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Refs love the Pats?

Victor in CT : 1/22/2018 10:56 am
Normally I am skeptical of favoritism rants, but the officiating again seems to favor NE. I thought there were some very questionable calls on JAGS, non calls on NE, especially in PI. JAGS flagged for breathing, Chung shown with a fistful of jersey and not even a holidng call ie: "What I thought was curious was the officials not calling ANY pass interference penalties against the Patriots' defensive backs, especially on two key plays where Marcedes Lewis was open, tried to make a play and got mugged. There was also a holding call completely missed on the Patriots' final first-down play of the game"

no offensive holding on 38 pass attempts?

this one in particular hurt: "And one play in particular stood out to people, as the Jags might have been robbed of a touchdown thanks to an early whistle after Myles Jack robbed Dion Lewis of the ball following a wild Patriots offensive play."




Everyone thinks officials celebrated with Patriots, handed them AFC championship - ( New Window )
And you believe all of the refs  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2018 11:03 am : link
got together before the game and agreed amongst themselves not to call anything on NE?
I thought the officiating was slightly skewed...  
Torrag : 1/22/2018 11:04 am : link
...but subtle and with no one play you could call them out on particularly.

I don't think it cost the Jags the game. They looked like a young team that hadn't quite figured out how to seal the deal against such a big game battle tested opponent.
RE: And you believe all of the refs  
Victor in CT : 1/22/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 13800902 Mike from Ohio said:
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got together before the game and agreed amongst themselves not to call anything on NE?


don't be ridiculous. but watching the game seems calls and non calls were one sided.
the Pats had 1 penalty called on them one!  
gtt350 : 1/22/2018 11:08 am : link
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RE: RE: And you believe all of the refs  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13800908 Victor in CT said:
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got together before the game and agreed amongst themselves not to call anything on NE?



don't be ridiculous. but watching the game seems calls and non calls were one sided.


So if they didn't agree to it, how did all of them just not call anything on the Pats? You know any of them can throw flags. Did they all independently just favor NE and refuse to throw flags?

Sorry, Victor. You are the one suggesting a ridiculous conspiracy.
RE: I thought the officiating was slightly skewed...  
Victor in CT : 1/22/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13800903 Torrag said:
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...but subtle and with no one play you could call them out on particularly.

I don't think it cost the Jags the game. They looked like a young team that hadn't quite figured out how to seal the deal against such a big game battle tested opponent.


good point Torrag. I thought going in that the Jags had a chance and would make it a game. And they did. Bortles in particular seemed a litle overwhelmed in the 2nd half.
It was obvious against the Titans  
732NYG : 1/22/2018 11:12 am : link
and it was obvious yesterday. Refs call things for the Pats. You can say "the refs didn't win NE the game," all day, but when you win by 4 points, and garbage calls account for a 7-14 point swing, yeah, they kinda did.
Wasn't the Refs that cost them the game  
montanagiant : 1/22/2018 11:14 am : link
It was the decision to get conservative on both sides of the ball in the second half
RE: RE: And you believe all of the refs  
Eman11 : 1/22/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13800908 Victor in CT said:
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got together before the game and agreed amongst themselves not to call anything on NE?



don't be ridiculous. but watching the game seems calls and non calls were one sided.


No doubt. One call on them all game and that was on special teams? Seems to me they were giving the Pats the benefit of the doubt on plays and called similar things on the Jags.

How did they miss the obvious pick on the Pats first drive on the 3rd down pass down the text sideline? Big play to keep the drive going, get the Pats some momentum and an early FG. Looked to me like they could've been called for 1 or 2 penalties on their DB's too.
well you know the refs were rooting for NE  
Dave : 1/22/2018 11:20 am : link
they didn't even try to hide their glee, its weird imo
game was heading for a rout  
Dave : 1/22/2018 11:22 am : link
untill Q2 penalties changed the momentum, imo
Telling Stat  
wonderback : 1/22/2018 11:24 am : link
Jacksonville: 98 yds on 10 penalties.

