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battttles : 1/23/2018 11:37 am
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RE: RE: RE: Move to a 3-4 isn't as hard as  
jeff57 : 1/23/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13803022 Jon in NYC said:
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some make it seem.

JPP-Snacks-Tomlinson
Kennard-Goodson-??-Vernon

Need one player, and could probably use an upgrade over Kennard.



Tomlinson can't play end. Not mobile enough.



Guess again. It's what he played at Alabama.


He did play inside and outside. But it's different in the pros. Don't know if he'd be suited for it.
Del Rio and Bettcher?  
SLIM_ : 1/23/2018 1:09 pm : link
It's getting late in the game. A lot of teams now have their staff assembled. Is it possible to bring in both. I love the thought of having a guy who coordinated successful defenses but didn't have a lot of success as an HC as you could keep him for years. (I was hoping after 2016, that we can follow that model with Spags). Also a big fan of bringing in as many talented coaches that you can find.

Can Del Rio be assistant head coach and Bettcher DC? Del Rio can assist Shurmur in a lot of the HC responsibilities (time management, etc) as Shurmur wants to call the plays.
agree with arcarsenal, I think Tomlinson would have no trouble  
Victor in CT : 1/23/2018 1:11 pm : link
playing 2-gap DE.

BUT, can Vernon actually play OLB? And what to do with JPP? I don't see him as having the game or the will to 2-gap, and seriously despite my joke earlier, how can you 2-gap with 1 hand? They aren't that good as 4-3 DEs either, so maybe it doesn't matter. In any case, hey are stuck with them for at least 1 more year.
Him or  
muhajir : 1/23/2018 1:23 pm : link
Del Rio would be really good hires. And we would have a great 3-4 defense if we switched. We already have two NTs (Snacks and Tomlinson), and Vernon and JPP would be sick rush OLBrs.
Even Avery Moss might be a good fit at OLB. Need another big boy DE to man the line. But wouldn't be a hard transition to that Defense at all.
RE: Even after we'd been in the 4-3 for years  
mfsd : 1/23/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13802925 Phil in LA said:
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we kept drafting "hybrids" like Torbor and Sintim and trying to make them into 4-3 LB's, instead of letting them rush the passer. Never made any sense.


Good point - who was the former Giants LB who posted on BBI a little while back, may have been a Q&A?

IIRC he essentially said this too - a guy like Sintim was a talented player, but the Giants drafted him with no plan to maximize his talents, instead shoe-horned him into a role that exposed his weaknesses
Vernon played some OLB at Miami, didn't he?  
Greg from LI : 1/23/2018 1:26 pm : link
I have no idea if he was any good in that role, but I think he did it.
RE: RE: Even after we'd been in the 4-3 for years  
Greg from LI : 1/23/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13803102 mfsd said:
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Good point - who was the former Giants LB who posted on BBI a little while back, may have been a Q&A?

IIRC he essentially said this too - a guy like Sintim was a talented player, but the Giants drafted him with no plan to maximize his talents, instead shoe-horned him into a role that exposed his weaknesses


That was Bryan Kehl. And he was absolutely right about Sintim - I'm the biggest UVA homer here by far, and I loved Clint Sintim, but he was completely miscast as a 4-3 OLB and I said so the day they drafted him. He was a 3-4 pass rusher from day 1 at Virginia and he excelled at it. He never was asked to play in space and there was no reason to think he could do it. They set him up to fail. Had he been drafted by, say, the Steelers (and not torn his knee up), he would have been a success.
RE: Vernon played some OLB at Miami, didn't he?  
arcarsenal : 1/23/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13803105 Greg from LI said:
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I have no idea if he was any good in that role, but I think he did it.


They did move him around a bit - I know they would sometimes line him up as a LBer over the top and have him shoot the A-gap. It seemed to work well when they used his versatility.
Wow  
Jay on the Island : 1/23/2018 1:42 pm : link
I would be thrilled with either or Del Rio. I wasnt expecting the Giants to work so hard to hire a big name DC but they are doing it. Bettcher is a very good DC and he would be a big upgrade over Spags.
So the Del Rio rumors  
Rflairr : 1/23/2018 1:49 pm : link
Are BS?
Interview is happening TODAY....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/23/2018 2:19 pm : link
....at the Senior Bowl.
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RE: RE: RE: Isn't Arizona a 3-4 team  
Beer Man : 1/23/2018 2:26 pm : link
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I believe they are!

