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Kennard more enticed to return to Giants after coach changes

Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/1/2018 2:55 pm
From Tom Rock...
Devon Kennard more enticed to return to Giants after coaching changes - ( New Window )
He definitely seems like  
bLiTz 2k : 2/1/2018 2:56 pm : link
the type of player that could exceed in Betcher's system...Outside 3-4 type backer with exceptional passrush ability.

Who knows, maybe he gives us a hometown discount.
.  
arcarsenal : 2/1/2018 2:57 pm : link
Kennard would probably be one of the guys to benefit most from this switch, so it makes sense.
Pass  
Dillon in Va : 2/1/2018 3:12 pm : link
"exceptional pass rush ability"?

I've never witnessed this exceptional pass rush ability from him. He's always been below average to average LB, on his best days, to me. He doesn't make enough impact plays(sacks, Pressures, TFLs, stuffs, PDs, INTs, FFs, FRs) to be considered a key person to bring back. He's a backup at best. Let's get some new blood with speed.
He looked good rushing the QB that one year  
est1986 : 2/1/2018 3:24 pm : link
Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.
I like Kennard  
adamg : 2/1/2018 3:24 pm : link
He can be a leader on this team.
Possibly the ticket with those types  
idiotsavant : 2/1/2018 3:28 pm : link
Is make the rush roll much more multiple, and appear more multiple and complex...while excusing them from any and all coverage and even most wrong side of l.o.s. chase duties.

Pin your ears back shit.

Not react even. Just prescribed attack within a system. Better for him true.
Had a chat with him a couple of weeks back...  
hitchchops2 : 2/1/2018 3:32 pm : link
...really nice guy, still had a sense of humor about the season. However, I think he bolts the second he gets an offer from a west coast team (if he gets one).
Kennard  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/1/2018 3:34 pm : link
also comments on Eli Apple...
Does Eli Apple have future in Giants locker room? 1 teammate's take on 'disappointing' 2017 - ( New Window )
If I get it.  
idiotsavant : 2/1/2018 3:37 pm : link
Itl be attacking ...but within prescribed sets. Aggressive on the DL but less risky.

So it may bode well for a bunch of these players.

Don't expect jpp.kennard even vernon to read react

That may be for Collins and not named yet lbs not on roster.etc
but spags is so swell  
sundayatone : 2/1/2018 3:37 pm : link
i was told
I like Kennard and he could likely perform better in Bettchers scheme  
mfsd : 2/1/2018 3:40 pm : link
but also agree that heís not really much more than a JAG, and not really worth overpaying to keep in FA. Being the best LB on the 2017 Giants is a pretty dubious distinction

Curious to see how DG and company evaluate him come FA
RE: He looked good rushing the QB that one year  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/1/2018 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13815807 est1986 said:
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Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.

He was third on the team with 4 sacks this past season (and 4.5 in his rookie year, good for fifth on the team). So maybe it was more than "that one year"?

There's good reason to believe that he'd be a nice fit in Bettcher's scheme.
Who says they want him  
jeff57 : 2/1/2018 3:56 pm : link
Not that great.
Kennard  
Doomster : 2/1/2018 3:58 pm : link
is easily replaced.....not good in coverage, weak at the point of attack, and not the pass rusher he is made out to be.....

His "plays" are few and far between...
RE: Kennard  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/1/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13815876 Doomster said:
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is easily replaced.....not good in coverage, weak at the point of attack, and not the pass rusher he is made out to be.....

His "plays" are few and far between...

Has there ever been a player on the team that you've liked?
RE: RE: Kennard  
Vanzetti : 2/1/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13815882 Gatorade Dunk said:
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is easily replaced.....not good in coverage, weak at the point of attack, and not the pass rusher he is made out to be.....

His "plays" are few and far between...


Has there ever been a player on the team that you've liked?


Well, his name is Doomster. I think your comment would be more apt if his handle was HappyGiant or something like that.
RE: RE: He looked good rushing the QB that one year  
est1986 : 2/1/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13815854 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.


He was third on the team with 4 sacks this past season (and 4.5 in his rookie year, good for fifth on the team). So maybe it was more than "that one year"?

There's good reason to believe that he'd be a nice fit in Bettcher's scheme.


