Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
But yes the Mets definitely have enough starting pitching depth.
Yup, this is right up there with pinched genitals. WTF? Why even let information like this out in the public? Jay Horowitz and the Mets are the absolute worst at public relations.
He actually volunteered the information to Kevin Kernan of the Post, so I wouldn't fault Jay Horowitz here.
It's not an unusual medicine, but it's usually used for osteoporosis in older people. Interesting that Wheeler would be using it. Like to hear more about what they are trying to treat.
Its absolutely on Jay Horowitz. He runs public relations for the Mets. When your team is as much of a PR mess as the Mets, you tell your players to shut the fuck up and not offer any medical information to the press. But the Mets are run by a bunch of clowns so this is no surprise.
...if the Mets get a relatively healthy season from the pitching staff they can contend for a playoff spot. If not they'll suck. The odds aren't good that will happen based on track record combined with workload.
Its absolutely on Jay Horowitz. He runs public relations for the Mets. When your team is as much of a PR mess as the Mets, you tell your players to shut the fuck up and not offer any medical information to the press. But the Mets are run by a bunch of clowns so this is no surprise.
I agree. Jay Horowitz is fawned over by the media, but he is really bad at his job. I know a few people close to the team, and they all say he is a complete a-hole. But you get Gary, Keith and Ron fawning all over him, and everyone thinks he's great.
Not saying you were included or not. But you can see the catch 22 Im sure. Just last week people were up in arms that Wright wouldnt talk. Now today people are up in arms that a player DID talk. Literally a no win situation, huh?
I do think the Mets dealings with the media and injuries needs more control because they always seem to look bad, when I get the sense they are under-playing injuries then losing players for long periods of time for what was reported as a minor injury. Makes them look inept.
But I shared this not for any reason other than because injecting yourself in the stomach with a bone growth drug every day so you can play baseball sounds illegal (maybe just the words "growth hormone") and sounds like your career is probably (or possibly) over and you're grasping at remedies (in my completely amateur arm chair doctor opinion).
me a bigger red flag with Wheeler is how little you have heard regarding him from the Mets or even in general. Matz/Thor/Harvey/DeGrom have been mentioned pretty frequently. Wheeler almost radio silence.
me a bigger red flag with Wheeler is how little you have heard regarding him from the Mets or even in general. Matz/Thor/Harvey/DeGrom have been mentioned pretty frequently. Wheeler almost radio silence.
I saw a spring training picture with Harvey, Matz, deGrom and Thor and it was talking about the 4 being healthy all at the same time for one of the first times.
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Mickey Callaway was out giving mechanical tips to Steven Matz. ... certainly something that wasn't seen from Terry Collins, Jerry Manuel, Willie Randolph, etc."
I think it would be strange if Callaway didn't have more interaction with the pitchers than the others.. he's a former pitcher and pitching coach brought in in-part because of our SP's.
from Matz, saying how this is the first spring training he's felt healthy physically and mentally.
I know you hear every year how player X is in the best shape of their lives, blah blah, but I have never heard that from Matz.
Also funny was hearing Gsellman's comments on Thor:
"No, Noah is just not athletic, he's like a fat guy running in flip flops"
Matz might be the most pivotal player of the rotation after Thor and deGrom. (the pivot being a successful season or not).
Not going out on much of a limb, but a lefty with is talent, if he can be consistent and healthy for a full seasons takes all the pressure off Harvey, Wheeler, Gsellman, Lugo, Montero or whoever they tag for the final two rotation spots.
think the organization oddly both forced Barwis stuff on some guys but also let others have too much freedom. Thor apparently trained with Gsellman last off-season but kind of "free styled" their workouts. Maybe the injury/Gsellman sucking was unrelated but what does Syndergaard know about training? Hopefully this year is different.
He'd have been an upgrade to have on our roster, but this team really needs another lefthanded bullpen arm. They are a Blevins injury away from a complete disaster on that front.
think the organization oddly both forced Barwis stuff on some guys but also let others have too much freedom. Thor apparently trained with Gsellman last off-season but kind of "free styled" their workouts. Maybe the injury/Gsellman sucking was unrelated but what does Syndergaard know about training? Hopefully this year is different.
In 2015 when Thor first came up there was an article talked about how much he worked out lifting and doing crossfit type workouts and Harvey of all people was quoted in talking about how he had learned from experience you can't overdo workouts in between starts. Point being that I think your point is dead on that they took far too long to take a control position on off the field workouts from an organizational level.
Smoker got a lot of chances and just never put it together. Maybe he figures it out but losing guys like him is what it is if it's because you are signing better players.
Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
I don't think laziness is his problem and I probably trust Boras more in terms of getting his clients on an optimal programs for their performance than the Mets FO.
