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NFT: Todd Frazier is a Met

ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 8:47 pm
Boom... Love this move!
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huge  
2cents : 2/6/2018 9:39 am : link
huge move for the mets, they have finally acknowledged that david wright will not be their 3rd basemen and actually invested in a replacement. as long as he gets sheltered in the lineup this will turn out well, if he gets forced into 4/5 hole due to injuries I think that sub .200 average and all those K's will kill the offense.
Fangraphs  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 9:45 am : link
top 100 0 Mets, BP 1 Met
Some of the negativity around this signing  
gmen9892 : 2/6/2018 9:48 am : link
Is pretty crazy. For 8.5 a year for 2 years, you are adding a huge upgrade defensively, a positive influence to the clubhouse along with some toughness, and you are getting 20-25 homers and possibly 80+ rbis out of the 3B position. When was the last time we have seen that? 2013?

Yes, he has a low batting average, but I think the positives greatly outweigh the small amount of negatives.

Perhaps the best part of this is that it allows the Mets to get at least one more piece, maybe even 2 pieces (SP/RP) for the price they got him at. Say what you want about Sandy, but he gets the guys he needs to at his price. With the constraints he is given financially, thats as good as you can ask for.
So where are we as of now...  
Chris684 : 2/6/2018 9:48 am : link
Likely we can expect a DW retirement press conference sometime this spring?

C-TDA
1B-AGON
2B-Cabrera
SS-Rosario
3B-Frazier
LF-YC
CF-Lagares
RF-Bruce

Bench-Nimmo, Reyes, Flores
Dom Smith @ AAA

Rotation: Thor, Jake, Vet FA, Harvey/Matz/Lugo/Wheeler for 2 spots?
This is a pretty good move - not great, not terrible.  
Ira : 2/6/2018 9:48 am : link
The plusses are his d, his walk rate and pop. The minuses are ba, strikeouts and age (2 year contract).
nice signing  
Csonka : 2/6/2018 9:51 am : link
Frazier's a nice piece. I like the depth of this team now. To contend, we still depend on the pitchers getting and staying healthy. That hasn't changed.
This  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 9:53 am : link
is a textbook "solid" signing. He has pluses, minuses and the value is good. It's not a season "changer" but it gives them another solid MLB starting position player. His time with the Yankees likely has people projecting an OBP higher than realistic but he's solid.
RE: So where are we as of now...  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 13823341 Chris684 said:
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Likely we can expect a DW retirement press conference sometime this spring?

C-TDA
1B-AGON
2B-Cabrera
SS-Rosario
3B-Frazier
LF-YC
CF-Lagares
RF-Bruce

Bench-Nimmo, Reyes, Flores
Dom Smith @ AAA

Rotation: Thor, Jake, Vet FA, Harvey/Matz/Lugo/Wheeler for 2 spots?


He still insists he's not ready to retire. He looks awful though (sorry I'm being honest not cruel).
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 10:01 am : link
I want him to be wrong but just spoke to a writer who thinks Mets fans are HUGELY overrating Gimenez based on "the unknown"

"Tools aren't loud. Not suggesting he can't be good and tools aren't the end all be all but he's not a Rosario. Upside to me is league average regular and long way to go. Not a special guy to me".
People keep saying it  
pjcas18 : 2/6/2018 10:02 am : link
and I guess it could happen, but Wright has zero incentive to retire.

Sure, he's seems like a good guy and a team guy, but he's owed $47M guaranteed dollars. I don't care who you are, you don't walk away from that for pride.

Secondly, the Mets are only on the hook for 25% of that or around $12M.

So the Mets have zero incentive to negotiate a buyout of Wright for anything less than $12M. If you knew you had $47M coming to you, would you take $12M to walk away?

I feel like Wright will wind up like Prince Fielder, which makes the most sense. Perpetual DL until his contract ends. Maybe if the insurance policy terminates or in the final year Wright and the Mets agree to part ways, but until eithe of those things happen I see no impetus on either side to retire or buy him out.

it could happen, like I said anything is possible, but that's a lot of coin to walk from.

the frustrating part of it is that Jeff Wilpon said the team still counts wright's contract in the payroll even with the 75% discount because "the team still has to pay the insurance premiums and there's the chance Wright could play and they don't want to get caught over budget".

I get it, but it's frustrating.
RE: People keep saying it  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13823365 pjcas18 said:
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and I guess it could happen, but Wright has zero incentive to retire.

Sure, he's seems like a good guy and a team guy, but he's owed $47M guaranteed dollars. I don't care who you are, you don't walk away from that for pride.

