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the KP injury ruining not just this but next season too. Then they take a cheap, cost controlled young big and deal him off for essentially nothing.

The combo of all this (most notably every season of KPs career thru next season will be seasons with records 20+ games < 0.500) increases the likelihood he makes a $ sacrifice to bolt when FA comes up.

No reason to release Bryant that quickly

In comment 13826124 nygiants16 said:

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Perry said the trade "was all about the draft picks" Someone needs to tell him he can use Dolan's $$$ to buy #2's instead of giving away a 23 year old w/potential when,because of the coach,his trade value was extremely low. He also said they'll be playing the younger kids to "move toward the future". When did 23 become old?

If Perry is able to secure more #2's,I'm sure we'll be able to move some vets today. SMH

Incredible game last night and great game winner by Lebron. Cavs fans anger should be directed at one guy- Dan Gilbert. He�s wasting a year of his Prime with this shit roster and possibly forcing him to leave. Either way it was a very entertaining game.

It seems there are many more sellers than buyers and the Knicks really don't have much to offer other than their first round picks (should be totally off-limits).

While Lee is a competent player, he is overpaid. And with Willie gone, and KP down, I'd assume O'Quinn is here for the balance of the year.

Somehow, the front office has to dictate to the Coach that developing young players is the number one goal (aka, lose as much as possible).

is definitely not overpaid

They�ve tried to appease king lebron and he still left and left them in a brutal situation. They are smart not doing it again knowing ledouche is gonna go run to an easier situation.

Great game last night, Butler vs Lebron was gold. Anyone pay attention to thomas last night late in the game? He looked frustrated as he just watched lebron play 1 on 5. He�s a terrible fit next to lebron.

In today's market, they got a decent haul. No one is trading first round picks. GMs are finally realizing they are worth holding on to.

They clearly also wanted to free up the roster spot. It seems to me that we have to consider the possibility that the organization has moved Kornet ahead of Willy, mainly because Kornet is a modern big man, while Willy is more of an old school big. Time will tell if the Knicks were right about that.

Going to be hard to trade Lee today as Avery Bradley and Rodney Hood are more coveted.

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In today's market, they got a decent haul. No one is trading first round picks. GMs are finally realizing they are worth holding on to. They clearly also wanted to free up the roster spot. It seems to me that we have to consider the possibility that the organization has moved Kornet ahead of Willy, mainly because Kornet is a modern big man, while Willy is more of an old school big. Time will tell if the Knicks were right about that.

GMs buy #2's on draft night They gave Willy away at his lowest value(Thanks to Hornacek)!

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They�ve tried to appease king lebron and he still left and left them in a brutal situation. They are smart not doing it again knowing ledouche is gonna go run to an easier situation. Great game last night, Butler vs Lebron was gold. Anyone pay attention to thomas last night late in the game? He looked frustrated as he just watched lebron play 1 on 5. He�s a terrible fit next to lebron.

Isiah is the problem with that team. They traded a top 10 player for a guy whos broken down and can't guard anyone in the NBA. He gets attacked every possession. And he's causing locker room problems. That trade is an all time steal for the Celtics.

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In comment 13826147 Keith said: Quote: They�ve tried to appease king lebron and he still left and left them in a brutal situation. They are smart not doing it again knowing ledouche is gonna go run to an easier situation. Great game last night, Butler vs Lebron was gold. Anyone pay attention to thomas last night late in the game? He looked frustrated as he just watched lebron play 1 on 5. He�s a terrible fit next to lebron. Isiah is the problem with that team. They traded a top 10 player for a guy whos broken down and can't guard anyone in the NBA. He gets attacked every possession. And he's causing locker room problems. That trade is an all time steal for the Celtics.

And of course Gilbert loves him

trade him to CLE for IT (who is expiring and of no use to anyone), Zizic or Osman (whomever the NYK value more) + a # 2.

Major upgrade for CLE, NYK tank job is helped and they save $$ by getting younger.