Lmao. When i said "BBI overrated him as a pash rusher" this is exhibit A.. 4 sacks and 4.5 sacks? Lmao. Putting those pathetic sack numbers aside and the fact he was third and fifth on his team in sacks during years the Giants were near the bottom of the leauge in sacks aside, he "looked good" rushing the QB "that one year" (even though i do not think it resulted in a gang of sacks, sacks arent everything when it comes to being a good pass rusher) but he has been poor rushing the QB since he is no trouble or threat at all for most NFL Offensive Linemen. PASS on DK snd get a real edge rushing OLB somewhere in the draft please
RE: RE: He looked good rushing the QB that one year  
est1986 : 2/1/2018 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13815854 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.


He was third on the team with 4 sacks this past season (and 4.5 in his rookie year, good for fifth on the team). So maybe it was more than "that one year"?

There's good reason to believe that he'd be a nice fit in Bettcher's scheme.


Having the 3rd most sacks on this awful defense this year is like having the third most rushing yards on this awful offense this year. So let me guess, you think we should keep paul perkins too?
he's a JAG with an injury history  
Victor in CT : 2/1/2018 4:49 pm : link
.......
DK is a solid player  
Breeze_94 : 2/1/2018 5:01 pm : link
You canít have 11 super stars on defense, but Kennard is definitely a useful player and seems like a good locker room guy. Iíd keep him around as long as he isnít asking for too much $.
He is good at  
NikkiMac : 2/1/2018 5:09 pm : link
Setting the edge and when given the chance kid can rush the passer idk what film you guys are watching but heís a player to keep in my opinion.
RE: RE: RE: He looked good rushing the QB that one year  
arcarsenal : 2/1/2018 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13815920 est1986 said:
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Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.


He was third on the team with 4 sacks this past season (and 4.5 in his rookie year, good for fifth on the team). So maybe it was more than "that one year"?

There's good reason to believe that he'd be a nice fit in Bettcher's scheme.



Having the 3rd most sacks on this awful defense this year is like having the third most rushing yards on this awful offense this year. So let me guess, you think we should keep paul perkins too?


Actually, yeah - I'd give Perkins another shot as a depth RB.

He was running behind an impossible OL with Slick calling plays before he got hurt earlier this season.

He flashed enough in 2016 to warrant another look behind hopefully a better OL in a better offense.
I would like him back  
Jay on the Island : 2/1/2018 5:14 pm : link
If the Giants are moving to a 3-4 scheme then Kennard should be back. Let him compete to start opposite Goodson at ILB and occasionally rush the passer at OLB. He is a better fit in this scheme anyway. I am not saying that he is a star but he would be a solid inexpensive option to keep. The defense would just need an edge rusher at OLB and some ILB depth.
RE: RE: RE: He looked good rushing the QB that one year  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/1/2018 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13815917 est1986 said:
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Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.


He was third on the team with 4 sacks this past season (and 4.5 in his rookie year, good for fifth on the team). So maybe it was more than "that one year"?

There's good reason to believe that he'd be a nice fit in Bettcher's scheme.



Lmao. When i said "BBI overrated him as a pash rusher" this is exhibit A.. 4 sacks and 4.5 sacks? Lmao. Putting those pathetic sack numbers aside and the fact he was third and fifth on his team in sacks during years the Giants were near the bottom of the leauge in sacks aside, he "looked good" rushing the QB "that one year" (even though i do not think it resulted in a gang of sacks, sacks arent everything when it comes to being a good pass rusher) but he has been poor rushing the QB since he is no trouble or threat at all for most NFL Offensive Linemen. PASS on DK snd get a real edge rushing OLB somewhere in the draft please

Go ahead and compile the list of 4-3 OLBs with more sacks than Kennard last season.
Are people really criticizing 4 sacks  
Jay on the Island : 2/1/2018 5:24 pm : link
in 11 starts? In Bettcher's scheme he would likely rush the passer more often not to mention playing for a better coordinator who will use him differently than Spags did. Kennard could put up 6-8 sacks next year.
Lol too much...  
bLiTz 2k : 2/1/2018 6:00 pm : link
If you dont produce double digit sacks (as an outside backer in a 4-3..REALLY), than you are overrated.

