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Stunner: Patriots OC Josh McDaniels has decided NOT to accept Colts HC job and will remain with New England, sources told ESPN.
If I'm Goodell and the other owner I seriously consider taking the franchise from Kraft. Is this how you want an NFL owner behaving? He's already tainted Super Bowls? Maybe what he did today to another owner wasn't illegal but it was extremely unethical and makes the NFL look like a 2nd rate gong show. This is not the damn WWF.
Del Rio and Mularkey. Yes, I understand these might not be the most popular names, but these guys seem to be solid professionals (which is more than what McDaniels can say).
Each of these guys are coming off of respectable jobs with their previous teams and when you look at the overall body of work probably didnt deserve to be fired. Del Rio had to deal with the Carr injury and the Las Vegas circus and Mularkey was sent packing after a playoff appearance and road playoff win.
The Cowboys coach who is now in place in Indy is highly thought of from all Ive read so you wouldnt think that would be a huge road block. Especially for an offensive guy like Mularkey.
If I'm Goodell and the other owner I seriously consider taking the franchise from Kraft. Is this how you want an NFL owner behaving? He's already tainted Super Bowls? Maybe what he did today to another owner wasn't illegal but it was extremely unethical and makes the NFL look like a 2nd rate gong show. This is not the damn WWF.
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Source close to situation says clarity on Bill Belichick's status in New England (Belichick is locked in to coach Patriots in 2018) and stability for family among top factors for Josh McDaniels' sudden change.
So Belichick staying was a factor? He doesn't want to take over for him? I'm confused.
Speaking of his family. Didn't a RB on the Broncos try to make a move on McDaniels' wife? Then McD shipped him off to Cleveland.
Also, isn't this the same move Belichick pulled on the Jets?
If I'm Goodell and the other owner I seriously consider taking the franchise from Kraft. Is this how you want an NFL owner behaving? He's already tainted Super Bowls? Maybe what he did today to another owner wasn't illegal but it was extremely unethical and makes the NFL look like a 2nd rate gong show. This is not the damn WWF.
Take the team from him.
I don't know you but you ain't smart.
So what if the Colts were your franchise? What would you do?
Mike Reiss
Source close to situation says clarity on Bill Belichick's status in New England (Belichick is locked in to coach Patriots in 2018) and stability for family among top factors for Josh McDaniels' sudden change.
So Belichick staying was a factor? He doesn't want to take over for him? I'm confused.
Speaking of his family. Didn't a RB on the Broncos try to make a move on McDaniels' wife? Then McD shipped him off to Cleveland.
Also, isn't this the same move Belichick pulled on the Jets?
Well, sort of but not really because Belichick was already employed by the Jets at the time. He was being promoted to HC, accepted the position, and then reneged on it shortly after and left.
Family stability is a key reason why he decided to stay in NE and with 4 kids and the impact it had on them when he took the Denver and St. Louis jobs, I can get the reason why he decided to stay. Not to mention it is Indiana and a crappy team. perhaps Kraft assured him verbally that he will be Grumpy Lobster Boat Captains successor when the time comes for him to retire.
Then you dont go out and interview in the first place. There is no defense for the way he handled this.
Family stability is a key reason why he decided to stay in NE and with 4 kids and the impact it had on them when he took the Denver and St. Louis jobs, I can get the reason why he decided to stay. Not to mention it is Indiana and a crappy team. perhaps Kraft assured him verbally that he will be Grumpy Lobster Boat Captains successor when the time comes for him to retire.
All that consideration has to be done before you agree to the job and start calling people and giving THEM jobs.
He didnt force McDaniels to stay. It is common for employers who are about to lose a valued employee to the competition to persuade them to stick around.
He didnt force McDaniels to stay. It is common for employers who are about to lose a valued employee to the competition to persuade them to stick around.
It's a timing thing though. They hung the Colts out to dry while his team was in the playoffs all the way to the Super Bowl.
and Gregg Williams as DC for the express purpose of taking out Pats players 2018 in foxboro as a F Y on behalf of the rest of the NFL.
Not that I'm advocating intentionally hurting any particular player who throws the ball or anybody.
How do we even know this wasn't a scheme from day 1 with McDaniels never intending to take the job and Kraft just plotting his revenge for being caught cheating(again)?