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trade him to CLE for IT (who is expiring and of no use to anyone), Zizic or Osman (whomever the NYK value more) + a # 2. Major upgrade for CLE, NYK tank job is helped and they save $$ by getting younger.

Thats a great idea and would definitely do it if I'm both teams. However Gilbert doesn't have the balls to admit his mistake that quickly. But Lee could really help that team.

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trade him to CLE for IT (who is expiring and of no use to anyone), Zizic or Osman (whomever the NYK value more) + a # 2. Major upgrade for CLE, NYK tank job is helped and they save $$ by getting younger.

Don't want IT He'd come to the Knicks looking to prove himself & help win enough games to screw the tank. Trades today should focus on moving vets & getting young players/draft picks in return!

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Assuming the Knicks don�t find a trade for Joakim Noah, opposing executives expect OKC and Minnesota to be among the teams interested in Noah if he�s waived or bought out by the Knicks, per sources. As of earlier this week, Noah remained opposed to a buyout, sources say.


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A note about the availability/value of second-round picks:

During the 2017 NBA draft, the following selections were sold for cash on draft day:
Pick No. 38
Pick No. 39
Pick No. 46
Pick No. 48
Pick No. 52

Two other picks were traded for cash and a future second-round pick.

In comment 13826174 TheMick7 said:

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In comment 13826169 Pep22 said: Quote: trade him to CLE for IT (who is expiring and of no use to anyone), Zizic or Osman (whomever the NYK value more) + a # 2. Major upgrade for CLE, NYK tank job is helped and they save $$ by getting younger. Don't want IT He'd come to the Knicks looking to prove himself & help win enough games to screw the tank. Trades today should focus on moving vets & getting young players/draft picks in return!

NYK could just cut IT. He is not an important piece of this deal for NYK.

gets most of the young stud coach love (deservedly) but Quin Snyder is an excellent coach. I wish the Knicks could find someone like him.

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In comment 13826174 TheMick7 said: Quote: In comment 13826169 Pep22 said: Quote: trade him to CLE for IT (who is expiring and of no use to anyone), Zizic or Osman (whomever the NYK value more) + a # 2. Major upgrade for CLE, NYK tank job is helped and they save $$ by getting younger. Don't want IT He'd come to the Knicks looking to prove himself & help win enough games to screw the tank. Trades today should focus on moving vets & getting young players/draft picks in return! NYK could just cut IT. He is not an important piece of this deal for NYK.

Another #2? Look at what Dan just posted about them! Plus,if they got IT,they wouldn't cut him-Hornacek would be looking to win the NBA Championship! lol

Isn�t horrible, but he is not moving the needle for any of these playoff teams. Additionally no one wants to give up 2019 cap space. I have a feeling all of the big guys with opt outs this year will opt in. Making 2019 arguably the greatest free agent class ever. Sucks to be a knicks fan as usual, hopefully we get lucky and get a top 5 pick this year and then next year is all but gaursnteed a top 5 pick. This is the reason to hold on to Noah. After next year he will be an expiring deal. I have no idea how good the 2019 draftclass is but that pick could be our ticket for a sign and trade to bring in a second max deal. If you can sign Irving oh can then package lottery pick and Noah for a stud. Those 2 players plus zinger and this years pick plus year 3 or frank. Now we are taking about something that could be good.

In comment 13826159 TheMick7 said:

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In comment 13826149 Heisenberg said: Quote: In today's market, they got a decent haul. No one is trading first round picks. GMs are finally realizing they are worth holding on to. They clearly also wanted to free up the roster spot. It seems to me that we have to consider the possibility that the organization has moved Kornet ahead of Willy, mainly because Kornet is a modern big man, while Willy is more of an old school big. Time will tell if the Knicks were right about that. GMs buy #2's on draft night They gave Willy away at his lowest value(Thanks to Hornacek)!