I've read most beat writers who see him personally say he looks good.
And check out this picture from Josh Beckett near the end of his tenure in Boston. It's always the pitching image with shirt blowing up, but Beckett looks way more fat than Harvey here. I only share this Beckett image because I remember the same comments, only Beckett wasn't even that fat
Not saying you were included or not. But you can see the catch 22 Im sure. Just last week people were up in arms that Wright wouldnt talk. Now today people are up in arms that a player DID talk. Literally a no win situation, huh?
Hey, Sheck, sorry for the late response. Busy morning.
I really don't see it as a catch 22. The is the entire purpose of Jay Horowitz' job. To determine when to say something, when to not say something, and who should/shouldn't be saying things. We never hear from this guy. When stuff is put out there, it's a joke. And players seem to be able to say whatever they want.
A player should not be telling the media that they are injecting bone growth hormones every day for 6 months. It looks bad (if not illegal), could invite bigger problems with MLB, and probably doesn't do much for the players trade value. It's just stupid.
Hey, I'm not losing sleep over this but it's just another example of how this team can't get out of its own way. And that the ignorance in the FO is epidemic.
I have no idea what he's up to now but Matt Harvey 100% was a "partier" earlier in his career, I can say that with knowledge 2nd hand (but someone who would never lie to me).
There aren't a lot of positions where there's such a wide range of possible outcomes. Whoever starts out of Smith or AGon could hit 7th/8th with negative value defense, rotating ABs with Flores, or either one could step up and hit in the middle of the order while also upgrading the defense. Thinner Smith is a total unknown but you don't have to go back too far to 2016 postseason when Adrian Gonzalez was hitting cleanup for the 91 win team that knocked the Nats out of the playoffs. A slight bounce back year at 35 isn't totally unthinkable, nor an emergence from a very recently graduated top prospect. Just accounting for defense, last year Mets 1B were a -10 in DRS so there's a lot of room for improvement.
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"PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- Mexican food was Dominic Smith's vice. When Smith wanted to indulge, he would head to the nearest local spot in Southern California for a carne asada wet burrito, smothered in cheese.
That habit disappeared this winter, when the Mets' second-ranked prospect reported to Mike Barwis' team-sponsored fitness facility in Michigan for an offseason full of workouts. He traded in burritos and hamburgers for smoothies and leafy greens. By the time Smith reported to Mets camp, he had shed 24 pounds, dropping down from his high point of around 258.
"There were a lot of weekends where I wanted to sneak out and get a burger or two," Smith said. "But I really just told myself: 'Work hard. Fast food's not good for you.' Now if I eat a burger or something, I feel really sluggish. That healthy food does so much for your body, gives you energy -- and I just feel great."
Color Terry Collins impressed. The Mets manager took notice of Smith's slimmed-down figure immediately, knowing how much it figures to help him on defense. Though Smith broke out with a .302 average and 14 home runs last season at Double-A Binghamton, the Mets feel he still has room for growth if he wants to replace Lucas Duda as their starting first baseman, once Duda's contract expires in 2018."
This is from 2/27...2016.
At a younger age, it was harder for me to say no, Smith said in reference to the foods he likes. Now Im starting to pay attention and realize what I really need, as opposed to what I want.
of any defensive concerns with Smith, in fact I'd always read it was a strength, until his major league small sample last year.
Is that wrong? Am I mis-remembering?
this is from BA right before he was called up in August, so you'd figure any significant issues were uncovered.
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Smith is hefty at 6-foot, 239 pounds but moves around the bag well at first base and has soft hands that allow him to pick balls out of the dirt. His range is adequate but not great.
Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/expect-dominic-smith/#MdApzv5dHWScHi7I.99
of any defensive concerns with Smith, in fact I'd always read it was a strength, until his major league small sample last year.
Is that wrong? Am I mis-remembering?
this is from BA right before he was called up in August, so you'd figure any significant issues were uncovered.
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Smith is hefty at 6-foot, 239 pounds but moves around the bag well at first base and has soft hands that allow him to pick balls out of the dirt. His range is adequate but not great.
Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/expect-dominic-smith/#MdApzv5dHWScHi7I.99
Yup. Rep has always been good. Was awful during his MLB time. The hope is it was weight related but range is more important than arm at 1b by a long shot (he has a great arm) his range and flexibility with the big club was very, very bad. 378 innings -7 DRS, Duda 792 innings at 1b -1
239 pounds in that picture, he looks like he's 200 or less. I'm his height or slightly taller and he's thinner than me.
hopefully he keeps it off and that helps his defense and hopefully he beats out A-gone in spring training.
There is no chance he's 200 or less, he was 226 in camp last year when they were raving about how much better he looked but 250 to end 2017, they are saying he lost 20 pounds so he's probably about 230 now.
