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Duggan: 13 Hall of Famers weigh in if Eli is HOF material

Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2018 8:37 am
FYI...
Is Giants' Eli Manning Canton-bound? 13 Hall of Famers weigh in - ( New Window )
Kurt Warner says Nope  
Beer Man : 2/7/2018 8:43 am : link
What a surprise
Really big of you Kurt.  
Giant John : 2/7/2018 8:44 am : link
Still holding a grudge I see.
RE: Kurt Warner says Nope  
Default : 2/7/2018 8:44 am : link
In comment 13824740 Beer Man said:
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What a surprise


lol, what? he was on the fence, which is fair.
Kurt Warner...  
Chris in Philly : 2/7/2018 8:45 am : link
sure love but to hear himself talk...
It was basically 11 out of 13 if I'm not mistaken  
Chris684 : 2/7/2018 8:46 am : link
with Emmitt Smith saying wait and see and Warner not fully committing.

Not surprisingly a Dallas Cowboy, and the man who lost his starting job in NY to make way for Eli.
RE: Kurt Warner...  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 8:46 am : link
In comment 13824749 Chris in Philly said:
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sure love but to hear himself talk...


He's the only guy that had a multi paragraph quote/explanation.
Eric please save this thread  
Chris684 : 2/7/2018 8:49 am : link
for the "Eli throws high slants and got Beckham hurt" crowd the next time this topic comes up and they tell us all the ways Eli will fall just short of the HOF.
I was just about to post this  
exiled : 2/7/2018 8:53 am : link
I really hope Eli has an opportunity for a great season (or two) before retiring.
I actually think Warner's argument is fair  
Scyber : 2/7/2018 9:03 am : link
But I disagree that you only look at the two factors of Regular Season success and Post Seasons success when evaluating HOF players. I think there is a 3rd factor of "Intangibles" that go beyond just stats and wins/losses to balance out things. After all, it is a Hall of "Fame" and not a Hall of "Stats" or Hall of "Win Percentage". The intangibles are often what defines a player above (or below) what his stats show.

This 3rd factor is why someone like Joe Namath is in with mediocre (to poor) regular season stats and only one postseason to speak of. That is b/c that one Superbowl redefined the NFL and is historic.

I think the "Intangibles" is what pushes Eli over the top. Things like:
- Not just winning the SB, but beating the 18-0 patriots
- The Tyree Helmet catch play
- The starting streak (that really should be continued with an asterisk, but I digress).
I think Kurt's pretty logical here  
Eli2Plax1017 : 2/7/2018 9:05 am : link
I love Eli, and he'll probably get in, but I don't think he should be a lock
Singletary's commentary is the best  
Chris684 : 2/7/2018 9:09 am : link
and most appropriate for Eli.

“Absolutely. First of all because of the Super Bowls that he has," Singletary said. "Even though the defense was good, at the same time, if you don’t have a quarterback it can be very difficult to win the Super Bowl. But the other thing is he’s had some tremendous games where he exemplified leadership. I just think it’s a shame what’s happened to him in the past year or so. To me, he is a Hall of Fame quarterback simply because he is a leader. I don’t care about all the other stuff you say about him – he is a leader. And he’s been able to take those teams to a place they couldn’t go without him.”

Taking teams to places they couldnt go without him.

-10 years ago taking the field with just under 3 minutes to go down by 4 to the undefeated Pats.

-The entire 2011 season in which he should have at the very least won co-MVP with Rodgers.

RE: RE: Kurt Warner...  
Chris in Philly : 2/7/2018 9:10 am : link
In comment 13824752 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13824749 Chris in Philly said:


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sure love but to hear himself talk...



He's the only guy that had a multi paragraph quote/explanation.


It probably takes him 10 minutes to order lunch.
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Bill2 : 2/7/2018 9:10 am : link
I read that as one abstain ( Smith ) and 12 yes answers ( we just don't like Warners very fair reasoning. Sorry. that's what the record says).

The guy who gave the reasoning why he wouldn't right now is Woodson.

I suspect the answer is that its up to Eli in his remaining years. Maybe not a playoff appearance but some stellar games on national TV, some tough wins against the Eagles and two more 3800 yd/24 TD/13-15 interceptions/ years gets it done.
Kurt Warner always had an  
BBelle21 : 2/7/2018 9:11 am : link
inferiority complex about Eli. He will defend Eli when the game streak ended, and defend his high character. But the green eyed monster always shows up with on the field performance. He cant rarely give Eli credit for his incredible SBMVP performances. Can you imagine what Warner would say about Eli if he threw that int to James Harrison in the SB?

