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Stunner: Patriots OC Josh McDaniels has decided NOT to accept Colts HC job and will remain with New England, sources told ESPN.
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FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.
RE: RE: RE: Could BB Have Informed Kraft After The Super Bowl...
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
Of course they have - he's an employee of the New England Patriots.
But hold on, do you really want owners plotting revenge on other owner because they were upset for being caught cheating again?
I'm not saying this incident is illegal. I'm saying it's low class, unethical, and vengeful. As if he's the first coach to still be under contract with a team while building his new team. Funny when things like this happen once again the Patriots are at the center of it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Could BB Have Informed Kraft After The Super Bowl...
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
Of course they have - he's an employee of the New England Patriots.
But hold on, do you really want owners plotting revenge on other owner because they were upset for being caught cheating again?
I'm not saying this incident is illegal. I'm saying it's low class, unethical, and vengeful. As if he's the first coach to still be under contract with a team while building his new team. Funny when things like this happen once again the Patriots are at the center of it.
go away
RE: RE: I dont fault him for having a change of heart
He may have been genuinely enticed about a career growth move especially after the espn report about the supposed rift. And interview requests come fast and furious in the middle of 100 hour work weeks preparing for the playoffs. But when he did his due diligence and talked it over with his family he realized he had happiness where he was. Im in the corporate world and see successful candidates regularly turn down offers even after multiple interviews. Its not unusual
He could have done that two weeks ago,
Exactly. So this happens just as they were hyping the press conference on the Colts site for TOMORROW. All it took was one call from Kraft and everything is ironed out and set in stone in New England and your lawyers have reviewed all the paperwork (and you damn well better get it in writing that Belichick will retire by date X and you will be the coach, and if he decided to stay you will get massive financial compensation because no team will hire you to coach again)
All this about face happened this fast? You've hired assistants and are about to do the press conference.
Spoke with several members of what was supposed to be McDaniels Indy coaching staff. They have not heard from Josh McDaniels regarding the change of heart. Just as blindsided as the rest of us. #Colts
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I write with most distressful news. The men have been hoodwinked. The deserter McDaniels is on the lamb, likely headed toward New England, my best scouts report. Was this a ploy to merely spy? We shall never know. Irritating.
Andrew
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FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.
And right here, this is probably the whole story. Nothing to see here anymore.
One wonders if Luck will ever be back, much less anything like what he was - and when McDaniels got the word he backed out ASAP.
lot of people made decisions based on what McDaniels told them. anything that made him change his mind - he had more than ample time to consider before this.
To their staff only for him to back out. Thats unbelievable. And I really have no doubt who Gettleman was talking about, when insinuated one the guys they interviewed wasnt a grown up.
To their staff only for him to back out. Thats unbelievable. And I really have no doubt who Gettleman was talking about, when insinuated one the guys they interviewed wasnt a grown up.
And that's not just messing with a business, that's messing with families.
Zero integrity.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Their GM is holding a PC at 11am....
If you made a deal, then back out because you had cold feet, fine, back out. But that's on you. Never make the deal, involve other peoples' lives and then get cold feet. That's BS.
However, if you make a deal and then the circumstances change all of a sudden, then you are free to do what you want.
You can say all you want about doing what's right for you family, blah de blah. I agree, but those conversations could have happened WAY earlier, before you make a commitment to others. The bottom line is that his assistants signed contracts before he did, and then he backed out. That is unambiguous. In my view, that person lacks integrity.
To their staff only for him to back out. Thats unbelievable. And I really have no doubt who Gettleman was talking about, when insinuated one the guys they interviewed wasnt a grown up.
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FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.
Yes. If McD found out at the last minute that he was intentionally mis-informed about Luck's condition then the story changes.
I called this shit last year. I said the Pats would pull some more more bullshit soon because it's what they do. Every year or two years they pull some garbage. Never. Fucking. Fails. Kraft is a piece of shit.
Go ahead and tell me that the NFL was wrong to go after the Pats for the stupid petty shit and tell me that the NFL just wanted to be petty. Try and convince me.
