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McDaniel's Agent, Bob Lamonte, Thinks He Made A Big Mistake

gidiefor : Mod : 2/7/2018 11:34 am
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McDaniels’ agent, Bob Lamonte, told McDaniels this could be the biggest professional mistake of his life, NFL Network reported Wednesday morning. Lamonte is also the agent for Colts GM Chris Ballard, so the 11th-hour heel turn devastated McDaniels’ own agent for multiple reasons.

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The thing about McDaniel...  
DonQuixote : 2/7/2018 8:53 pm : link
I don't now anything about the guy, I've never met him. I cannot evaluate his qualities as a coach.

I read the newspapers ... and from a tidbit here and a quote there ... I get the sense he is a major league asshole.
RE: Seriously guys, in the land of the free, criticizing a guy  
1st and 10 : 2/8/2018 8:09 am : link
In comment 13825330 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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for making such a decision. Would you want to work for Jim Irsay in a situation where your franchise QB may never play football again, at least not at QB?

Look, who knows if he made the right decision but he has the right, until he puts his name on the contract, to do whatever he likes. It's hard to understand how a society that promotes free will etc and the ability to do what you want criticizes a guy for staying where he is.

No one knows his personal situation...maybe he decided he didn't want to pull his kids out of school, maybe they were settled there socially and his wife didn't want to move. There could be a myriad of reasons. I think the question should be more on Indy for focusing on just one guy.


All that is fine and he does have the right to change his mind, but it is still a dick move. He should have known prior to interviewing that he did not want to work for Irsay, he should have spoken to his wife about the move. Are you telling me his wife had no idea for 3 weeks that she was moving there? BS. It was a dick move, plain and simple.
This is a quite..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/8/2018 8:16 am : link
ironic quote:

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At the end of the day......a happy wife makes for a happy life. LOL


Maybe Broncos and Colts players are the only ones trying to bang McDaniels wife and she's perfectly safe in NE??
If you have concerns then fine, look into them and decide  
PatersonPlank : 2/8/2018 9:21 am : link
before you sign something. Once you sign its on you. The Colts did nothing wrong here, McDaniel is an idiot.
One thing a few of you are not getting  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/8/2018 10:02 am : link
is the Old Boy Network that is the NFL ---

How many Head Coaches were known to be going to other teams while they were in the midst of a playoff run and really not able to talk about another job

In management, in that industry, your word is understood to be your bond. It's incredible when you think about it -- Lamonte tossed a huge payday to separate himself from McDaniels because of this.

McDaniels has no options or leverage in the NFL anymore -- he either does what Kraft says or he's screwed. He gave up his integrity and any opportunity to go anywhere else in the NFL with the way he handled this. He is now officially a high-paid water boy. What happens when Belichick leaves the Pats and McDaniels craps out? or if Kraft changes his mind about him -- he is on an iceberg.
RE: One thing a few of you are not getting  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13826230 gidiefor said:
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is the Old Boy Network that is the NFL ---

How many Head Coaches were known to be going to other teams while they were in the midst of a playoff run and really not able to talk about another job

In management, in that industry, your word is understood to be your bond. It's incredible when you think about it -- Lamonte tossed a huge payday to separate himself from McDaniels because of this.

McDaniels has no options or leverage in the NFL anymore -- he either does what Kraft says or he's screwed. He gave up his integrity and any opportunity to go anywhere else in the NFL with the way he handled this. He is now officially a high-paid water boy. What happens when Belichick leaves the Pats and McDaniels craps out? or if Kraft changes his mind about him -- he is on an iceberg.


Another possible side effect of this is how other teams will treat the Pats when/if they ever want to interview one of their coaches. I can see quite a few owners being put off by what Kraft did and therefore not working with him when he needs anything.
RE: This is a quite..  
mrvax : 2/8/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13826119 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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ironic quote:



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At the end of the day......a happy wife makes for a happy life. LOL



Maybe Broncos and Colts players are the only ones trying to bang McDaniels wife and she's perfectly safe in NE??


Not with Belichick in town.
RE: RE: McDaniels  
Giantslifer : 2/8/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13825571 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13825556 Giantslifer said:


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Who in their right mind would work for Irsay if they had options?



Apparently he would. Supposedly he "turned down" the Giants (Thank God) for the Colts.

The guy is an asshole.


Imagine this: Kraft, BB, TB and McDaniels all sitting in Kraft's office .
laughing their asses off at the Colts. "Dumbasses released info that he was signed" Rivalry? Our Ass!
Not defending JM  
mako J : 2/8/2018 1:45 pm : link
But if you were already employed as an assistant in the NFL, why would you leave your current job and organization based solely on verbal agreements with JM who wasn't under contract yet?

Unless JM forced those guys to resign before offering them the job, it's their own fault.

Also, I second the notion that the Colts are better off without him.
RE: Not defending JM  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13826588 mako J said:
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But if you were already employed as an assistant in the NFL, why would you leave your current job and organization based solely on verbal agreements with JM who wasn't under contract yet?

Unless JM forced those guys to resign before offering them the job, it's their own fault.

Also, I second the notion that the Colts are better off without him.


It's simple really... because in the history of the league, how many times has this happened? I'm thinking that they believe McDaniels when he contacted them about being on his staff in Indy. They trusted that he'd be going there and since what he did rarely happens in the league, they believed him. I could see you're point if this had happened more than maybe once or twice before (and I can't think of a time it EVER happened before but who knows what goes on behind the scenes in the league) but this caught everyone by surprised. The Colts even announced him as their head coach! Which means they must've had some kind of confirmation that he was coming there.