You weren’t a slam dunk either, Kurt. Stop acting like you were now that you finally got your gold jacket.
Warner..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2018 9:11 am : link
should be happy with his glorified story of going from grocery bagger to Super Bowl MVP, a tale that has been spun to make it sound like he's on a shelf stacking Wheaties and somehow lands a QB job.

He's also somewhat of a HoF anomaly. He certainly deserves to be in, even with his relatively short career, his only 4 Pro Bowl appearances, his 3 year run with the Rams that was phenomenal, his injuries that kept him only playing 16 games 3 times in his career, and his below .500 record outside of St. Louis. But Eli deserves it too.
Warner really needs to shut up. He had nowhere to go, was brought  
Victor in CT : 2/7/2018 9:19 am : link
here and signed knowingly to keep the seat warm until Eli was ready, and possibly get another team interested in him. Which he did. He was not going to get a shot to be the long term QB and he knew it coming in.
One other interesting point (to me at least)  
Bill L : 2/7/2018 9:23 am : link
Is that you can add almost 13 other pro’s, experts in the sport, seen it all people, to add to the other pro’s, scouts, talent evaluators, who say that Eli still has it. Who say that it was the supporting cast that makes him look worse than he is. Who says that he’s not done and can still lead this team to the post season.

Versus a smattering of BBIers, sitting on their couches.
RE: Warner..  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 13824784 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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should be happy with his glorified story of going from grocery bagger to Super Bowl MVP, a tale that has been spun to make it sound like he's on a shelf stacking Wheaties and somehow lands a QB job.

He's also somewhat of a HoF anomaly. He certainly deserves to be in, even with his relatively short career, his only 4 Pro Bowl appearances, his 3 year run with the Rams that was phenomenal, his injuries that kept him only playing 16 games 3 times in his career, and his below .500 record outside of St. Louis. But Eli deserves it too.


That's the thing. Warner doesn't seem to realize he was "borderline" too.
I think Warner's points are valid  
GiantTuff1 : 2/7/2018 9:25 am : link
he is just willing to speak out his logic a little more, but says at the end he's most likely in...

Sometimes I think it's this place that has an ax to grind with Kurt.
I don't have a problem with Warner's reasoning.....  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 9:28 am : link
but coupled with past comments, it just gets a little annoying after awhile.
Don't understand  
Gman11 : 2/7/2018 9:30 am : link
the hate for Warner. After all he said, " I think he’s a borderline guy, but I also believe because he won two championships in the fashion in which he won them, I think that’s probably what puts him over the top and gets him into the Hall of Fame.”
RE: Don't understand  
BillKo : 2/7/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 13824820 Gman11 said:
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the hate for Warner. After all he said, " I think he’s a borderline guy, but I also believe because he won two championships in the fashion in which he won them, I think that’s probably what puts him over the top and gets him into the Hall of Fame.”


So if that's what Warner said, I think it's spot on.

If Eli didn't win those two SB's, I don't think he would get in. That's really the thing that should, and does, push him over the top.
So Rivers might be on the wrong side of the border?  
Bill L : 2/7/2018 9:46 am : link
They are going to be linked, is my guess.
I think all three QBs from the 2004 QB class  
NYG07 : 2/7/2018 9:59 am : link
will eventually get in. Roethlisberger is a lock. There will be some dissention in the voting room when it comes to Manning and Rivers, but they will all get in.

Warner is clearly still pissed about getting benched for Manning, but even he ultimately admitted Eli will get in. I think his point regarding regular season play is relevant when you compare Manning and Rivers.

Rivers did not get to play until 2006, while Manning entered in mid 2004. Yet Rivers has only about $1k fewer yard passing, 3 more TDs and 62 fewer INTs in his career. Manning deserves to get in before Rivers, but I think Rivers deserves the HOF as well at some point.
So... one more SB MVP  
SHO'NUFF : 2/7/2018 10:11 am : link
and Nick Foles is in?
RE: I think all three QBs from the 2004 QB class  
lax counsel : 2/7/2018 10:13 am : link
In comment 13824891 NYG07 said:
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will eventually get in. Roethlisberger is a lock. There will be some dissention in the voting room when it comes to Manning and Rivers, but they will all get in.

Warner is clearly still pissed about getting benched for Manning, but even he ultimately admitted Eli will get in. I think his point regarding regular season play is relevant when you compare Manning and Rivers.