And this on the heels of the Giants looking at LBs at the Senior Bowl...

CUE SPECULATION!



Giants need 3 new LBs just to play a 4-3.
Not to mention the team has two extremely high-priced 4-3 DEs that can't be jettisoned without significant salary cap impact
Great article on Bettcher from Sports Illustrated....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/23/2018 2:27 pm : link
....from earlier this month. They had him as a serious HC candidate. This would be a great hire.
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Even though Vernon is a bit undersized as a 3-4 DE, I would rather see  
Ivan15 : 1/23/2018 3:12 pm : link
Him at DE and the one handed JPP at rush LB, assuming JPP didnt lose his quickness along with his fingers.

Vernon played very well as a 3-4 DE in Miami. In fact, thats why NYG gave him a big contract.

How about 89 year old Dick Lebeau  
Carson53 : 1/23/2018 3:12 pm : link
No love for octogenarians?
Only issue on Bettcher is  
twostepgiants : 1/23/2018 3:17 pm : link
He wont last long. This guy will be a HC somewhere soon if he finds any success.
RE: How about 89 year old Dick Lebeau  
Greg from LI : 1/23/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13803261 Carson53 said:
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No love for octogenarians?


He's 80, not 89
I thought of that too....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/23/2018 3:21 pm : link
....but the AZ brass didn't think he was a HC yet.
Let's get Marv Levy in here too.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/23/2018 3:21 pm : link
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It's funny..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/23/2018 3:34 pm : link
how Del Rio is getting lambasted for being a retread and a stale name when most of BBI would sign up for 80 year old Dick LeBeau or Wade Phillips for DC (and rightfully so).
RE: How about 89 year old Dick Lebeau  
HomerJones45 : 1/23/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13803261 Carson53 said:
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No love for octogenarians?
Jesus, I remember when Dick Lebeau was playing for the Lions.
RE: Only issue on Bettcher is  
Justlurking : 1/23/2018 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13803267 twostepgiants said:
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He wont last long. This guy will be a HC somewhere soon if he finds any success.


nice problem to have...
People always want the young guy..  
Sean : 1/23/2018 3:56 pm : link
But with success, the young guy will leave for the head gig.
The other thing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/23/2018 4:01 pm : link
about the young guy is that people who never heard of him 6 months ago want to sign up for him because he's discussed as a "hot prospect". Then they act like this guy is a can't miss coach who they have championed all along.

Bettcher is a solid DC. Del Rio has been a solid DC. Not sure why one guy has to be trashed to elevate another guy, especially by people who didn't even hear his name prior to a couple weeks ago.
Who trashed Del Rio?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/23/2018 4:13 pm : link
I think he would be a great addition as well.
I get that you need different personnel  
81_Great_Dane : 1/23/2018 4:20 pm : link
for a 3-4 vs a 4-3, so it matters which is your base defense, but (as someone else observed on BBI) modern defenses aren't strictly one or the other. Sometimes they show a 4-3 look, sometimes a 3-4.

Given the Giants' tradition of great linebackers and the crummy LB play of recent years, I understand the desire to get back to standout linebackers. I happen to prefer the 4-3, which is supposed to be better against the pass, but I really don't care how the players line up as long as the D is good and the Giants are winning.

I think it was a BBIer who said worrying about whether a DC runs a 4-3 or a 3-4 is like worrying about whether an OC runs an "I-formation" offense.
Tennessee is interviewing him today at the Senior Bowl as well....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/23/2018 4:22 pm : link
....and they already run a 3-4 defense.
RE: Tennessee is interviewing him today at the Senior Bowl as well....  
shyster : 1/23/2018 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13803370 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....and they already run a 3-4 defense.


True, but with Titans he'd be a former linebacker coach working under a head coach who is a former linebacker.

With NYG, he'd be "the" D guy.

Depends what he wants.

As for possibility he'd be moving on to be a HC, yes, there's that, so you have to hope he'll attract good position assistants.
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arcarsenal : 1/23/2018 5:24 pm : link
Why are people so worried about the coordinator leaving for a new job?

If that happens, it means we hired the right guy.

Shouldn't we all want the next Pat Shurmur to be our OC? That's kind of the idea here.

The goal isn't to find a coordinator who we don't have to worry about leaving us.. we just did that with Spagnuolo.

