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NFT: NBA Talk: Lakers shift focus to 2019

Pete44 : 2/6/2018 10:38 am
Wojo and Shellbourne are both reporting that the Lakers are shifting their focus from the 2018 Free Agent class to the 2019 free agent class.

They feel Lebron will not come without another max player and they are having trouble unloading a player to create both max spots.

Also, they have won 10-14 with the nucleus of Ingram, Hart, Kuzma, Randle and Clarkson. Lonzo Ball has not even played.

The Lakers make me sick, they hit a home run in this year's draft and will have a very good shot at adding a Kawi or Klay in 2019.
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RE: Because he stays out of the Rangers.  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13823697 Keith said:
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He knows nothing about hockey and doesn't pay attention to anything but the bottom line. Last time you saw him at a Rangers game?


How would you know if he is there or not?

And he stays out of hockey because he has Sather running it, he tried to do the same with Phil but Phil fucked it up....

By all accounts he doesn't mess with the knicks anymore he does nothing, he wasn't even at the press conference to introduce perry...

I am not here to defend Dolan but I think it is hilarious that it is all Dolan fault the knicks suck but the rangers nope he has nothing to do with that...
RE: If the Knicks were being run the same way as in the past  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13823695 bceagle05 said:
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Kemba Walker + one of Charlotte's horrible contracts would already be here. As would Ryan Anderson's horrible contract in exchange for Melo. So they're showing some restraint. I guess that's a positive.


Also when is the last time the knicks have traded a first
Dolan is a cop out for Knicks fans  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 12:51 pm : link
He is the easy one to blame because when he became owner that is when the knicks started missing the playoffs...

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BrettNYG10 : 2/6/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13823690 GiantFilthy said:
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Now, if they think they can spend/sign UFAs
JonC : 12:41 pm : link : reply
enough to build a package to flip for Anthony Davis, I'm all ears.


PREACH!


Davis, Lonzo, LeBron. Let's do it.
What's dysfunctional about the Knicks?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/6/2018 12:57 pm : link
There's a difference between not being good and being dysfunctional. Phil Jackson's Knicks were dysfunctional. This isn't. They're just mediocre.
Dolan  
Pete44 : 2/6/2018 1:07 pm : link
There is no doubt that Dolan caused dysfunction in the past, but he is also an owner that was willing to spend whatever it took to improve the franchise. I'll be the first to admit I had excitement when Phil Jackson was hired.

O'Quinn is worthless and it will be proven when he is not traded. Guys like him are a dime a dozen in the NBA and not playing because of small ball.
Your thought processes  
Keith : 2/6/2018 1:07 pm : link
are disfunctional. I understand trying to see things glass half full(16, you are a very optimistic fan), but cmon. TTH, maybe read the thread??
I too was excited for Phil  
Keith : 2/6/2018 1:09 pm : link
because I thought he was hired to control the disfunction. He brought more disfunction to the franchise. I will always be the type of fan to give a guy a chance, but now that you look back, he was the opposite of what he was brought in for. Every gm since 2000 has been a major failure. We seem to have a new coach every season, they all suck. Everything about this team and organization is disfunctional and it starts with Dolan.
The Knicks  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2018 1:14 pm : link
were two decisions away - hiring Thibs and drafting Mitchell - from having one of the brighter futures in the NBA right now. Dysfunction caused those fuck-ups - Phil wanted a puppet coach and a triangle fit. They will be confronted with similar scenarios in the next year - who do you draft with the 10th or so pick in June, and what coach do you hire to succeed Hornacek? If they get those decisions right we'll all be feeling much better about things going forward.
RE: Your thought processes  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13823736 Keith said:
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are disfunctional. I understand trying to see things glass half full(16, you are a very optimistic fan), but cmon. TTH, maybe read the thread??


I am not even being optimistic, this team is bad but it is not dysfunctional..

There is a difference between bad and dysfunction...

There are pieces on this team to be excited about, there is a future here, that is not dysfunction...

bc,  
Keith : 2/6/2018 1:15 pm : link
this trade deadline should also give us an indication. They should be on the phone working hard to trade almost anyone on the roster, but rumors are that we are only calling about Noah. We will see....
There were pieces on the team to be excited about  
Keith : 2/6/2018 1:17 pm : link
when Phil was in charge! Means nothing. You are arguing two different things. I gave a long list of examples from just this offseason. We haven't seen Perry make any of these moves yet, but we haven't seen him do anything. I mean, we have no chance of doing anything this year and yet we are still gluing WH to the bench and JH is doing everything in his power to get to the playoffs. Like that's what this team needs. That makes sense.
Phil can't get past his own ego  
JonC : 2/6/2018 1:19 pm : link
especially when he doesn't have the horses to win or implement his system. Handing him $12M per to do anything besides coach was wasteful.
Keith  
Pete44 : 2/6/2018 1:19 pm : link
You make fair points about the dysfunction. I just get the feeling that Mills/Perry are being given a chance to change it. Unfortunately, these guys are being graded on improvement and don't see things the way we do and trading veterans and tanking the season.

