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| Steve Spagnuolo believes Ben McAdoo did an "outstanding job" and will be a head coach in the NFL again. The former Giants defensive coordinator stuck his neck out for the head coach whose job he temporarily took over when McAdoo was fired following a 2-10 start to the season and the benching of quarterback Eli Manning. |
Maybe he can have a Jeff Fisher career
Exactly. Right now, the book on McAdoo (setting aside the personality issues, which can be overcome, we've seen that) is he runs an inflexible, predictable, unproductive offense.
He's going to have to get back to the 2014/2015 levels of production as an OC before he gets another HC shot. I don't think anyone would mistake him for a "leader of men" type such that a lean resume on the technical side (limited coordinator experience) can be overlooked. We tried.
"I didn't."
Didn't Fassel have offers and just wanted more money?
Spags is doing all the right things. I hope he lands somewhere and is successful.
ross no job
macadoo no job
spags no job
you could make a case that none of them will ever work in the nfl again,maybe the new xfl.
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"I didn't."
"right... well nice seeing you"
If he had bashed the Giants, called McAdoo an idiot who would never get another coaching job, why would another coach wants Spags on his staff?
*IF* he can achieve that.. big if... then I dont see a reason why he wouldnt be given another shot. Josh McDaniels is... and I have no idea how he'll do without Brady either.
Fassell we all know by now had personality issues/probably blackballed, no matter how good a coach... certainly Billick questioning his character while in Baltimore didnt help either.
Wouldn't surprise me to see him pop up as ast coach somewhere.
And his scheme was a fucking joke that left his young tackles naked and put this QB in danger, and was so obvious to the whole world that CIN called it the easiest offense to prepare for they'd ever seen.
ross no job
macadoo no job
spags no job
you could make a case that none of them will ever work in the nfl again,maybe the new xfl.
Reese is too good of a scout to not get a job somewhere. As a GM? Nope.
Better quarterbacks than Eli have been benched late in their careers.
In fact a certain HOF quarterback was bench while the Giants still had a winning record for Eli
MacAdoo is gone but some can t let it go. He might or might not get another chance, but other guys with failed past have
Better quarterbacks than Eli have been benched late in their careers.
In fact a certain HOF quarterback was bench while the Giants still had a winning record for Eli
MacAdoo is gone but some can t let it go. He might or might not get another chance, but other guys with failed past have
on that decision macadoo was the only adult in the room.
His play book is 33/36 iso, slants, end.
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reese no job
ross no job
macadoo no job
spags no job
you could make a case that none of them will ever work in the nfl again,maybe the new xfl.
Reese is too good of a scout to not get a job somewhere. As a GM? Nope.
Is he though?
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reese no job
ross no job
macadoo no job
spags no job
you could make a case that none of them will ever work in the nfl again,maybe the new xfl.
Reese is too good of a scout to not get a job somewhere. As a GM? Nope.
Is he though?
Yes, he is. I wanted him gone too. But he has an amazing eye for skill position talent, and he deserves a job in college scouting for that alone.
Odell Beckham Jr., Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Evan Engram.
His priorities were not where they needed to be. The goofball shit with who was calling plays in the preseason, the dick measuring with Manning etc.
All signs of a guy who wasn't self aware enough.
He's a young coach, has a tremendous lesson on his resume lots of teams want (including the Giants).
Now will he work his way up back to the top? That's purely in him.
As for McAdoo, he made Fassel seem like Lombardi. Owners are not very forgiving of a guy they spend 200 million on to make successful and the guy crashes and burns in spectacular fashion. Plus he embarrassed the owners. At best, he will go back from whence he came- position coach- never to be heard from again.
He had a good session on Sirius w/Kirwan and Miller where he made the comments (again?) about McAdoo. He said that some things transpired that just couldn't be overcome, which happens in the league. More irony from the coaching staff....Spags' guys played hard in STL right to the end even if he did lose his job at the end of the season just like BM.
Another thing Spags said as he was talking xs and os was that offenses don't necessarily commit to a rigid protection scheme as much as they did in the past since more pass pressure 'can come from anywhere', so there's more 'scanning' as offenses have caught up. I thought right away that the teeth of the Jim Johnson fire zone/overloads were a lot less sharp if one of his disciples was making that statement.