Rivers did not get to play until 2006, while Manning entered in mid 2004. Yet Rivers has only about $1k fewer yard passing, 3 more TDs and 62 fewer INTs in his career. Manning deserves to get in before Rivers, but I think Rivers deserves the HOF as well at some point.


All three should be in the HOF. Rivers has the statistics and had some very nice seasons. If the Chargers were a better franchise, he very likely could have had a sb to his name as well. Ben and Eli should be locks, they are both quality qbs who had a penchant for the incredible and extraordinary.
If Eli had Emmitt's OL  
Bubba : 2/7/2018 10:16 am : link
he would be a shoo-in for the HOF.
RE: So... one more SB MVP  
lax counsel : 2/7/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 13824915 SHO'NUFF said:
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and Nick Foles is in?


Eli Manning Career:

-TD:339
-Yds: 51,682

Nick Foles:
-TD: 61
-Yds:9,752


Are you really making this comparison? Also, let's be honest with ourselves, if Wentz is hurt early or mid season, Foles isn't getting that team all the way to the SB, that season was built on Wentz, with Foles playing well in 2- count em- two games. I'm willing to bet Foles never sniffs another sb in his career.
Kurts Answer  
Rafflee : 2/7/2018 10:20 am : link
Is thoughtful and On-Target...and it was Affirmative!

Eli has mostly been a top 5-7 QB...Never a Top 3. In His Prime, The Top 2 were Brady and Peyton. Rothlisberger and Brees would usually be seen as 3/4.... and there were years when other QB's were in that 3-7 mix. I don't believe that Eli was Ever at 3...and you could sometimes argue that He was at 4...5/6

Presently, He has no place in the Top 10....maybe he will again.

He's had some Greatness Runs---4th Quarters and Playoffs/Superbowls. From Film Study to Ball Snap, He's always been in the Top 1-4...He gets you out of Bad Plays and into Good or less disasterous Plays. That's why He can win Big Games and Play so far up in Big Situations---That's not an accident or luck---That's His Greatness.

RE: Kurts Answer  
Rafflee : 2/7/2018 10:22 am : link
add Rogers to Prior Comment...above Eli. A Top 1-3 Guy

In comment 13824942 Rafflee said:
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Is thoughtful and On-Target...and it was Affirmative!

Eli has mostly been a top 5-7 QB...Never a Top 3. In His Prime, The Top 2 were Brady and Peyton. Rothlisberger and Brees would usually be seen as 3/4.... and there were years when other QB's were in that 3-7 mix. I don't believe that Eli was Ever at 3...and you could sometimes argue that He was at 4...5/6

Presently, He has no place in the Top 10....maybe he will again.

He's had some Greatness Runs---4th Quarters and Playoffs/Superbowls. From Film Study to Ball Snap, He's always been in the Top 1-4...He gets you out of Bad Plays and into Good or less disasterous Plays. That's why He can win Big Games and Play so far up in Big Situations---That's not an accident or luck---That's His Greatness.
It has been about 7 straight years  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/7/2018 10:23 am : link
of embarrassing OL play in both the passing and running game, zero run game, and a stretch of insane injuries across the roster.

The one constant sign of hope in this mess has been Eli.

Some things Reese did very well and he deserves a lot of credit for the two Super Bowls. But he also did so much damage in terms of building a team for sustained success. To go as long as the Giants have without being able to run the ball at all or protect a franchise pocket-passing QB is beyond frustrating.
RE: It has been about 7 straight years  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13824946 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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of embarrassing OL play in both the passing and running game, zero run game, and a stretch of insane injuries across the roster.

The one constant sign of hope in this mess has been Eli.

Some things Reese did very well and he deserves a lot of credit for the two Super Bowls. But he also did so much damage in terms of building a team for sustained success. To go as long as the Giants have without being able to run the ball at all or protect a franchise pocket-passing QB is beyond frustrating.


Interestingly enough, that's exactly what Warner said four days ago in regards to Eli:

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"I think it's impossible to be able to evaluate anybody, especially when you're making an evaluation if he's done or not. You have to at least see him not be able to do it with the pieces in place," Warner told NJ Advance Media on radio row at the Super Bowl. "You've got to be able to go back and go, 'OK, that guy was open and that guy was open, he had plenty of time and he just didn't get it done. The defense played well enough and he just couldn't do it.' You can't say any of that about last year. I just think it's impossible to evaluate that."

Warner didn't detect any physical slippage from what he did see of Manning this season.