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.@davediehl66 on McDaniels situation: The coach I spoke to last night who was going to be on that staff is now looking for a job...He had other options...and as of 10:15 last night he still hadn't spoken to Josh McDaniels and today he has to figure out the future of his coaching
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Our guy @CharleyCasserly is swinging on McDaniels: "He burned bridges he doesn't even know about." Says he was told McDaniels pursued the Colts job. "Shame on him."
Family stability is a key reason why he decided to stay in NE and with 4 kids and the impact it had on them when he took the Denver and St. Louis jobs, I can get the reason why he decided to stay. Not to mention it is Indiana and a crappy team. perhaps Kraft assured him verbally that he will be Grumpy Lobster Boat Captains successor when the time comes for him to retire.
How do we even know this wasn't a scheme from day 1 with McDaniels never intending to take the job and Kraft just plotting his revenge for being caught cheating(again)?
Would you put it past him?
This was clearly a setup from day one. I refuse to believe that McDaniel suddenly had a change of heart but even if he did it's still a terrible job by McD and the Pats. Why do I think this is shady? Because the Pats get caught doing something shady every other year.
who had serious doubts about getting married on the morning of the wedding. Both said f@ck it, and went thru with it.
Both were divorced in under 18 months. Both were financially ruined and have been miserable ever since.
Moral of the Story, it's never too late to change your mind.
In the end, you need to do what's best for #1.
Again, for the 100th time. IT'S THE PATS. This shit happens time and time and time again. Going all the way back to when Big and Little Bill left the Jets high and dry. Little Bill took the job and then quit one day later and went to.........wait for it....THE PATS.
That franchise is fucking garbage. They make Dallas look clean and ethical.
the timing sucks and I sympathize if some of the staff who agreed to join him in anticipation that the deal would be formalized,formally resigned from their positions or said no to other interviews or will not otherwise be retained by the colts.
I believe that the last few weeks were a whirlwind for him between getting ready for the playoffs, the wickersham report and the interviews. he was lured by the money, legacy and career advancement opportunity of being a head coach again, but was persuaded by a last ditch pitch for more money, an extension and mentorship by BB so that he may one say succeed him and/or be better prepared for when he does accept a coach or coach/GM position going forward. And yeah, when you have a family, including 4 kids, things like stability and consistency do matter. he likely did not have the time or the space to consider all of that during the last few weeks.
people can make him seem like a villain, but I don't think it's as black and white as that.
is every HC candidate pulled this crap or even 1/4 of them pulled this crap the league would be in shambles.
There's no other way to paint this. It's a terrible job by the Pats. And I blame them. Why? Because they are shady. Always.
it's rare that a head coaching candidate has a change of heart at the last minute. most will gladly take a job that offers them more money, control and legacy opportunities than a coordinator role, so it's unlikely to be the norm.
I don't blame the Pats or Kraft. They made a pitch to a valuable employee to stay instead of taking his skill set and institutional knowledge to the competition. They were within their rights to do so and have not broken any laws. McDaniels is not a slave and no one was forcing him to stay. Maybe they made a similar pitch to Matt Patricia and he decided to move forward with his opportunity.
mcdaniels gets a raise, extension and a chance to be mentored by the GOAT while keeping his kids in the same schools. there was a good chance he would be 1 or 2 years and done in indy and then he would be back to square one, especially if grumpy lobster boat captain retires in the interim.
BB retires next year as does Brady and Grownkoski
Pats turn shitty real quick like
McDaniels gets fired as HC after 2 years and has no option as HC in the NFL
I found this very interesting in regards to McDaniels last minute decision.
Belichick told McDaniels that he would spend more time with him on the inner workings of the Patriots, including roster construction and salary-cap management, which was viewed as "extremely valuable" to McDaniels.
I found what he did to be BS as others have articulated in regards to his selfishness regarding the coaches that were supposed to go work for him.
However, what I find interesting if this article is true, is that Belichick has a master plan for how the Patriots work that he does not completely share with others. It could be part of the reason that his assistants fail other places when they try to replicate his system. I think Belichick is on a whole other level of thought and finds assistant coaches that fill a skill set, like he does with his players. They each do the job that they are asked and collectively the sum is greater than the parts.