People weren't gonna give us a #1 for Willy regardless of how much they played hi,. Not happening. And it seems clear the the Knicks have soured on the guy. Perhaps they were wrong to do so, but only time will tell if they made a mistake.

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In comment 13826147 Keith said: Quote: They�ve tried to appease king lebron and he still left and left them in a brutal situation. They are smart not doing it again knowing ledouche is gonna go run to an easier situation. Great game last night, Butler vs Lebron was gold. Anyone pay attention to thomas last night late in the game? He looked frustrated as he just watched lebron play 1 on 5. He�s a terrible fit next to lebron. Isiah is the problem with that team. They traded a top 10 player for a guy whos broken down and can't guard anyone in the NBA. He gets attacked every possession. And he's causing locker room problems. That trade is an all time steal for the Celtics.

I agree that Isiah is one of the problems, but lets not act like its all on him. They had major problems when Isiah wasn't even back yet. He's just a bad fit with lebron. Also, I'll give him some time to get back. He doesn't look like he's in great shape and he isn't moving well at all. Def not ready to call it an all time steal, especially when they could have gotten the first pick in the draft.

The Knicks should not trade for him, because Hornacek would use him and Beasley and they would win a few games 140-135.

The Knicks need to win no more than 2-4 games for the rest of the season to get into the top 5 of this draft. It is the only silver lining.

two's are solid throw-ins but they are easy to obtain and the "hit rate" is a lot lower than people think. A recent report followed the outcomes of 2nd rounders from 2001-2015 and found picks 30-35 (first 5 picks of the second round) produced 42 "useful or better" players over 15 drafts (447 total picks) and that's if you are picking with very high 2's. Picks 41-45 for example 23/447. That's not to say they have zero value but people are really overrating them.

The Lakers have been trying trade Randle- and they can't get a #1 for him. Randle is probably better that 2/3 of the Knicks roster.

If the Lakers can't get a #1 for Randle, the Knicks aren't getting anything more than second rounders for ANYONE on their roster.

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The Lakers have been trying trade Randle- and they can't get a #1 for him. Randle is probably better that 2/3 of the Knicks roster. If the Lakers can't get a #1 for Randle, the Knicks aren't getting anything more than second rounders for ANYONE on their roster.

Totally different scenarios. Randle is about to get paid, Willy is dirt cheap, not analogous + the Lakers are inspired to move Randle, the Knicks were under no such pressure. Willy's value was going to go DOWN?

In comment 13826191 Heisenberg said:

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In comment 13826159 TheMick7 said: Quote: In comment 13826149 Heisenberg said: Quote: In today's market, they got a decent haul. No one is trading first round picks. GMs are finally realizing they are worth holding on to. They clearly also wanted to free up the roster spot. It seems to me that we have to consider the possibility that the organization has moved Kornet ahead of Willy, mainly because Kornet is a modern big man, while Willy is more of an old school big. Time will tell if the Knicks were right about that. GMs buy #2's on draft night They gave Willy away at his lowest value(Thanks to Hornacek)! People weren't gonna give us a #1 for Willy regardless of how much they played hi,. Not happening. And it seems clear the the Knicks have soured on the guy. Perhaps they were wrong to do so, but only time will tell if they made a mistake.

If they soured on him,they did so after they acquired Kanter. Willy was one of the poster boys in the off season for the future. I never said they'd get a #1 but by Hornacek not playing him,any value he had before the season (and as someone named to the rookie team, he had value) was non-existent.As Dan posted above,#2's are easy to get,easy to buy so Perry drooling over the fact he was able to get #2's in 2020,2021(to replace the 2 they traded for Willy) was asinine. Tonight,they're down to KOQ at center(if he isn't traded) & a 23 year old w/potential might have been nice to plat tonight & going forward!

He's actually very important to that team, probably more than Isiah actually. Lebron also likes him a lot.

there is no comparison.

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I don�t expect anything to be done today

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Based on recent history, I think we might actually be better off lol. We will all be waiting for us to trade Lee, OQuinn, Jack and they'll end up trading Ntilikina for a future 2nd.

