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Crazy Thought - What if Eagles traded Wentz

DaddyM89 : 2/5/2018 4:09 pm
I know I know crazy. But you would think the negotiations would start at 3 1st round picks for a cost controlled young franchise QB.
they'd be borderline Browns to do so  
Rocky369 : 2/5/2018 4:10 pm : link
prefer to keep the cost controlled QB rather than negotiate with the SB MVP, considering cost, age, and talent level of both.
I think Foles  
jvm52106 : 2/5/2018 4:22 pm : link
is highly underrated. Not saying keep him over Wentz, just that he is better than people give him credit for.
Yup you're right, that's crazy  
JohnB : 2/5/2018 4:40 pm : link
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Its crazy and would never happen in a million years.  
Keith : 2/5/2018 4:41 pm : link
I know you aren't suggesting that it could or should happen, but its a hypothetical question. Wentz is vital to the Eagles organization.

All that being said, yeah, I think it would start at (3) 1sts.
The Eagles just won the Super Bowl without Wentz  
Go Terps : 2/5/2018 4:44 pm : link
They played possibly their two best offensive games of the year in the conference championship and Super Bowl without him.

We just saw how vital he isn't.
On top of the craziness,  
MOOPS : 2/5/2018 4:44 pm : link
he's injured. He couldn't pass a physical.
RE: The Eagles just won the Super Bowl without Wentz  
ajr2456 : 2/5/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13822688 Go Terps said:
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They played possibly their two best offensive games of the year in the conference championship and Super Bowl without him.

We just saw how vital he isn't.


You truly don't believe this right?
Eagles will get a lot  
mrvax : 2/5/2018 4:48 pm : link
once they trade Foles. He played very well after a little rust to start and when they went RPO, foles was the man.
Nick Foles is another QB who proves  
djstat : 2/5/2018 5:13 pm : link
What a lousy staff Jeff FIsher had with the RAMS.

Foles
Goff
Keenum

All played significantly better without Fisher in their life.
RE: RE: The Eagles just won the Super Bowl without Wentz  
adamg : 2/5/2018 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13822694 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 13822688 Go Terps said:


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They played possibly their two best offensive games of the year in the conference championship and Super Bowl without him.

We just saw how vital he isn't.



You truly don't believe this right?


Have you seen his other posts?
RE: The Eagles just won the Super Bowl without Wentz  
Keith : 2/5/2018 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13822688 Go Terps said:
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They played possibly their two best offensive games of the year in the conference championship and Super Bowl without him.

We just saw how vital he isn't.


First off, Wentz is a major reason they got there. Secondly, he's vital to that organization. At the end of the day, it's a business. Wentz is the face of the franchise and he's just a baby. It would be beyond stupid to even consider and every single player on that team would be furious and would change the whole dynamic of the lockerroom. This isn't madden 2018.
Jesus Christ  
Danny Kanell : 2/5/2018 7:11 pm : link
Foles got hot. If he was the starting QB from day 1, they likely are a wild card team at best. They won the Superbowl in major part because Wentz put them in a position to have 2 home games to get to the Superbowl and get hot at the right time.

And I like Foles.
Terps posts in absolutes  
UConn4523 : 2/5/2018 7:17 pm : link
once something happens once all teams should strive to make it the new norm. He throws out all other factors, including how rare and lucky something can be/is. He then suggests that all GMs should approach their franchise in the same fashion. Itís remarkable really.
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2018 7:19 pm : link
Carson Wentz was likely going to win league MVP if he hadn't been injured.

I can't believe people are getting fooled by Foles again after 2013.

He's a good, serviceable QB, who did an excellent job when given the chance. But we've seen this movie before.

Don't forget that in the final game of the regular season, the Eagles were shut out by Dallas - Foles completed just 4 passes for 39 yards before he took a seat.

So yes, it's a crazy thought - and no, Wentz isn't going anywhere. He is the starter the second he's healthy.