New England: 10 yds on 1 penalty.


Anybody who can't see this is blind!!!!
it almost reminds one of a title fight where the champ is in danger  
Victor in CT : 1/22/2018 11:26 am : link
and you know the judges are trying to find a way to screw the challenger.

And I am not a Pats hater, I admire and will always root for Belichick against almost anyone but the Giants. I was rooting for the Jags yesterday though. I like the way they play, and TC is there.
3 & 18  
RetroJint : 1/22/2018 11:26 am : link
That’s where they lost it. You can’t play Brady the same way for 4 quarters. They didn’t call enough pressures . When they allow five receivers to get out , Brady is unstoppable. Some of those throws were incredible .

However , the Jags did catch the short end of it, calls wide. The Pats have had a playoff game with 0 penalties . But the delay of game coming off a Patriot time out the last Jags possession of the first half, cost them dearly. Maybe 21-3. Who is to blame there? Bortles .
You lose all credibility complaining about the Jack play  
giants#1 : 1/22/2018 11:26 am : link
they got that one correct. Jack is lying on his back in clear contact with Lewis. How did he get screwed out of the return?

And they let the Jags CBs (Bouye and Ramsey) get away with quite a bit of contact.
RE: game was heading for a rout  
Victor in CT : 1/22/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 13800948 Dave said:
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untill Q2 penalties changed the momentum, imo


yep. They had to call the one on Gronk. The others were ticky tacky I thought.
What is it exactly that you think makes the refs  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2018 11:28 am : link
try to help the Patriots - the team in the league least requiring assistance? Are they all secretly Patriot fans? Do they get bonuses from the league if the Patriots win?

It would be interesting if instead of just saying the refs want the patriots to win, somebody would suggest why they would all jeopardize these highly sought after jobs to do that.
Mike, I just think a lot of people admire their success  
Dave : 1/22/2018 11:30 am : link
and jump on the bandwagon
kellerman  
RobThailand : 1/22/2018 11:31 am : link
was talking about it on espn
Link - ( New Window )
and, in my mind, it is not intentional  
Dave : 1/22/2018 11:31 am : link
it is a bias, just like any other bias, they see what they want to see
The bias..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/22/2018 11:35 am : link
shown to teams with excellent reputations isn't one of intended bias or corruption. The perception clouds the refs judgement where they start to believe a team is too good to commit penalties or they subconsciously get the benefit of the doubt on close plays.

I was part of a study years ago that used various methods to prove this out and the results were undeniable. It is the same tenet that questions why Jordan or LeBron James get the calls or why other star players seemingly get away with penalties or fouls.

It is the human side of officiating that is inherently flawed, because our minds have been trained to expect certain things and it clouds judgment
Also  
RetroJint : 1/22/2018 11:36 am : link
their last drive, Hackett made a perfect call. They wheeled Fournette on Flowers. He’s got Flowers beat for a TD. Shit pass. Yeah Bortles got pressure but Brady made 3 perfect throws when he was about to get hit.

Bortles is a mixed bag, like most quarterbacks are. Belichick (not Patricia-please-who does as he’s told) took away Bortles’ ability to make plays with his legs . They didn’t do the 2-man read at all. His passes are generally a little bit off. Sometimes that can be overcome. Sometimes it can’t.

it must be a sport-specific Boston thing  
Bill L : 1/22/2018 11:36 am : link
because in every single Celtic game I've seen, all of the calls/non-calls work against them. I'm positive it's a conspiracy.
Just because someone questions the integrity of NFL officiating,  
Mr. Bungle : 1/22/2018 11:40 am : link
it doesn't mean that person is suggesting predetermined outcomes, outright fixes, and shadowy conspiracies. It also doesn't mean that person believes that there is no fair officiating in the NFL. It also doesn't mean that the person is claiming that great teams haven't earned much of their success.