I do not think what Belichick has created can be replicated because part of the success of the system includes him and his brain. I think that despite being an ass and going about this all wrong, Mcdaniels realized that he needed to learn more about all aspects of Belichick's ways and maybe the best way to replicate his system is to continue with what he has put in place. Tuesday morning meeting with Bill Belichick convinced Josh McDaniels to change his mind - ( New Window )
He has done nothing to help his rep. I didn't think he would pull something like this though. I haven't followed his hiring like many here, but wasn't this in the works for a pretty long time? It's been unofficial for what seems like forever. He deserves all the shit that he's gonna get moving forward.
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That he (BB) would be done after 2018?
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
Of course they have - he's an employee of the New England Patriots.
But hold on, do you really want owners plotting revenge on other owner because they were upset for being caught cheating again?
I'm not saying this incident is illegal. I'm saying it's low class, unethical, and vengeful. As if he's the first coach to still be under contract with a team while building his new team. Funny when things like this happen once again the Patriots are at the center of it.
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That he (BB) would be done after 2018?
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
Of course they have - he's an employee of the New England Patriots.
But hold on, do you really want owners plotting revenge on other owner because they were upset for being caught cheating again?
I'm not saying this incident is illegal. I'm saying it's low class, unethical, and vengeful. As if he's the first coach to still be under contract with a team while building his new team. Funny when things like this happen once again the Patriots are at the center of it.
go away
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He may have been genuinely enticed about a career growth move especially after the espn report about the supposed rift. And interview requests come fast and furious in the middle of 100 hour work weeks preparing for the playoffs. But when he did his due diligence and talked it over with his family he realized he had happiness where he was. Im in the corporate world and see successful candidates regularly turn down offers even after multiple interviews. Its not unusual
He could have done that two weeks ago,
Exactly. So this happens just as they were hyping the press conference on the Colts site for TOMORROW. All it took was one call from Kraft and everything is ironed out and set in stone in New England and your lawyers have reviewed all the paperwork (and you damn well better get it in writing that Belichick will retire by date X and you will be the coach, and if he decided to stay you will get massive financial compensation because no team will hire you to coach again)
All this about face happened this fast? You've hired assistants and are about to do the press conference.
Too many pieces fell into place too fast
9:51 PM - Feb 6, 2018 Manhattan, NY
He gave up 33 points and over 500 yards passing w/ 3 Passing TD's. He got fucking lucky his offense bailed him out
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Dearest mother
I write with most distressful news. The men have been hoodwinked. The deserter McDaniels is on the lamb, likely headed toward New England, my best scouts report. Was this a ploy to merely spy? We shall never know. Irritating.
Andrew
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FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.
And right here, this is probably the whole story. Nothing to see here anymore.
One wonders if Luck will ever be back, much less anything like what he was - and when McDaniels got the word he backed out ASAP.
That's funny
That he loaded up the moving trucks and had them drive around the Dome 50 times.
Totally understandable.
What's not understandable is doing all the interviews, taking the job, scheduling a press conference, hiring staff, and THEN hitting the eject button.
Both were divorced in under 18 months. Both were financially ruined and have been miserable ever since.
Moral of the Story, it's never too late to change your mind.
In the end, you need to do what's best for #1.
Must watch. Where do the Colts go from here? McAdoo? lol
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that ought to be good.
Must watch. Where do the Colts go from here? McAdoo? lol
Bet he downplays the entire situation, stating they have everything under control.
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that ought to be good.
Must watch. Where do the Colts go from here? McAdoo? lol
Bet he downplays the entire situation, stating they have everything under control.
I think there's a decent chance he destroys McDaniels, and he should.
And that's not just messing with a business, that's messing with families.
Zero integrity.
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that ought to be good.
Must watch. Where do the Colts go from here? McAdoo? lol
Bet he downplays the entire situation, stating they have everything under control.
I think there's a decent chance he destroys McDaniels, and he should.
Agree and hope he does. GMs generally dont handle things that way.
However, if you make a deal and then the circumstances change all of a sudden, then you are free to do what you want.
You can say all you want about doing what's right for you family, blah de blah. I agree, but those conversations could have happened WAY earlier, before you make a commitment to others. The bottom line is that his assistants signed contracts before he did, and then he backed out. That is unambiguous. In my view, that person lacks integrity.
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FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.
Yes. If McD found out at the last minute that he was intentionally mis-informed about Luck's condition then the story changes.