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agree. Maybe KOQ gets sent out for a #2 simply because his deal should be easy to move. Other than that, everyone we're shopping makes too much money to be attractive. Unless they want to dump Beasley as well.

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lol, Noah?

I don't see the Knicks doing anything, just don't think the market is there and who is going to take Noah.

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In comment 13826221 nygiants16 said: Quote: .. lol, Noah?

Going out on a limb

trade that helps the Knicks. Best case scenario is a lateral move, IMO. I'd rather let that d*uche sit on his couch.

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In comment 13826224 Heisenberg said: Quote: In comment 13826221 nygiants16 said: Quote: .. lol, Noah? Going out on a limb

I'll say. I can't imagine a realistic Noah trade that I'd be happy about. If I were in charge, I'd put him on ice and deal with him again in the offseason. No buyout or waiver unless he saves the Knicks money.

but who's playing center behind Kanter? I'm fine with it being Noah, but I doubt the Knicks are, once Hornacek made him go to his room.

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but who's playing center behind Kanter? I'm fine with it being Noah, but I doubt the Knicks are, once Hornacek made him go to his room.

Kornet????

the Hornet.

But Hahn says Willy refused to go to the G-league, and his sense of entitlement rubbed people the wrong way.
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friend was an English tutor while living in Spain, one of his co-workers was Willy's tutor and later actual friend. All off-season he was raving about how hard Willy was working (and the pictures showed a clear change to his body). I don't know any inside information beyond knowing the kid did work his ass off.

wants to keep his job with the Knicks, he knows what he is supposed to say.

for a crap return and then talk about how no other deals were worth it for us.

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But Hahn says Willy refused to go to the G-league, and his sense of entitlement rubbed people the wrong way. Hahn - ( New Window )

The relationship between the player & management/coaching staff goes a long way in how a player responds. Hornacek,despite the calm demeanor he presents publicly,has had run ins w/players in the past. Not giving Willy a pass but he didn't strike me as a kid who would have a "sense of entitlement".There's certainly more to this story than has been reported & now that Willy's gone, this G-league refusal,sense of entitlement story surfaces! Timing is, at the very least,interesting!

It is a shame the way he souled himself out, he used to be a good writer and source of Knicks info. Saying stuff like that about Willy H is just not needed and a plant.

He would have PR people standing behind the camera and if a question was asked or if a player was saying something he didn't want them to say, they'd step in and end the interview. He's a little like Dan Snyder in that everyone he pays, has to say what he wants them to say. This isn't new.

Knicks made Lee available for a late 1st which they hope to flip for elfrid payton

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The Knicks should not trade for him, because Hornacek would use him and Beasley and they would win a few games 140-135. The Knicks need to win no more than 2-4 games for the rest of the season to get into the top 5 of this draft. It is the only silver lining.

Again - the NYK would just cut IT in my scenario.

dont like flipping it for Payton but i dont absolutely hate it. Dont want to pay Payton though, but is someone signing payton as a RFA? Maybe you get him back for another season at the QO and you can see if he has improved.

go past next season but id love to get Clarkson and Nance.



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Lakers are using Larry Nance as a sweetener in deals involving Jordan Clarkson, league sources say. It's unclear which teams have interest, if any. Clarkson is signed through 2019-20 and teams are reluctant to take on pricey long-term contracts.

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dont like flipping it for Payton but i dont absolutely hate it. Dont want to pay Payton though, but is someone signing payton as a RFA? Maybe you get him back for another season at the QO and you can see if he has improved.

Payton has gotten better every single year and his 3 or shooting has improved as well..

If they take noah for Bismarck is do it

we should take it and run, not flip it for an average player who we'll have to overpay as a RFA this summer.

but still, I'd rather keep the pick.

was signed for a couple more years id be fine with it. But i dont want to see us pay him like 4/50 this offseason. Giving up a first for the right to overpay payton in the hopes that he continues to improve is not something i want to do.