Secondly, the Mets are only on the hook for 25% of that or around $12M.

So the Mets have zero incentive to negotiate a buyout of Wright for anything less than $12M. If you knew you had $47M coming to you, would you take $12M to walk away?

I feel like Wright will wind up like Prince Fielder, which makes the most sense. Perpetual DL until his contract ends. Maybe if the insurance policy terminates or in the final year Wright and the Mets agree to part ways, but until eithe of those things happen I see no impetus on either side to retire or buy him out.

it could happen, like I said anything is possible, but that's a lot of coin to walk from.

the frustrating part of it is that Jeff Wilpon said the team still counts wright's contract in the payroll even with the 75% discount because "the team still has to pay the insurance premiums and there's the chance Wright could play and they don't want to get caught over budget".

I get it, but it's frustrating.


Sadly the Mets include the entire salary in their yearly budget so the fans "discount" 15 million but the Mets do not.
Yeah god forbid the mets get caught overbudget  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/6/2018 10:06 am : link
That budget is just so important when it's their own money they're spending.
I know they do  
pjcas18 : 2/6/2018 10:07 am : link
that's what I meant by it being frustrating, I read Jeff Wilpon's words.

Signing Frazier though sort of indicates they're at least not going in to the season penciling Wright in as 3B with no backup plan.

Frazier is also a righty and can play 1B too.

I feel like the Frazier signing more likely than not banishes Smith to AAA (if he wasn't already there) and might also spell the end of Flores as a Met.

fan favorite, but never got a chance IMO.
The Mets made a great move  
SethFromAstoria : 2/6/2018 10:10 am : link
have signed a few of the better free agents. Spent more than most teams


Actually if you dont like spending this much money for 2 years for this player you are a fucking moronic toolbag. Come argue with me because i need a little sparring with a dolt. Anyone not like this common sense great move like this piece of trash on WFAN Evan Roberts?
RE: I know they do  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 10:11 am : link
In comment 13823379 pjcas18 said:
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that's what I meant by it being frustrating, I read Jeff Wilpon's words.

Signing Frazier though sort of indicates they're at least not going in to the season penciling Wright in as 3B with no backup plan.

Frazier is also a righty and can play 1B too.

I feel like the Frazier signing more likely than not banishes Smith to AAA (if he wasn't already there) and might also spell the end of Flores as a Met.

fan favorite, but never got a chance IMO.


I feel like even the often absurd Mets couldn't possibly have gone into the season with ANY belief Wright would help them. He looks like a skeleton, hasn't played in years, HE openly sounds resigned to being close to done and he's 35
PS  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 10:12 am : link
before anyone comes to Wright's "defense". I love DW5, I just see him and even his face... you know this isn't an MLB player anymore. Sad 100% but lets face facts.
.  
pjcas18 : 2/6/2018 10:13 am : link
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BIG APPLE METS
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#MetsFansUnited
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15m15 minutes ago

MYTH BUSTER: Todd Frazier is *not* a strikeout machine.

2017 K%: 21.7
Career K%: 21.7
Projected: 22.8

MLB Average K% in 2017: 21.6
Frazier's rank among 144 qualified starters: 49th most (tied with Corey Seager)
Damn  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 10:15 am : link
I was eying him KR: Sources: #Rangers in agreement with free-agent reliever Seung Hwan Oh, pending a physical.
RE: PS  
pjcas18 : 2/6/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13823384 DanMetroMan said:
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before anyone comes to Wright's "defense". I love DW5, I just see him and even his face... you know this isn't an MLB player anymore. Sad 100% but lets face facts.


I can't believe how skinny he looks, almost reminded me of seeing Chris Snee a year after he stopped playing football. He looked like me. not like an NFL OL.

Wright seems frail. I don't think anyone "defends" him, at least not on here, but maybe some fans still hope for a miracle recovery. the majority though it seems are more concerned with his salary than his welfare (which is fine, I don't care about the players personally for 99% of them).
RE: RE: PS  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13823391 pjcas18 said:
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before anyone comes to Wright's "defense". I love DW5, I just see him and even his face... you know this isn't an MLB player anymore. Sad 100% but lets face facts.



I can't believe how skinny he looks, almost reminded me of seeing Chris Snee a year after he stopped playing football. He looked like me. not like an NFL OL.

Wright seems frail. I don't think anyone "defends" him, at least not on here, but maybe some fans still hope for a miracle recovery. the majority though it seems are more concerned with his salary than his welfare (which is fine, I don't care about the players personally for 99% of them).


