What Eagles victory showed

If an offense doesn't suffer self-inflicted wounds (penalties, turnovers, etc.) that it's almost impossible for a defense to stop them in the modern day NFL. If you think about it last night, you'd be hard pressed to say that either defense didn't play well, yet there were about a million yards gained and 74 points scored.

Preach it brother. Big wide bodied people Rule!

now the next day we have to deal with these "WHAT THIS GAME MEANS" shit-house level threads today. Fucking hell.

All we need is a great offensive line, a great running game, and a great defense! Since Foles did well that means that it is guaranteed that Webb will be too!

"all of these QBs coming out are flawed due to lack of experience, physical issues , or lack of height, or level of competition." This is the case every year. Jared Goff and Wentz both fit into these categories yet the Eagles would not have won the Superbowl if they didn't have home field advantage due to the performance of Wentz.

with 1 winning season in the past 5 with Eli. They are in fantastic position to build for the future. It would be foolish, short sighted, and wasteful to treat this as a win now pick.

But hey, spin the SB to push whatever narrative you want. Philly's roster is only miles ahead of ours up and down, they are coming off their first ever SB victory and first appearance in what 14 years, and suddenly they are blueprint opposed to the Patriots who are there year in year out behind their QB and HC?

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with 1 winning season in the past 5 with Eli. They are in fantastic position to build for the future. It would be foolish, short sighted, and wasteful to treat this as a win now pick. But hey, spin the SB to push whatever narrative you want. Philly's roster is only miles ahead of ours up and down, they are coming off their first ever SB victory and first appearance in what 14 years, and suddenly they are blueprint opposed to the Patriots who are there year in year out behind their QB and HC?

+1,000

the Pats D missed a boat load of tackles.

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with 1 winning season in the past 5 with Eli. They are in fantastic position to build for the future. It would be foolish, short sighted, and wasteful to treat this as a win now pick. But hey, spin the SB to push whatever narrative you want. Philly's roster is only miles ahead of ours up and down, they are coming off their first ever SB victory and first appearance in what 14 years, and suddenly they are blueprint opposed to the Patriots who are there year in year out behind their QB and HC?

The Eagles were 50-1 to win this year. I cant fucking wait for the Giants to get ther high ass pick and add it to a roster that needs way way way way way less than any usual #2 pick/

The Eagles amazing tea game up 600 yards.....and won

Iggles don’t get to the playoffs without Wentz who was having an MVP season his second year in the NFL. Number 2 pick should be for a QB, either Rosen or Darnold. Gettleman is going to address the O line and hopefully he will have better picks in the mid rounds. Having a real head coach should make a big difference too.

is that you can win the SuperBowl with. A marginal QB? And you are using this as evidence for keeping a QB that costs $21,000,000 a year?

Good thing you thought this through before starting a thread and looking like an ass.

A bad Seattle team. An injury plagued GB. Nobody in the East to even challenge these guys. A mediocre nfc South. And who do they play? A Falcon team that never clicked offensively all year after losing Shanahan to SF. And a Minnesota team led by a journey man QB whose clock struck midnight in the championship game in humiliating fashion.

and a stud RB, why hasn’t Dallas won a SB recently? Maybe Foles is a better QB than we thought? Peterson is almost certainly a better HC than most of us thought, and certainly better than the clapper.

Your best bet to win a SB is still to have a top flight QB. He can make up for weaknesses in other areas.

We have the #2 pick. I am trying to state that I do not believe that any of these QB will be graded higher at NUMBER TWO than other position players. But there are narrow minded people here who are so transfixed on a QB that they try to reinvent what I said. If we Picked below the top 5 the QBs may grade out higher and a QB may be the choice. Many Draft Boards do not rate these QBs in the Top 5. However, all of them may go in the first or early second round below 5. Why is this years's crop any different from prior years? Because Mel kipper and other "GURUS"said so? If the Giants stay #2 they have to take the highest graded player and that not does not depend upon the player being a dream QB who may help us SOME DAY DOWN THE ROAD in a year or two or maybe NEVER. They could trade down and still find a player at a different position who is equally graded and who will ACTUALLY see the field and PLAY in 2018. Now wouldn't that be nice. To see our top draft choice actually play and help the 2018 Giants win and not be watching from the BENCH behind Eli and Webb.

Not playing it in the hopes you can hang on for a win

Diminishes how well Foles played last night.

He was the MVP and deserved. If anything his performance and mobility demonstrate why the Giants should hope their guy is there at 2 and take him.

How does that make him different than Geno Smith?. And that disqualifies Rosen. Is he mobile? Do you want to see a concussion prone QB run? If it is a QB he is not going to PLAY right away or he may never play.....that is the point. You want to see a bench warmer and tell the GM that he is suppose to move him, a Rookie, ahead of an NFL veteran who has actually played against NFL defenses. That will NEVER HAPPEN because as bad as the team performed it is not starting from Scratch and inserting a QB directly out of college. At best he will be fighting with Webb to get off the practice squad. If Eli gets hurt it will be Webb and not the draft pick who will play, because Webb knows the play book and has seen Eli and smith on the field up close playing against NFL defenses. You think it is easy for a college QB to step right in and be successful? I don't think so.That is why Webb is being groomed slowly.