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dont like flipping it for Payton but i dont absolutely hate it. Dont want to pay Payton though, but is someone signing payton as a RFA? Maybe you get him back for another season at the QO and you can see if he has improved.

I think it all depends who the first comes from. It�s from a team who will end up picking 25 or lower it could be worth it.

Payton won�t command a ridiculous contract, he�s 23 and potentially better than someone you�d draft at 28 this year.

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was signed for a couple more years id be fine with it. But i dont want to see us pay him like 4/50 this offseason. Giving up a first for the right to overpay payton in the hopes that he continues to improve is not something i want to do.

if we're smart (ha!) I think there will be an opportunity to get guys on good deals this summer - maybe something less than 4/50. Most teams will only have the MLE to throw around. Maybe you can get Payton to stay for 4/36? Because it's the Knicks you know the last year will be a player option. It's also possible a lot of these guys just take the qualifying offer and try their luck next year.

KP needs a new Eurofriend now that Willy's gone.

is quietly having a breakout year... but I'm sorry if they are so hot for him it's not a good sign for the view of Frank. He's now a 2? I mean maybe that's his role but he was sold as a big 1. As a 2 the absolute dream is Tony Allen and that's the extreme high end outcome "best wing defender in the NBA over a near decade"/.

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go past next season but id love to get Clarkson and Nance. Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account @KevinOConnorNBA Follow Follow @KevinOConnorNBA More Lakers are using Larry Nance as a sweetener in deals involving Jordan Clarkson, league sources say. It's unclear which teams have interest, if any. Clarkson is signed through 2019-20 and teams are reluctant to take on pricey long-term contracts.

Unless the Lakers take Kanter I don�t see any contracts the Knicks have that would make the trade doable that don�t go past the Lakers 2019 timeline

In comment 13826294 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 13826273 Italianju said: Quote: go past next season but id love to get Clarkson and Nance. Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account @KevinOConnorNBA Follow Follow @KevinOConnorNBA More Lakers are using Larry Nance as a sweetener in deals involving Jordan Clarkson, league sources say. It's unclear which teams have interest, if any. Clarkson is signed through 2019-20 and teams are reluctant to take on pricey long-term contracts. Unless the Lakers take Kanter I don�t see any contracts the Knicks have that would make the trade doable that don�t go past the Lakers 2019 timeline

Would need to be a three team deal where Clarkson, Nance go to NY, Lee to Cleveland, Shumpert to LA

I don't see the Knicks getting a late first for Lee and if they got it, why flip it for Payton.

This is the problem, the Knicks are too reactionary, never seem to have a plan.

Payton is ok, but not sure he is worth a first rounder.

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is quietly having a breakout year... but I'm sorry if they are so hot for him it's not a good sign for the view of Frank. He's now a 2? I mean maybe that's his role but he was sold as a big 1. As a 2 the absolute dream is Tony Allen and that's the extreme high end outcome "best wing defender in the NBA over a near decade"/.

Frank switching positions isn�t a bad thing, and Frank already shoots more theees per game than Allen ever has and at a better clip. Tony Allen isn�t a fair ceiling.

would prolly need to take Baker unless we want to trade all of our expirings to make it work. KOQ, McDermott, Jack, and Beasley would be enough going out salary.

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is quietly having a breakout year... but I'm sorry if they are so hot for him it's not a good sign for the view of Frank. He's now a 2? I mean maybe that's his role but he was sold as a big 1. As a 2 the absolute dream is Tony Allen and that's the extreme high end outcome "best wing defender in the NBA over a near decade"/.

I read something somewhere that said some in the org think Frank may end up being more of a combo guard, maybe more like an Avery Bradley type?

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is quietly having a breakout year... but I'm sorry if they are so hot for him it's not a good sign for the view of Frank. He's now a 2? I mean maybe that's his role but he was sold as a big 1. As a 2 the absolute dream is Tony Allen and that's the extreme high end outcome "best wing defender in the NBA over a near decade"/.