What most people are saying is that during in-game conditions, too many officiating crews appear to be making (or withholding) some judgments and decisions (especially critical ones in close games) based on factors other than clear visual evidence and the rule book. When you keep seeing the same teams and players getting this suspicious treatment over the years, it's hard not to wonder what's going on.

There's an abundance of examples that suggest that NFL officiating mistakes are due to more than just human error, especially those that involve reviews and coach's challenges, when everything is slowed down and viewed from multiple angles. There are also far too many examples of an official staring right at a blatant penalty in the open field and not throwing a flag. I think it's reasonable to ask, "What the hell is going on?" in light of all these examples over the years.

The NFL is, first and foremost, an entertainment business. In my opinion, believing that these multi-billion-dollar entertainment empires known as sports leagues are willing to just let everything play out naturally without trying to subtly manipulate things toward what they know brings the most revenue is naive.
That big PI on Bouye was disgusting  
FirstBallotEli : 1/22/2018 11:43 am : link
I watch basically every pats game (best friend is a pats fan) and it's the same shit every week, they will always get every break in the world it's pretty incredible
RE: Just because someone questions the integrity of NFL officiating,  
Victor in CT : 1/22/2018 11:44 am : link
In comment 13800990 Mr. Bungle said:
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it doesn't mean that person is suggesting predetermined outcomes, outright fixes, and shadowy conspiracies. It also doesn't mean that person believes that there is no fair officiating in the NFL. It also doesn't mean that the person is claiming that great teams haven't earned much of their success.

What most people are saying is that during in-game conditions, too many officiating crews appear to be making (or withholding) some judgments and decisions (especially critical ones in close games) based on factors other than clear visual evidence and the rule book. When you keep seeing the same teams and players getting this suspicious treatment over the years, it's hard not to wonder what's going on.

There's an abundance of examples that suggest that NFL officiating mistakes are due to more than just human error, especially those that involve reviews and coach's challenges, when everything is slowed down and viewed from multiple angles. There are also far too many examples of an official staring right at a blatant penalty in the open field and not throwing a flag. I think it's reasonable to ask, "What the hell is going on?" in light of all these examples over the years.

The NFL is, first and foremost, an entertainment business. In my opinion, believing that these multi-billion-dollar entertainment empires known as sports leagues are willing to just let everything play out naturally without trying to subtly manipulate things toward what they know brings the most revenue is naive.


Good explanation. Did no official see the blatant holding by the Pats OLs throughout the 2nd half? Not ONE holding penalty?
RE: That big PI on Bouye was disgusting  
Victor in CT : 1/22/2018 11:45 am : link
In comment 13801000 FirstBallotEli said:
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I watch basically every pats game (best friend is a pats fan) and it's the same shit every week, they will always get every break in the world it's pretty incredible


agree. that one was a doozy.
RE: Just because someone questions the integrity of NFL officiating,  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2018 11:57 am : link
In comment 13800990 Mr. Bungle said:
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it doesn't mean that person is suggesting predetermined outcomes, outright fixes, and shadowy conspiracies. It also doesn't mean that person believes that there is no fair officiating in the NFL. It also doesn't mean that the person is claiming that great teams haven't earned much of their success.

What most people are saying is that during in-game conditions, too many officiating crews appear to be making (or withholding) some judgments and decisions (especially critical ones in close games) based on factors other than clear visual evidence and the rule book. When you keep seeing the same teams and players getting this suspicious treatment over the years, it's hard not to wonder what's going on.

There's an abundance of examples that suggest that NFL officiating mistakes are due to more than just human error, especially those that involve reviews and coach's challenges, when everything is slowed down and viewed from multiple angles. There are also far too many examples of an official staring right at a blatant penalty in the open field and not throwing a flag. I think it's reasonable to ask, "What the hell is going on?" in light of all these examples over the years.

