Wojo and Shellbourne are both reporting that the Lakers are shifting their focus from the 2018 Free Agent class to the 2019 free agent class.
They feel Lebron will not come without another max player and they are having trouble unloading a player to create both max spots.
Also, they have won 10-14 with the nucleus of Ingram, Hart, Kuzma, Randle and Clarkson. Lonzo Ball has not even played.
The Lakers make me sick, they hit a home run in this year's draft and will have a very good shot at adding a Kawi or Klay in 2019.
The Lakers are always going to be an attractive destination because it's LA, but don't just assume Kawhi, Butler, or Thompson will end up there.
Thompson strikes me as someone who is comfortable in the role he's in. Butler is 'the man' in Minnesota right now. Leonard's the most interesting; he obviously has ties to So. Cal & there's reportedly tension between him & the Spurs FO right now. Also, SA is getting up there in age.
If LBJ is smart, he stays in the East. I could really see him ending up in Philly. I think there's no chance in hell he's a Cavalier after this season.
Paul George recently said that he likes OKC and might stay. He really liked the way the organization reacted when he was snubbed for the All-Star Game.
So they are both taking less money to leave top 3 NBA franchises to come to one of the most dysfunctional ones? Why would they do that? Sign me up but that's not happening.
The Lakers are always going to be an attractive destination because it's LA, but don't just assume Kawhi, Butler, or Thompson will end up there.
Thompson strikes me as someone who is comfortable in the role he's in. Butler is 'the man' in Minnesota right now. Leonard's the most interesting; he obviously has ties to So. Cal & there's reportedly tension between him & the Spurs FO right now. Also, SA is getting up there in age.
Ball was starting to play better before he was hurt. His non shooting stats (Steals, Assists, Rebounds, Blocks). If he get his percentages to 40% or slightly above will be the difference between All-Star and solid NBA starter.
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And said Irving and leonard were talking about teaming up with kp in New York, take fwiw
So they are both taking less money to leave top 3 NBA franchises to come to one of the most dysfunctional ones? Why would they do that? Sign me up but that's not happening.
Knicks can easily clear enough salary to fit both...
And if kyrie and kawhi join kp are the knicks dysfunctional anymore?
Look at the Celtics before kg and Ray joimed...
Look at the cavs before LeBron came back..
Really not surprising if kyrie wants to come to the knicks, kawhi is the surprise...
Like I said take fwiw
Your coworker listens to the national media to much...
Has he set the world on fire? No has he struggled? Yes but we knew he would...
Is there some worry? Yes but the kid can be the best defensive player in the league if he wants to be..
Worst pick in the draft? Absolutely not
NY Giants - I definitely agree, the Knicks are not dysfunctional right now, they have a young core and all their future draft picks. The Noah thing is annoying, but not this group's fault. They need to play their younger players and not play Jack, Thomas and O'Quinn. They need to trade Lee as well.
I do agree Knicks will have a stigma of being dysfunctional until they garner some success but I don't think this group in particular is dysfunctional..
By all accounts the tram is sticking together and sticking up for each other, Knicks team's in the past became a bunch of individuals, this one is not...
I think that's an exaggeration. In the NBA if you have a young star like KP you're basically one player away from legitimacy and possibly title contention. if the Knicks are dysfunctional then so are about 15 other teams.
Below average is one thing. Dysfunctional is quite another.
I get why people hate Dolan but look at the rangers he owns them and they have success...
It is about getting the players, they get another superstar in this draft is anyone going to care that Dolan is the owner?
Me as well.
Why are they dysfunctional? What has this new management and team done to be dysfunctional?
You want to call them a bad team? Fine but why are they dysfunctional?
Thankfully, it appears we have the right people at the top to turn this team around.
By all accounts Dolan has stayed away these past 4 years, Perry himself when he was hired said he didn't even meet with dolan...
Losing? Sure dysfunction I just don't see it with this group
The only players over the age of 30 that are playing is jack and lee...
Kp 22
Frank 19
Burke 24
Beasley 28
Tim 25
Kanter 25
Oquinn 27
Lance 29
Mcdermott 25
Pretty young rotation all things considered
No I am responding to your point saying it was supposed to be about youth development this year...
Dysfunction to me is the giants this year, players getting suspended no one listening to the coach, the coach completely losing the locker room...
By all accounts that has not happened with this group besides noah...