"Not at all," said Warner, who played until he was 38. "You have to give him another year with these pieces in place just to see. I'm just a guy that doesn't believe very many guys just fall off a cliff. Outside of a major injury or something physically just deteriorating, guys don't forget how to play the game. I don't think Eli is that way either."


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"I just think they went through a bunch of crap this year," Warner said. "He's still out there fighting and battling and going through it. I just think they need to take a step back, figure out what was going on with their defense, get that right again, get their play-makers healthy, fix the offensive line and get some improvement there, and I think Eli is your guy for a couple more years until you figure out what the future looks like and who's that next guy."


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Eli is 6th in NFL History in passing yards,  
PatersonPlank : 2/7/2018 10:46 am : link
ahead of Elway, Tarkenton, Moon, and Kelly (and will possible pass Marino when its all done);

Eli is a lock for 7th, and has a good shot at 6th, at All-time passing TD's (ahead of guys like Montana, Moon, Elway, Tarkenton). Maybe he'll even finish ahead of Marino for 6th.

2 time SB winner, 2 time SB MVP.

4 time Pro Bowl player (so far)
Payton Man of the Year award winner

How can he not make it? If his name wasn't Eli, everyone would say he's a shoe-in. His stats are right there with Big Ben's, who some people on here say is a shoe-in.
Exactly....  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 10:49 am : link
the Jim Plunkett comparisons don't hold water.

It's too bad McAdoo ended the streak, because being second all time in that would have added to the resume as well.

Now he'll likely get passed by Rivers, and that isn't fair.
Warner  
Motley Two : 2/7/2018 10:51 am : link
Is the same guy who ran to find a radio station the morning after Eli's 2nd Super Bowl win to downplay Eli's success.

Dude is a fucking tool.
its funny  
Jerz44 : 2/7/2018 10:53 am : link
that for all the hate (justifiably) towards McAdoo, he may have done more than anyone in terms of lifting Eli's reputation.

Once he was benched, people were tripping over each other to support him.
RE: Kurt Warner says Nope  
EmpireWF : 2/7/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13824740 Beer Man said:
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What a surprise


Put on your reading glasses.

Warner says Eli is a HOF player based exclusively on his two playoff runs. The only reason Eli would get into the HOF is off the 2007 and 2012 playoffs.
This is very true...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2018 10:55 am : link
even when Mac fucks up, he doesn't get the intended result!!

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its funny
Jerz44 : 10:53 am : link : reply
that for all the hate (justifiably) towards McAdoo, he may have done more than anyone in terms of lifting Eli's reputation.

Once he was benched, people were tripping over each other to support him.
LOL  
Peppers : 2/7/2018 11:02 am : link
Did the guys going after Warner actually read what he said? This is hilarious. First reply to the thread the guy says Kurt said Nope lol which isn't true then it seems no one reads his quote and the hate fest begins, unreal lol.

What do you expect them to say?  
oldutican : 2/7/2018 11:36 am : link
Why would any of these guys make waves by saying Eli shouldn't get in?
RE: What do you expect them to say?  
Bill L : 2/7/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 13825108 oldutican said:
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Why would any of these guys make waves by saying Eli shouldn't get in?
plus, they speak to truth.
If Warner is in the HoF Eli is a sure first ballot HoFer!  
SterlingArcher : 2/7/2018 11:42 am : link
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There is no debate to be made against him  
fanofthejets : 2/7/2018 1:04 pm : link
There is no debate and there is nothing to weigh in on. Eli Manning is a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. As a player he was supremely clutch and exciting. He meets all statistical criteria. Off the field he embodied everything you could possibly want as the face of a franchise and representative of the league. Victory was handled with humble class and grace, defeat was handled with humble class and grace. He persevered against adversity, he played by the rules, he didn't show up his opponents.
Most said “wait and see” without using those words exactly.  
Ivan15 : 2/7/2018 1:12 pm : link
If Eli was a sure fire Hall of Famer, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Most everyone including me are looking for one more good season and a playoff run.

Wait and see.
Kurt Warner sucks...  
trueblueinpw : 2/7/2018 1:39 pm : link
Eli’s has had a much better career than Warner and yet Eli is somehow borderline? The arrogance of Warner is amazing!

I remember reading an article that broke down the yes and no arguments for Warner’s HOF candidacy and there some really amazing stats about Warner and things like playing outside, playing in bad weather and playing from behind Warner was shockingly terrible, getting benched multiple times throughout his career and the fumbles and all the HOF and super talented players Warner had around him. Warner is a feel good story, the whole bagging groceries thing, but the story always seems to ignore the fact there was a reason Warner was bagging groceries. Me personally, I never thought of Warner as an HOF guy, but, hey, he’s got the hardware and his story is a nice tale of perseverance and determination.