AJ Ramos talking about living with Stanton this year. Seems weird, and I know they were teammates in MIA, but this is funny.
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"I feel more athletic than Ive ever been, Smith told The Post on Tuesday, a few hours after showing off his pop-up slide form. In spring training, Ive always looked the part, but as far as my mobility and loosening up some hips and being more flexible, more agile as an athlete, I feel like this is the most advanced Ive been for sure in my career.
Holy cow, does he look it. The young man whom a scout once anonymously compared to Tony Gwynn, when Tony Gwynn was 40 years old said hes weighing in at 224 pounds, down about 30 pounds from the end of the 2017 season, and that seems about right. Hes far more compact and limber."
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Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
But yes the Mets definitely have enough starting pitching depth.
Yup, this is right up there with pinched genitals. WTF? Why even let information like this out in the public? Jay Horowitz and the Mets are the absolute worst at public relations.
He actually volunteered the information to Kevin Kernan of the Post, so I wouldn't fault Jay Horowitz here.
It's not an unusual medicine, but it's usually used for osteoporosis in older people. Interesting that Wheeler would be using it. Like to hear more about what they are trying to treat.
Its absolutely on Jay Horowitz. He runs public relations for the Mets. When your team is as much of a PR mess as the Mets, you tell your players to shut the fuck up and not offer any medical information to the press. But the Mets are run by a bunch of clowns so this is no surprise.
Its absolutely on Jay Horowitz. He runs public relations for the Mets. When your team is as much of a PR mess as the Mets, you tell your players to shut the fuck up and not offer any medical information to the press. But the Mets are run by a bunch of clowns so this is no surprise.
I agree. Jay Horowitz is fawned over by the media, but he is really bad at his job. I know a few people close to the team, and they all say he is a complete a-hole. But you get Gary, Keith and Ron fawning all over him, and everyone thinks he's great.
I do think the Mets dealings with the media and injuries needs more control because they always seem to look bad, when I get the sense they are under-playing injuries then losing players for long periods of time for what was reported as a minor injury. Makes them look inept.
But I shared this not for any reason other than because injecting yourself in the stomach with a bone growth drug every day so you can play baseball sounds illegal (maybe just the words "growth hormone") and sounds like your career is probably (or possibly) over and you're grasping at remedies (in my completely amateur arm chair doctor opinion).
I wouldnt e a toy say the sky is falling re Wheeler, he isnt the first player to do this.
I saw a spring training picture with Harvey, Matz, deGrom and Thor and it was talking about the 4 being healthy all at the same time for one of the first times.
I thought it was strange no mention of Wheeler.
I wouldnt e a toy say the sky is falling re Wheeler, he isnt the first player to do this.
Absolutely, I have no medical basis or comparison, just the concept sounds bad.
Hopefully Wheeler put on weight. Looked like a strong wind could blow him over last time I saw him on the mound.
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Mickey Callaway was out giving mechanical tips to Steven Matz. ... certainly something that wasn't seen from Terry Collins, Jerry Manuel, Willie Randolph, etc."
I think it would be strange if Callaway didn't have more interaction with the pitchers than the others.. he's a former pitcher and pitching coach brought in in-part because of our SP's.
I know you hear every year how player X is in the best shape of their lives, blah blah, but I have never heard that from Matz.
Also funny was hearing Gsellman's comments on Thor:
"No, Noah is just not athletic, he's like a fat guy running in flip flops"
Matz might be the most pivotal player of the rotation after Thor and deGrom. (the pivot being a successful season or not).
Not going out on much of a limb, but a lefty with is talent, if he can be consistent and healthy for a full seasons takes all the pressure off Harvey, Wheeler, Gsellman, Lugo, Montero or whoever they tag for the final two rotation spots.
He just signed with the STL Cards.
He'd have been an upgrade to have on our roster, but this team really needs another lefthanded bullpen arm. They are a Blevins injury away from a complete disaster on that front.
In 2015 when Thor first came up there was an article talked about how much he worked out lifting and doing crossfit type workouts and Harvey of all people was quoted in talking about how he had learned from experience you can't overdo workouts in between starts. Point being that I think your point is dead on that they took far too long to take a control position on off the field workouts from an organizational level.
Smoker got a lot of chances and just never put it together. Maybe he figures it out but losing guys like him is what it is if it's because you are signing better players.
Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
Of course.
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Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
Vitamin D?
And then he looked slimmed down last year and sucked.
Maybe Fatt Harvey isn't the worst thing. Who knows.
And then he looked slimmed down last year and sucked.
Maybe Fatt Harvey isn't the worst thing. Who knows.
Correct - and he intentionally added that weight in 2015 because he thought it would help him avoid injury.
