according to Myers/NYDN (I know, consider the source)...
"As Myers outlined in the piece, the Lions offer some distinct advantages with ownership as well as a general manager Bob Quinn, whom he feels comfortable working with.
According to a different report, Patricia didn't want to coach in a media fishbowl like the Giants provide, which is the reason he chose the Lions instead. Regardless of the reason, the decision has been made and some in New York are still frustrated and struggling to completely understand."
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We are totally biased about which is the better job. If I was in Patricia's shoes, I would choose the team that gave me the best chance to have early success. It's his first head coaching job, and if you don't win early perceptions can quickly change about you as a coach. The worst record the Lions have had in the last 5 years is 7-9 (twice). They have been 11-5 and 9-7 (twice) in that same span. The have been to the playoffs twice. And they have Matt Stafford, who will play his age 30 season next year and is a much better bet to win in the near term than either Eli or a rookie QB. To top it off he had the existing relationship with Bob Quinn.
He chose the better job, whether we like to think so or not.
The owners likely told the new HC of the Giants they had to keep Eli, etc.
Did he really want to risk getting shackeled by that vs getting a chance to work with stafford over the next 5 years??
+ who really cares, since he is an unknow when it comes to coaching.
Myers is my least favorite columnist/reporter out there so I have no interest in defending him, but is this so hard to believe. Patricia didn't apparently choose the Lions b/c the Giants suck, etc.
He chose a familiar face in the GM and a town that is less of a media fishbowl. His decision. ok.
I have no idea what is true and what isn't but the way people here are offended and reacting is a bit much, IMO.
Not to mention, the 2017 Giants where a complete disorganized disaster. I'm sure he saw how it ate up Mac, and probably set Mac back years (Mac may never see another HC gig)
It's probably an imperfect analogy but we here (with Eli in particular) and also in Boston (thinking someone like Carl Crawford or Adrian Gonzalez with the Red Sox) value (Eli) players who can thrive in the spotlight and rue (Crawford, Gonzalez) those who wilt under it to the point where they cannot perform.
Coaches are probably not so different.
So, maybe we dodged a bullet with Patricia.
Also, media fishbowl almost always is positively correlated with fan passion and that invariably is associated with things like proactive management, free-spending owners, (usually) a history of winning and a storied, historical team/organization culture. Why would anyone want to duck that?
It's probably an imperfect analogy but we here (with Eli in particular) and also in Boston (thinking someone like Carl Crawford or Adrian Gonzalez with the Red Sox) value (Eli) players who can thrive in the spotlight and rue (Crawford, Gonzalez) those who wilt under it to the point where they cannot perform.
Coaches are probably not so different.
So, maybe we dodged a bullet with Patricia.
Also, media fishbowl almost always is positively correlated with fan passion and that invariably is associated with things like proactive management, free-spending owners, (usually) a history of winning and a storied, historical team/organization culture. Why would anyone want to duck that?
Exactly. So the Lions are in a bit better spot than us.
They've never been to a SB, and we have four trophies. During those times, we were better than they were.
Cyclical.
There's no reason to take offense to it.
And then he said Spagnuolo was going to return as DC. That was after he said Sam Darnold was going back to USC. Which came after he said that McAdoo would be fired immediately after the SF game if the Giants lost. etc.
Yeah and the last one was 7 years ago and not really relevant anymore to where a coach would want to go.
Detroit is closer than we are right now, even if we just for the reason of Matthew Stafford.
With better health and coaching (heck, just better health), I'll take the Giants over the Lions. Good chance the Giants will also have the next franchise QB in the fold this Fall also.
I bet this wasn’t a requirement for Gettleman but, I think you had to be super impressive to get Mara on board after McAdoo
With better health and coaching (heck, just better health), I'll take the Giants over the Lions. Good chance the Giants will also have the next franchise QB in the fold this Fall also.
Yes. I would've made that assessment a year ago. I never had any real hopes that the Giants were going to make a run last year. Their offense was miserable and infuriating. The defense won games by themselves in a couple of cases. The offense last year was just as bad as this year and there was no reason to think that they were a legitimate contender. I do think the Giants can get back to respectability very quickly. But I don't think they will ever contend again with Eli. If they do it will need to be a team that can dominate running the football.
The Lions are definitely closer than we are.
For a guy who dishes out a bunch of crap he sure can't take it.
Not only was he wrong that Patricia was coming to the Giants, but other reports suggest that he was never the Giants' top choice. So he's beating the drum about Patricia turning the Giants down despite the fact that he also reported it as essentially a done deal, saying both sides wanted each other.
I would put money on Myers giving Shurmur the Tom Coughlin treatment for as long as he's here. He already twisted words to make it seem like Mike Holmgren was bashing him. He's butthurt about this, and he'll never let it go.
Two independent people who work for NFL agents told me the search really ended once Shurmur was interviewed. It went that well. Look in the archives the day after the interview I posted it here.
These guys all talk to each other constantly to try to predict how things are going to shake out so they can advise their clients accordingly. It was common knowledge among the agents that Shurmur was the guy.
I mean how can it be that a guy like Myers whose job is literally to cultivate real relationships for info about the Giants can be so bad at it that a guy like me just falls into it and gets infinitely better information?
Two independent people who work for NFL agents told me the search really ended once Shurmur was interviewed. It went that well. Look in the archives the day after the interview I posted it here.
These guys all talk to each other constantly to try to predict how things are going to shake out so they can advise their clients accordingly. It was common knowledge among the agents that Shurmur was the guy.
I mean how can it be that a guy like Myers whose job is literally to cultivate real relationships for info about the Giants can be so bad at it that a guy like me just falls into it and gets infinitely better information?
Thanks for posting this. It's awesome to hear that he really killed it.
I love the idea that PS came in and knocked it out of the park - I want all of these guys (owner, GM, HC) to be in lockstep with each other as they embark on cleaning up this mess.