 1/22/2018 10:36 am : link
do people watch the same games?

And enough with the not paying RBs bullshit. We don’t know his price and it’s an area of need on this team.
A plainly noticeable thing about McKinnon  
LI NHB : 1/22/2018 10:43 am : link
is his ability to catch and seamlessly accelerate to top speed. Incredible quick twitch athleticism and really not the same player as Gallman.

WG can catch, but he is most definitely more of a between the tackles, North-South RB who gets tough yards and has an affinity to fall forward.

Not comparable RBs IMO.
He's a good player who would help the team  
Heisenberg : 1/22/2018 10:44 am : link
but, our FA dollars probably should be spent on the OL first.
McKinnon wouldn't be getting money anywhere close  
adamg : 1/22/2018 10:47 am : link
to a range that would affect OL signings. 3 years ~12 mill would be what I expect he'll fetch.
I really wonder if people actually watch the games  
Brandon Walsh : 1/22/2018 10:48 am : link
McKinnon is light years ahead of anything we have as a passing game back. He would be such an upgrade over the current Shane Vereen.
McKinnon  
Zepp : 1/22/2018 10:50 am : link
Would be a decent backup to Barkley.
RE: I would rather use our FA money  
mphbullet36 : 1/22/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13800804 superspynyg said:
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for Oline and defense than for a rb.

Even if we do not get Barkley there are still others in a very deep draft.


mckinnon isn't going to mean we can't go after o-line or defense. FA running backs especially non everydown ones can be had for pretty cheap on the FA market. It would make some sense to bring in someone fimiliar with Shurmur's run schemes.

I would def cut bait with vernon/darkwa to bring in mckinnnon.
RE: This is stupid  
mphbullet36 : 1/22/2018 10:56 am : link
In comment 13800815 Powerclean765 said:
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The 1 RB the Giants actually have is the same type of player.

Makes no sense to allocate much needed free agent $$$$ to bring in a similar player.


when has wayne gallman ever been considered a 3rd down scat back type? Gallman is a one cut hit the whole 1st and 2nd down back. Totally different styles.
This would be  
muhajir : 1/22/2018 10:57 am : link
a great signing. Three down back that's still ascending. We don't have anyone like him on the roster. He has star potential.
He would be a big upgrade over Vereen  
jeff57 : 1/22/2018 10:59 am : link
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He  
Toth029 : 1/22/2018 11:07 am : link
Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.

If he's cheap sure go for it.
RE: He  
muhajir : 1/22/2018 11:12 am : link
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.

If he's cheap sure go for it.


He's been a high upside measurables guy for yrs. When cooks went down, he stepped in and had a few monster games. But then they went with a rbbc with Lats. He still needs more developing but that's what will make him affordable. Again though, he ascending. The type of player you want to add before he develops and gets expensive.
I’m a fan  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2018 11:21 am : link
He’s different than either Darkwa or Gallman. Darkwa is a straight ahead through the tackles runner and Gallman is also more of a power back with some cut ability. No guarantee Darkwa comes back.

Perkins is no good.

If Shurmur wants him, you sign him. Money should be reasonable too.
Very excited to get a coach in here and start this offseason.  
LI NHB : 1/22/2018 11:23 am : link
Certainly the only positive in Philly advancing.
RE: He  
Keith : 1/22/2018 11:24 am : link
In comment 13800909 Toth029 said:
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.

If he's cheap sure go for it.


Well, lets hope our FO doesn't make personnel decisions based on a few box scores that they come across.
RE: He  
UConn4523 : 1/22/2018 11:25 am : link
In comment 13800909 Toth029 said:
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.

If he's cheap sure go for it.


No it isn’t, but McCaffrey was on the field for 70% of their offensive snaps compared to 47% for McKinnon. McKinnon also caught 51 balls this year so your info is wrong.
It's another very strong RB class in the draft...  
Torrag : 1/22/2018 11:26 am : link
...as it was last season. Good bye Vereen and draft another one. IMO Gallman looks like a player and we got him in the 4th Round, where we have two picks this year.
RE: It's another very strong RB class in the draft...  
adamg : 1/22/2018 11:33 am : link
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...as it was last season. Good bye Vereen and draft another one. IMO Gallman looks like a player and we got him in the 4th Round, where we have two picks this year.