Matt Harvey says he'll pitch at heavier weight, alter routine for 2015 - ( New Window )
And check out this picture from Josh Beckett near the end of his tenure in Boston. It's always the pitching image with shirt blowing up, but Beckett looks way more fat than Harvey here. I only share this Beckett image because I remember the same comments, only Beckett wasn't even that fat
Hey, Sheck, sorry for the late response. Busy morning.
I really don't see it as a catch 22. The is the entire purpose of Jay Horowitz' job. To determine when to say something, when to not say something, and who should/shouldn't be saying things. We never hear from this guy. When stuff is put out there, it's a joke. And players seem to be able to say whatever they want.
A player should not be telling the media that they are injecting bone growth hormones every day for 6 months. It looks bad (if not illegal), could invite bigger problems with MLB, and probably doesn't do much for the players trade value. It's just stupid.
Hey, I'm not losing sleep over this but it's just another example of how this team can't get out of its own way. And that the ignorance in the FO is epidemic.
yea but isn't that a little "water is wet"? If someone posted a pic of him with a bloody nose we know exactly where that discussion would go too.
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yea but isn't that a little "water is wet"? If someone posted a pic of him with a bloody nose we know exactly where that discussion would go too.
But this is just a picture of a pitcher pitching. A bloody nose the obvious focus would be the blood. Not mentioning that would be ridiculous.
I don't see it and said as much.
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"PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- Mexican food was Dominic Smith's vice. When Smith wanted to indulge, he would head to the nearest local spot in Southern California for a carne asada wet burrito, smothered in cheese.
That habit disappeared this winter, when the Mets' second-ranked prospect reported to Mike Barwis' team-sponsored fitness facility in Michigan for an offseason full of workouts. He traded in burritos and hamburgers for smoothies and leafy greens. By the time Smith reported to Mets camp, he had shed 24 pounds, dropping down from his high point of around 258.
"There were a lot of weekends where I wanted to sneak out and get a burger or two," Smith said. "But I really just told myself: 'Work hard. Fast food's not good for you.' Now if I eat a burger or something, I feel really sluggish. That healthy food does so much for your body, gives you energy -- and I just feel great."
Color Terry Collins impressed. The Mets manager took notice of Smith's slimmed-down figure immediately, knowing how much it figures to help him on defense. Though Smith broke out with a .302 average and 14 home runs last season at Double-A Binghamton, the Mets feel he still has room for growth if he wants to replace Lucas Duda as their starting first baseman, once Duda's contract expires in 2018."
This is from 2/27...2016.
At a younger age, it was harder for me to say no, Smith said in reference to the foods he likes. Now Im starting to pay attention and realize what I really need, as opposed to what I want.
Is that wrong? Am I mis-remembering?
this is from BA right before he was called up in August, so you'd figure any significant issues were uncovered.
Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/expect-dominic-smith/#MdApzv5dHWScHi7I.99
Is that wrong? Am I mis-remembering?
this is from BA right before he was called up in August, so you'd figure any significant issues were uncovered.
Quote:
Smith is hefty at 6-foot, 239 pounds but moves around the bag well at first base and has soft hands that allow him to pick balls out of the dirt. His range is adequate but not great.
Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/expect-dominic-smith/#MdApzv5dHWScHi7I.99
Yup. Rep has always been good. Was awful during his MLB time. The hope is it was weight related but range is more important than arm at 1b by a long shot (he has a great arm) his range and flexibility with the big club was very, very bad. 378 innings -7 DRS, Duda 792 innings at 1b -1
hopefully he keeps it off and that helps his defense and hopefully he beats out A-gone in spring training.
hopefully he keeps it off and that helps his defense and hopefully he beats out A-gone in spring training.
There is no chance he's 200 or less, he was 226 in camp last year when they were raving about how much better he looked but 250 to end 2017, they are saying he lost 20 pounds so he's probably about 230 now.
AJ Ramos talking about living with Stanton this year. Seems weird, and I know they were teammates in MIA, but this is funny.
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AJ Ramos on living with Giancarlo Stanton: "We're still looking at that. We're still looking at places. We might live together. Definitely for the Subway Series I'm going to be setting some traps for him. You know, might mess up his sleep a little bit, stuff like that."
"I feel more athletic than Ive ever been, Smith told The Post on Tuesday, a few hours after showing off his pop-up slide form. In spring training, Ive always looked the part, but as far as my mobility and loosening up some hips and being more flexible, more agile as an athlete, I feel like this is the most advanced Ive been for sure in my career.
Holy cow, does he look it. The young man whom a scout once anonymously compared to Tony Gwynn, when Tony Gwynn was 40 years old said hes weighing in at 224 pounds, down about 30 pounds from the end of the 2017 season, and that seems about right. Hes far more compact and limber."
and he's about 5'11 in actuality