Last year was dysfunctional
Funny because Lakers just did the same thing and everyone has praised them...
When it was first rumored Jackson was coming everyone loved it
Knicks get
Frye
Shump
Osman
Any necessarily fillers
Cavs 2018 pick (not brooklyn pick)
Cavs Get
Lee
Quinn
Thomas or Beasley, Thomas being dream scenario
Jack
Knicks clear cap space for 2019, Get a pick and Get osman who may or may not be good.
I would actually do this without the 1st rounder if it included lance Thomas over Beasley.
Cavs Get players that fit better, Than some of th current players, but tho still doesn’t get them over the top.
KP, THJR and Ntilikina. Great, we are giving big minutes to a bunch of guys that aren't in our future plans.
The hardaway signing was Mills trying to prove to Dolan that he can sign somebody, don't love the contract, but last game not withstanding, he is an athletic wing, which they needed.
I have not had an issue with anything Perry has done so far and that includes trading Melo to OKC instad of Houston.
The trading deadline will be interesting, if he stands pat, I'm ok with that, I just don't want to see them trade a draft pick for the playoff push.
We can look into trading Lee at the draft or in the offseason.
I don't see them getting anything for O'Quinn, he is close to worthless in the modern day NBA.
If they can get trade Willy for something of value, then do it, if not hold on to him.
We just can't trade future draft picks or for bad contracts for a quick fix to make a run at the 8th seed.
If that is accomplished, I'm willing to keep on hoping the dysfunction is ending.
In the offseason, a new coach is the top priority, along with a smart draft pick.
Those are the types of moves that might be the better option in 2018. Makes no sense to spend for the sake of spending, they've got to pick the right puzzle pieces to make the cap structure work, as well as chemistry.
Once Westbrook re-signed and Boogie's Achilles took a hike, I turned the page on UFAs. LBJ will be 34 eary next season, is PG3 worth $30M per? I don't see it.
Keep building.
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enough to build a package to flip for Anthony Davis, I'm all ears.
PREACH!
You keep saying it is Dolan fault, then how come the rangers have been so good?
So the year the knicks won 54 games Dolan was not a problem?
How would you know if he is there or not?
And he stays out of hockey because he has Sather running it, he tried to do the same with Phil but Phil fucked it up....
By all accounts he doesn't mess with the knicks anymore he does nothing, he wasn't even at the press conference to introduce perry...
I am not here to defend Dolan but I think it is hilarious that it is all Dolan fault the knicks suck but the rangers nope he has nothing to do with that...
Also when is the last time the knicks have traded a first
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enough to build a package to flip for Anthony Davis, I'm all ears.
PREACH!
Davis, Lonzo, LeBron. Let's do it.
O'Quinn is worthless and it will be proven when he is not traded. Guys like him are a dime a dozen in the NBA and not playing because of small ball.
I am not even being optimistic, this team is bad but it is not dysfunctional..
There is a difference between bad and dysfunction...
There are pieces on this team to be excited about, there is a future here, that is not dysfunction...
If you think about it, look at the Sixers, Hinkie got fired and that team has the brightest future in the NBA because of his patience. If he had drafted KP instead of Okafor, they would be a title contender this season, but Phil would done the same, he lucked into KP.
How does signing hardaway prove dysfunction? Before this 3 game stretch everyone was saying how it was a bargain, before he got hurt people started liking the deal...
Perry has made a move, the melo deal looks pretty good...
There was future pieces when Phil was in charge? Really who?
And the only player not playing right now is Willy, everyone else who is part of the future is getting good minutes...
Umm Walsh's plan from the start was quick fix, his entire plan was built around free agencg..
He gave up pick after pick to clear salary, he had to sign amare or he was going to look like an idiot
Enzo you hate everything, Knicks could trade for LeBron in his prime and you would complain the team gave up to much...
Holy shit I am done with this it is going around in circles...
Have I ever once said Phil was not dysfunctional or the knicks have never been dysfunctional? No
I am saying this year this team is not dysfunctional...
But go on I am done with this one agree to disagree
There was future pieces when Phil was in charge? Really who?
KP and Willy
Frank and kp obviously...
Burke can be a back up point signed for next year already...
Mcdermott can be a bench piece most likely will not be very expensive...
Hardaway is obviously part of the future only 25...
1st round pick and a good 2nd round pick coming up..
Even Beasley will probably still be cheap as a bench scorer...