Its okay est --- we respect your opinion that the player is trash.
Sacks per sack opportunities  
PEEJ : 2/1/2018 6:04 pm : link
would be more meaningful
Nobody suggested big $$  
idiotsavant : 2/1/2018 6:09 pm : link
Short term prove it deal

Would be-

In his interest due to a better system for him!

Two years.
Obviously after that he either gets  
idiotsavant : 2/1/2018 6:14 pm : link
Big contract somewhere or not. Up to him really.
That question is so asinine,  
Doomster : 2/1/2018 8:56 pm : link
RE: Kennard
Gatorade Dunk : 3:59 pm : link : reply
In comment 13815876 Doomster said:
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is easily replaced.....not good in coverage, weak at the point of attack, and not the pass rusher he is made out to be.....

His "plays" are few and far between...

Has there ever been a player on the team that you've liked?

Why don't you comment on what I stated! Idiot!
ANYONE WHO THINKS KENNARD IS ABOVE AVERAGE  
est1986 : 2/1/2018 9:03 pm : link
At defending the run, covering the pass or rushing the Passer... you must either be (A.) a bonafide homer or (B.) not the best football analyst.

If you say he is a good pass rusher based on his 9.5 career sacks in 4 seasons...
If you say he is good in coverage based on his 8 career pass deflection's and his one interception over 4 seasons...
If anyone thinks we should not move on from a LB who can barely average 30 tackles in a season...

Lets just agree to disagree..

And I'll just wait for all the teams to line up and throw that big, multi-year deal at him...

FUCK THE NUMBERS HAS ANYONE WATCHED OUR PASS RUSH OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS???? WHEN WAS KENNARD EVER A REAL THREAT??? CUT THE SHIT!!!! JUST BECAUSE HE WAS USED AS A RUSHER DOESN'T MEAN HE WAS A GOOD ONE, OUR PASS RUSH HAS SUCKED AND KENNARD HAS DONE NOTHING TO HELP IT.

His career high in sacks is 4.5 (rookie year, 4 years ago) as Gatorade Dunk pointed out... Guess what... Damontre Moore had 5.5 sacks that year too, does that make him a good pass rusher???

Devon Kennard is the Darian Thompson of LB's... Below-average in the NFL, but for whatever strange reason loved and anointed on BBI after doing not much of anything. He should be done here.
I'd bring him back as a 1 year rental edge rusher  
DennyInDenville : 2/1/2018 9:06 pm : link
Or bargain 3 year deal

Not spending any big $ on this guy when a clone should be available late in the draft
I'm glad that  
Bill in TN : 2/1/2018 9:25 pm : link
DG is our GM and not you . . .
RE: That question is so asinine,  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/1/2018 9:29 pm : link
In comment 13816220 Doomster said:
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RE: Kennard
Gatorade Dunk : 3:59 pm : link : reply
In comment 13815876 Doomster said:
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is easily replaced.....not good in coverage, weak at the point of attack, and not the pass rusher he is made out to be.....

His "plays" are few and far between...

Has there ever been a player on the team that you've liked?

Why don't you comment on what I stated! Idiot!

Because every player on the team is easily replaced according to your constant "sky is falling" posts. But it doesn't actually work that way, and you're usually not right anyway. So I'm not going to race you to the bottom.
RE: That question is so asinine,  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/1/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13816220 Doomster said:
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RE: Kennard
Gatorade Dunk : 3:59 pm : link : reply
In comment 13815876 Doomster said:
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is easily replaced.....not good in coverage, weak at the point of attack, and not the pass rusher he is made out to be.....

His "plays" are few and far between...

Has there ever been a player on the team that you've liked?

Why don't you comment on what I stated! Idiot!

How about you learn how to use the quote feature, and then I'll tackle your post? Is that a fair trade-off?
RE: ANYONE WHO THINKS KENNARD IS ABOVE AVERAGE  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/1/2018 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13816226 est1986 said:
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At defending the run, covering the pass or rushing the Passer... you must either be (A.) a bonafide homer or (B.) not the best football analyst.

If you say he is a good pass rusher based on his 9.5 career sacks in 4 seasons...
If you say he is good in coverage based on his 8 career pass deflection's and his one interception over 4 seasons...
If anyone thinks we should not move on from a LB who can barely average 30 tackles in a season...

Lets just agree to disagree..

And I'll just wait for all the teams to line up and throw that big, multi-year deal at him...

