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Invictus Plan, Who stays and who goes 2018

Giants1956 : 2/7/2018 1:30 pm
A reasonable plan.
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Can't find many faults in the FA plan, except for DRC  
regulator : 2/7/2018 1:35 pm : link
question is, can we replace his level of production for $6.5m or less? As an All-Pro in 2016, and well-liked in the locker room, plus the uncertainty around Eli Apple, I like him as an insurance policy at that number. He's under contract, might as well.

The draft in rounds 2 and higher is awfully optimistic!
I am assuming you are Invictus XI?  
figgy2989 : 2/7/2018 1:43 pm : link
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RE: Can't find many faults in the FA plan, except for DRC  
ajr2456 : 2/7/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13825374 regulator said:
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question is, can we replace his level of production for $6.5m or less? As an All-Pro in 2016, and well-liked in the locker room, plus the uncertainty around Eli Apple, I like him as an insurance policy at that number. He's under contract, might as well.

The draft in rounds 2 and higher is awfully optimistic!


I'd keep DRC as well, reasonable contract for a good player. I wouldn't give Pugh that deal.

Bradham is a guy I really want in FA.
I don't agree with every move  
AcesUp : 2/7/2018 2:02 pm : link
But that was an interesting and well thought out plan. Thanks for sharing.
That is a very solid FA  
Jay on the Island : 2/7/2018 2:06 pm : link
I just don't think they should spend that money on Pugh. I think they need to save money to extend either Beckham or Collins and then sign the other next off-season when Eli's cap savings will be beneficial to cutting him. While I prefer Darnold to Rosen that is solely because of health concerns. If Rosen was as healthy as Darnold he would be my top choice for the #2 pick. I love Isaiah Wynn in round 2 but I can fully get behind a LT like Okorafor especially if they get Wyatt Heller later. A potential line of
LT Okorafor/Wheeler
LG Filo/Heller
C Jones/Halapio
RG Fluker/Dunker
RT Flowers
Really Like The Draft  
lax counsel : 2/7/2018 2:28 pm : link
If the Giants come away with that top 3, would be very happy.
I like  
jvm52106 : 2/7/2018 2:32 pm : link
this, though Rosen would not be my choice.
What a shitshow of formatting.  
Diver_Down : 2/7/2018 2:41 pm : link
I only read up to the point of Eli's cap numbers. Can't be bothered to parse the information if the author can't be bothered to code a table with HTML. For the record, I know all of Eli's numbers as I've been trumpeting them for some time. I just think the author is lazy for not making the effort so I decided not to make the effort to read that shit.
RE: RE: Can't find many faults in the FA plan, except for DRC  
Peppers : 2/7/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13825409 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 13825374 regulator said:


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question is, can we replace his level of production for $6.5m or less? As an All-Pro in 2016, and well-liked in the locker room, plus the uncertainty around Eli Apple, I like him as an insurance policy at that number. He's under contract, might as well.

The draft in rounds 2 and higher is awfully optimistic!



I'd keep DRC as well, reasonable contract for a good player. I wouldn't give Pugh that deal.

Bradham is a guy I really want in FA.


I agree.

DRC is a solid contributor. There's a place for him here.

Just to add, judging Pugh off his comments I don't think he wants to be here anyway.


RE: That is a very solid FA  
Bigdaddytexasguns : 2/7/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13825439 Jay on the Island said:
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I just don't think they should spend that money on Pugh. I think they need to save money to extend either Beckham or Collins and then sign the other next off-season when Eli's cap savings will be beneficial to cutting him. While I prefer Darnold to Rosen that is solely because of health concerns. If Rosen was as healthy as Darnold he would be my top choice for the #2 pick. I love Isaiah Wynn in round 2 but I can fully get behind a LT like Okorafor especially if they get Wyatt Heller later. A potential line of
LT Okorafor/Wheeler
LG Filo/Heller
C Jones/Halapio
RG Fluker/Dunker
RT Flowers


That's a terrible Oline, sorry. Neither a rookie or Wheeler is better than Flowers. Plus I watched tape of Okorafor and he's Flowers negative 2.0, same issues but worse. I haven't seen Haalapio play center and Jones is always injured. Dunker is already 25 and peaked out, he didn't make it and isn't getting much better.
RE: That is a very solid FA  
Bigdaddytexasguns : 2/7/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13825439 Jay on the Island said:
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I just don't think they should spend that money on Pugh. I think they need to save money to extend either Beckham or Collins and then sign the other next off-season when Eli's cap savings will be beneficial to cutting him. While I prefer Darnold to Rosen that is solely because of health concerns. If Rosen was as healthy as Darnold he would be my top choice for the #2 pick. I love Isaiah Wynn in round 2 but I can fully get behind a LT like Okorafor especially if they get Wyatt Heller later. A potential line of
LT Okorafor/Wheeler
LG Filo/Heller
C Jones/Halapio
RG Fluker/Dunker
RT Flowers


That's a terrible Oline, sorry. Neither a rookie or Wheeler is better than Flowers. Plus I watched tape of Okorafor and he's Flowers negative 2.0, same issues but worse. I haven't seen Haalapio play center and Jones is always injured. Dunker is already 25 and peaked out, he didn't make it and isn't getting much better.
DRC barely played in the last game  
Rjanyg : 2/7/2018 3:02 pm : link
Cockrell and Dixon were the starters.