I was thinking the same thing about Frank, seems awfully quick to give up on him as a 1. Of course, Mills and Perry did not really select him, which is why, firing Phil after the draft was such another poor move.

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player right now but he is already probably a better offensive player then Allen was. He could easily be a Danny Green type player but with better penetration and passing.

I dont have a problem with him moving to the 2 except that we just signed Hardaway for huge money. I dont love the idea of THJR being an undersized 3.

is he a RFA (not a UFA)?

would a haircut be part of the deal (not sure I can tolerate watching that every night)?

if Payton were brought in. Payton and Burke are "Perry guys" and Hardaway is a "Mills guy." Frank's a "Phil guy."

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would prolly need to take Baker unless we want to trade all of our expirings to make it work. KOQ, McDermott, Jack, and Beasley would be enough going out salary.

That works. I�d prefer Randle to Nance I think.

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player right now but he is already probably a better offensive player then Allen was. He could easily be a Danny Green type player but with better penetration and passing. I dont have a problem with him moving to the 2 except that we just signed Hardaway for huge money. I dont love the idea of THJR being an undersized 3.

Well that's the point. It again suggests "welp we will have to figure it out later". Payton/Frank/THjr does not sound like a very successful trio 1-3.

but i dont think you are getting Randle and Clarkson for a bag of basketball. Id be surprised if the Lakers actually pulled the trigger on Clarkson and Nance for a salary dump. Lakers are not exactly being run great right now though so who knows. If given consistent minutes i think Clarkson could be a very good NBA player. The Lakers refuse to give anyone consistent time.

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player right now but he is already probably a better offensive player then Allen was. He could easily be a Danny Green type player but with better penetration and passing. I dont have a problem with him moving to the 2 except that we just signed Hardaway for huge money. I dont love the idea of THJR being an undersized 3.

Some think Frank might grow to 6�7� - 6�8�. If that�s the case he�d be the 3.

In comment 13826304 Heisenberg said:

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In comment 13826293 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is quietly having a breakout year... but I'm sorry if they are so hot for him it's not a good sign for the view of Frank. He's now a 2? I mean maybe that's his role but he was sold as a big 1. As a 2 the absolute dream is Tony Allen and that's the extreme high end outcome "best wing defender in the NBA over a near decade"/. I read something somewhere that said some in the org think Frank may end up being more of a combo guard, maybe more like an Avery Bradley type?

But they have a 2 already, a youngish one. So now he's a backup 1-2? Already?

yeah i agree. Which is why id rather them not get Payton. Was more just saying i think frank coudl be a very good 2. Which of course doesnt fit our need either. That said i think you could go a season with Payton, Frank, and THJR getting enough minutes. And maybe then you make a move to balance out the roster. Maybe all three play well and you can move Payton or Frank for a real asset that helps balance out the roster. But its the Knicks so they will prolly sign a vet PG in the offseason to back up Payton and give Frank 10 minutes a game next season as well.,

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In comment 13826304 Heisenberg said: Quote: In comment 13826293 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is quietly having a breakout year... but I'm sorry if they are so hot for him it's not a good sign for the view of Frank. He's now a 2? I mean maybe that's his role but he was sold as a big 1. As a 2 the absolute dream is Tony Allen and that's the extreme high end outcome "best wing defender in the NBA over a near decade"/. I read something somewhere that said some in the org think Frank may end up being more of a combo guard, maybe more like an Avery Bradley type? But they have a 2 already, a youngish one. So now he's a backup 1-2? Already?

it's not my plan, it's just what I read. But, yeah, I guess? He is gonna develop into whatever he is gonna be. If it's a combo guard, then that's what he is. It's not the worst thing in the world because it gives a smart coach lots of lineup flexibility.

for now. If he develops and earns more time, great. For now, he just doesn't have the skill set to do more. More playing time impacts this less than time spent at the gym honing some NBA caliber skills.

these are the types of trades we will see all day, lol.