If you think about it, look at the Sixers, Hinkie got fired and that team has the brightest future in the NBA because of his patience. If he had drafted KP instead of Okafor, they would be a title contender this season, but Phil would done the same, he lucked into KP.
Dolan has always only cared about 1 thing......  
Keith : 2/6/2018 1:22 pm : link
money. The only time this team ever had a long term rebuilding plan was with Walsh and we all know what happened there. As soon as we struck out on Lebron, he had to go and sign Amare and try to build a winner immediately. It's always been the MO of this team under Dolan. Quick fix, quick fix, quick fix.
RE: There were pieces on the team to be excited about  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13823754 Keith said:
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when Phil was in charge! Means nothing. You are arguing two different things. I gave a long list of examples from just this offseason. We haven't seen Perry make any of these moves yet, but we haven't seen him do anything. I mean, we have no chance of doing anything this year and yet we are still gluing WH to the bench and JH is doing everything in his power to get to the playoffs. Like that's what this team needs. That makes sense.


How does signing hardaway prove dysfunction? Before this 3 game stretch everyone was saying how it was a bargain, before he got hurt people started liking the deal...

Perry has made a move, the melo deal looks pretty good...

There was future pieces when Phil was in charge? Really who?

And the only player not playing right now is Willy, everyone else who is part of the future is getting good minutes...

I can't be optimistic  
Enzo : 2/6/2018 1:24 pm : link
about the Knicks with Mills in charge. I don't care if Perry is the second coming of Red Auerbach. Mills simply is not qualified.
RE: Dolan has always only cared about 1 thing......  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13823764 Keith said:
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money. The only time this team ever had a long term rebuilding plan was with Walsh and we all know what happened there. As soon as we struck out on Lebron, he had to go and sign Amare and try to build a winner immediately. It's always been the MO of this team under Dolan. Quick fix, quick fix, quick fix.


Umm Walsh's plan from the start was quick fix, his entire plan was built around free agencg..

He gave up pick after pick to clear salary, he had to sign amare or he was going to look like an idiot
A few things...  
Keith : 2/6/2018 1:25 pm : link
Who is this "everyone"? Also, I am the one disagreeing with you here and I assure you, I didn't say he was a bargain. Signing THJR to the contract we did when all the reports are that no team was even close to that, before we had our gm in place is disfunctional! (is it dysfunctional? Have I been wrong for 20 years??)
RE: I can't be optimistic  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13823770 Enzo said:
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about the Knicks with Mills in charge. I don't care if Perry is the second coming of Red Auerbach. Mills simply is not qualified.


Enzo you hate everything, Knicks could trade for LeBron in his prime and you would complain the team gave up to much...

Well, lets start with KP.  
Keith : 2/6/2018 1:26 pm : link
Lets also look at all the draft picks that he kept. Its no different.
Who on this team is a part of the future.  
Keith : 2/6/2018 1:27 pm : link
You keep saying that I'd be shocked if more than 3 guys on this current roster were on this team in 2 years. For us to keep any of those guys, we'd have to pay salary cap dollars.
RE: A few things...  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13823775 Keith said:
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Who is this "everyone"? Also, I am the one disagreeing with you here and I assure you, I didn't say he was a bargain. Signing THJR to the contract we did when all the reports are that no team was even close to that, before we had our gm in place is disfunctional! (is it dysfunctional? Have I been wrong for 20 years??)


Holy shit I am done with this it is going around in circles...

Have I ever once said Phil was not dysfunctional or the knicks have never been dysfunctional? No

I am saying this year this team is not dysfunctional...

But go on I am done with this one agree to disagree
Winning without Ball  
KWALL2 : 2/6/2018 1:29 pm : link
Hahaha. Somebody notify Colin Cowherd and Stan in LA.
RE: RE: There were pieces on the team to be excited about  
giants#1 : 2/6/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13823767 nygiants16 said:
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There was future pieces when Phil was in charge? Really who?


KP and Willy
RE: Who on this team is a part of the future.  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13823781 Keith said:
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You keep saying that I'd be shocked if more than 3 guys on this current roster were on this team in 2 years. For us to keep any of those guys, we'd have to pay salary cap dollars.


Frank and kp obviously...

Burke can be a back up point signed for next year already...

