I've been watching some of his games -- 6'4, 275 incredible edge rusher, extremely powerful, fast around the edge, great wingspan and reach, good in open space, great against the run, eats QBs, a relentless and violent player with a tremendous work ethic.
Put him on the defense with an aggressive coach like Bettcher and you are really beefing the line up - raising the defense to the next level
3rd pick 2016 - Joey Bosa
3rd pick 2015 - Dante Fowler
A pretty argument can be made that he's as good or better of a prospect than all 3 of those guys. Also seems to be a big gap between him and the next best DE. His production the last 2 years is unbelievable.
We also have Avery Moss. How did he fare last year? Seems like he wasn't used enough to give JPP/Vernon rest.
We also have Avery Moss. How did he fare last year? Seems like he wasn't used enough to give JPP/Vernon rest.
+1
For another year JPP was on the field for over 90% of the snaps. I said it a couple times but the Eagles formula of line changes really kept their top guys fresh and peaking in the playoffs, much like our Giants during the SB years.
3rd pick 2016 - Joey Bosa
3rd pick 2015 - Dante Fowler
A pretty argument can be made that he's as good or better of a prospect than all 3 of those guys. Also seems to be a big gap between him and the next best DE. His production the last 2 years is unbelievable.
Myles Garrett as well.
+1 agree. We would have to trade or release JPP or OV which is not happening.
Not that he isn’t worthy of the 2nd pick , but, the Giants have so much money tied up in the defensive line
Add Chubb into the mix and it will hamper the Giants from improving other areas
Not that he isn’t worthy of the 2nd pick , but, the Giants have so much money tied up in the defensive line
Add Chubb into the mix and it will hamper the Giants from improving other areas
"You can't have too many great players at one position"
- Dave Gettleman
Chubb would be a good pick but c'mon, our offense SUCKS!
Not that he isn’t worthy of the 2nd pick , but, the Giants have so much money tied up in the defensive line
Add Chubb into the mix and it will hamper the Giants from improving other areas
You're being short sighted. First, yeah, what did have three good defensive ends every get us? Second, if JPP continues to trend down, he is going to be cut after the 2018 season - leaving us with a giant hole at DE.
You do not draft for short-term fixes, you draft to fill your roster with the most high-end talent long term
Chubb would be a good pick but c'mon, our offense SUCKS!
vax -- I'm just watching videos of Osi, Stahan and Tuck talking about how the Giants beat the Pats -- and they did it by getting to Brady and battering him -- 17 points beat the Pats in 2008 - but they put Brady on the ground more times than they scored
great defense wins Superbowls
OV and JPP - even with as much as the Giants have invested in them -- are only going to be around for two more seasons -- you take Chubb and you have the juice now and a piece for three years from now
a great DE can take over a game
This draft will be so interesting.
One of the problems with the defense has been the inability to generate pressure with the front four. Chubb instantly impacts in that regard. Like others have said, JPP has been somewhat of an enigma. The addition of Chubb would make JPP expendable after ‘18 if JPP continues to decline.
I'm pretty confident the Browns will select a QB with their #1.
I'm looking at Fitzpatrick next -- Joey really likes him
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I would be shocked if the Giants selected Chubb
Not that he isn’t worthy of the 2nd pick , but, the Giants have so much money tied up in the defensive line
Add Chubb into the mix and it will hamper the Giants from improving other areas
"You can't have too many great players at one position"
- Dave Gettleman
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I would be shocked if the Giants selected Chubb
Not that he isn’t worthy of the 2nd pick , but, the Giants have so much money tied up in the defensive line
Add Chubb into the mix and it will hamper the Giants from improving other areas
"You can't have too many great players at one position"
- Dave Gettleman
The thing about this comment, and I know that's how they justified picking Kiwanuka, but did that experiment actually work? They ended up playing him at an unfamiliar position and he was good for about 3-4 sacks a year.
The other thing is why would you think the Giants won't take a QB there. Everything points to the Giants taking a QB, if they don't it will be a huge surprise. Is there a Lawrence Taylor in this draft? Then that player won't be selected at 2.
Reggie Bush or Mario Williams...and so on...
If one is in the " not-in-love-with-the-QBs' group, not sure where I am yet on that, Chubb is my guy. Yes, lots of money there...but that is where it should be to win Lombardis, and maybe it gives us flexibility if JPP continues to decline, which I suspect he will, as another poster pointed out!
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I would be shocked if the Giants selected Chubb
Not that he isn’t worthy of the 2nd pick , but, the Giants have so much money tied up in the defensive line
Add Chubb into the mix and it will hamper the Giants from improving other areas
"You can't have too many great players at one position"
- Dave Gettleman
The thing about this comment, and I know that's how they justified picking Kiwanuka, but did that experiment actually work? They ended up playing him at an unfamiliar position and he was good for about 3-4 sacks a year.
The other thing is why would you think the Giants won't take a QB there. Everything points to the Giants taking a QB, if they don't it will be a huge surprise. Is there a Lawrence Taylor in this draft? Then that player won't be selected at 2.
Agree; an under represented point.
JPP or Vernon will likely be gone after 2018. Chubb would be a great replacement.
As bad as this rationale is, I also feel like we've had so many great defensive ends that taking one #2 would be disappointing. It would be cool to get a great player either at QB or at a position we haven't had a great player in in a long time. I know that's bad rationale.
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Would be a great pick, but you also have players like Barkley and Donald who are probably rated just as high or higher (and in positions of greater need). Plus you have to consider the salary cap implications. Can the Giants afford to tie up more of the salary cap at the DE position given what they are paying JPP and OV?
+1 agree. We would have to trade or release JPP or OV which is not happening.
We don't need to do either with OV or JPP just yet. Chubb would be on a rookie deal for 4 years at least.
What it does do though is put JPP and OV on notice, they have to perform to warrant their heft contracts.
We do have a lot invested in OV and JPP, I wouldn't be surprised if Gettleman plans to address that.
After the 2018 season, we could cut/trade JPP and save $9.5m ($14.5m if a post June 1 cut designation). We could cut/trade OV and save $11.5m ($15.5m if a post June 1 cut designation)
One of the problems with the defense has been the inability to generate pressure with the front four. Chubb instantly impacts in that regard. Like others have said, JPP has been somewhat of an enigma. The addition of Chubb would make JPP expendable after ‘18 if JPP continues to decline.
I like Chubb but no way would he have a bigger impact than Barkley. Barkley would have an enormous affect on the offense. Every offensive snap in the game would be affected by Barkley. Chubb wouldn't affect every defensive snap, at least not the same impact.
Bring him on board with the 2 studs in the middle. Pretty formidable DLine
If we go defense, I'm totally cool with Chubb.
They aren't worth their contracts and this team is weak at defensive end. Chubb would be justified if they didn't like the QBs.
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I would be shocked if the Giants selected Chubb
Not that he isn’t worthy of the 2nd pick , but, the Giants have so much money tied up in the defensive line
Add Chubb into the mix and it will hamper the Giants from improving other areas
"You can't have too many great players at one position"
- Dave Gettleman
The thing about this comment, and I know that's how they justified picking Kiwanuka, but did that experiment actually work? They ended up playing him at an unfamiliar position and he was good for about 3-4 sacks a year.
We'll never really know what Kiwanuka was capable of. His entire career was a long string of taking one for the team.