He’s in the Hall now, so it’s a moot point. But, in the Dugan article Warner intimates that Eli’s regular season doesn’t qualify him for the HOF. Eli’s has a substainally better regular season career than almost every one of his peers and he’s by far surpassed Warner’s career which was actually pretty mediocre. Eli’s start streak alone makes him amazing. His success without a lot of talent around is also amazing and completely different than Warner’s career which includes several HOF and All Pro players the likes of Eli might only dream of. Anyway, I think Warner’s a putz and the fact that so many other folks that Dugan polled said yes is a fairly solid indicator that Warner out on his own in this matter.
I am surprised at the number who  
LG in NYC : 2/7/2018 1:42 pm : link
responded "let's wait and see" as if there is much more of the Eli story to be written.

If he has another couple of decent to good years, puts another 45 TD's on his resume (and 20+ INTs) and wins another 16-18 games, are people really suggesting that will make him a HOFer??

I think he is in b/c of the 2 SB wins/MVP's.

and I don't think Warner's comments were at all out of line - in fact, I think he described the enigma that is Eli's career perfectly.
Warner..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2018 1:54 pm : link
basically made his HoF resume in a 3 years span leading the Greatest Show on Earth, and likely only is in the HoF for his Super Bowl win, which elevated the status of that group.

He played 16 games only 3 times in his career.

He had a very short, yet highly successful run. If he's deserving of the hall and Eli isn't then I don't have a logical explanation on how that would be.
And How is Jim Kelly a First Ballot HoFer  
clatterbuck : 2/7/2018 2:21 pm : link
and not Eli Manning? Championships count. Kelly is an ofer on 4 tries. Manning has/will have better career stats and is a two-time SB MVP. Should be a slam dunk and the only reason it may not be is the continuing anti-Manning bias in the sports media. The NFL HoF process is a joke anyway, rife with regional biases, grudges, and gamesmanship.
Did you guys read the whole quote from Warner?  
Matt M. : 2/7/2018 2:30 pm : link
He concludes that the 2 championships put him over the edge. Yes...Warner said he DOES make the HOF.
Maybe I need reading comprehension  
Matt M. : 2/7/2018 2:32 pm : link
because I read 13 quotes and only Emmitt Smith and Rod Woodson said no. And Woodson didn't really say no, but he didn't say yes.
Eli's had a weird career  
Modus Operandi : 2/7/2018 2:58 pm : link
He's been middle of the road in the regular season for much of his career. Has only won a playoff game twice in his career - going all the way both times and beating a favorite in the championship game.

I think it's a toss up. Put a gun to my head and I say yes. But I can see why others would argue against it.

Many here will argue that he hasn't had the best supporting cast and will bitch about Reese not putting an OL in front of him. Fine. But that isn't how HOF players are judged.
wel then how are they judged? Kelly is in, yet as said was 0-4  
Victor in CT : 2/7/2018 3:07 pm : link
in the SB, and was considered going in to be on the better team in at least 2 of them (Giants, Skins) and maybe a 3rd (1st time againt Dallas).
It’s kind of a fools game  
Bill L : 2/7/2018 3:15 pm : link
You’re in or not based more on sentiment than suitability. As with anything that is done by a vote. Objectively, there is no way that Namath should be in. And you can say that about many players. And I get Kelly; are his career stats better than Eli’s?

It’s all arbitrary.
Where did Warner say  
short lease : 2/7/2018 3:22 pm : link

This is the last line of his answer -

"I think that’s probably what puts him over the top and gets him into the Hall of Fame."
RE: Eli's had a weird career  
BrettNYG10 : 2/7/2018 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13825554 Modus Operandi said:
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He's been middle of the road in the regular season for much of his career. Has only won a playoff game twice in his career - going all the way both times and beating a favorite in the championship game.

I think it's a toss up. Put a gun to my head and I say yes. But I can see why others would argue against it.

Many here will argue that he hasn't had the best supporting cast and will bitch about Reese not putting an OL in front of him. Fine. But that isn't how HOF players are judged.


I agree with your take. I think he gets in. But I don't think it's a lock.

I would vote for him if I had a vote, though.
RE: It’s kind of a fools game  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13825599 Bill L said:
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You’re in or not based more on sentiment than suitability. As with anything that is done by a vote. Objectively, there is no way that Namath should be in. And you can say that about many players. And I get Kelly; are his career stats better than Eli’s?