The NFL is, first and foremost, an entertainment business. In my opinion, believing that these multi-billion-dollar entertainment empires known as sports leagues are willing to just let everything play out naturally without trying to subtly manipulate things toward what they know brings the most revenue is naive.


So you are in the camp that it is a conspiracy "to subtly manipulate things" toward a desired outcome? Doesn't that suggest league directed collusion?

And why does the Patriots winning yesterday generate more revenue for the league? Viewership for the Superbowl will fall off if the Patriots aren't in it? That is beyond silly.
RE: The bias..  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13800977 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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shown to teams with excellent reputations isn't one of intended bias or corruption. The perception clouds the refs judgement where they start to believe a team is too good to commit penalties or they subconsciously get the benefit of the doubt on close plays.

I was part of a study years ago that used various methods to prove this out and the results were undeniable. It is the same tenet that questions why Jordan or LeBron James get the calls or why other star players seemingly get away with penalties or fouls.

It is the human side of officiating that is inherently flawed, because our minds have been trained to expect certain things and it clouds judgment


If this is true, why was NE middle of the pack in penalties against this year? Why did this effect only take place in a playoff game?

I don't question what you say about biases for superstars in all sports because that exists. I have never heard it suggested for an entire team, especially in football where most of the players are unknown to the refs.
Wouldn't an intentional bias...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/22/2018 12:08 pm : link
be more indicative of a one game outlier??

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If this is true, why was NE middle of the pack in penalties against this year? Why did this effect only take place in a playoff game?


The Pats are still going to get called for penalties and infractions, but there is probably more leeway given if one believes there is a subconscious impact. And let's not act as if the regular season was free of controversy. They had disputed wins vs. the Jets and Bills.

Perception can alter what an official sees. Where you see a hold, the official may subconsciously think a Pats OL guy has perfect technique and not throw the flag.

By the way, the Pats were among the league leaders in non-subjective penalties such as illegal shifts and false starts/offsides.
Football isn't even on the same playing field as basketball  
Bill L : 1/22/2018 12:15 pm : link
(well, duh)

In basketball it's so bad and so blatant and so *real*, that their respective unions and the League Office have to get together to fix it. Biggest reason is that players respond to inequities and then officials take the response personal and factor their personal anger into their calls and then there are greater inequities...and so on...and so on...

I think in football it's more a case of incompetence or maybe laziness because they figure that the replay will do all the work.
RE: Wouldn't an intentional bias...  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2018 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13801063 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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be more indicative of a one game outlier??



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If this is true, why was NE middle of the pack in penalties against this year? Why did this effect only take place in a playoff game?



The Pats are still going to get called for penalties and infractions, but there is probably more leeway given if one believes there is a subconscious impact. And let's not act as if the regular season was free of controversy. They had disputed wins vs. the Jets and Bills.

Perception can alter what an official sees. Where you see a hold, the official may subconsciously think a Pats OL guy has perfect technique and not throw the flag.

By the way, the Pats were among the league leaders in non-subjective penalties such as illegal shifts and false starts/offsides.


Would the same apply in the inverse to a team like Cleveland, who would get more calls against them based on the expected level of futility? They were also middle of the road on penalties called in 2017.
Head white hat Clete Blakeman  
B in ALB : 1/22/2018 12:16 pm : link
Was the first to congratulate Brady and he couldn't hide his absolute glee that the Pats won the game at the end. It was bizarre.
It's the Sith Lord using one of  
Beer Man : 1/22/2018 12:17 pm : link
his Jedi mind tricks.

RE: RE: Just because someone questions the integrity of NFL officiating,  
Mr. Bungle : 1/22/2018 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13801038 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 13800990 Mr. Bungle said:


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it doesn't mean that person is suggesting predetermined outcomes, outright fixes, and shadowy conspiracies. It also doesn't mean that person believes that there is no fair officiating in the NFL. It also doesn't mean that the person is claiming that great teams haven't earned much of their success.