So you're suggesting we use two picks on RBs rather than OL, LB, or some other group? Doesn't it make more sense to get one guy in FA and another in the draft?
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Toth029 : 1/22/2018 11:38 am : link
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.

If he's cheap sure go for it.



Well, lets hope our FO doesn't make personnel decisions based on a few box scores that they come across.

What is it then? He isn't a special player and the draft is littered with talented backs. They need to fix the line before anything.
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Toth029 : 1/22/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 13800957 UConn4523 said:
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.

If he's cheap sure go for it.



No it isn’t, but McCaffrey was on the field for 70% of their offensive snaps compared to 47% for McKinnon. McKinnon also caught 51 balls this year so your info is wrong.

I said twice in four years. The 51 rec is obviously this year.
A lot of the better offenses have been using a fleet of versatile  
mfsd : 1/22/2018 11:51 am : link
RBs the last few years. Patriots, Jags this year, Falcons last year, Vikings to name a few.

More than one athletic RB who can run good routes and catch out of the backfield is most definitely a need. McKinnon would be a good get for one of them.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/22/2018 11:53 am : link
it continues to amaze me that people claim to watch football but they apparently have zero understanding of what they are watching.

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This is stupid
Powerclean765 : 10:31 am : link : reply
The 1 RB the Giants actually have is the same type of player.

Makes no sense to allocate much needed free agent $$$$ to bring in a similar player.


Gallman is the same as McKinnon? What the fuck?
It's just not an efficient use of  
allstarjim : 1/22/2018 11:56 am : link
free agency resources.

They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.
Is every  
tony71 : 1/22/2018 12:21 pm : link
Single free agent from the Vikings going to follow Shurmur to the Giants? Just seems that the media is just trying to make news with more speculation then facts.
RE: It's just not an efficient use of  
adamg : 1/22/2018 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13801034 allstarjim said:
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free agency resources.

They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.


What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?

It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.

I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.
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adamg : 1/22/2018 12:28 pm : link
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free agency resources.

They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.



What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?

It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.

I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.

2018* obviously.
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UConn4523 : 1/22/2018 12:46 pm : link
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.

If he's cheap sure go for it.



No it isn’t, but McCaffrey was on the field for 70% of their offensive snaps compared to 47% for McKinnon. McKinnon also caught 51 balls this year so your info is wrong.


I said twice in four years. The 51 rec is obviously this year.


You are correct, I misread. Still you need to go by snap count, in 2015 he saw 15% of the snaps, so why even bother using that as a gauge of his effectiveness? If you are going to compare him to McCaffery than prorate the snapcounts which would give McKinnon around 70 catches to Mccafferys 80 in 2017.

Looking at the boxscore and not looking at snapcounts, targets, etc is a pointless exercise. If you did you’d also see that McKinnon caught 75% of his targets this year compared to 71% for mccaffery.

Mccafery is the better player but JM is a good RB who can excel in the right system.
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Keith : 1/22/2018 12:50 pm : link
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Has okay rush numbers and only went over 40 receptions twice in four years. This isn't Christian McCaffrey here.

If he's cheap sure go for it.



Well, lets hope our FO doesn't make personnel decisions based on a few box scores that they come across.


What is it then? He isn't a special player and the draft is littered with talented backs. They need to fix the line before anything.


Opportunity. It's that simple. ONce Cook went down, McKinnon looked amazing. Minny felt like he couldn't withstand the punishment, so it was an RBBC with Murray. It worked out really well. He's a really good back that can catch the ball, run and protect the QB. I really like McKinnon.
It doesn’t matter if McKinnon can catch passes until the Giants have a  
Ivan15 : 1/22/2018 12:56 pm : link
QB who can complete passes to his backs.

Do you know that Tiki’s catches decreased by nearly one catch per game after Eli became QB?