It’s all arbitrary.


No, not really even close.

Eli is in #6 all time in yards, Neither Jim Kelly or Kurt Warner are in the Top 20.

Eli is #8 all time in TD's, Neither Jim Kelly or Kurt Warner are in the Top 20.

Eli is #6 in completions all time, Neither Jim Kelly or Kurt Warner are in the Top 20.

Eli is #15 in INT's all time (tied with Drew Brees), Kelly is 41 and Warner is 81
It's a slam dunk  
STLGiant : 2/7/2018 3:53 pm : link
Eli is 4th in current QBs with a 4th Quarter comeback (30 wins or more), 8th overall. Eli has 30, Kurt only 9. Kurt tied for 131 with (mike drop) Colin Kaepernick.

The rest you can read...
NFL 4th Quarter Comebacks... - ( New Window )
people will focus on whatever stat they feel like  
LG in NYC : 2/7/2018 4:19 pm : link
And all the ones mentioned here are fine.

but many HOF voters will simply ask themselves if Eli belongs in the same class as the other HOF QB's and then fit the argument to their decision.

honestly, one could argue Eli out of the HOF if they wanted to (which I do not)
Did some of you not read the article?  
5BowlsSoon : 2/7/2018 4:37 pm : link
Neither Warner nor Smith said NO. In fact, Warner did say, “yeah, probably based on the two SB wins.” SMH
It’s amazing this is even a question  
trueblueinpw : 2/7/2018 4:47 pm : link
Fuck all if Eli shouldn’t be enshrined in the HOF just for being so darn unappreciated. “Look kids, he’s Eli Manning, Most Under Appreciated Champion of All Time”.

I’m sorry, but every objective measure points to Eli being a slam dunk which is why I get so irked by dingleberries like Warner saying he’s “borderline”.
Ei/HOF  
Giantslifer : 2/7/2018 5:55 pm : link
As of right now - NO.
Possibly he gets in on one of the old player exemptions, Jerry Kramer just got in, he was the "star" OL for Lombardi.
If Eli takes leadership of Giants and leads them to another Super Bowl - Then YES

Although, since Warner is in. Who knows
Questioning this logic  
k-five : 2/7/2018 7:06 pm : link
Warner was lucky to get in the HoF with 2 league-wide MVPs but Eli is a definite HoF with 2 Super Bowl MVPs
RE: Warner..  
Simms11 : 2/7/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13825420 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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basically made his HoF resume in a 3 years span leading the Greatest Show on Earth, and likely only is in the HoF for his Super Bowl win, which elevated the status of that group.

He played 16 games only 3 times in his career.

He had a very short, yet highly successful run. If he's deserving of the hall and Eli isn't then I don't have a logical explanation on how that would be.


I agree with you, however don’t forget Warner was also a two-time NFL MVP and passing leader for one year, in addition to his other accolades. I think it’s clear most, better then 90%, of HoFers interviewed think he gets in. Unfortunately, they’re not the ones voting him in!
Who has Manning really played alongside?  
weeg in the bronx : 2/7/2018 8:49 pm : link
If you look at his peers - particularly Rivers and Ben - they have consistently been surrounded by all pro/pro bowl talent. Far more talent than Manning has ever had. Ben in particular.
That isn't what..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2018 8:56 pm : link
I said:

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Questioning this logic
k-five : 7:06 pm : link : reply
Warner was lucky to get in the HoF with 2 league-wide MVPs but Eli is a definite HoF with 2 Super Bowl MVPs


I said Warner had a very successful, yet brief period where he excelled. He deserved to be in the Hall. So does Eli.

I didn't say Warner was lucky. I said if he's in, Eli definitely should be in.
I am not a Warner fan, but what he said in that article  
Jimmy Googs : 2/7/2018 10:39 pm : link
is spot on...
RE: Who has Manning really played alongside?  
NYG07 : 2/9/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13825933 weeg in the bronx said:
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If you look at his peers - particularly Rivers and Ben - they have consistently been surrounded by all pro/pro bowl talent. Far more talent than Manning has ever had. Ben in particular.


I don't agree with this. Eli has played with a lot of great players over the years. He has had a bad o-line and running game for years now. But from 2005-2010 the Giants had a very good to great o-line and run game. He has also played with some great players like Tiki, Plax, Shockey, Toomer, Jacobs, Bradshaw, Nicks, Cruz, and above all Odell Beckham.
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