What most people are saying is that during in-game conditions, too many officiating crews appear to be making (or withholding) some judgments and decisions (especially critical ones in close games) based on factors other than clear visual evidence and the rule book. When you keep seeing the same teams and players getting this suspicious treatment over the years, it's hard not to wonder what's going on.

There's an abundance of examples that suggest that NFL officiating mistakes are due to more than just human error, especially those that involve reviews and coach's challenges, when everything is slowed down and viewed from multiple angles. There are also far too many examples of an official staring right at a blatant penalty in the open field and not throwing a flag. I think it's reasonable to ask, "What the hell is going on?" in light of all these examples over the years.

The NFL is, first and foremost, an entertainment business. In my opinion, believing that these multi-billion-dollar entertainment empires known as sports leagues are willing to just let everything play out naturally without trying to subtly manipulate things toward what they know brings the most revenue is naive.



So you are in the camp that it is a conspiracy "to subtly manipulate things" toward a desired outcome? Doesn't that suggest league directed collusion?

And why does the Patriots winning yesterday generate more revenue for the league? Viewership for the Superbowl will fall off if the Patriots aren't in it? That is beyond silly.

No and no.

You don't really seem worth discussing this with any further.
You can't look..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/22/2018 12:18 pm : link
at penalty totals and make conclusions. What if one team has 12 penalties that are all false starts and another team has 4 penalties that are subjective??

Looking at totals basically tells us little. Even looking at yardage can be misleading because a long PI can skew results, but a team with 6 penalties for 30 yards probably had less subjective calls than a team with 6 penalties for 97 yards.
RE: You lose all credibility complaining about the Jack play  
Eman11 : 1/22/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13800960 giants#1 said:
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they got that one correct. Jack is lying on his back in clear contact with Lewis. How did he get screwed out of the return?

And they let the Jags CBs (Bouye and Ramsey) get away with quite a bit of contact.


It was a bang bang play and Jack rolled over and got up quickly. I'm not so sure it was clear contact but maybe it was. However we've all seen plays where it looked like a knee was down or there was contact and the play was allowed to continue and let replay sort it out.

I'm not so sure the complaints are with them getting screwed by the result as they are about the quick whistle in the Pats favor and them getting the benefit of any possible doubt on the play.

In real time it certainly appeared to be a quick whistle to me and a play I wouldn't have questioned why they let it continue had they let it play out, and let replay sort it.
If anything, they'd be flagging against the Patriots  
exiled : 1/22/2018 12:51 pm : link
This endless Patriots success seems like it would be bad for football. Boring, predictable. No one outside of New England is interested in watching this team.
Jags lost because Bortles stinks  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/22/2018 1:00 pm : link
Yea, he can run but has poor field vision and does not go through his progressions fast enough,. He frequently will throw several bad passes in a row. He was a 1st round Franchise QB pick but I will take Webb over this guy. If the Jags had Brees instead the Pats would be watching the SB on TV.
RE: Jags lost because Bortles stinks  
Eman11 : 1/22/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13801213 Alwaysblue22 said:
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Yea, he can run but has poor field vision and does not go through his progressions fast enough,. He frequently will throw several bad passes in a row. He was a 1st round Franchise QB pick but I will take Webb over this guy. If the Jags had Brees instead the Pats would be watching the SB on TV.


C'mon. You might have some valid points but give credit where it's due. The guy played a good game yesterday, and throughout the playoffs. Didn't turn it over once and that's pretty damn impressive,IMO. Especially going into Pittsburgh and Foxboro.

RE: RE: RE: Just because someone questions the integrity of NFL officiating,  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13801099 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 13800990 Mr. Bungle said:
if the Patriots aren't in it? That is beyond silly.


No and no.

You don't really seem worth discussing this with any further.


Good rebuttal! Well thought out. You can put your tinfoil hat back on now, champ!
I hope the refs are blatantly in the Pats' pocket for this game  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2018 1:10 pm : link
And I'm not remotely ashamed to say so.
RE: Telling Stat  
djstat : 1/22/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13800953 wonderback said:
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Jacksonville: 98 yds on 10 penalties.