If the Knicks got lucky and traded Lee for a first then they better hold on to it. 1st round picks are so valuable in today�s salary cap structure. I know he�s improved but trading for Payton would be a very dumb move. But it�s the Knicks....

any blockbusters today.

That said, I'm curious to see if/where Evans & Jordan land.

Lee for a late 1st

Trade that 1st for Payton (3/$36mm) as a bridge to Ntilikina until he is ready & most importantly, the opportunity to dump Noah for a viable bak-up BIG in Biyumbo

Essentially, its Lee for Payton, same $$. Noah for Biyumbo, same $$$.

trying to get in the Deandre market, but need a third team to facilitate.

so Ujiri can steal our lunch money again.

Cleveland and the Lakers are in talks

Trying to get Kemba Walker and Jonathan Simmons

Which means there should be no posts as once again we do shit.

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so Ujiri can steal our lunch money again.

I'd take on Ibaka if it meant getting a first

to Cleveland

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....unless you're telling me LBJ is en route to LAL next summer

until you see what happens in FA in 2019. LBJ isn't the only player out there. The first round pick is nice too.

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Celtics are the big losers in that trade.

will def help the Cavs be more athletic this season.

I think Isiah was addition by subtraction.

It seems like a decent trade for both teams as trades should be, not like the trades the Knicks make that only help the other team.

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will def help the Cavs be more athletic this season. I think Isiah was addition by subtraction. It seems like a decent trade for both teams as trades should be, not like the trades the Knicks make that only help the other team.

I don't think it solves the Cavs major issues though

the Big Baller Brand

they cant wait around hoping that IT looks like IT at some point this year. The lakers just salary dumping all depends on FA. They just traded two descent young players for the 28th pick in the draft.

Someone is going to get a steal with IT this summer. He is a good player who is playing on injured legs. He should be much closer to himself next year and between the injury and how he has played nobody is going to offer him big money.

Lee to Cleveland for shump and osman is shump and future 2nd

I don't see him as a throw in. Seems like his role is increasing and they think he has real potential. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see them moving Osman, especially as a throw in. hitdog could probably speak more about it....

They're clearly planning a bit for Lebron's departure. Brooklyn pick, Osman, Clarkson, Nance - it's something at least.

The only part of the trade that was curious was Cleveland throwing in a first rounder as the Lakers badly wanted to unload Clarkson's contract.

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They're clearly planning a bit for Lebron's departure. Brooklyn pick, Osman, Clarkson, Nance - it's something at least.

They'll really need to hit a home run on that Brooklyn pick if they keep love around, otherwise they'll be toiling in the teens and be behind on a full rebuild.

They'll basically be the Knicks.

Not sure what kind of value love has anymore, but I'd move him the first chance I got this offseason.

Funny watching these teams build and rebuild over and over again while the Knicks are still trying to get it right ONCE.

The Knicks have a terrible combination of poor decision making and bad luck.

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Funny watching these teams build and rebuild over and over again while the Knicks are still trying to get it right ONCE.

This is really the first time the Knicks have even somewhat attempted a true rebuild.

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Funny watching these teams build and rebuild over and over again while the Knicks are still trying to get it right ONCE.

lol, its sad isnt it. Thats what happens when you rarely draft at the top of the draft. We all say it all the time, the worst place to be is mediocre. We consistently draft in the 8-13 range. The one time we draft early, we get our unicorn, but we need 2 more of those in the next 2 years.

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In comment 13826466 bceagle05 said: Quote: Funny watching these teams build and rebuild over and over again while the Knicks are still trying to get it right ONCE. This is really the first time the Knicks have even somewhat attempted a true rebuild.

Not really true. They've been trying to rebuild for 15 years, just trying the quick fix route. The only other time they tried to rebuild over a few years was the Walsh years. For years we focused on removing salaries so that we could make a run for Lebron. If only Walsh wasn't in that damn wheel chair.