PJ,
I really meant if anyone thought I was being mean about how thin he looks. It's like shockingly thin given what he used to look like. It's substantial.
Frazier's not a strikeout machine  
Greg from LI : 2/6/2018 10:24 am : link
He's a popup machine.
RE: RE: RE: PS  
pjcas18 : 2/6/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 13823396 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13823384 DanMetroMan said:


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before anyone comes to Wright's "defense". I love DW5, I just see him and even his face... you know this isn't an MLB player anymore. Sad 100% but lets face facts.



I can't believe how skinny he looks, almost reminded me of seeing Chris Snee a year after he stopped playing football. He looked like me. not like an NFL OL.

Wright seems frail. I don't think anyone "defends" him, at least not on here, but maybe some fans still hope for a miracle recovery. the majority though it seems are more concerned with his salary than his welfare (which is fine, I don't care about the players personally for 99% of them).



PJ,
I really meant if anyone thought I was being mean about how thin he looks. It's like shockingly thin given what he used to look like. It's substantial.


agree
RE: RE: PS  
Canton : 2/6/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 13823391 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13823384 DanMetroMan said:


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before anyone comes to Wright's "defense". I love DW5, I just see him and even his face... you know this isn't an MLB player anymore. Sad 100% but lets face facts.



I can't believe how skinny he looks, almost reminded me of seeing Chris Snee a year after he stopped playing football. He looked like me. not like an NFL OL.

Wright seems frail. I don't think anyone "defends" him, at least not on here, but maybe some fans still hope for a miracle recovery. the majority though it seems are more concerned with his salary than his welfare (which is fine, I don't care about the players personally for 99% of them).



It's unbelievable the transformation..




We  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 10:34 am : link
all know about his health history but if we didn't the before and after would be the perfect "oh c'mon he 100% used PED's" that's how stark it is.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 10:40 am : link
Lynn is a very interesting case. On one hand in any other year he likely gets a lot more than he will (just based on him even being on the Mets radar). On the other hand he's routinely out-performed his FIP and it seems like that likely impacts his market/$$ as well. I don't personally value Lynn above other options enough to advocate signing him given the pick and $$ but he's an interesting case.
If the Mets can  
pjcas18 : 2/6/2018 10:42 am : link
add a bona fide veteran starter and a relief pitcher (preferably a lefty) I'll feel a lot better heading in to the season.

But I'm generally one of the more optimistic fans on here (relatively speaking).

Not saying the Mets can challenge the Nationals, but they should (barring catastrophic injuries...again) compete for a WC and who knows what happens then.
There  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 10:45 am : link
are a few interesting lefty reliever options that wouldn't cost much. They MUST add one though.
RE: There  
arcarsenal : 2/6/2018 11:27 am : link
In comment 13823437 DanMetroMan said:
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are a few interesting lefty reliever options that wouldn't cost much. They MUST add one though.


Agreed. We cannot go into this year with Blevins only. That's why I was so surprised by dealing Smoker away. Not that he was great but he had some stuff that seemed "coachable"
DW  
Csonka : 2/6/2018 11:45 am : link
Love the guy and believe he's as high character as they come. So I'll believe they are of the legal variety, but yeah he was certainly taking every legal supplement available.
I don't love any of the FA P, would rather see them swing a trade  
Eric on Li : 2/6/2018 11:57 am : link
like they did for Blevins a few years ago.

I'd also really like to see them continue upgrading the INF defense, OBP and add another good locker room guy in Lucroy. He may never be what he was a few years ago, but by most metrics he's still a better defensive player than TDA, he rarely strikes out and he got on base at a .345 clip (which is also his career average). Again, he may not be an all star anymore but a pesky Paul Lo Duca type seems very possible.
RE: There  
Eric on Li : 2/6/2018 11:58 am : link
In comment 13823437 DanMetroMan said:
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are a few interesting lefty reliever options that wouldn't cost much. They MUST add one though.


which guys do you like? Watson?
RE: RE: There  
debo_GIANTS : 2/6/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13823586 Eric on Li said:
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are a few interesting lefty reliever options that wouldn't cost much. They MUST add one though.



which guys do you like? Watson?



I know it sounds crazy, but I think they should look at Ollie Perez as the 2nd lefty in the BP.
RE: RE: There  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13823586 Eric on Li said:
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are a few interesting lefty reliever options that wouldn't cost much. They MUST add one though.



which guys do you like? Watson?