FUCK THE NUMBERS HAS ANYONE WATCHED OUR PASS RUSH OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS???? WHEN WAS KENNARD EVER A REAL THREAT??? CUT THE SHIT!!!! JUST BECAUSE HE WAS USED AS A RUSHER DOESN'T MEAN HE WAS A GOOD ONE, OUR PASS RUSH HAS SUCKED AND KENNARD HAS DONE NOTHING TO HELP IT.

His career high in sacks is 4.5 (rookie year, 4 years ago) as Gatorade Dunk pointed out... Guess what... Damontre Moore had 5.5 sacks that year too, does that make him a good pass rusher???

Devon Kennard is the Darian Thompson of LB's... Below-average in the NFL, but for whatever strange reason loved and anointed on BBI after doing not much of anything. He should be done here.

est1986:
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I HAVE CAPS LOCK! I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OLB AND DE RESPONSIBILITIES IN A 4-3 BUT I HAVE CAPS LOCK!

I paraphrased, but I think it's pretty much spot on.
RE: RE: RE: RE: He looked good rushing the QB that one year  
est1986 : 2/1/2018 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13815986 arcarsenal said:
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Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.


He was third on the team with 4 sacks this past season (and 4.5 in his rookie year, good for fifth on the team). So maybe it was more than "that one year"?

There's good reason to believe that he'd be a nice fit in Bettcher's scheme.



Having the 3rd most sacks on this awful defense this year is like having the third most rushing yards on this awful offense this year. So let me guess, you think we should keep paul perkins too?


Actually, yeah - I'd give Perkins another shot as a depth RB.

He was running behind an impossible OL with Slick calling plays before he got hurt earlier this season.

He flashed enough in 2016 to warrant another look behind hopefully a better OL in a better offense.


What does the OL have to do with him being unable to run through an arm tackle? Why was Darkwa able to perform behind that same OL? He couldn't even do enough to show the coaches he deserved some touches down the stretch of a losing season.. He may make the 4th running back spot next season and do absolutely nothing but if he was a F/A there would be zero reason to bring him back and you know it (one would hope).
Gatorade Dunk  
est1986 : 2/1/2018 9:50 pm : link
Ok Captain Obvious... So he is a OLB not a DE... So now what is your excuse for him having only 24 solo tackles last year? We have had the worst LB group in the NFL for how many years straight now?

Thank god you aren't G.M.
Still waiting for someone to remind me  
est1986 : 2/1/2018 9:52 pm : link
What game Kennard has had an impact in as a pass rusher...

Gatorade dunk brings up his sack totals (9.5 in 4 years) and actually expects that to hold any weight.. LMAO what a moron.
RE: Gatorade Dunk  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/1/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13816280 est1986 said:
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Ok Captain Obvious... So he is a OLB not a DE... So now what is your excuse for him having only 24 solo tackles last year? We have had the worst LB group in the NFL for how many years straight now?

Thank god you aren't G.M.

You know what? You're right. Kennard sucks. You know way more about football than anyone on this board. You have never embarrassed yourself with kneejerk posts that don't make any sense. Please keep being you. It is to all of our benefit for you to keep educating us with your exalted football knowledge. Even if you use 4-3 OLBs and DEs interchangeably and have aggressive expectations for Sam LBs in the modern NFL where most teams are playing their Mike and Will most of the time, you just keep pressing on. We'll all catch up with your acumen soon, I promise. Or at least we'll try our very best.
RE: RE: ANYONE WHO THINKS KENNARD IS ABOVE AVERAGE  
est1986 : 2/1/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13816252 Gatorade Dunk said:
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At defending the run, covering the pass or rushing the Passer... you must either be (A.) a bonafide homer or (B.) not the best football analyst.

If you say he is a good pass rusher based on his 9.5 career sacks in 4 seasons...
If you say he is good in coverage based on his 8 career pass deflection's and his one interception over 4 seasons...
If anyone thinks we should not move on from a LB who can barely average 30 tackles in a season...

Lets just agree to disagree..

And I'll just wait for all the teams to line up and throw that big, multi-year deal at him...