The goal is to find the guy who does his job the best.
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Sean : 1/23/2018 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13803448 arcarsenal said:
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Why are people so worried about the coordinator leaving for a new job?

If that happens, it means we hired the right guy.

Shouldn't we all want the next Pat Shurmur to be our OC? That's kind of the idea here.

The goal isn't to find a coordinator who we don't have to worry about leaving us.. we just did that with Spagnuolo.

The goal is to find the guy who does his job the best.


It goes both ways. There is a lot of value to what the Rams have with Wade Phillips as DC, or what the Panthers may potentially have with Norv Turner as OC. Excellent coordinators who will be there for as long as they are performing. Im all for the young guy, but one & done would be frustrating. Remember Spags to Sheridan?
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arcarsenal : 1/23/2018 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13803452 Sean said:
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Why are people so worried about the coordinator leaving for a new job?

If that happens, it means we hired the right guy.

Shouldn't we all want the next Pat Shurmur to be our OC? That's kind of the idea here.

The goal isn't to find a coordinator who we don't have to worry about leaving us.. we just did that with Spagnuolo.

The goal is to find the guy who does his job the best.



It goes both ways. There is a lot of value to what the Rams have with Wade Phillips as DC, or what the Panthers may potentially have with Norv Turner as OC. Excellent coordinators who will be there for as long as they are performing. Im all for the young guy, but one & done would be frustrating. Remember Spags to Sheridan?


Del Rio is probably the closest we can get to a Wade/Norv type of coordinator.

My point is that I wouldn't pass on a guy because I was worried he might leave if he sees success here. All that means is that we fielded an impressive defense and probably won a bunch of games (unless the offense is horrendous again)

I'm personally more concerned with results than how long the guy can stay here if we get them.

If you told me Del Rio would come here and field an average defense for the next 5 years or Bettcher would come here and field a top 5 unit but would leave after next season or the season after, I'd still sign up for that instead.
probably said already  
mdc1 : 1/23/2018 5:36 pm : link
but what are the results of his D against our division opponents?
RE: RE: How about 89 year old Dick Lebeau  
Carson53 : 1/23/2018 6:00 pm : link
In comment 13803277 Greg from LI said:
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No love for octogenarians?



He's 80, not 89
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Ever heard of a thing called a joke...
Excellent coach.  
One Man Thrill Ride : 1/23/2018 6:10 pm : link
Converting to a 3-4 would be a pretty smooth process, plus the popularity of the 4-3 creates a fruitful market of overlooked 3-4 specialists.

A front consisting of Tomlinson, Harrison, and JPP would be a really strong foundation. JPP, for all his high effort and hustle, never developed as a well-rounded edge rusher. Obviously the hand injury further marginalized him. But he still battles and anchors vs the run, and he still infects passing with his length.

Asking him to bulk up a bit could reinvigorate his career and also rescue his multi-year deal from being a total sunk cost. And he could he still contribute as a storng side rusher or interior rusher in passing situation when we might use 4 DL.

I thought Del Rio was a great fit  
Rflairr : 1/23/2018 6:29 pm : link
But I guess that was all just typical ESPN BS
RE: RE: RE: How about 89 year old Dick Lebeau  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2018 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13803481 Carson53 said:
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No love for octogenarians?



He's 80, not 89

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Ever heard of a thing called a joke...

Would it have been so difficult to be honest and admit that the 9 is right next to the 0 on your keyboard?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/23/2018 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13803448 arcarsenal said:
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Why are people so worried about the coordinator leaving for a new job?

If that happens, it means we hired the right guy.

Shouldn't we all want the next Pat Shurmur to be our OC? That's kind of the idea here.

The goal isn't to find a coordinator who we don't have to worry about leaving us.. we just did that with Spagnuolo.

The goal is to find the guy who does his job the best.


True, but the turnover sucks. As hard as it is to find a good coordinator, you hate to have to change your defense every other year.
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arcarsenal : 1/23/2018 7:04 pm : link
In comment 13803529 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13803448 arcarsenal said:


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Why are people so worried about the coordinator leaving for a new job?

If that happens, it means we hired the right guy.

Shouldn't we all want the next Pat Shurmur to be our OC? That's kind of the idea here.

The goal isn't to find a coordinator who we don't have to worry about leaving us.. we just did that with Spagnuolo.

The goal is to find the guy who does his job the best.