As for McAdoo, he made Fassel seem like Lombardi. Owners are not very forgiving of a guy they spend 200 million on to make successful and the guy crashes and burns in spectacular fashion. Plus he embarrassed the owners. At best, he will go back from whence he came- position coach- never to be heard from again.
Why do you hate Spagnuolo so much?
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reese no job
ross no job
macadoo no job
spags no job
you could make a case that none of them will ever work in the nfl again,maybe the new xfl.
Reese is too good of a scout to not get a job somewhere. As a GM? Nope.
Is he though?
Yes, he is. I wanted him gone too. But he has an amazing eye for skill position talent, and he deserves a job in college scouting for that alone.
Odell Beckham Jr., Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Evan Engram.
All good picks though Cruz doesn't really belong on that list, Cruz was pure luck if he thought Cruz would've amounted to half of what he became he would've drafted him 100% no question about it
But on the flip side, being able to properly evaluate 1 position doesn't make you a scout and certainly not a great one, not to mention you could put a monkey in the room throwing darts and you're bound to hit something on enough throws, his hit% was not very good at all and you could 100% bank on the fact that anyone drafted in rounds 3-7 every single year would be a COMPLETELY worthless player, that's pathetic.. Also you took a guy that one scout at the time said "has the worst technique of anyone I've ever seen taken in the top 10" and to compound this you took him over a sure fire, no doubter, even i saw it and I don't get paid for this, home run in Todd Gurley (that one made me flip a fuckin table that day).. bad, I'm sorry but you are bad at your job
And honestly I'm not as sold on Engram as everyone else is, his bulk stats are mostly the product of being a #1 target on a pathetic team, he still has a lot of areas to improve, namely the drops.. now I'm not saying he sucks or that I don't believe in his potential, but I'm not ready to call him a total first round hit just yet, hes got a lot to prove
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reese no job
ross no job
macadoo no job
spags no job
you could make a case that none of them will ever work in the nfl again,maybe the new xfl.
Reese is too good of a scout to not get a job somewhere. As a GM? Nope.
Is he though?
Yes, he is. I wanted him gone too. But he has an amazing eye for skill position talent, and he deserves a job in college scouting for that alone.
Odell Beckham Jr., Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Evan Engram.
All good picks though Cruz doesn't really belong on that list, Cruz was pure luck if he thought Cruz would've amounted to half of what he became he would've drafted him 100% no question about it
But on the flip side, being able to properly evaluate 1 position doesn't make you a scout and certainly not a great one, not to mention you could put a monkey in the room throwing darts and you're bound to hit something on enough throws, his hit% was not very good at all and you could 100% bank on the fact that anyone drafted in rounds 3-7 every single year would be a COMPLETELY worthless player, that's pathetic.. Also you took a guy that one scout at the time said "has the worst technique of anyone I've ever seen taken in the top 10" and to compound this you took him over a sure fire, no doubter, even i saw it and I don't get paid for this, home run in Todd Gurley (that one made me flip a fuckin table that day).. bad, I'm sorry but you are bad at your job
And honestly I'm not as sold on Engram as everyone else is, his bulk stats are mostly the product of being a #1 target on a pathetic team, he still has a lot of areas to improve, namely the drops.. now I'm not saying he sucks or that I don't believe in his potential, but I'm not ready to call him a total first round hit just yet, hes got a lot to prove
Oh I agree. He was clueless when it came to offensive lineman and was a disaster in the mid-late rounds of the draft. But for someone to say he never deserves a job in the NFL again is a little unfair. He might not be well rounded enough to be a GM again, but he would definitely have value to a team that hired him.
It was an offense that couldn't score more than 20 points in it's last 6 games......and if not for OBj taking 5 yard slants to the house, this team would have struggled to be a .500 team.....
What improved in 2017? All you had to do was see the offensive game plan in the opening game....to not be prepared for OBj not playing, is inexcuseable.....the season went downhill from there.....it just showed you what this offense would have looked like without OBj, last year.....no way was that an 11-5 team.....it was a mirage, created by the planets all lining up with the help of 200M....something TC couldn't get from Reese.....