The Eagles would be wise to hang onto Foles for next year as insurance. His contract is a bargain for one more year. Wentz may not be ready to start the season anyway.
I hope the Eagles do what Terps suggests  
UConn4523 : 2/5/2018 7:22 pm : link
trade Wentz, roll with Foles, then trade up and try to land another QB since he would advocate not paying for Foles (which I would agree with). Basically keep trying to strike gold and get lucky, sounds like a good strategy.
If Wentz is healthy for training camp  
RobCarpenter : 2/5/2018 7:25 pm : link
Then if Iím the Eagles I trade Foles to a team without an established QB. Even after this offseason there will be teams who need a QB. And the Eagles can name their price.
RE: If Wentz is healthy for training camp  
UConn4523 : 2/5/2018 7:28 pm : link
In comment 13822883 RobCarpenter said:
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Then if Iím the Eagles I trade Foles to a team without an established QB. Even after this offseason there will be teams who need a QB. And the Eagles can name their price.


I get it, but most of those teams will already have their QB via draft or FA. They are better off holding him and letting Wentz ease back in, and have Foles rostered in case there is a big injury to a playoff team mid season.
RE: Terps posts in absolutes  
Keith : 2/5/2018 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13822874 UConn4523 said:
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once something happens once all teams should strive to make it the new norm. He throws out all other factors, including how rare and lucky something can be/is. He then suggests that all GMs should approach their franchise in the same fashion. Itís remarkable really.


Why is that so hard? Just get the best coach of all time, then draft the best QB of all time. When heís up for his next contract, youíll probably want to trade him, well, have the vision that he will be the best of all time and keep him. That will allow you to trade every other great player when itís time to pay them. Sit back, never pay anyone and watch the wins roll in! Not that hard.
If someone offered me a #2 or better for Foles,  
Keith : 2/5/2018 7:37 pm : link
Iíd be all over it and Iíd find another backup. Canít pass that up with Foles on the last year of his deal.
RE: If someone offered me a #2 or better for Foles,  
arcarsenal : 2/5/2018 7:45 pm : link
In comment 13822897 Keith said:
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Iíd be all over it and Iíd find another backup. Canít pass that up with Foles on the last year of his deal.


I would too - but I do think Foles has a lot of value to PHI next year specifically with Wentz returning from injury.

If for any reason he has a setback, gets re-injured, or just struggles or isn't himself, they'll want to be able to go back to Foles.

2nd rd pick or better, I'd take it. 3rd I'd have to think about it. Anything beyond that, I'd probably turn down.
No doubt,  
Keith : 2/5/2018 7:48 pm : link
same page on that one bud.
If that were to happen  
paesan98 : 2/5/2018 8:10 pm : link
my question would be when did Dan Snyder buy the Eagles?
RE: Terps posts in absolutes  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/5/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13822874 UConn4523 said:
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once something happens once all teams should strive to make it the new norm. He throws out all other factors, including how rare and lucky something can be/is. He then suggests that all GMs should approach their franchise in the same fashion. Itís remarkable really.

The only thing worse on here than the trolls are the sincere posters who you wish were trolling, just for their own sake.
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BrettNYG10 : 2/5/2018 9:25 pm : link
If the Browns called and offered their first round picks for Wentz, would you take it?

I think I might do that if I were the Eagles. Every player has a price.
RE: .....  
chopperhatch : 2/5/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13823021 BrettNYG10 said:
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If the Browns called and offered their first round picks for Wentz, would you take it?

I think I might do that if I were the Eagles. Every player has a price.


Both 1sts?! In this draft? After just winning it all 24 hours ago?

Youd be an idiot not to consider it.
RE: .....  
arcarsenal : 2/5/2018 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13823021 BrettNYG10 said:
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If the Browns called and offered their first round picks for Wentz, would you take it?

I think I might do that if I were the Eagles. Every player has a price.


I don't know that I would do it.

Because that means one of two things are true:

1. Nick Foles is who you're committing to going forward
or..
2. You're going to use one of those picks on a QB that may well not be nearly as good as Wentz

Having a good, young, ascending QB on a rookie contract is basically the holy grail of the NFL. Why trade it away once you have it?