His rushing yardage increased a lot but that was due to coaching philosophy.
How about LB's or OL...  
GuzzaBlue : 1/22/2018 1:22 pm : link
RB is almost to the point, if you do not have an elite one, you can ignore the position and still have a few fall your lap that are starter quality.
McKinnon would be a nice pick-up  
Breeze_94 : 1/22/2018 1:47 pm : link
His price tag won't be that high- he could get a deal similar the 3 years, 12 million that James White got after his Super Bowl performance.

He is a great 3rd down back and can get the job done in spot duty when called upon. Plus, he can return kicks.

McKinnon is Dion Lewis  
Tuckrule : 1/22/2018 1:56 pm : link
Not as good but pretty much same player
Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world  
illmatic : 1/22/2018 2:15 pm : link
if they know they're taking a QB over Barkley. And if he came at a reasonable price. I can't imagine he'd cost that much.
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allstarjim : 1/22/2018 2:50 pm : link
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free agency resources.

They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.



What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?

It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.

I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.


Not cheaper than a draft pick. I don't think they need two guys, either. Gallman, Perkins, Draft pick, not necessarily in that order, add Darkwa, Simmons, UDFA for depth. I'm clearly on team Barkley if Darnold is off the board at #1. But if they don't go Barkley in the 1st round, I do think they need to get a guy by the end of round 3 or 4 at the very latest. And yeah, I'd rather have the drafted player...5 of the top 20 NFL scrimmage yards leaders for 2017 were rookie RBs (Kamara, Fournette, Tarik Cohen, and Kareem Hunt, who was drafted in the later part of the 3rd round, led the NFL in rushing). No first year free agent cracked the top 20. Alex Collins was the first at #23 overall, and he wasn't even on the Baltimore roster to start the season.

Actually should be 3  
allstarjim : 1/22/2018 2:53 pm : link
Kamara, Fournette, and Hunt.

Cohen in the top 20 for All Purpose yards when you add in his return yardage...so I shouldn't have included him.
Do not want a 3rd down  
section125 : 1/22/2018 4:32 pm : link
back at all. Just get someone like Gallman (who they already have) that can catch and run. That way you are not tipping your hand on 3rd and 2. Draft Michel or Chubb or Love...
We need to stop paying  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/22/2018 4:41 pm : link
Backups. That’s why we have late rounders.
Vereen is done  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/22/2018 6:00 pm : link
We can use a pass catching back like him, in addition to a power back that puts real FEAR in a defense. And I mean FEAR... without that the defense will not bite on play action passes and will sit back and play cover two. Gallman fights for tough hards and can break tackles but he is not FEARED. FEAR maintains the order of things.
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adamg : 1/22/2018 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13801426 allstarjim said:
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free agency resources.

They need to try and make Paul Perkins their Jerick McKinnon. Give him a chance in that role in Shurmur's offense. They could use an upgrade as a lead back.



What alternative do you have in mind? Not signing another running back? GOing into 2016 with Perkins, Gallman, and a draft pick?

It makes more sense to get one in FA and one in the draft.

I don't understand this aversion to FA RBs. They're the cheapest position you can get in FA.



Not cheaper than a draft pick. I don't think they need two guys, either. Gallman, Perkins, Draft pick, not necessarily in that order, add Darkwa, Simmons, UDFA for depth. I'm clearly on team Barkley if Darnold is off the board at #1. But if they don't go Barkley in the 1st round, I do think they need to get a guy by the end of round 3 or 4 at the very latest. And yeah, I'd rather have the drafted player...5 of the top 20 NFL scrimmage yards leaders for 2017 were rookie RBs (Kamara, Fournette, Tarik Cohen, and Kareem Hunt, who was drafted in the later part of the 3rd round, led the NFL in rushing). No first year free agent cracked the top 20. Alex Collins was the first at #23 overall, and he wasn't even on the Baltimore roster to start the season.


Are you kidding me?

You just laid out a scenario where you're picking two RB. Darkwa and a draft pick is exactly what I'm talking about. GTFO.
RE: McKinnon is Dion Lewis  
Breeze_94 : 1/22/2018 6:22 pm : link
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Not as good but pretty much same player


McKinnon is actually a lot bigger than Lewis. 5'9, 208 compared to 5'6.5, 193. Better speed as well. 4.41 at the combine compared to Lewis who ran a 4.62.
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