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reese no job
ross no job
macadoo no job
spags no job
you could make a case that none of them will ever work in the nfl again,maybe the new xfl.
Reese is too good of a scout to not get a job somewhere. As a GM? Nope.
Is he though?
Yes, he is. I wanted him gone too. But he has an amazing eye for skill position talent, and he deserves a job in college scouting for that alone.
Odell Beckham Jr., Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Evan Engram.
All good picks though Cruz doesn't really belong on that list, Cruz was pure luck if he thought Cruz would've amounted to half of what he became he would've drafted him 100% no question about it
But on the flip side, being able to properly evaluate 1 position doesn't make you a scout and certainly not a great one, not to mention you could put a monkey in the room throwing darts and you're bound to hit something on enough throws, his hit% was not very good at all and you could 100% bank on the fact that anyone drafted in rounds 3-7 every single year would be a COMPLETELY worthless player, that's pathetic.. Also you took a guy that one scout at the time said "has the worst technique of anyone I've ever seen taken in the top 10" and to compound this you took him over a sure fire, no doubter, even i saw it and I don't get paid for this, home run in Todd Gurley (that one made me flip a fuckin table that day).. bad, I'm sorry but you are bad at your job
And honestly I'm not as sold on Engram as everyone else is, his bulk stats are mostly the product of being a #1 target on a pathetic team, he still has a lot of areas to improve, namely the drops.. now I'm not saying he sucks or that I don't believe in his potential, but I'm not ready to call him a total first round hit just yet, hes got a lot to prove
Oh I agree. He was clueless when it came to offensive lineman and was a disaster in the mid-late rounds of the draft. But for someone to say he never deserves a job in the NFL again is a little unfair. He might not be well rounded enough to be a GM again, but he would definitely have value to a team that hired him.
I just don't know if thatd be as a scout, honestly we have no real way of knowing exactly how good his scouting chops are
We can't even say weather any of his picks (good or bad) were picked because of something he saw, or based on information one of his scouts fed him, or what coach was in his ear about
But my speculation is if you signed off on that many mid round busts and you put your signature on "yeah I think Ereck Flowers is better than Todd Gurley" you're just not that good at evaluating talent
Also as a matter of fact now that I'm thinking about it he will never take a job as an official scout, he don't need to work anymore and he's used to sitting in the comfy big boy seat, a scouts job is incredibly grunt-like and is an absurd amount of work and travel, but maybe I'm just taking what you're saying too literally lol
First of all, he’s one of the brightest minds in the league. Second, he was right in his characterizations of Eli just as Belichick was correct about Bernie Kosar. McAdoo did not have the chops to handle what was going to be an untenable situation, save for somebody like Coughlin. Now Shurmur has the freedom to manage Team Eli in any manner he sees fit.
As far as what else did him in ,McAdoo should ponder his DC for starters. Whatever the hell was going on with the corners will remain one of the mysteries of the disastrous ‘17 season. Too many injuries , yet again . He will re-tool his offensive thinking . That’s for certain . But I would be shocked if he didn’t find success as an HC in the NFL. Wrong time to be Giants HC. People say it should have been Marrone, who is a good HC, but what was he going to do with Corporate Eli? Same dif.
Maybe Spagnuolo is feeling pants of guilt. I hope so.
Blame can and should be spread around for 2017, but there's a reason the buck stops with the head coach. Coughlin said it himself: "When we lose, I lose. When we win, you guys win. That's the way it is." Maybe nobody could have turned things around, but you need a lot more from a head coach than "We have to look at the tape" and "Umm" halftime speeches when the Titanic is sinking.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised to see McAdoo get another shot down the line (Josh McDaniels' tenures with Denver and the Rams were equally disastrous and he's getting another chance). But he's going to have to prove that he can be an effective offensive mind and coach, so his next stop will be crucial.