You don't pay $6.5 Million for a part time player.
I would love to get  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/7/2018 3:12 pm : link
Teller in the 4th. He is going to be a steal at Guard in the draft.
RE: RE: That is a very solid FA  
jvm52106 : 2/7/2018 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13825550 Bigdaddytexasguns said:
[quote] In comment 13825439 Jay on the Island said:


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I just don't think they should spend that money on Pugh. I think they need to save money to extend either Beckham or Collins and then sign the other next off-season when Eli's cap savings will be beneficial to cutting him. While I prefer Darnold to Rosen that is solely because of health concerns. If Rosen was as healthy as Darnold he would be my top choice for the #2 pick. I love Isaiah Wynn in round 2 but I can fully get behind a LT like Okorafor especially if they get Wyatt Heller later. A potential line of
LT Okorafor/Wheeler
LG Filo/Heller
C Jones/Halapio
RG Fluker/Dunker
RT Flowers



That's a terrible Oline, sorry. Neither a rookie or Wheeler is better than Flowers. Plus I watched tape of Okorafor and he's Flowers negative 2.0, same issues but worse. I haven't seen Haalapio play center and Jones is always injured. Dunker is already 25 and peaked out, he didn't make it and isn't getting much better. [/quote

Flowers is awful... Seriously awful.. Not sure what it takes for some people to see just how friggin bad he is...
meh  
Jerry K : 2/7/2018 3:28 pm : link
I don't think so much of Goodson and Adams to label them "core." I wouldn't draft Rosen and, I know it's difficult but I don't think Invictus does enough for our offensive line.
RE: RE: That is a very solid FA  
Jay on the Island : 2/7/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13825551 Bigdaddytexasguns said:
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In comment 13825439 Jay on the Island said:


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I just don't think they should spend that money on Pugh. I think they need to save money to extend either Beckham or Collins and then sign the other next off-season when Eli's cap savings will be beneficial to cutting him. While I prefer Darnold to Rosen that is solely because of health concerns. If Rosen was as healthy as Darnold he would be my top choice for the #2 pick. I love Isaiah Wynn in round 2 but I can fully get behind a LT like Okorafor especially if they get Wyatt Heller later. A potential line of
LT Okorafor/Wheeler
LG Filo/Heller
C Jones/Halapio
RG Fluker/Dunker
RT Flowers



That's a terrible Oline, sorry. Neither a rookie or Wheeler is better than Flowers. Plus I watched tape of Okorafor and he's Flowers negative 2.0, same issues but worse. I haven't seen Haalapio play center and Jones is always injured. Dunker is already 25 and peaked out, he didn't make it and isn't getting much better.

I love when people say they watch tape. Where did you get this "tape from?" Youtube highlights is not the same as watching tape.
RE: RE: That is a very solid FA  
NYBEN1963 : 2/7/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13825551 Bigdaddytexasguns said:
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In comment 13825439 Jay on the Island said:


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I just don't think they should spend that money on Pugh. I think they need to save money to extend either Beckham or Collins and then sign the other next off-season when Eli's cap savings will be beneficial to cutting him. While I prefer Darnold to Rosen that is solely because of health concerns. If Rosen was as healthy as Darnold he would be my top choice for the #2 pick. I love Isaiah Wynn in round 2 but I can fully get behind a LT like Okorafor especially if they get Wyatt Heller later. A potential line of
LT Okorafor/Wheeler
LG Filo/Heller
C Jones/Halapio
RG Fluker/Dunker
RT Flowers



That's a terrible Oline, sorry. Neither a rookie or Wheeler is better than Flowers. Plus I watched tape of Okorafor and he's Flowers negative 2.0, same issues but worse. I haven't seen Haalapio play center and Jones is always injured. Dunker is already 25 and peaked out, he didn't make it and isn't getting much better.


Jones is not always injured I'm not sure where that came from
Very idealistic and optimistic  
idiotsavant : 2/7/2018 4:43 pm : link
You laid out some good principles without nodding much to reality as far as an actual team on game day.

Then..Avery Moss is core? Wuchu smoking. Maybe. But not seen that yet. For example.
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Toth029 : 2/7/2018 4:57 pm : link
Not big on paying Gaines to a deal like that. Nor paying Pugh. I don't think his OL plan is a fix or makes the offense much better. Huge question marks at tackle spots.

He also has Okafor and Kennard getting paid but all while having Vernon and JPP.
RE: Very idealistic and optimistic  
Jay on the Island : 2/7/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13825754 idiotsavant said:
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You laid out some good principles without nodding much to reality as far as an actual team on game day.

Then..Avery Moss is core? Wuchu smoking. Maybe. But not seen that yet. For example.

Jones missed his entire first season on IR. He was injured last year during his first start and missed several games IIRC. He was also injured once this season.
There are kids on this team who may  
idiotsavant : 2/7/2018 6:00 pm : link
Thrive with new coaching (Adams?, D.T.? others)...and those who may be seen as core but who won't be (goodson?Casillas?)

It's a nicely presented plan. But you know what they say about plans.
Pretty  
AcidTest : 2/7/2018 6:19 pm : link
well thought out. Good job. Very detailed.
I predict Marshall takes a pay cut and sticks.  
DonQuixote : 2/7/2018 9:45 pm : link
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Okorafor, OT  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 2/8/2018 7:57 am : link
From what I've read, he is not a tough, mean SOB of an OT. DG wants tough, mean, nasty OL. I don't see him picking this kid. Some scouts have described him as soft.

I really like the selections of Rosen and Chubb.
Article About Potential Giant Cuts  
Giants1956 : 2/8/2018 1:32 pm : link
I think the Giants try to be fair
with their FA signings.....if it's possible.
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There has been  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/8/2018 1:40 pm : link
some speculation that DEC could be our FS next year.

You can play him at FS, CB, Nickel. With the uncertainty surrounding Apple, and with Thompson still a question mark I would let him play out his deal.
*DRC  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/8/2018 1:41 pm : link
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I would love Chubb in rd 3  
Sonic Youth : 2/8/2018 1:42 pm : link
Dude is an absolute stud.
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