He may have been genuinely enticed about a career growth move especially after the espn report about the supposed rift. And interview requests come fast and furious in the middle of 100 hour work weeks preparing for the playoffs. But when he did his due diligence and talked it over with his family he realized he had happiness where he was. Im in the corporate world and see successful candidates regularly turn down offers even after multiple interviews. Its not unusual
How do we even know this wasn't a scheme from day 1 with McDaniels never intending to take the job and Kraft just plotting his revenge for being caught cheating(again)?
He may have been genuinely enticed about a career growth move especially after the espn report about the supposed rift. And interview requests come fast and furious in the middle of 100 hour work weeks preparing for the playoffs. But when he did his due diligence and talked it over with his family he realized he had happiness where he was. Im in the corporate world and see successful candidates regularly turn down offers even after multiple interviews. Its not unusual
He didn't turn down an offer. He took the job. Very different than having a change of heart after going through interviews.
How do we even know this wasn't a scheme from day 1 with McDaniels never intending to take the job and Kraft just plotting his revenge for being caught cheating(again)?
Would you put it past him?
New troll?
What are you talking about? This is legitimately being discussed as revenge for being caught cheating. Schefter just tweeted it
He should of realized Irsay was a nutjob owner from the get go...
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Some will say that McDaniels had concerns about the health of quarterback Andrew Luck. The more accurate reality is that McDaniels had concerns about working with owner Jim Irsay.
No doubt in my mind Kraft had a large hand in this.
I hadn't quite realized how slimy he was until I watched the Two Bill's 30 for 30.
Kraft is a fucking snake.
Been saying this for years. I have zero doubt that the pats have been shady all these years. Ask yourself Why the hell the NFL has been launching witch hunt after witch hunt at New England the last decade or so? Kraft is a shady fuck.
Could BB Have Informed Kraft After The Super Bowl...
How do we even know this wasn't a scheme from day 1 with McDaniels never intending to take the job and Kraft just plotting his revenge for being caught cheating(again)?
Would you put it past him?
New troll?
What are you talking about? This is legitimately being discussed as revenge for being caught cheating. Schefter just tweeted it
Your handle and you registered in February but you know what I meant.
If I'm Goodell and the other owner I seriously consider taking the franchise from Kraft. Is this how you want an NFL owner behaving? He's already tainted Super Bowls? Maybe what he did today to another owner wasn't illegal but it was extremely unethical and makes the NFL look like a 2nd rate gong show. This is not the damn WWF.
Take the team from him.
I don't know you but you ain't smart.
So what if the Colts were your franchise? What would you do?
There's been rumors around him for years about connections to organized crime. That Foxboro Raceway purchase he made in the 80s as a sneaky way to try to bankrupt the Patriots owners had rumored Boston mob connections. One of the stories is he got the 10 year option on that race track from a guy who was introduced to Kraft by someone eventually convicted on RICO charges in 1991. He also appears to have significant funds tied up in offshore accounts under dummy business names that certainly resemble what one would consider a money laundering scheme.
If I'm Goodell and the other owner I seriously consider taking the franchise from Kraft. Is this how you want an NFL owner behaving? He's already tainted Super Bowls? Maybe what he did today to another owner wasn't illegal but it was extremely unethical and makes the NFL look like a 2nd rate gong show. This is not the damn WWF.
Take the team from him.
I don't know you but you ain't smart.
So what if the Colts were your franchise? What would you do?
Arians would be perfect for them given his familiarity with the franchise, the success he had as an interim HC, and Andrew Luck - but given that the staff is already there and the ridiculousness of the situation, I can't see Arians jumping out of retirement for a mess like this.
RE: Could BB Have Informed Kraft After The Super Bowl...
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
and Kraft. You don't agree to a deal and announce it and then renege at the last possible moment. Kraft had weeks to overturn this. They wait to the last second?
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FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.
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and Kraft. You don't agree to a deal and announce it and then renege at the last possible moment. Kraft had weeks to overturn this. They wait to the last second?
It's indecent.
I'm not a Kraft fan whatsoever, but you'd have to think losing a super bowl changes the outlook. Especially if, like it's suggested in this storyline, Kraft may know exactly how much time he has left with Belichick.
RE: RE: Could BB Have Informed Kraft After The Super Bowl...
