24 hours ago, Eli was the only quarterback to go head-to-head against Tom Brady in the Super Bowl and win. And when Giants fans pointed to his postseason success and some moron shouted out, "What about Trent Dilfer? Are you saying he should be in the Hall of Fame," we should calmly answer, "Did Dilfer win MVP and lead a last minute game-winning drive? No? Then STFO."
Now when we talk about Eli's legacy, some mouth-breather can respond, "What about Nick Foles? Are you saying he should be in the Hall of Fame?" Sure, we can say Eli did it twice, but when if the Eagles keep Foles, Wentz goes down again next year, and the Eagles win again? Sure, we can point to Eli's career stats, but to most critics, Eli's interception total is the only stat worth talking about.
Like it or not, I think Eli's HOF chances took a hit last night.
Outside of his commercial, nothing about last night had anything to do with Eli Manning.
Everything we had is gone.
Eli being the only QB to beat Brady
Giants only team to beat Belichick
Eagles no Super Bowls
It's all gone.
Oh, FFS.
People aren't saying Jeff Hostetler belonged in the HOF.
that crap was the gayest BS ever.
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game had no impact.
that crap was the gayest BS ever.
Not that there was anything wrong with it.
People aren't saying Jeff Hostetler belonged in the HOF.
Actually, good point.
Does Hos winning, and beating Buffalo, take away from Troy Aikman's three wins, two of which came against Buffalo?
Of course not...and why the logic fails miserably.
I want the Giants to win Lombardis. And I wanted the Eagles to never, ever win a Lombardi.
The unspeakable horror last night was the Eagles winning a Lombardi, not any perceived hit on the Giants' or Eli's legacy.
Besides, the Giants (with Eli) beat an 18-0 Patriots team that was way, way better that the 2017 Patriots. Eli actually had to beat a good defense.
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game had no impact.
that crap was the gayest BS ever.
Seriously. I cringed. Very uncomfortable watching it, partially due to 3-13.
Perfect analogy. The NFL downgraded itself last night to the Arena League. That game didn't resemble anything that I am interested in watching on a regular basis. If that's the NFL's future, I have better things to do with my time.
Foles got 41, so in comparison, Foles performance in one game scored about what Eli orchestrated in two. And again, Eli had a great defense getting him the ball more.
Nevertheless, Eli probably won’t be considered a great qb because his stats don’t reflect greatness. He is a good qb though.
Foles got 41, so in comparison, Foles performance in one game scored about what Eli orchestrated in two. And again, Eli had a great defense getting him the ball more.
Nevertheless, Eli probably won’t be considered a great qb because his stats don’t reflect greatness. He is a good qb though.
Eli's legacy is what it is. The rings are the rings, the Super Bowl wins are the Super Bowl wins, nobody's erasing those two episodes of "America's Game." The Eagles won, but "everything we had is gone" seems wrong to me.
But that being said, I don't see what Nick Foles defeating the 2017 Patriots has to do with Eli defeating the 2007 and 2011 Patriots. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some slob HOF voter who does in fact use that as 'evidence' against Eli.
NE defense allowed 18.5 points per game, fifth best in the NFL this year. FYI, Philly was fourth best, 18.4.
I know they gave up some passing yards early in the season due to injuries and new players adjusting to new system, but 18.5 is pretty impressive. To get 41........wow
Well, they did until Cooks was knocked out.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't hear a lot of people talking about this. I personally think it was a game-changer. JMHO...
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... no big threat at WR ...
Well, they did until Cooks was knocked out.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't hear a lot of people talking about this. I personally think it was a game-changer. JMHO...
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... no big threat at WR ...
Well, they did until Cooks was knocked out.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't hear a lot of people talking about this. I personally think it was a game-changer. JMHO...
Lol.....game changer. They scored every time they had the ball after he left. They didn’t need him one bit. Gronk, Hogan, and Amendola ate all night long.
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... no big threat at WR ...
Well, they did until Cooks was knocked out.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't hear a lot of people talking about this. I personally think it was a game-changer. JMHO...
Brady threw for 505 yards, 3 TD's and 0 INTs.
With Cooks their offense wouldn't have struggled so much?
I do believe he makes it and don't believe last night played a role either way.
also, let's be sure to look back and credit the Defense for shutting down explosive offenses
also, let's be sure to look back and credit the Defense for shutting down explosive offenses
Look at what the hell you;re asking man..,seriously what the hell is in the PCP youre taking man?
And people have already repeatedly expressed the opinion on this matter, with amazing consensus: how many times did they vote Eli as among the top players in his position, aka, the All-Pro (1st and 2nd team) voting, the MVP voting, and the OPOY voting ? Where have they consistently placed Eli in the annual voting of NFL Top-100 players? How many of his peers have voiced fear -- not respect, but fear -- of Eli be their opponent, with his career record of 8 games over .500 over 14 years?
Beating the Patriots twice in the Super Bowls constitutes 95% of Eli's credential to a borderline HoF status, so of course last night's results matters. It took a big chunk out of that credential and mystique.
The idea that this somehow tarnished the Giants wins is an obsession on this board I don t get.
The Pats are 5-4 in Super Bowls, 5-3 with Brady. Everyone of their games had a chance to go either way.
It s not like the Eagles pulled off an unbelievable upset. Their path to this game was much easier than the Giants in 0-7, and the Patriots were not 18 - 0
The idea that this in anyway detracts from what the Giants and Eli accomplished in 07, is a creation of some pretty insecure Giants fans
But had the Patriots won again last night, then surely a lot fans would have proudly reminded the world that "only Eli and the Giants have beaten the Brady and the Pats!!" In fact, how many here rooted for a NE Super Bowl win in 2014 and 2016 for that exact reason, even though their opponents were not the hated Eagles?
So now that the reverse had happened, now that this unique claim is no longer true, it has no effect on how non-Giants fans view Eli's achievement? What a wishful thinking that Patriots' Super Bowl performance, a very significant event, is somehow a one-way street on impacting Eli's legacy.
Everything we had is gone.
Eli being the only QB to beat Brady
Giants only team to beat Belichick
Eagles no Super Bowls
It's all gone.
Holy shit. Call Tosh.
I don't think this has any impact on Manning. What he did, especially in '07, was awesome. Eagles don't factor into this.
Well played indeed!
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Which is why it's so fucking baffling to me that even a fairweather Giants fan would prefer the Eagles winning that game.
Everything we had is gone.
Eli being the only QB to beat Brady
Giants only team to beat Belichick
Eagles no Super Bowls
It's all gone.
Holy shit. Call Tosh.
Doesn't make what I said any less true.
It's all gone.
Seriously though, I don't think this does anything to Eli's resume for the HOF per se, but the perception of him being the only QB to conquer Mt. Brady was something I loved having over friends and family who don't root for the Giants. Our two runs against the Patriots were almost magical and in that sense, I'm sad those days are over. It's why I was rooting so hard for the Pats last year as well.
And of course it was the Eagles that did it.