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about the Knicks with Mills in charge. I don't care if Perry is the second coming of Red Auerbach. Mills simply is not qualified.
Enzo you hate everything, Knicks could trade for LeBron in his prime and you would complain the team gave up to much...
yeah - there's been so much to love about this team the last 18 years or so. Yes we have some interesting young pieces but the cap is a cluttered mess, the coach sucks, and the guy running the whole operation gave $10 million guaranteed to Ron Baker.
It's hysterical how you have an excuse ready for every dumb thing this team does. Maybe you should look around the league at how other teams conduct business. There's a whole league out there full of smart people doing smart things.
It was reported by shams who is just as good
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about the Knicks with Mills in charge. I don't care if Perry is the second coming of Red Auerbach. Mills simply is not qualified.
Enzo you hate everything, Knicks could trade for LeBron in his prime and you would complain the team gave up to much...
yeah - there's been so much to love about this team the last 18 years or so. Yes we have some interesting young pieces but the cap is a cluttered mess, the coach sucks, and the guy running the whole operation gave $10 million guaranteed to Ron Baker.
It's hysterical how you have an excuse ready for every dumb thing this team does. Maybe you should look around the league at how other teams conduct business. There's a whole league out there full of smart people doing smart things.
Who is making excuses? When have I ever said the Ron baker deal was a good deal?
You choose to be a negative fan that is fine, that is your prerogative, I am choosing to view it as a clean slate and new leadership..
See what happens
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enough to build a package to flip for Anthony Davis, I'm all ears.
PREACH!
Davis, Lonzo, LeBron. Let's do it.
Watching LeBron play with Lonzo would be great! He'll love Lonzo bricking open 3s!!!
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JonC : 12:41 pm : link : reply
enough to build a package to flip for Anthony Davis, I'm all ears.
PREACH!
Davis, Lonzo, LeBron. Let's do it.
Watching LeBron play with Lonzo would be great! He'll love Lonzo bricking open 3s!!!
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That video is about Lebron getting mad at his mates' effort on defense. In that case he will enjoy playing with Lonzo.
At least Thomas's deal is non guaranteed in the final year
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about the Knicks with Mills in charge. I don't care if Perry is the second coming of Red Auerbach. Mills simply is not qualified.
Enzo you hate everything, Knicks could trade for LeBron in his prime and you would complain the team gave up to much...
yeah - there's been so much to love about this team the last 18 years or so. Yes we have some interesting young pieces but the cap is a cluttered mess, the coach sucks, and the guy running the whole operation gave $10 million guaranteed to Ron Baker.
It's hysterical how you have an excuse ready for every dumb thing this team does. Maybe you should look around the league at how other teams conduct business. There's a whole league out there full of smart people doing smart things.
Who is making excuses? When have I ever said the Ron baker deal was a good deal?
so you agree with my take on things? WTF? Are you just bored and looking to kill time by taking all sides of every issue being discussed?
sentimental is one word for it. Incompetent and stupid also come to mind.
*have
1) Noah, Baker, Thomas contracts. No other NBA team was handing out those contractsfor those lengths and that player friendly. I'll give the Knicks a pass on the Hardaway contract because he can at least play.
2) Up until this year they ran an offense that was a complete joke around the league. They have completely abandoned that offense.
3) Porzingis has had 3 head coaches in 3 years. They also fired the assistant he was closest too and worked the most with. Not to mention trying to trade him and publicly criticizing him.
4) I'll skip the Phil Jackson bashing but Steve Mills would not have this job with any other NBA team in the league. He wouldn't even get interviews.
5) They went with a self proclaimed youth movement but refuse to play their 2nd year center who was on the all rookie team last year. He gets no meaningful time at all.
I do appreciate the positvty at times but these points are hard to refute.
They practiced yesterday with team, they are on 2 way contracts, I believe it is 45 days
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They practiced yesterday with team, they are on 2 way contracts, I believe it is 45 days
Right but I don't recall them being up any other time this year and warming up. I could be wrong
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Are up from the G league and warming up. Wonder if something is in the works.
They practiced yesterday with team, they are on 2 way contracts, I believe it is 45 days
Right but I don't recall them being up any other time this year and warming up. I could be wrong
No you are right about that, will be interesting if 2 guys are inactive
Side note.....Westbrook is unreal. Once he stopped trying to get that loser melo involved, they’ve exploded.