Mcdermott can be a bench piece most likely will not be very expensive...

Hardaway is obviously part of the future only 25...

1st round pick and a good 2nd round pick coming up..

Even Beasley will probably still be cheap as a bench scorer...
Lebron  
Pete44 : 2/6/2018 1:31 pm : link
Supposedly, Lebron was approached about his NTC. Gilbert is tired of him and wants to be done with him. Take with grain of salt as not reported by Wojo.
Ok got it,  
Keith : 2/6/2018 1:32 pm : link
so forget every single other season of the Knicks since Dolan was the owner and this is the first year that the disfunction ended. Got it. You seem to be confusing things with promise and disfunction. I can agree that there is promise. I'm also convinced that this team will screw it up. We have a 20 year history of disfunction to look at. But you are probably right, Dolan is not involved with the Knicks anymore.
RE: RE: I can't be optimistic  
Enzo : 2/6/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13823777 nygiants16 said:
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about the Knicks with Mills in charge. I don't care if Perry is the second coming of Red Auerbach. Mills simply is not qualified.



Enzo you hate everything, Knicks could trade for LeBron in his prime and you would complain the team gave up to much...

yeah - there's been so much to love about this team the last 18 years or so. Yes we have some interesting young pieces but the cap is a cluttered mess, the coach sucks, and the guy running the whole operation gave $10 million guaranteed to Ron Baker.

It's hysterical how you have an excuse ready for every dumb thing this team does. Maybe you should look around the league at how other teams conduct business. There's a whole league out there full of smart people doing smart things.
RE: Lebron  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13823792 Pete44 said:
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Supposedly, Lebron was approached about his NTC. Gilbert is tired of him and wants to be done with him. Take with grain of salt as not reported by Wojo.


It was reported by shams who is just as good
RE: RE: RE: I can't be optimistic  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13823796 Enzo said:
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about the Knicks with Mills in charge. I don't care if Perry is the second coming of Red Auerbach. Mills simply is not qualified.



Enzo you hate everything, Knicks could trade for LeBron in his prime and you would complain the team gave up to much...


yeah - there's been so much to love about this team the last 18 years or so. Yes we have some interesting young pieces but the cap is a cluttered mess, the coach sucks, and the guy running the whole operation gave $10 million guaranteed to Ron Baker.

It's hysterical how you have an excuse ready for every dumb thing this team does. Maybe you should look around the league at how other teams conduct business. There's a whole league out there full of smart people doing smart things.


Who is making excuses? When have I ever said the Ron baker deal was a good deal?
RE: Ok got it,  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13823793 Keith said:
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so forget every single other season of the Knicks since Dolan was the owner and this is the first year that the disfunction ended. Got it. You seem to be confusing things with promise and disfunction. I can agree that there is promise. I'm also convinced that this team will screw it up. We have a 20 year history of disfunction to look at. But you are probably right, Dolan is not involved with the Knicks anymore.


You choose to be a negative fan that is fine, that is your prerogative, I am choosing to view it as a clean slate and new leadership..

See what happens
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giants#1 : 2/6/2018 1:35 pm : link
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Now, if they think they can spend/sign UFAs
JonC : 12:41 pm : link : reply
enough to build a package to flip for Anthony Davis, I'm all ears.


PREACH!



Davis, Lonzo, LeBron. Let's do it.


Watching LeBron play with Lonzo would be great! He'll love Lonzo bricking open 3s!!!


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I thought the disfunction of Layden was gonna end with  
Keith : 2/6/2018 1:35 pm : link
Isiah. I thought the disfunction of Isiah was gonna end with Walsh. I think it may have if Dolan allowed Walsh to do his thing, but that obviously wasn't gonna happen. I thought the disfunction would end when Phil, the Zen Master took over and now I won't be fooled into thinking it will end with Perry. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me 16 times and you are blind.
The Knicks make mistakes with guys like Baker and Lance  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2018 1:36 pm : link
because they seem to reward the few guys in recent years who come in here, keep their mouths shut, play defense and listen to coaching. They need to stop being so sentimental.
RE: RE: RE: ==========  
GiantFilthy : 2/6/2018 1:36 pm : link
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Now, if they think they can spend/sign UFAs
JonC : 12:41 pm : link : reply
enough to build a package to flip for Anthony Davis, I'm all ears.


PREACH!



Davis, Lonzo, LeBron. Let's do it.



Watching LeBron play with Lonzo would be great! He'll love Lonzo bricking open 3s!!!
Link - ( New Window )

That video is about Lebron getting mad at his mates' effort on defense. In that case he will enjoy playing with Lonzo.
RE: The Knicks make mistakes with guys like Baker and Lance  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13823806 bceagle05 said:
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because they seem to reward the few guys in recent years who come in here, keep their mouths shut, play defense and listen to coaching. They need to stop being so sentimental.