I just don't know if thatd be as a scout, honestly we have no real way of knowing exactly how good his scouting chops are
We can't even say weather any of his picks (good or bad) were picked because of something he saw, or based on information one of his scouts fed him, or what coach was in his ear about
But my speculation is if you signed off on that many mid round busts and you put your signature on "yeah I think Ereck Flowers is better than Todd Gurley" you're just not that good at evaluating talent
Also as a matter of fact now that I'm thinking about it he will never take a job as an official scout, he don't need to work anymore and he's used to sitting in the comfy big boy seat, a scouts job is incredibly grunt-like and is an absurd amount of work and travel, but maybe I'm just taking what you're saying too literally lol
I'm not sure what you are getting at. Its not like Reese flew down from a corporate job in another industry and became NY Giants GM overnight. He worked his way up through the organization -- college scouting from 1994-1997, pro scouting from 1997-2002, Director of Pro Personnel 2002-2007. His over-arching body of work for NYG was pretty good, IMO. Lots of mistakes, sure, but lots of successes too.
He'd have value to another team in a reduced role (vs GM), for sure. Now to your point, whether he needs the money and would accept the demotion.. i have no idea.
*IF* he can achieve that.. big if... then I dont see a reason why he wouldnt be given another shot. Josh McDaniels is... and I have no idea how he'll do without Brady either.
Fassell we all know by now had personality issues/probably blackballed, no matter how good a coach... certainly Billick questioning his character while in Baltimore didnt help either.
His last chance was when Snyder was set to hire him until extremeskins exploded and he went to Zorn.
And major bonus he annoys a certain crowd.
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He’s more like Belichick. He’s not going to be as good. No one is saying that. But look for Bennie with The Good Hair to succeed his second time around, in about 5 years. Don’t think so?
Don't think so???
Hell to the fucking no
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RetroJint : 2/1/2018 12:50 pm : link : reply
He’s more like Belichick. He’s not going to be as good. No one is saying that. But look for Bennie with The Good Hair to succeed his second time around, in about 5 years. Don’t think so?
Don't think so???
Hell to the fucking no
Agree Fats. I'll be a winning Head Coach in the NFL before McAdoosh
lets be honest the season was bust they are headed towards a top 5 pick in the draft you will get nothing and learn nothing from playing geno smith but you might get an idea if webb has the ability to play at nfl level especially give the state of the OL and WR corps
would have helped settle the arguements about if you take a QB this draft or not,some live fire experience for webb wouldnt have hurt either,eli nearly blew the number 2 pick by beating skins and nearly beating eagles at the end of the year too
Blame can and should be spread around for 2017, but there's a reason the buck stops with the head coach. Coughlin said it himself: "When we lose, I lose. When we win, you guys win. That's the way it is." Maybe nobody could have turned things around, but you need a lot more from a head coach than "We have to look at the tape" and "Umm" halftime speeches when the Titanic is sinking.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised to see McAdoo get another shot down the line (Josh McDaniels' tenures with Denver and the Rams were equally disastrous and he's getting another chance). But he's going to have to prove that he can be an effective offensive mind and coach, so his next stop will be crucial.
Josh McDaniels at least had a record of overwhelming success in New England. What's McAdoo ever done? He was an average OC who relied on Tom Coughlin. If he had come from some other organization we would have had severe concerns about how much of the offense was his, and as it turned out, rightly so. He sucks. He became OC in the first place based off of being Aaron Rodgers' QB coach. Any posting in this thread could be Aaron Rodgers' QB coach.
Hindsight is 20/20 but he never should've been even considered for head coach and the Eagles pulled one over on us when they interviewed him.
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He's doing nothing but trying to rehabilitate himself. He didn't lift a finger to help McAdoo when a player revolt occurred in his unit no doubt jockeying for the HC position. Unless he has a relative who is a head coach, we've seen the last of St. Stephen of the Blitz as a DC- no head coach will trust him.
As for McAdoo, he made Fassel seem like Lombardi. Owners are not very forgiving of a guy they spend 200 million on to make successful and the guy crashes and burns in spectacular fashion. Plus he embarrassed the owners. At best, he will go back from whence he came- position coach- never to be heard from again.
Why do you hate Spagnuolo so much?