Watson is prob the biggest "name" option
I dont think we sign another LOOGY  
ZGiants98 : 2/6/2018 12:04 pm : link
To a major league contract because we are running into 40 man issues. I see guys like DeLa Rosa and Liriano being given minor league deals or spring invites all day but Reynolds likely goes for Frazier. Presumably they are keeping an eye on one spot for a possible SP. I just think Watson is the best lefty on the market and hes meh. Is it worth losing a Guillorme over?
Mets 40 man roster  
Shecky : 2/6/2018 12:16 pm : link
Gives them some pretty good flexibility right now
Probably better than 80% of teams in baseball
RE: One bad thing about signing Lynn/Cobb  
gmen9892 : 2/6/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13823073 ZGiants98 said:
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Is we lose the 2nd pick and pool money. :(


For anybody that knows, when we lose this pick, is it for this upcoming draft? Or next years draft? I dont expect the Mets to be drafting this high in the next draft, so losing that pick would be less detrimental than losing one of this years.
RE: Mets 40 man roster  
ZGiants98 : 2/6/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13823633 Shecky said:
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Gives them some pretty good flexibility right now
Probably better than 80% of teams in baseball


Who do you see as tender candidates? Reynolds is obvious and that should happen soon. You cant move Wright to the DL until the season starts. We already lost Bradford and Smoker. A lot of the new relievers we added like Jamie Callahan arent going anywhere.
RE: RE: One bad thing about signing Lynn/Cobb  
ZGiants98 : 2/6/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13823635 gmen9892 said:
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Is we lose the 2nd pick and pool money. :(



For anybody that knows, when we lose this pick, is it for this upcoming draft? Or next years draft? I dont expect the Mets to be drafting this high in the next draft, so losing that pick would be less detrimental than losing one of this years.


This draft and we would lose the pick for Cobb AND Lynn. Yu Darvish we would not lose a pick but thats probably extremely unlikely.
Nothing better than when Seth comes out of the abyss  
bhill410 : 2/6/2018 12:21 pm : link
To bark about something
I also think you want to keep a couple spots open in the spring...  
ZGiants98 : 2/6/2018 12:22 pm : link
In the bullpen. We dont know how the starters are going to look yet, who might be pushed there, who might surprise... ect. I think we definitely need to invite some lefty options to camp if we can but outside of that Im pretty happy with the pen.
RE: RE: One bad thing about signing Lynn/Cobb  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13823635 gmen9892 said:
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Is we lose the 2nd pick and pool money. :(



For anybody that knows, when we lose this pick, is it for this upcoming draft? Or next years draft? I dont expect the Mets to be drafting this high in the next draft, so losing that pick would be less detrimental than losing one of this years.


Upcoming draft aka a very high pick.
#46 overall  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 12:27 pm : link
pick as of now. Not worth it.
RE: I also think you want to keep a couple spots open in the spring...  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13823647 ZGiants98 said:
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In the bullpen. We dont know how the starters are going to look yet, who might be pushed there, who might surprise... ect. I think we definitely need to invite some lefty options to camp if we can but outside of that Im pretty happy with the pen.


No real internal lefty options outside of I guess Conlon who throws 85 and has reverse splits. Over at NYFS Conlon was the only "maybe reliever" from the left side who made out top 57 for context. Maybe a Regnault or Baldonado see Queens this year but I wouldn't count on guys like that.
Do we have any righties currently  
gmen9892 : 2/6/2018 1:03 pm : link
That are very tough on lefties in light of the Mets not signing a Loogy of note?
RE: Do we have any righties currently  
ZGiants98 : 2/6/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13823730 gmen9892 said:
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That are very tough on lefties in light of the Mets not signing a Loogy of note?


Yes. Robles.
LOOGY  
Mike in NY : 2/6/2018 1:17 pm : link
Can always wait until the end of Spring Training and land one cheaply from a team that has too many players out of options and are willing to make a deal for a wild card that they can send to the minors rather than losing a player for nothing
Actually I just saw in a week  
ZGiants98 : 2/6/2018 1:18 pm : link
Wright and TJ Rivera can be added to he 60 man DL. If true, scratch everything I said. Lol
So Reynolds off for Frazier  
Eric on Li : 2/6/2018 1:28 pm : link
then 2 spots open up from DL for potential ST invite pitchers to end up making the roster. Or they go the trade route later on in ST.
Dodgers  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 1:29 pm : link
are loaded with lefties on their 40. Keep an eye on them.
I still think  
pjcas18 : 2/6/2018 1:29 pm : link
they need to trade an infielder.

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