He's been middle of the road in the regular season for much of his career. Has only won a playoff game twice in his career - going all the way both times and beating a favorite in the championship game.
I think it's a toss up. Put a gun to my head and I say yes. But I can see why others would argue against it.
Many here will argue that he hasn't had the best supporting cast and will bitch about Reese not putting an OL in front of him. Fine. But that isn't how HOF players are judged.
wel then how are they judged? Kelly is in, yet as said was 0-4 Â
You’re in or not based more on sentiment than suitability. As with anything that is done by a vote. Objectively, there is no way that Namath should be in. And you can say that about many players. And I get Kelly; are his career stats better than Eli’s?
He's been middle of the road in the regular season for much of his career. Has only won a playoff game twice in his career - going all the way both times and beating a favorite in the championship game.
I think it's a toss up. Put a gun to my head and I say yes. But I can see why others would argue against it.
Many here will argue that he hasn't had the best supporting cast and will bitch about Reese not putting an OL in front of him. Fine. But that isn't how HOF players are judged.
I agree with your take. I think he gets in. But I don't think it's a lock.
You’re in or not based more on sentiment than suitability. As with anything that is done by a vote. Objectively, there is no way that Namath should be in. And you can say that about many players. And I get Kelly; are his career stats better than Eli’s?
It’s all arbitrary.
No, not really even close.
Eli is in #6 all time in yards, Neither Jim Kelly or Kurt Warner are in the Top 20.
Eli is #8 all time in TD's, Neither Jim Kelly or Kurt Warner are in the Top 20.
Eli is #6 in completions all time, Neither Jim Kelly or Kurt Warner are in the Top 20.
Eli is #15 in INT's all time (tied with Drew Brees), Kelly is 41 and Warner is 81
Eli is 4th in current QBs with a 4th Quarter comeback (30 wins or more), 8th overall. Eli has 30, Kurt only 9. Kurt tied for 131 with (mike drop) Colin Kaepernick.
Fuck all if Eli shouldn’t be enshrined in the HOF just for being so darn unappreciated. “Look kids, he’s Eli Manning, Most Under Appreciated Champion of All Time”.
I’m sorry, but every objective measure points to Eli being a slam dunk which is why I get so irked by dingleberries like Warner saying he’s “borderline”.
As of right now - NO.
Possibly he gets in on one of the old player exemptions, Jerry Kramer just got in, he was the "star" OL for Lombardi.
If Eli takes leadership of Giants and leads them to another Super Bowl - Then YES
basically made his HoF resume in a 3 years span leading the Greatest Show on Earth, and likely only is in the HoF for his Super Bowl win, which elevated the status of that group.
He played 16 games only 3 times in his career.
He had a very short, yet highly successful run. If he's deserving of the hall and Eli isn't then I don't have a logical explanation on how that would be.
I agree with you, however don’t forget Warner was also a two-time NFL MVP and passing leader for one year, in addition to his other accolades. I think it’s clear most, better then 90%, of HoFers interviewed think he gets in. Unfortunately, they’re not the ones voting him in!
If you look at his peers - particularly Rivers and Ben - they have consistently been surrounded by all pro/pro bowl talent. Far more talent than Manning has ever had. Ben in particular.
Questioning this logic
k-five : 7:06 pm : link : reply
Warner was lucky to get in the HoF with 2 league-wide MVPs but Eli is a definite HoF with 2 Super Bowl MVPs
I said Warner had a very successful, yet brief period where he excelled. He deserved to be in the Hall. So does Eli.
I didn't say Warner was lucky. I said if he's in, Eli definitely should be in.
I am not a Warner fan, but what he said in that article Â
If you look at his peers - particularly Rivers and Ben - they have consistently been surrounded by all pro/pro bowl talent. Far more talent than Manning has ever had. Ben in particular.
I don't agree with this. Eli has played with a lot of great players over the years. He has had a bad o-line and running game for years now. But from 2005-2010 the Giants had a very good to great o-line and run game. He has also played with some great players like Tiki, Plax, Shockey, Toomer, Jacobs, Bradshaw, Nicks, Cruz, and above all Odell Beckham.
I think it's a toss up. Put a gun to my head and I say yes. But I can see why others would argue against it.
Many here will argue that he hasn't had the best supporting cast and will bitch about Reese not putting an OL in front of him. Fine. But that isn't how HOF players are judged.
It’s all arbitrary.
This is the last line of his answer -
"I think that’s probably what puts him over the top and gets him into the Hall of Fame."
I think it's a toss up. Put a gun to my head and I say yes. But I can see why others would argue against it.
Many here will argue that he hasn't had the best supporting cast and will bitch about Reese not putting an OL in front of him. Fine. But that isn't how HOF players are judged.
I agree with your take. I think he gets in. But I don't think it's a lock.
I would vote for him if I had a vote, though.
It’s all arbitrary.
No, not really even close.
Eli is in #6 all time in yards, Neither Jim Kelly or Kurt Warner are in the Top 20.
Eli is #8 all time in TD's, Neither Jim Kelly or Kurt Warner are in the Top 20.
Eli is #6 in completions all time, Neither Jim Kelly or Kurt Warner are in the Top 20.
Eli is #15 in INT's all time (tied with Drew Brees), Kelly is 41 and Warner is 81
The rest you can read...
NFL 4th Quarter Comebacks... - ( New Window )
but many HOF voters will simply ask themselves if Eli belongs in the same class as the other HOF QB's and then fit the argument to their decision.
honestly, one could argue Eli out of the HOF if they wanted to (which I do not)
I’m sorry, but every objective measure points to Eli being a slam dunk which is why I get so irked by dingleberries like Warner saying he’s “borderline”.
Possibly he gets in on one of the old player exemptions, Jerry Kramer just got in, he was the "star" OL for Lombardi.
If Eli takes leadership of Giants and leads them to another Super Bowl - Then YES
Although, since Warner is in. Who knows
He played 16 games only 3 times in his career.
He had a very short, yet highly successful run. If he's deserving of the hall and Eli isn't then I don't have a logical explanation on how that would be.
I agree with you, however don’t forget Warner was also a two-time NFL MVP and passing leader for one year, in addition to his other accolades. I think it’s clear most, better then 90%, of HoFers interviewed think he gets in. Unfortunately, they’re not the ones voting him in!
k-five : 7:06 pm : link : reply
Warner was lucky to get in the HoF with 2 league-wide MVPs but Eli is a definite HoF with 2 Super Bowl MVPs
I said Warner had a very successful, yet brief period where he excelled. He deserved to be in the Hall. So does Eli.
I didn't say Warner was lucky. I said if he's in, Eli definitely should be in.
I don't agree with this. Eli has played with a lot of great players over the years. He has had a bad o-line and running game for years now. But from 2005-2010 the Giants had a very good to great o-line and run game. He has also played with some great players like Tiki, Plax, Shockey, Toomer, Jacobs, Bradshaw, Nicks, Cruz, and above all Odell Beckham.