True, but the turnover sucks. As hard as it is to find a good coordinator, you hate to have to change your defense every other year.


Of course - I just wouldn't use it as a "negative" or a reason why I wouldn't hire someone.

If I'm really worried about losing the guy, it means I have strong convictions about what he can do and the results he can get - which is all that matters.

If he does admirably well here and gets an elevated gig elsewhere - so be it.
RE: Excellent coach.  
chopperhatch : 1/23/2018 7:24 pm : link
In comment 13803494 One Man Thrill Ride said:
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Converting to a 3-4 would be a pretty smooth process, plus the popularity of the 4-3 creates a fruitful market of overlooked 3-4 specialists.

A front consisting of Tomlinson, Harrison, and JPP would be a really strong foundation. JPP, for all his high effort and hustle, never developed as a well-rounded edge rusher. Obviously the hand injury further marginalized him. But he still battles and anchors vs the run, and he still infects passing with his length.

Asking him to bulk up a bit could reinvigorate his career and also rescue his multi-year deal from being a total sunk cost. And he could he still contribute as a storng side rusher or interior rusher in passing situation when we might use 4 DL.


Has The Thrill Ride abandoned the 3rd person schtick? Lol
So Spags job isn't guaranteed....  
Fishmanjim57 : 1/23/2018 8:11 pm : link
I wouldn't mind moving on from him. Last season the D was not good at all!
Perhaps Buckner follows Bettcher  
battttles : 1/23/2018 8:16 pm : link
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With the hire of Steve Wilks, the #AZCardinals have cut loose most of their assistants including respected DL coach Brentson Buckner. Hell have a job quickly.
RE: So Spags job isn't guaranteed....  
arcarsenal : 1/23/2018 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13803599 Fishmanjim57 said:
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I wouldn't mind moving on from him. Last season the D was not good at all!


It has already been reported that he's not returning as DC. That ship has sailed.
RE: Isn't Arizona a 3-4 team  
djstat : 1/23/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13802835 jeff57 said:
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1. Any coordinator worth his weight can run a 3-4 or a 4-3. So much of a game is played in subpackages anyway.

2. Our 4-3 defense has sucked for the better part of 5 years so a switch might help.

3. Our personnel is such we can play a 3-4. OV is more of an OLB. Snacks is a NT and Tomlinson can easily play DE.

4. Why would you not hire him? New HC and maybe new HC prefers a 3-4? Our linebackers suck in 4-3
Bettcher leaning Titans?  
battttles : 1/23/2018 9:26 pm : link
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James Bettcher met with the Giants and Titans at the senior bowl today, hearing hes at the top of the list with both teams. He could be leaning with the #Titans.
My concern with Del Rio  
paesan98 : 1/23/2018 9:35 pm : link
It was posted in another thread, said he was a 9 to 5 guy, a bit lazy, doesn't put in the extra time needed. I have no idea how true this is, just regurgitating what I read. To me, that's a bit disconcerting.
JDR  
AnskyJK : 1/23/2018 10:01 pm : link
The more you read about his tenure in oakland, the less you want him.
Del Rio..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/23/2018 10:04 pm : link
made the playoffs in Oakland year one, and just missed the playoffs in year 2 despite losing his starting QB for 1/2 the year.

You guys are making it sound like he had a McAdoo-like collapse, while they were in the hunt until the last 2 weeks, even with Carr missing significant time.

Not to mention that he'd be a DC, a position he's excelled at, not a HC.

Are people going to dissect Wade Phillips and Dick Lebeau's HC tenures, too?
RE: Bettcher leaning Titans?  
yatqb : 1/23/2018 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13803676 battttles said:
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James Bettcher met with the Giants and Titans at the senior bowl today, hearing hes at the top of the list with both teams. He could be leaning with the #Titans.


I always wonder how a writer would know which job a guy would prefer so soon after an interview, or whether the teams have him as their first choice. Speculation? An agent's take? Complete crock?
RE: RE: RE: How about 89 year old Dick Lebeau  
Greg from LI : 1/23/2018 11:00 pm : link
In comment 13803481 Carson53 said:
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Ever heard of a thing called a joke...


How is adding nine years to his age making a joke? It's not as if the nine years were needed to make him an octogenarian - he already is one.
We got him  
Mkdaman1818 : 1/23/2018 11:09 pm : link
Bettcher is our new DC according to Rapoport
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