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Patricia chose Lions over Giants....

Mike in St. Louis : 1/22/2018 1:49 pm
according to Myers/NYDN (I know, consider the source)...

"As Myers outlined in the piece, the Lions offer some distinct advantages with ownership as well as a general manager Bob Quinn, whom he feels comfortable working with.

According to a different report, Patricia didn't want to coach in a media fishbowl like the Giants provide, which is the reason he chose the Lions instead. Regardless of the reason, the decision has been made and some in New York are still frustrated and struggling to completely understand."

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Myers has absolutely no credibility  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2018 1:51 pm : link
Which was reinforced by the way he apparently twisted Holmgren's quote on Shurmur.
Myers  
ryanmkeane : 1/22/2018 1:52 pm : link
really can't let this go. He's the fucking worst.
Slide > Meyers  
DennyInDenville : 1/22/2018 1:52 pm : link
Imo.
Slade > Meyers  
DennyInDenville : 1/22/2018 1:53 pm : link
***
Not a fan of Myers  
Thegratefulhead : 1/22/2018 1:53 pm : link
The Giants job was not the best one out there and Myers reasons are very sound in this case.
Lions have a QB  
mdc1 : 1/22/2018 1:54 pm : link
with more headroom? Patricia seems like a smart guy looking out for the his headroom in terms of NFL headroom. Look at Dabol bouncing around from NFL to college. Shit is not funny when dealing with a job and family to support.
Stop quoting the dailynews  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2018 1:54 pm : link
This is the same guy who said Patricia wanted the giants and the giants wanted him...
"Struggling to completely understand?"  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2018 1:55 pm : link
Could he be any more dramatic? An awful lot of angst over Matt Patricia.
This screams sour grapes  
bLiTz 2k : 1/22/2018 1:55 pm : link
from a writer with no credibility. Not one person here will know if Patricia or anyone else was rated about Shurmur...YAWN
sorry  
mdc1 : 1/22/2018 1:55 pm : link
analytic types (Patricia) know how to plan out their headroom in terms of how things play out long term. Versus guys that seize the moment and fail (McAdoo, etc).
even if it's true (BIG IF considering he source), until proven  
Victor in CT : 1/22/2018 1:59 pm : link
otherwise, Belichick is the architect of all things New England, Patricia is a secretary.
even if it's true  
djm : 1/22/2018 2:03 pm : link
who cares?
It was pretty widely reported  
allstarjim : 1/22/2018 2:06 pm : link
That Patricia was the lead candidate. Shurmur's name only became the lead candidate AFTER the story broke that Patricia was likely to become the Lions next coach.

We are totally biased about which is the better job. If I was in Patricia's shoes, I would choose the team that gave me the best chance to have early success. It's his first head coaching job, and if you don't win early perceptions can quickly change about you as a coach. The worst record the Lions have had in the last 5 years is 7-9 (twice). They have been 11-5 and 9-7 (twice) in that same span. The have been to the playoffs twice. And they have Matt Stafford, who will play his age 30 season next year and is a much better bet to win in the near term than either Eli or a rookie QB. To top it off he had the existing relationship with Bob Quinn.

He chose the better job, whether we like to think so or not.
He’s full of shit  
Rflairr : 1/22/2018 2:11 pm : link
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Who cares  
JonC : 1/22/2018 2:12 pm : link
don't be so sensitive and take it personally.
I agree  
upstatenyg : 1/22/2018 2:13 pm : link
that Patricia took the better job for him. Never been a HC, and Stafford is younger.

The owners likely told the new HC of the Giants they had to keep Eli, etc.

Did he really want to risk getting shackeled by that vs getting a chance to work with stafford over the next 5 years??

+ who really cares, since he is an unknow when it comes to coaching.
Inventing drama where there isn’t any  
mfsd : 1/22/2018 2:15 pm : link
it’s a competitive marketplace with multiple job openings and top candidates...rarely do these things go exactly according to plan. We’ll see how they all turn out, but Schurmur sounds like a solid choice
LOL...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/22/2018 2:16 pm : link
Gary Myers.

First of all, this isn't a NYDN piece  
LG in NYC : 1/22/2018 2:17 pm : link
it is a CBS Sports re-hash of the earlier Myers article which was already linked here.

Myers is my least favorite columnist/reporter out there so I have no interest in defending him, but is this so hard to believe. Patricia didn't apparently choose the Lions b/c the Giants suck, etc.

He chose a familiar face in the GM and a town that is less of a media fishbowl. His decision. ok.