Would you rather have Carson Wentz, Jared Goff or Ezekiel Elliott? Wentz and Goff likely will sit for a year but you have your next potential franchise QB.

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If Eli gets hurt it will be Webb and not the draft pick who will play, because Webb knows the play book and has seen Eli and smith on the field up close playing against NFL defenses. You think it is easy for a college QB to step right in and be successful? I don't think so.That is why Webb is being groomed slowly.

First off you wrongly assume the #2 pick wouldn't be the primary backup which is false. Second Webb is playing in a new offense so he is just learning the playbook too. The Giants don't even have a new OC yet so Webb doesn't have the playbook yet.

I thought what was most evident about the Eagles offense was not so much the personnel - but some outstanding play design and playcalling.

Coaching in this league cannot be understated. It is by far the most important across all major sports.

I feel like Belichick got outBelichick'd last night.

In comment 13822536 Alwaysblue22 said:

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We have the #2 pick. I am trying to state that I do not believe that any of these QB will be graded higher at NUMBER TWO than other position players. But there are narrow minded people here who are so transfixed on a QB that they try to reinvent what I said. If we Picked below the top 5 the QBs may grade out higher and a QB may be the choice. Many Draft Boards do not rate these QBs in the Top 5. However, all of them may go in the first or early second round below 5. Why is this years's crop any different from prior years? Because Mel kipper and other "GURUS"said so? If the Giants stay #2 they have to take the highest graded player and that not does not depend upon the player being a dream QB who may help us SOME DAY DOWN THE ROAD in a year or two or maybe NEVER. They could trade down and still find a player at a different position who is equally graded and who will ACTUALLY see the field and PLAY in 2018. Now wouldn't that be nice. To see our top draft choice actually play and help the 2018 Giants win and not be watching from the BENCH behind Eli and Webb.

First off the people here who want a QB at #2 because they believe that a specific QB is the best choice for the future of the franchise not for the sake of taking a QB.

"Many Draft Boards do not rate these QBs in the Top 5. However, all of them may go in the first or early second round below 5. Why is this years's crop any different from prior years? Because Mel kipper and other "GURUS"said so?"

You completely contradict yourself here. You criticize those for wanting a QB because you they listen to Kiper and the "other gurus",which is inaccurate, but you refer to draft boards which "do not rate QB's in the top 5" which are made by "Mel Kiper and other Gurus." Also I don't know which lists you are looking at but Darnold and Rosen alone are in nearly every top 5 or top 10 list.

In comment 13822758 arcarsenal said:

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I thought what was most evident about the Eagles offense was not so much the personnel - but some outstanding play design and playcalling. Coaching in this league cannot be understated. It is by far the most important across all major sports.

I couldn't agree more.

Collins and Jenkins don't think the Eagle GM would trade any Eagle starters for Giant starters.

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Collins and Jenkins don't think the Eagle GM would trade any Eagle starters for Giant starters.

Snacks?

for Fletcher Cox?

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for Fletcher Cox?

No Snacks for Timmy Jernigan

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In comment 13822785 XBRONX said: Quote: for Fletcher Cox? No Snacks for Timmy Jernigan

It’s close. Jernigan this year was a beast for them. I’d probably lean Snacks.

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I thought what was most evident about the Eagles offense was not so much the personnel - but some outstanding play design and playcalling. Coaching in this league cannot be understated. It is by far the most important across all major sports.

Really? That’s what you took away? Not the fact that the Eagles have Jeffrey, Agahlor who was a #1, two really good tight ends and three running backs better than anyone we have? Please. Good coaching needs good players to take advantage of the good coaching.

Played 3 Outstanding Playoff Games.... Went 27td-2Int's as an Eagle QB 5 years ago. Did you watched him Play and the throws he made, along with His Pocket Presence? That was extraordinary QB Play, and it can't be diminished.

He wasn't along for the Ride---He Carried That Team! Can he do it again and again????..... IDK, but He was GREAT!!!!!

Diminishes how well Foles played last night.

He was the MVP and deserved. If anything his performance and mobility demonstrate why the Giants should hope their guy is there at 2 and take him.

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In comment 13822769 XBRONX said: Quote: Collins and Jenkins don't think the Eagle GM would trade any Eagle starters for Giant starters. Snacks?

I'd think Landon Collins would start.

But that's a good point. We're talking MAYBE 2 guys on our team would start for Philly.

This team is so far away from contention we're rebuilding from scratch. I don't know where the idea we're just a few players away comes from.

Here's something sobering to consider. How many Giants would start for the Cowboys? Not many more I'd wager.

Eagles barely beat Giants both games.

Giants lost many close games.

Giants went 11-5 last season and before you start with the luck and easy schedule - look at the schedule the Eagles played this year - 4 wins at most against 500 teams.

Next year is all about fixing the OLine.

Jernigan and Cox are great but Snacks and Tomlinson (up and coming) nothing to sneeze at. Vernon's good - Jackrabbit, DRC, and Collins - Eagles D is that much better? really - they had pass rush Giants didn't.

Offensive line is the biggest difference. Our wr corps - Beckham, Shepard, and Engram - that's a great corps of receivers.

like Eagles were like the 90s Cowboy teams.