FUCK THE NUMBERS HAS ANYONE WATCHED OUR PASS RUSH OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS???? WHEN WAS KENNARD EVER A REAL THREAT??? CUT THE SHIT!!!! JUST BECAUSE HE WAS USED AS A RUSHER DOESN'T MEAN HE WAS A GOOD ONE, OUR PASS RUSH HAS SUCKED AND KENNARD HAS DONE NOTHING TO HELP IT.

His career high in sacks is 4.5 (rookie year, 4 years ago) as Gatorade Dunk pointed out... Guess what... Damontre Moore had 5.5 sacks that year too, does that make him a good pass rusher???

Devon Kennard is the Darian Thompson of LB's... Below-average in the NFL, but for whatever strange reason loved and anointed on BBI after doing not much of anything. He should be done here.


est1986:

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I HAVE CAPS LOCK! I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OLB AND DE RESPONSIBILITIES IN A 4-3 BUT I HAVE CAPS LOCK!


I paraphrased, but I think it's pretty much spot on.


Its actually dead wrong, you are dead wrong and you know it... you brought his pathetic stats up... still waiting for you to go on about how he was a good pass rusher... your argument was because in 4 years he was once 5th and once 3rd on the team in sacks... pathetic.

AND you keep going on about him being an OLB not a DE....

Nearly every one of his sacks came from him playing at DE or DT... SOOOOO that should show how much an idiot like you knows about this team.

RE: RE: RE: ANYONE WHO THINKS KENNARD IS ABOVE AVERAGE  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/1/2018 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13816294 est1986 said:
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At defending the run, covering the pass or rushing the Passer... you must either be (A.) a bonafide homer or (B.) not the best football analyst.

If you say he is a good pass rusher based on his 9.5 career sacks in 4 seasons...
If you say he is good in coverage based on his 8 career pass deflection's and his one interception over 4 seasons...
If anyone thinks we should not move on from a LB who can barely average 30 tackles in a season...

Lets just agree to disagree..

And I'll just wait for all the teams to line up and throw that big, multi-year deal at him...

FUCK THE NUMBERS HAS ANYONE WATCHED OUR PASS RUSH OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS???? WHEN WAS KENNARD EVER A REAL THREAT??? CUT THE SHIT!!!! JUST BECAUSE HE WAS USED AS A RUSHER DOESN'T MEAN HE WAS A GOOD ONE, OUR PASS RUSH HAS SUCKED AND KENNARD HAS DONE NOTHING TO HELP IT.

His career high in sacks is 4.5 (rookie year, 4 years ago) as Gatorade Dunk pointed out... Guess what... Damontre Moore had 5.5 sacks that year too, does that make him a good pass rusher???

Devon Kennard is the Darian Thompson of LB's... Below-average in the NFL, but for whatever strange reason loved and anointed on BBI after doing not much of anything. He should be done here.


est1986:

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I HAVE CAPS LOCK! I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OLB AND DE RESPONSIBILITIES IN A 4-3 BUT I HAVE CAPS LOCK!


I paraphrased, but I think it's pretty much spot on.



Its actually dead wrong, you are dead wrong and you know it... you brought his pathetic stats up... still waiting for you to go on about how he was a good pass rusher... your argument was because in 4 years he was once 5th and once 3rd on the team in sacks... pathetic.

AND you keep going on about him being an OLB not a DE....

Nearly every one of his sacks came from him playing at DE or DT... SOOOOO that should show how much an idiot like you knows about this team.

He had sacks from the DT spot? Please show me the snap counts or kindly STFU.
RE: RE: He looked good rushing the QB that one year  
est1986 : 2/1/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13815854 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.


He was third on the team with 4 sacks this past season (and 4.5 in his rookie year, good for fifth on the team). So maybe it was more than "that one year"?

There's good reason to believe that he'd be a nice fit in Bettcher's scheme.


CAPSLOCK ON!!!

THIRD ON THE TEAM IN SACKS... THE TEAM WAS THE THIRD WORST TEAM IN THE LEAUGE IN SACKS!!!! ONLY TAMPA AND INDY HAD LESS SACKS YOU IDIOT!!!

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW???
RE: RE: RE: RE: ANYONE WHO THINKS KENNARD IS ABOVE AVERAGE  
est1986 : 2/1/2018 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13816295 Gatorade Dunk said:
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At defending the run, covering the pass or rushing the Passer... you must either be (A.) a bonafide homer or (B.) not the best football analyst.