New England: 10 yds on 1 penalty.


Anybody who can't see this is blind!!!!
So 32 yards came on one pass interference call that was legit and 15 yards came on the personal foul to Gronk which was legit.

Maybe, just maybe the Jags committed more penalties..Stop crying.
RE: RE: Just because someone questions the integrity of NFL officiating,  
bradshaw44 : 1/22/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13801004 Victor in CT said:
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it doesn't mean that person is suggesting predetermined outcomes, outright fixes, and shadowy conspiracies. It also doesn't mean that person believes that there is no fair officiating in the NFL. It also doesn't mean that the person is claiming that great teams haven't earned much of their success.

What most people are saying is that during in-game conditions, too many officiating crews appear to be making (or withholding) some judgments and decisions (especially critical ones in close games) based on factors other than clear visual evidence and the rule book. When you keep seeing the same teams and players getting this suspicious treatment over the years, it's hard not to wonder what's going on.

There's an abundance of examples that suggest that NFL officiating mistakes are due to more than just human error, especially those that involve reviews and coach's challenges, when everything is slowed down and viewed from multiple angles. There are also far too many examples of an official staring right at a blatant penalty in the open field and not throwing a flag. I think it's reasonable to ask, "What the hell is going on?" in light of all these examples over the years.

The NFL is, first and foremost, an entertainment business. In my opinion, believing that these multi-billion-dollar entertainment empires known as sports leagues are willing to just let everything play out naturally without trying to subtly manipulate things toward what they know brings the most revenue is naive.



Good explanation. Did no official see the blatant holding by the Pats OLs throughout the 2nd half? Not ONE holding penalty?


Man, I think there was a 3rd down play during the Pats comeback where the RT literally had the DE for the Jags in a choke hold. I was screaming at the TV and many people at the bar saw it and agreed. Yet no call. It was maddening.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Just because someone questions the integrity of NFL officiating,  
Mr. Bungle : 1/22/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13801222 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 13800990 Mr. Bungle said:
if the Patriots aren't in it? That is beyond silly.


No and no.

You don't really seem worth discussing this with any further.



Good rebuttal! Well thought out. You can put your tinfoil hat back on now, champ!

Just proving my point further.

Try not to take such trivial things so personally. It's a childish look.
Giants fans should be thankful...  
GuzzaBlue : 1/22/2018 3:05 pm : link
Would you rather the Eagirls play the Jags in the SB?
I do feel like the Pats get the benefit  
Metnut : 1/22/2018 3:50 pm : link
of the doubt sometimes but let's be honest... it's not too much of a stretch to believe that the best coach in the history of football's teams commit far fewer penalties than their opponents.
first Pats TD  
giantfan2000 : 1/22/2018 3:57 pm : link
that PI penalty was horrible call

Jags had 5 PI penalties ALL Year and had 2 against NE

both guys were playing handies down the sideline and DB kept his position - WR ran himself out of bounds .. just a terrible call ..
The PI before the half  
section125 : 1/22/2018 4:05 pm : link
were Cooks ran out of bounds was a blown call. Once he stepped out he was ineligible to make a play on the ball, so they could not call PI.

Talked with a bunch of Pats fans today. They thought the hit on Gronk was bang-bang. Yes helmets hit, but so did shoulders. They said if Church went low he could have injured Gronks knees and everyone would have been screaming about intent to injure. Call was good by the letter of the law, but no way Church intentionally head butted Gronk. I don't like that penalty on bang-bang plays. It is ok when you aim at the head, but two guys colliding should be just football.

Jags did themselves in with the 3rd and 18 and the Ramsey PI in the 4th. Plus the OC was not aggressive enough in the 2nd half.
RE: RE: Telling Stat  
wonderback : 1/22/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13801244 djstat said:
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Jacksonville: 98 yds on 10 penalties.