I have no idea what is true and what isn't but the way people here are offended and reacting is a bit much, IMO.
I think this was pretty much expected right from the get go.  
Blue21 : 1/22/2018 2:18 pm : link
Same for McDaniels to the Colts. Giants really had the choice between Shurmur and Wilks. I think Wilks lost out to Shumurs experience.
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Banks : 1/22/2018 2:18 pm : link
honestly don't care even if it's true. I preferred Shurmur. It'll be interesting to see how Patricia does outside of NE though.
Even if it’s true..  
Sean : 1/22/2018 2:18 pm : link
It just shows Patricia isn’t meant to be the coach here.
My favorite was McDaniels  
allstarjim : 1/22/2018 2:19 pm : link
And my 2nd choice was Patricia. But in the end, who cares? All of them could succeed, all of them could fail. Of course I'm going to be excited about the positives associated with Shurmur and hope he turns this thing around and is a wild success.
This is Myers trying to save face  
montanagiant : 1/22/2018 2:23 pm : link
Over being completely wrong about the whole HC search. Just another make-believe story on his part
Would this article be written today if the roles were reversed....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/22/2018 2:25 pm : link
....and Shurmur's team produced a winning result and Patricia's team produced a losing result?
I can understand Patricia  
Beer Man : 1/22/2018 2:26 pm : link
choosing the Lions. Young coach, first HC gig, do you want to jump right into the NY media pressure cooker, or take the reins of a team in a smaller market that is more forgiving, and where you will be working with people that you know and are comfortable with. If he was a seasoned HC, maybe he would have chosen different.

Not to mention, the 2017 Giants where a complete disorganized disaster. I'm sure he saw how it ate up Mac, and probably set Mac back years (Mac may never see another HC gig)
So the NY media is whining that Patricia didn't want the NY media?  
DonQuixote : 1/22/2018 2:28 pm : link
Maybe he has a point.
It sounds good to me  
Bill L : 1/22/2018 2:30 pm : link
if a guy is scared about scrutiny, he probably wouldn't survive well here anyway. And maybe that impacts his risk-taking ability while coaching.

It's probably an imperfect analogy but we here (with Eli in particular) and also in Boston (thinking someone like Carl Crawford or Adrian Gonzalez with the Red Sox) value (Eli) players who can thrive in the spotlight and rue (Crawford, Gonzalez) those who wilt under it to the point where they cannot perform.

Coaches are probably not so different.

So, maybe we dodged a bullet with Patricia.

Also, media fishbowl almost always is positively correlated with fan passion and that invariably is associated with things like proactive management, free-spending owners, (usually) a history of winning and a storied, historical team/organization culture. Why would anyone want to duck that?
RE: It sounds good to me  
Beer Man : 1/22/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13801383 Bill L said:
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if a guy is scared about scrutiny, he probably wouldn't survive well here anyway. And maybe that impacts his risk-taking ability while coaching.

It's probably an imperfect analogy but we here (with Eli in particular) and also in Boston (thinking someone like Carl Crawford or Adrian Gonzalez with the Red Sox) value (Eli) players who can thrive in the spotlight and rue (Crawford, Gonzalez) those who wilt under it to the point where they cannot perform.

Coaches are probably not so different.

So, maybe we dodged a bullet with Patricia.

Also, media fishbowl almost always is positively correlated with fan passion and that invariably is associated with things like proactive management, free-spending owners, (usually) a history of winning and a storied, historical team/organization culture. Why would anyone want to duck that?
Ask Mac that question.
RE: Who cares  
BillKo : 1/22/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13801341 JonC said:
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don't be so sensitive and take it personally.


Exactly. So the Lions are in a bit better spot than us.

They've never been to a SB, and we have four trophies. During those times, we were better than they were.

Cyclical.
Gee that's too bad  
ghost718 : 1/22/2018 2:33 pm : link
I'm all broken up over it
I'm not sure that's technically correct  
Bill L : 1/22/2018 2:34 pm : link
we still have 4 trophies and they still have none. It's not much of a cycle.
LOL  
aka dbrny : 1/22/2018 2:34 pm : link
written by one of the most annoying fish in the fishbowl...oh the irony
But Slade said  
djstat : 1/22/2018 2:34 pm : link
Bill Belichick was going to be the next HC of NYG
It is probably a more attractive location in some ways for a first  
Heisenberg : 1/22/2018 2:35 pm : link
time coach. Less media responsibility, less drama in what to do with the QB position. Plus the FO connection with the GM.

There's no reason to take offense to it.
RE: But Slade said  
Jay on the Island : 1/22/2018 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13801394 djstat said:
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Bill Belichick was going to be the next HC of NYG

And then he said Spagnuolo was going to return as DC. That was after he said Sam Darnold was going back to USC. Which came after he said that McAdoo would be fired immediately after the SF game if the Giants lost. etc.
So, what GM is saying is that Patricia  
robbieballs2003 : 1/22/2018 2:46 pm : link
chose the Lions over the Giants because of pieces of shit like him? Hahaha.
RE: I'm not sure that's technically correct  
allstarjim : 1/22/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13801392 Bill L said:
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we still have 4 trophies and they still have none. It's not much of a cycle.