If you say he is a good pass rusher based on his 9.5 career sacks in 4 seasons...
If you say he is good in coverage based on his 8 career pass deflection's and his one interception over 4 seasons...
If anyone thinks we should not move on from a LB who can barely average 30 tackles in a season...

Lets just agree to disagree..

And I'll just wait for all the teams to line up and throw that big, multi-year deal at him...

FUCK THE NUMBERS HAS ANYONE WATCHED OUR PASS RUSH OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS???? WHEN WAS KENNARD EVER A REAL THREAT??? CUT THE SHIT!!!! JUST BECAUSE HE WAS USED AS A RUSHER DOESN'T MEAN HE WAS A GOOD ONE, OUR PASS RUSH HAS SUCKED AND KENNARD HAS DONE NOTHING TO HELP IT.

His career high in sacks is 4.5 (rookie year, 4 years ago) as Gatorade Dunk pointed out... Guess what... Damontre Moore had 5.5 sacks that year too, does that make him a good pass rusher???

Devon Kennard is the Darian Thompson of LB's... Below-average in the NFL, but for whatever strange reason loved and anointed on BBI after doing not much of anything. He should be done here.


est1986:

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I HAVE CAPS LOCK! I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OLB AND DE RESPONSIBILITIES IN A 4-3 BUT I HAVE CAPS LOCK!


I paraphrased, but I think it's pretty much spot on.



Its actually dead wrong, you are dead wrong and you know it... you brought his pathetic stats up... still waiting for you to go on about how he was a good pass rusher... your argument was because in 4 years he was once 5th and once 3rd on the team in sacks... pathetic.

AND you keep going on about him being an OLB not a DE....

Nearly every one of his sacks came from him playing at DE or DT... SOOOOO that should show how much an idiot like you knows about this team.



He had sacks from the DT spot? Please show me the snap counts or kindly STFU.


LMAO!!! you never even knew he got a few snaps at DT? You probably didn't even know he played alot of DE!! Hahahaha!!! Done.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ANYONE WHO THINKS KENNARD IS ABOVE AVERAGE  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/1/2018 10:14 pm : link
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At defending the run, covering the pass or rushing the Passer... you must either be (A.) a bonafide homer or (B.) not the best football analyst.

If you say he is a good pass rusher based on his 9.5 career sacks in 4 seasons...
If you say he is good in coverage based on his 8 career pass deflection's and his one interception over 4 seasons...
If anyone thinks we should not move on from a LB who can barely average 30 tackles in a season...

Lets just agree to disagree..

And I'll just wait for all the teams to line up and throw that big, multi-year deal at him...

FUCK THE NUMBERS HAS ANYONE WATCHED OUR PASS RUSH OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS???? WHEN WAS KENNARD EVER A REAL THREAT??? CUT THE SHIT!!!! JUST BECAUSE HE WAS USED AS A RUSHER DOESN'T MEAN HE WAS A GOOD ONE, OUR PASS RUSH HAS SUCKED AND KENNARD HAS DONE NOTHING TO HELP IT.

His career high in sacks is 4.5 (rookie year, 4 years ago) as Gatorade Dunk pointed out... Guess what... Damontre Moore had 5.5 sacks that year too, does that make him a good pass rusher???

Devon Kennard is the Darian Thompson of LB's... Below-average in the NFL, but for whatever strange reason loved and anointed on BBI after doing not much of anything. He should be done here.


est1986:

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I HAVE CAPS LOCK! I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OLB AND DE RESPONSIBILITIES IN A 4-3 BUT I HAVE CAPS LOCK!


I paraphrased, but I think it's pretty much spot on.



Its actually dead wrong, you are dead wrong and you know it... you brought his pathetic stats up... still waiting for you to go on about how he was a good pass rusher... your argument was because in 4 years he was once 5th and once 3rd on the team in sacks... pathetic.

AND you keep going on about him being an OLB not a DE....

Nearly every one of his sacks came from him playing at DE or DT... SOOOOO that should show how much an idiot like you knows about this team.



He had sacks from the DT spot? Please show me the snap counts or kindly STFU.



LMAO!!! you never even knew he got a few snaps at DT? You probably didn't even know he played alot of DE!! Hahahaha!!! Done.