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
Um... Kraft pays McDaniel's paycheck. I would be a bit shocked if they weren't in regular contact over the past few weeks.
Seriously, please stop posting.
RE: RE: Could BB Have Informed Kraft After The Super Bowl...
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
McDaniels literally works for Kraft. He can text, call, cajole, provoke, entice, you name the verb, any time he wants.
Davis commited to the Buffs as a grad transfer, he allowed signing day to pass with the Buffs having not taken any other quarterback to challenge for the starting job, the coaching staff decided to redshirt Sefo Liufau to clear way for Davis, Webb convinced CU to install a new offense around his talents during the spring, he assured HC Mike McIntyre that he was coming to Boulder, and days later Webb bailed to join Cal.
there have always been character questions about McDaniels...
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
McDaniels literally works for Kraft. He can text, call, cajole, provoke, entice, you name the verb, any time he wants.
We know that. What I meant is suppose McDaniels never intended to take the job in the first place
The Patriots very methodically, meticulously plan everything out. Every detail. Why wouldn't this be the same?
RE: RE: Could BB Have Informed Kraft After The Super Bowl...
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
This might be the dumbest post Ive ever seen on BBI.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Could BB Have Informed Kraft After The Super Bowl...
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
McDaniels literally works for Kraft. He can text, call, cajole, provoke, entice, you name the verb, any time he wants.
We know that. What I meant is suppose McDaniels never intended to take the job in the first place
The Patriots very methodically, meticulously plan everything out. Every detail. Why wouldn't this be the same?
what do they now do with the signed assistants? That's the first thing any new HC wants to establish; get your own assistants in place. What a mess.
For all the ripping of owner Kraft I am reading, can you imagine losing both coordinators in one season? Most of us would do exactly the same in Kraft's position, that is, lobby to keep McDaniels and sweeten his deal with more salary.
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Assuming he's a) vertical and b) coherent.
LOL. He's never coherent. Vertical depends how early you catch him in the day.
Take the team from him.
Each of these guys are coming off of respectable jobs with their previous teams and when you look at the overall body of work probably didnt deserve to be fired. Del Rio had to deal with the Carr injury and the Las Vegas circus and Mularkey was sent packing after a playoff appearance and road playoff win.
The Cowboys coach who is now in place in Indy is highly thought of from all Ive read so you wouldnt think that would be a huge road block. Especially for an offensive guy like Mularkey.
Take the team from him.
I don't know you but you ain't smart.
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Mike Reiss
Source close to situation says clarity on Bill Belichick's status in New England (Belichick is locked in to coach Patriots in 2018) and stability for family among top factors for Josh McDaniels' sudden change.
So Belichick staying was a factor? He doesn't want to take over for him? I'm confused.
Speaking of his family. Didn't a RB on the Broncos try to make a move on McDaniels' wife? Then McD shipped him off to Cleveland.
Also, isn't this the same move Belichick pulled on the Jets?
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If I'm Goodell and the other owner I seriously consider taking the franchise from Kraft. Is this how you want an NFL owner behaving? He's already tainted Super Bowls? Maybe what he did today to another owner wasn't illegal but it was extremely unethical and makes the NFL look like a 2nd rate gong show. This is not the damn WWF.
Take the team from him.
I don't know you but you ain't smart.
So what if the Colts were your franchise? What would you do?
Maybe he couldn't get anyone to join his staff.
There is certainly competition from the Lions in snatching Patriots assistants.
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Mike Reiss
Source close to situation says clarity on Bill Belichick's status in New England (Belichick is locked in to coach Patriots in 2018) and stability for family among top factors for Josh McDaniels' sudden change.
So Belichick staying was a factor? He doesn't want to take over for him? I'm confused.
Speaking of his family. Didn't a RB on the Broncos try to make a move on McDaniels' wife? Then McD shipped him off to Cleveland.
Also, isn't this the same move Belichick pulled on the Jets?
Well, sort of but not really because Belichick was already employed by the Jets at the time. He was being promoted to HC, accepted the position, and then reneged on it shortly after and left.
Then you dont go out and interview in the first place. There is no defense for the way he handled this.
All that consideration has to be done before you agree to the job and start calling people and giving THEM jobs.