At least Thomas's deal is non guaranteed in the final year
RE: RE: RE: RE: I can't be optimistic  
Enzo : 2/6/2018 1:38 pm : link
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about the Knicks with Mills in charge. I don't care if Perry is the second coming of Red Auerbach. Mills simply is not qualified.



Enzo you hate everything, Knicks could trade for LeBron in his prime and you would complain the team gave up to much...


yeah - there's been so much to love about this team the last 18 years or so. Yes we have some interesting young pieces but the cap is a cluttered mess, the coach sucks, and the guy running the whole operation gave $10 million guaranteed to Ron Baker.

It's hysterical how you have an excuse ready for every dumb thing this team does. Maybe you should look around the league at how other teams conduct business. There's a whole league out there full of smart people doing smart things.



Who is making excuses? When have I ever said the Ron baker deal was a good deal?

so you agree with my take on things? WTF? Are you just bored and looking to kill time by taking all sides of every issue being discussed?
RE: The Knicks make mistakes with guys like Baker and Lance  
Enzo : 2/6/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13823806 bceagle05 said:
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because they seem to reward the few guys in recent years who come in here, keep their mouths shut, play defense and listen to coaching. They need to stop being so sentimental.

sentimental is one word for it. Incompetent and stupid also come to mind.
Enzo my bad I shouldn't of ripped you  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:42 pm : link
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Hawks make every player available except collins  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 1:44 pm : link
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RE: Enzo my bad I shouldn't of ripped you  
BrettNYG10 : 2/6/2018 1:45 pm : link
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Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 2/6/2018 3:53 pm : link
The question of dysfunctional was originally brought up by me when someone said Leonard and Irving are signing here in 2 years. Why are they leaving the Spurs and Celtics to come to the Knicks? The Knicks have worse rosters, worse coaches, and worse front offices. Why are they dysfunctional? Heres a few recent reasons.

1) Noah, Baker, Thomas contracts. No other NBA team was handing out those contractsfor those lengths and that player friendly. I'll give the Knicks a pass on the Hardaway contract because he can at least play.

2) Up until this year they ran an offense that was a complete joke around the league. They have completely abandoned that offense.

3) Porzingis has had 3 head coaches in 3 years. They also fired the assistant he was closest too and worked the most with. Not to mention trying to trade him and publicly criticizing him.

4) I'll skip the Phil Jackson bashing but Steve Mills would not have this job with any other NBA team in the league. He wouldn't even get interviews.

5) They went with a self proclaimed youth movement but refuse to play their 2nd year center who was on the all rookie team last year. He gets no meaningful time at all.

I do appreciate the positvty at times but these points are hard to refute.
what's sad/funny  
Enzo : 2/6/2018 4:02 pm : link
is that even with Phil gone, they're still running a stone age offense. DEAD LAST in 3 pt attempts.
They're just such a slow, plodding team.  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2018 4:32 pm : link
Even the young guys like Frank, Willy and KP (whose at least a good athlete for his size. Burke and Hardaway have added some athleticism, but they need a hell of a lot more. Mikal Bridges, come on down!
Hicks and Kornet  
ajr2456 : 2/6/2018 5:27 pm : link
Are up from the G league and warming up. Wonder if something is in the works.
RE: Hicks and Kornet  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13824117 ajr2456 said:
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Are up from the G league and warming up. Wonder if something is in the works.


They practiced yesterday with team, they are on 2 way contracts, I believe it is 45 days
RE: RE: Hicks and Kornet  
ajr2456 : 2/6/2018 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13824120 nygiants16 said:
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Are up from the G league and warming up. Wonder if something is in the works.



They practiced yesterday with team, they are on 2 way contracts, I believe it is 45 days


Right but I don't recall them being up any other time this year and warming up. I could be wrong
RE: RE: RE: Hicks and Kornet  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13824124 ajr2456 said:
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Are up from the G league and warming up. Wonder if something is in the works.



They practiced yesterday with team, they are on 2 way contracts, I believe it is 45 days



Right but I don't recall them being up any other time this year and warming up. I could be wrong


No you are right about that, will be interesting if 2 guys are inactive
Is there a more unlikeable team  
Keith : 2/7/2018 7:10 am : link
than GS? These guys conspired to create an all world team yet they still bitch about everything and expect every call all game. Just STFU and take your bs trophy and go home. Draymond lost his mind last night.

Side note.....Westbrook is unreal. Once he stopped trying to get that loser melo involved, they’ve exploded.
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