Both were divorced in under 18 months. Both were financially ruined and have been miserable ever since.
Moral of the Story, it's never too late to change your mind.
In the end, you need to do what's best for #1.
Not quite comparable. McDaniels just screwed with the lives of all his potential assistants and their families.
Go ahead and tell me that the NFL was wrong to go after the Pats for the stupid petty shit and tell me that the NFL just wanted to be petty. Try and convince me.
The pats are fucking dirty. It's as clear as day.
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.@davediehl66 on McDaniels situation: The coach I spoke to last night who was going to be on that staff is now looking for a job...He had other options...and as of 10:15 last night he still hadn't spoken to Josh McDaniels and today he has to figure out the future of his coaching
Probably, but not on camera. Feed froze up on me, so not watching anymore.
Ballard was diplomatic.
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Our guy @CharleyCasserly is swinging on McDaniels: "He burned bridges he doesn't even know about." Says he was told McDaniels pursued the Colts job. "Shame on him."
8:36 AM - 7 Feb 2018
Try again. You can most definitely blame him.
Would you put it past him?
This was clearly a setup from day one. I refuse to believe that McDaniel suddenly had a change of heart but even if he did it's still a terrible job by McD and the Pats. Why do I think this is shady? Because the Pats get caught doing something shady every other year.
Both were divorced in under 18 months. Both were financially ruined and have been miserable ever since.
Moral of the Story, it's never too late to change your mind.
In the end, you need to do what's best for #1.
Again, for the 100th time. IT'S THE PATS. This shit happens time and time and time again. Going all the way back to when Big and Little Bill left the Jets high and dry. Little Bill took the job and then quit one day later and went to.........wait for it....THE PATS.
That franchise is fucking garbage. They make Dallas look clean and ethical.
Try again. You can most definitely blame him.
I believe that the last few weeks were a whirlwind for him between getting ready for the playoffs, the wickersham report and the interviews. he was lured by the money, legacy and career advancement opportunity of being a head coach again, but was persuaded by a last ditch pitch for more money, an extension and mentorship by BB so that he may one say succeed him and/or be better prepared for when he does accept a coach or coach/GM position going forward. And yeah, when you have a family, including 4 kids, things like stability and consistency do matter. he likely did not have the time or the space to consider all of that during the last few weeks.
people can make him seem like a villain, but I don't think it's as black and white as that.
There's no other way to paint this. It's a terrible job by the Pats. And I blame them. Why? Because they are shady. Always.
There's no other way to paint this. It's a terrible job by the Pats. And I blame them. Why? Because they are shady. Always.
I don't blame the Pats or Kraft. They made a pitch to a valuable employee to stay instead of taking his skill set and institutional knowledge to the competition. They were within their rights to do so and have not broken any laws. McDaniels is not a slave and no one was forcing him to stay. Maybe they made a similar pitch to Matt Patricia and he decided to move forward with his opportunity.
mcdaniels gets a raise, extension and a chance to be mentored by the GOAT while keeping his kids in the same schools. there was a good chance he would be 1 or 2 years and done in indy and then he would be back to square one, especially if grumpy lobster boat captain retires in the interim.
Pats turn shitty real quick like
McDaniels gets fired as HC after 2 years and has no option as HC in the NFL
Belichick told McDaniels that he would spend more time with him on the inner workings of the Patriots, including roster construction and salary-cap management, which was viewed as "extremely valuable" to McDaniels.
I found what he did to be BS as others have articulated in regards to his selfishness regarding the coaches that were supposed to go work for him.
However, what I find interesting if this article is true, is that Belichick has a master plan for how the Patriots work that he does not completely share with others. It could be part of the reason that his assistants fail other places when they try to replicate his system. I think Belichick is on a whole other level of thought and finds assistant coaches that fill a skill set, like he does with his players. They each do the job that they are asked and collectively the sum is greater than the parts.
I do not think what Belichick has created can be replicated because part of the success of the system includes him and his brain. I think that despite being an ass and going about this all wrong, Mcdaniels realized that he needed to learn more about all aspects of Belichick's ways and maybe the best way to replicate his system is to continue with what he has put in place.
Tuesday morning meeting with Bill Belichick convinced Josh McDaniels to change his mind - ( New Window )