A better question is to wonder how much of a hit McDaniels' (not to mention Kraft and maybe Belichick) take by this move. I'm sure that many in the coaching (and owners) groups aren't very happy with McDaniels right now and that may hurt them when it comes to him trying to get his own assistants when he's ready to take over. I'm pretty sure he won't be able to call the guys he has stuck in Indy right now lol.
wait, it's the assistants' own fault for taking McDaniels at his word?  
Greg from LI : 2/8/2018 2:00 pm : link
Are you serious?? They get a call from Josh McDaniels, he tells them that he's the new coach of the Colts and offers them a job, they accept....and when he welshes on them and leaves them high and dry, you think they have no one else to blame?

That's a bizarre take.
I mean, how do they know the exact details of his contract negotiation  
Greg from LI : 2/8/2018 2:02 pm : link
"Hey, Josh, it's Coach X here. I'd love to take the job, but first I need a favor from you. Could you fax me a signed copy of your contract?"
I get that this is a unique situation  
mako J : 2/8/2018 2:04 pm : link
Show me an offer sheet, or contract, and then I'll put my notice in. I'm not quitting an already extremely hard to get job just because of a verbal agreement with a guy who wasn't even a Colt yet.
RE: I get that this is a unique situation  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13826635 mako J said:
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Show me an offer sheet, or contract, and then I'll put my notice in. I'm not quitting an already extremely hard to get job just because of a verbal agreement with a guy who wasn't even a Colt yet.


No offense... but you're also not an NFL assistance coach.

If you were, you probably would... or else you run the risk of that coach going with someone else while you wait for him to send you his copy of his contract.
You misunderstood  
mako J : 2/8/2018 3:07 pm : link
Not a copy of JM's contract. That's absurd. The Colts organization sends me a contract or offer, then I'll proceed with placing my notice. JM and I can reach an agreement but JM isn't the one paying my salary. Irsay is.

Do assistant coaches not have agents?  
mako J : 2/8/2018 3:11 pm : link
Clearly not if they're dumb enough to quit their job based on a phone call with a Patriot coach about a Colt position.
Now its being reported  
MetsAreBack : 2/8/2018 3:33 pm : link
that Gronk may be serious with his retirement threats.

I hope he has something in writing from Kraft.
RE: You misunderstood  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13826879 mako J said:
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Not a copy of JM's contract. That's absurd. The Colts organization sends me a contract or offer, then I'll proceed with placing my notice. JM and I can reach an agreement but JM isn't the one paying my salary. Irsay is.


You're correct... I did misunderstand (and maybe still do) because those assistance coaches DID receive a contract from the Colts and are contractually tied to the Colts now WITHOUT the guy who was supposed to be there to be their HC. They're employed. The problem is that they're employed by a team that doesn't have a HC and when they do hire a HC that HC probably won't like having guys another guy hired to be there with him. That's what makes this situation so bad... not that those assistance coaches are unemployed... it's that they are employed but the guy who asked them to go there reneged on his commitment and decided to stay in NE.

I see your point.  
mako J : 2/8/2018 5:40 pm : link
I really need to research the specifics, but I'm assuming these were promotions and not lateral moves right?

This is more like college recruits being burned by vacating coaches then. As 'trel would say, at the end of the day, these coaches have an opportunity to advance their careers by performing under adverse conditions.

Now if Indy releases them when the new coach is hired, shame on Indy and JM.
RE: I see your point.  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 13827114 mako J said:
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I really need to research the specifics, but I'm assuming these were promotions and not lateral moves right?

This is more like college recruits being burned by vacating coaches then. As 'trel would say, at the end of the day, these coaches have an opportunity to advance their careers by performing under adverse conditions.

Now if Indy releases them when the new coach is hired, shame on Indy and JM.


I don’t know if they were lateral moves or promotions. I haven’t looked into this situation that much. All I know is what I told you and that’s as of right now there are some assistant coaches who are now employed by the Colts but are going to be without the man who asked them to be there in the first place. I agree that it’s similar to when college coaches leave a team after recruiting a player and having him commit EXCEPT that that kind of scenario has played out plenty of times in the past so recruits should at least be aware that something like this COULD happen. I’m not sure I’ve ever heard of what happened in the Colts/McDaniels before now. These are people’s LIVES he played with like he did... there’s something very wrong about that.

I disagree though that if the Colts fire those ACs they’re at fault. It’s not their fault McDaniels bailed on them and they can’t... or maybe I should say shouldn’t... expect whoever the new coach is to have to accept them on his staff. What if there are basic philosophical differences between the new HC and the assistants he didn’t ask to be on his staff?
Certainly shouldn't force a coach on a coach  
mako J : 2/8/2018 8:28 pm : link
But whoever gets the job, it's late in the game re: hiring assistants isn't it? I mean drastic philosophical differences notwithstanding, these guys were probably near the top of any potential HC's short list. All this discussion could be moot if the HC keeps them and they succeed. I'm pulling for them.

I'd be interested to see the timing of JM agreeing to terms vs the signing of these assistants. We can agree he messed up, I'm just not as quick to call it malice.
RE: Certainly shouldn't force a coach on a coach  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13827188 mako J said:
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But whoever gets the job, it's late in the game re: hiring assistants isn't it? I mean drastic philosophical differences notwithstanding, these guys were probably near the top of any potential HC's short list. All this discussion could be moot if the HC keeps them and they succeed. I'm pulling for them.

I'd be interested to see the timing of JM agreeing to terms vs the signing of these assistants. We can agree he messed up, I'm just not as quick to call it malice.


‘Malice’ isn’t a word I’m sure I’d use either.

But it was definitely a dick move by him no matter how ya slice it.
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