You're right that pretty much anyone has a price at some point. But if it's me, I actually don't think I'd do it although it'd be tempting to draft Chubb + one of these QB's.
Nope, def not.  
Keith : 2/5/2018 9:57 pm : link
Stop looking at this run and thinking anyone can do it. Wentz was an mvp candidate who is what, 24? It would be beyond stupid. Thereís a better chance both of those picks are busts as opposed to even one coming close to wentz.
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BrettNYG10 : 2/5/2018 9:59 pm : link
I think maybe the game has changed a bit from where it was even five years ago and that the pieces around a QB make it a bit easier for an average talent to thrive at the position.

If the Jaguars called and offered their next three firsts, Iíd say no. But two top five picks is absurdly tempting.
Itís like splitting 10ís.  
Keith : 2/5/2018 10:03 pm : link
You have a winner, donít split it in the hope you pull 2 more 10ís. Keep the winner!

You hope wentz turns into the next Rodgers, Peyton, Brady...heís certainly off to a good start. Imagine they were traded in their second year. Itís actually an absurd thought.
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2018 10:04 pm : link
Basically when you hit on a young QB, you have a window where you can really maximize the ceiling of your team.

A few examples being... SEA before Wilson got his new deal. What you saw with LAR this year and Goff. Wentz, obviously. What HOU could have been with Watson. IND with Luck a few years ago.

So, I think if you're the Eagles, you're in a spot where you can really have a few great years here. They've already got this Super Bowl. If they play their cards right, they can get back.

Obviously we all hope that won't happen - but it can.

And I'm not suggesting not paying a QB if they're proven and due a new deal. It's just much easier to build your team when you have a QB performing at a high level on a lower salary at the most important position in the sport.
A better way to look at it...  
Keith : 2/5/2018 10:05 pm : link
A franchise qb can make up for some holes, but if you donít have one, you better have a special supporting cast. Not to mention, franchise qbís are built for sustained success, not a one hit wonder.
RE: .  
FStubbs : 2/5/2018 10:05 pm : link
In comment 13822875 arcarsenal said:
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Carson Wentz was likely going to win league MVP if he hadn't been injured.

I can't believe people are getting fooled by Foles again after 2013.

He's a good, serviceable QB, who did an excellent job when given the chance. But we've seen this movie before.

Don't forget that in the final game of the regular season, the Eagles were shut out by Dallas - Foles completed just 4 passes for 39 yards before he took a seat.

So yes, it's a crazy thought - and no, Wentz isn't going anywhere. He is the starter the second he's healthy.

The Eagles would be wise to hang onto Foles for next year as insurance. His contract is a bargain for one more year. Wentz may not be ready to start the season anyway.


Nobody is going to give up much for Foles. It's been proven he's only any good when he's in Philly.
Iím not so sure if that.  
Keith : 2/5/2018 10:07 pm : link
Teams desperate for qbís make poor decisions.
RE: The Eagles just won the Super Bowl without Wentz  
Section331 : 2/5/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13822688 Go Terps said:
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They played possibly their two best offensive games of the year in the conference championship and Super Bowl without him.

We just saw how vital he isn't.


Heís under team control for 3 more years, while Foles will be due next year. For someone who is always moaning about paying players, you want to trade Wentz to pay Foles? Umm, OK?
Trade  
TyreeHelmet : 2/6/2018 10:55 am : link
He'd be worth 3-4 1st round picks.
Silly, why would they trade away a 25 year old QB...  
GFAN52 : 2/6/2018 10:58 am : link
then be looking for a young QB in a few years.
Trading the QB for  
chopperhatch : 2/6/2018 2:33 pm : link
Two picks in the top 4 of THIS draftvthat you can draft a QB to compete as well as either Barkley, Nelson, Fitzpatrick etc. That is two much to pass up IMO. Yes, you dont trade away franchise QBs. But one just won you the Super Bowl.
RE: Trading the QB for  
GFAN52 : 2/6/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13823903 chopperhatch said:
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Two picks in the top 4 of THIS draftvthat you can draft a QB to compete as well as either Barkley, Nelson, Fitzpatrick etc. That is two much to pass up IMO. Yes, you dont trade away franchise QBs. But one just won you the Super Bowl.


They know what they have in Wentz, there's NO guarantee they would be so lucky again.
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