New England: 10 yds on 1 penalty.


Anybody who can't see this is blind!!!!

So 32 yards came on one pass interference call that was legit and 15 yards came on the personal foul to Gronk which was legit.

Maybe, just maybe the Jags committed more penalties..Stop crying.


Who’s crying? Don’t be such a condescending dick. I merely pointed out the stat. You don’t think it’s hard to swallow that the Patriots only committed one infraction the whole game? Not one offensive holding call, which I know is extremely subjective, in the entire game? The league protects Brady. It’s obvious.
I’d like to see total number of penalties per game  
Carl in CT : 1/22/2018 5:00 pm : link
I bet the Pats had fewer penalties in 13 out of 18 games at least.
RE: RE: RE: Telling Stat  
allstarjim : 1/22/2018 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13801648 wonderback said:
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In comment 13800953 wonderback said:


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Jacksonville: 98 yds on 10 penalties.

New England: 10 yds on 1 penalty.


Anybody who can't see this is blind!!!!

So 32 yards came on one pass interference call that was legit and 15 yards came on the personal foul to Gronk which was legit.

Maybe, just maybe the Jags committed more penalties..Stop crying.



Who’s crying? Don’t be such a condescending dick. I merely pointed out the stat. You don’t think it’s hard to swallow that the Patriots only committed one infraction the whole game? Not one offensive holding call, which I know is extremely subjective, in the entire game? The league protects Brady. It’s obvious.


Dion Lewis got a first down on 3rd and 9, when the Jags would've gotten the ball back if they made the stop. There was an obvious and egregious hold on that play by Dwayne Allen #83 on Jaguars' LB #50 Telvin Smith that should've backed them up to 3rd and 19. Had it not been for the hold, there is a very good chance Smith makes that tackle and the Patriots punt, giving the Jaguars about 90 seconds to score with no timeouts. It would've been a tall order, but they would've had a chance. The refs blew that call and robbed them of that chance.

The Myles Jack play I have no issue with. It was very close and when I saw it live I didn't even know if the runner was down before the ball came out or if Jack was touched down even if it was a fumble. That's so close you can't criticize the refs on that...very hard to see what happened there.

The hold on Allen should've been very easy to see, and the referee didn't throw it, and he probably saw it and didn't throw it. And the reason for that is because officials don't want to inject their influence too much near the end of the game and decide it on penalties. But it was just as bad not throwing it when it is a clear penalty. I don't think there is pro-New England bias by officials. But they do deserve criticism for some calls in this game, and they did cost the Jaguars, even if they weren't the only reason the Jags lost.
Btw  
allstarjim : 1/22/2018 5:40 pm : link
here is a video of that final play. You can clearly see the hold by #83 on #50. Also, #39, Tashaun Gipson, with terrible effort on the game's most important play, just throws a shoulder into the FB. If he tries at all to sidestep that block he has a chance to stop Lewis in the backfield for a loss.
Here is the video:  
allstarjim : 1/22/2018 5:40 pm : link
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000908796/Pats-sideline-ERUPTS-after-Dion-Lewis-run-clinches-another-Super-Bowl-berth
RE: The bias..  
NikkiMac : 1/22/2018 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13800977 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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shown to teams with excellent reputations isn't one of intended bias or corruption. The perception clouds the refs judgement where they start to believe a team is too good to commit penalties or they subconsciously get the benefit of the doubt on close plays.

I was part of a study years ago that used various methods to prove this out and the results were undeniable. It is the same tenet that questions why Jordan or LeBron James get the calls or why other star players seemingly get away with penalties or fouls.

It is the human side of officiating that is inherently flawed, because our minds have been trained to expect certain things and it clouds judgment


good post !
Damn refs!  
Doomster : 1/22/2018 8:58 pm : link
They don't know what a pass reception is....

And apparently they don't know what a fumble is....

They obviously colluded to call that a fumble against the Pats.....
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