Yeah and the last one was 7 years ago and not really relevant anymore to where a coach would want to go.

Detroit is closer than we are right now, even if we just for the reason of Matthew Stafford.
Are the Lions really closer?  
RollBlue : 1/22/2018 3:08 pm : link
would one have made that assessment one year ago? A lot can change in one offseason.

With better health and coaching (heck, just better health), I'll take the Giants over the Lions. Good chance the Giants will also have the next franchise QB in the fold this Fall also.
I think Mara wanted a guy with HC experience  
Rflairr : 1/22/2018 3:15 pm : link
Which why I just don’t buy Patricia was their first choice. Also let’s be real here. If B.B. is his mentor, we know which job Bellichick would have told him to take

I bet this wasn’t a requirement for Gettleman but, I think you had to be super impressive to get Mara on board after McAdoo
I must have fallen asleep during Millenials 101. What the heck is  
Ivan15 : 1/22/2018 3:18 pm : link
"headroom"?
RE: Are the Lions really closer?  
allstarjim : 1/22/2018 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13801456 RollBlue said:
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would one have made that assessment one year ago? A lot can change in one offseason.

With better health and coaching (heck, just better health), I'll take the Giants over the Lions. Good chance the Giants will also have the next franchise QB in the fold this Fall also.


Yes. I would've made that assessment a year ago. I never had any real hopes that the Giants were going to make a run last year. Their offense was miserable and infuriating. The defense won games by themselves in a couple of cases. The offense last year was just as bad as this year and there was no reason to think that they were a legitimate contender. I do think the Giants can get back to respectability very quickly. But I don't think they will ever contend again with Eli. If they do it will need to be a team that can dominate running the football.

The Lions are definitely closer than we are.
RE: Myers has absolutely no credibility  
TMS : 1/22/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13801297 Greg from LI said:
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Which was reinforced by the way he apparently twisted Holmgren's quote on Shurmur.
Myers is a hack who uses fake news or anything else to justify his existence. Let him show documentation for this BS. He is just trying to write a column. Scumbag of the highest order.
What s comical about  
joeinpa : 1/22/2018 4:00 pm : link
Myers is how he won t let this go. Post took a shot at him so first he went on the FAN to defend himself, now this.

For a guy who dishes out a bunch of crap he sure can't take it.
Myers is pissed off at how wrong he was.  
an_idol_mind : 1/22/2018 4:25 pm : link
When other reports suggested that Patricia wasn't the Giants' top choice, he kept doubling down and insisting that he was in the know.

Not only was he wrong that Patricia was coming to the Giants, but other reports suggest that he was never the Giants' top choice. So he's beating the drum about Patricia turning the Giants down despite the fact that he also reported it as essentially a done deal, saying both sides wanted each other.

I would put money on Myers giving Shurmur the Tom Coughlin treatment for as long as he's here. He already twisted words to make it seem like Mike Holmgren was bashing him. He's butthurt about this, and he'll never let it go.
If it is true,  
smshmth8690 : 1/22/2018 4:31 pm : link
he wouldn't have been the right guy for the job.
Look.  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/22/2018 4:57 pm : link
I know I'm batting only around .500 around here with my contacts but they are legitimate.

Two independent people who work for NFL agents told me the search really ended once Shurmur was interviewed. It went that well. Look in the archives the day after the interview I posted it here.

These guys all talk to each other constantly to try to predict how things are going to shake out so they can advise their clients accordingly. It was common knowledge among the agents that Shurmur was the guy.

I mean how can it be that a guy like Myers whose job is literally to cultivate real relationships for info about the Giants can be so bad at it that a guy like me just falls into it and gets infinitely better information?
JFC  
UESBLUE : 1/22/2018 5:05 pm : link
move on already.
RE: Look.  
allstarjim : 1/22/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13801665 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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I know I'm batting only around .500 around here with my contacts but they are legitimate.

Two independent people who work for NFL agents told me the search really ended once Shurmur was interviewed. It went that well. Look in the archives the day after the interview I posted it here.

These guys all talk to each other constantly to try to predict how things are going to shake out so they can advise their clients accordingly. It was common knowledge among the agents that Shurmur was the guy.

I mean how can it be that a guy like Myers whose job is literally to cultivate real relationships for info about the Giants can be so bad at it that a guy like me just falls into it and gets infinitely better information?


Thanks for posting this. It's awesome to hear that he really killed it.
Limerick  
LG in NYC : 1/22/2018 5:14 pm : link
I really hope that is true.

I love the idea that PS came in and knocked it out of the park - I want all of these guys (owner, GM, HC) to be in lockstep with each other as they embark on cleaning up this mess.

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