Snaps and sacks are two different things. Cite your work or STFU.
BBI  
Dragon : 2/1/2018 10:35 pm : link
Is were Giants fans go to hear all there chosen players are only a year away from stardom. The team is full of JAGís but for whatever reason they are still given whatever excuse needed. Kennard is a major tease at OLB I always felt he belonged inside but he is maybe not physical enough for that.

The fact remains at OLB he lacks speed everything else seems like itís there but he performs like JAG year after year. Iím still trying to figure out what was his role on this team the last few years. Now please letís not forget he is far from the only Giants who has this badge of honor JAG.
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fbdad : 2/2/2018 9:52 am : link
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is easily replaced.....not good in coverage, weak at the point of attack, and not the pass rusher he is made out to be.....

His "plays" are few and far between...


Has there ever been a player on the team that you've liked?


^^^^ That ^^^^
On a low $$ deal sure  
bigbluescot : 2/2/2018 10:52 am : link
he's an adequate player with decent experience who is scheme versatile. We're unlikely to be able to replace every LB and bring in suitable depth, so if he's available for low $$ then he's fine as rotation.
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arcarsenal : 2/2/2018 10:57 am : link
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Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.


He was third on the team with 4 sacks this past season (and 4.5 in his rookie year, good for fifth on the team). So maybe it was more than "that one year"?

There's good reason to believe that he'd be a nice fit in Bettcher's scheme.



Having the 3rd most sacks on this awful defense this year is like having the third most rushing yards on this awful offense this year. So let me guess, you think we should keep paul perkins too?


Actually, yeah - I'd give Perkins another shot as a depth RB.

He was running behind an impossible OL with Slick calling plays before he got hurt earlier this season.

He flashed enough in 2016 to warrant another look behind hopefully a better OL in a better offense.



What does the OL have to do with him being unable to run through an arm tackle? Why was Darkwa able to perform behind that same OL? He couldn't even do enough to show the coaches he deserved some touches down the stretch of a losing season.. He may make the 4th running back spot next season and do absolutely nothing but if he was a F/A there would be zero reason to bring him back and you know it (one would hope).


Darkwa didn't perform behind that "same OL"

The configuration was different after Perkins was injured and Darkwa had a lot more success running behind Fluker @ RG than John Jerry. Fluker's run blocking was vastly superior.

And Perkins actually did get some touches in the final two games, so that part is wrong too.
RE: BBI  
bigbluescot : 2/2/2018 10:58 am : link
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Is were Giants fans go to hear all there chosen players are only a year away from stardom. The team is full of JAGís but for whatever reason they are still given whatever excuse needed. Kennard is a major tease at OLB I always felt he belonged inside but he is maybe not physical enough for that.

The fact remains at OLB he lacks speed everything else seems like itís there but he performs like JAG year after year. Iím still trying to figure out what was his role on this team the last few years. Now please letís not forget he is far from the only Giants who has this badge of honor JAG.


Most teams have plenty of JAG's. With the CAP, you actually need some JAG's, it's next to impossible to have 11 all pro's on the field at anyone time and it's completely infeasible to have another 11 or so in rotation behind that.

Kennard is a ok player with decent experience and a decent, not good but decent, track record at getting to the passer. As a depth player on a reasonable deal he's not the worst player to have the squad. We're short on LB's as it is, we're not going to be able to bring in enough to refill the entire unit with quality via FA and the draft. I'd offer him a 2 year deal with a voidable second year on the cheap if he doesn't take it no loss.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He looked good rushing the QB that one year  
est1986 : 2/2/2018 11:58 am : link
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Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.


He was third on the team with 4 sacks this past season (and 4.5 in his rookie year, good for fifth on the team). So maybe it was more than "that one year"?

There's good reason to believe that he'd be a nice fit in Bettcher's scheme.



Having the 3rd most sacks on this awful defense this year is like having the third most rushing yards on this awful offense this year. So let me guess, you think we should keep paul perkins too?


Actually, yeah - I'd give Perkins another shot as a depth RB.

He was running behind an impossible OL with Slick calling plays before he got hurt earlier this season.

He flashed enough in 2016 to warrant another look behind hopefully a better OL in a better offense.