It's a timing thing though. They hung the Colts out to dry while his team was in the playoffs all the way to the Super Bowl.
and Gregg Williams as DC for the express purpose of taking out Pats players 2018 in foxboro as a F Y on behalf of the rest of the NFL.
Not that I'm advocating intentionally hurting any particular player who throws the ball or anybody.
Would you put it past him?
Would you put it past him?
New troll?
He didn't turn down an offer. He took the job. Very different than having a change of heart after going through interviews.
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How do we even know this wasn't a scheme from day 1 with McDaniels never intending to take the job and Kraft just plotting his revenge for being caught cheating(again)?
Would you put it past him?
New troll?
What are you talking about? This is legitimately being discussed as revenge for being caught cheating. Schefter just tweeted it
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Some will say that McDaniels had concerns about the health of quarterback Andrew Luck. The more accurate reality is that McDaniels had concerns about working with owner Jim Irsay.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/06/mcdaniels-decided-to-stay-put-with-no-promises-or-commitments-from-patriots/
I hadn't quite realized how slimy he was until I watched the Two Bill's 30 for 30.
Kraft is a fucking snake.
Been saying this for years. I have zero doubt that the pats have been shady all these years. Ask yourself Why the hell the NFL has been launching witch hunt after witch hunt at New England the last decade or so? Kraft is a shady fuck.
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
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How do we even know this wasn't a scheme from day 1 with McDaniels never intending to take the job and Kraft just plotting his revenge for being caught cheating(again)?
Would you put it past him?
New troll?
What are you talking about? This is legitimately being discussed as revenge for being caught cheating. Schefter just tweeted it
Your handle and you registered in February but you know what I meant.
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If I'm Goodell and the other owner I seriously consider taking the franchise from Kraft. Is this how you want an NFL owner behaving? He's already tainted Super Bowls? Maybe what he did today to another owner wasn't illegal but it was extremely unethical and makes the NFL look like a 2nd rate gong show. This is not the damn WWF.
Take the team from him.
I don't know you but you ain't smart.
So what if the Colts were your franchise? What would you do?
Not get caught using drugs?
He's really no good.
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If I'm Goodell and the other owner I seriously consider taking the franchise from Kraft. Is this how you want an NFL owner behaving? He's already tainted Super Bowls? Maybe what he did today to another owner wasn't illegal but it was extremely unethical and makes the NFL look like a 2nd rate gong show. This is not the damn WWF.
Take the team from him.
I don't know you but you ain't smart.
So what if the Colts were your franchise? What would you do?
Not get caught using drugs?
You're already smarter than Irsay.
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
It's indecent.
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FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.
It's indecent.
I'm not a Kraft fan whatsoever, but you'd have to think losing a super bowl changes the outlook. Especially if, like it's suggested in this storyline, Kraft may know exactly how much time he has left with Belichick.
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That he (BB) would be done after 2018?
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
Um... Kraft pays McDaniel's paycheck. I would be a bit shocked if they weren't in regular contact over the past few weeks.
Seriously, please stop posting.
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That he (BB) would be done after 2018?
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
McDaniels literally works for Kraft. He can text, call, cajole, provoke, entice, you name the verb, any time he wants.
Still a lil Bill wannabe.
But isnt.
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That he (BB) would be done after 2018?
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
McDaniels literally works for Kraft. He can text, call, cajole, provoke, entice, you name the verb, any time he wants.
We know that. What I meant is suppose McDaniels never intended to take the job in the first place
The Patriots very methodically, meticulously plan everything out. Every detail. Why wouldn't this be the same?
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That he (BB) would be done after 2018?
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
Is this a serious post?
They're what you call pawns.
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That he (BB) would be done after 2018?
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
This might be the dumbest post Ive ever seen on BBI.
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That he (BB) would be done after 2018?
If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.
If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too
McDaniels literally works for Kraft. He can text, call, cajole, provoke, entice, you name the verb, any time he wants.
We know that. What I meant is suppose McDaniels never intended to take the job in the first place
The Patriots very methodically, meticulously plan everything out. Every detail. Why wouldn't this be the same?
And then?
For all the ripping of owner Kraft I am reading, can you imagine losing both coordinators in one season? Most of us would do exactly the same in Kraft's position, that is, lobby to keep McDaniels and sweeten his deal with more salary.
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good call, sadly for the Colts and the hires.