What does the OL have to do with him being unable to run through an arm tackle? Why was Darkwa able to perform behind that same OL? He couldn't even do enough to show the coaches he deserved some touches down the stretch of a losing season.. He may make the 4th running back spot next season and do absolutely nothing but if he was a F/A there would be zero reason to bring him back and you know it (one would hope).



Darkwa didn't perform behind that "same OL"

The configuration was different after Perkins was injured and Darkwa had a lot more success running behind Fluker @ RG than John Jerry. Fluker's run blocking was vastly superior.

And Perkins actually did get some touches in the final two games, so that part is wrong too.


So it was basically the same line minus one player, great point arc...

He did get touches in the end, great point again arc.... in four games in December he got a whopping 9 carries and 1 catch, arc with his brilliant insight once again...

What is your excuse for Perkins not being capable of breaking an arm tackle???

When he does absolutely nothing this year, I'll look for you arc... and gatorade dunk will be on my radar when Kennard does nothing once again..
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Gatorade Dunk : 2/2/2018 12:01 pm : link
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Which was like three years ago.. Alot of folks on BBI have since overrated him as a pass rusher. I say bye bye. Pass.


He was third on the team with 4 sacks this past season (and 4.5 in his rookie year, good for fifth on the team). So maybe it was more than "that one year"?

There's good reason to believe that he'd be a nice fit in Bettcher's scheme.



Having the 3rd most sacks on this awful defense this year is like having the third most rushing yards on this awful offense this year. So let me guess, you think we should keep paul perkins too?


Actually, yeah - I'd give Perkins another shot as a depth RB.

He was running behind an impossible OL with Slick calling plays before he got hurt earlier this season.

He flashed enough in 2016 to warrant another look behind hopefully a better OL in a better offense.



What does the OL have to do with him being unable to run through an arm tackle? Why was Darkwa able to perform behind that same OL? He couldn't even do enough to show the coaches he deserved some touches down the stretch of a losing season.. He may make the 4th running back spot next season and do absolutely nothing but if he was a F/A there would be zero reason to bring him back and you know it (one would hope).



Darkwa didn't perform behind that "same OL"

The configuration was different after Perkins was injured and Darkwa had a lot more success running behind Fluker @ RG than John Jerry. Fluker's run blocking was vastly superior.

And Perkins actually did get some touches in the final two games, so that part is wrong too.



So it was basically the same line minus one player, great point arc...

He did get touches in the end, great point again arc.... in four games in December he got a whopping 9 carries and 1 catch, arc with his brilliant insight once again...

What is your excuse for Perkins not being capable of breaking an arm tackle???

When he does absolutely nothing this year, I'll look for you arc... and gatorade dunk will be on my radar when Kennard does nothing once again..

Oooooh, I'll be on your radar. Can't wait!
RE: ANYONE WHO THINKS KENNARD IS ABOVE AVERAGE  
NikkiMac : 2/8/2018 4:51 am : link
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At defending the run, covering the pass or rushing the Passer... you must either be (A.) a bonafide homer or (B.) not the best football analyst.

If you say he is a good pass rusher based on his 9.5 career sacks in 4 seasons...
If you say he is good in coverage based on his 8 career pass deflection's and his one interception over 4 seasons...
If anyone thinks we should not move on from a LB who can barely average 30 tackles in a season...

Lets just agree to disagree..

And I'll just wait for all the teams to line up and throw that big, multi-year deal at him...

FUCK THE NUMBERS HAS ANYONE WATCHED OUR PASS RUSH OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS???? WHEN WAS KENNARD EVER A REAL THREAT??? CUT THE SHIT!!!! JUST BECAUSE HE WAS USED AS A RUSHER DOESN'T MEAN HE WAS A GOOD ONE, OUR PASS RUSH HAS SUCKED AND KENNARD HAS DONE NOTHING TO HELP IT.

His career high in sacks is 4.5 (rookie year, 4 years ago) as Gatorade Dunk pointed out... Guess what... Damontre Moore had 5.5 sacks that year too, does that make him a good pass rusher???

Devon Kennard is the Darian Thompson of LB's... Below-average in the NFL, but for whatever strange reason loved and anointed on BBI after doing not much of anything. He should be done here.


Giants probably carry 6 or 7 LBs they all canít be superstars. Do you think the giants are going to replace 30 players or something this year just cause theyíre on a rebuild, actually the only thing they need to rebuild is that damn OLine
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