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In comment 13826466 bceagle05 said: Quote: Funny watching these teams build and rebuild over and over again while the Knicks are still trying to get it right ONCE. lol, its sad isnt it. Thats what happens when you rarely draft at the top of the draft. We all say it all the time, the worst place to be is mediocre. We consistently draft in the 8-13 range. The one time we draft early, we get our unicorn, but we need 2 more of those in the next 2 years.

If they did it after the 2000 team was done, maybe we'd have a title.

They'll probably be in a position to pick top 10 next year as well, probably top 5. If they can add say Bagley and Reddish, we're there.

In comment 13826476 Keith said:

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In comment 13826473 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 13826466 bceagle05 said: Quote: Funny watching these teams build and rebuild over and over again while the Knicks are still trying to get it right ONCE. This is really the first time the Knicks have even somewhat attempted a true rebuild. Not really true. They've been trying to rebuild for 15 years, just trying the quick fix route. The only other time they tried to rebuild over a few years was the Walsh years. For years we focused on removing salaries so that we could make a run for Lebron. If only Walsh wasn't in that damn wheel chair.

Hence the phrase a "true rebuild".

They've tried to quick rebuild with vets and going after big fish in free agency, but never a true rip it down to the foundation rebuild.

my bad.

To be fair though, Phil made that impossible with his little spending spree last summer.

to Cleveland

I find that hysterical.

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Hood's a nice piece for the future too - more Lebron insurance.

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All of the CLE execs are on their knees for Lebron.

and not get a pick back?

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Well, sure, but the players they are getting are also younger and decent hedges if he leaves.

this is hysterical

so much for a slow deadline

The whole team is being traded... Lebron next?

Cavs are makin moves. Can the Knicks play? Please.

IT, Frye, Shump, Crowder, Rose, Wade.

This is fun

Hood, Hill, Nance and Clarkson. Yes, they sacrificed their first rounder, but it's an absolute heist. Great, great work by Altman.

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Cavs are makin moves. Can the Knicks play? Please.

The Cavs getting all these guys increases the likely hood of a Lee deal I would think.

Still don't understand how they got him so cheap.

Hill seems like a really good fit as a combo guard who doesn't need to be dominant on the ball, also supposedly a good lockerroom guy. Hood can score and defend. Nance gives them another athlete who can defend in the front court.

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Still don't understand how they got him so cheap.

+1

He's the one guy that isn't them taking on big salary obligations.

You're up next, Kyle O'Quinn.

rumors that his wife had a miscarriage. I doubt they trade LeBron's best friend for a 2nd round pick otherwise.

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Lol

There is nothing they can really do as the difference maker in all this is still Lebron. He is the best player in the world and if these guys compliment him better, they will win the East.

Jazz gave up hood for essentially nothing. I have to think they would have taken willy for hood straight up. Why not take a chance on hood? I know he is restricted but I think he has tremendous upside on both sides of the ball.

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Jazz gave up hood for essentially nothing. I have to think they would have taken willy for hood straight up. Why not take a chance on hood? I know he is restricted but I think he has tremendous upside on both sides of the ball.

Yeah, that is crazy.

I wonder what Miami is thinking there.

I'm waiting for Perry to tweet out bragging about 2 2nd round picks for Willy and Utah getting Derrick Rose for Hood.

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any blockbusters today. That said, I'm curious to see if/where Evans & Jordan land.

Myself now talking to the myself of two hours ago: You're an idiot.

and if UTA got nothing for him then i dont think we should expect a damn thing for Lee.

Im very impressed with CLE. They kept the Nets pick and got 3 youngsters with solid upside for a bunch of garbage vets and the current ghost of Isiah THomas

They have a ton of second rounders, and Dougie's minutes have been greatly reduced. He's a RFA - might be wise to get something for him now.

The Knicks are going to be hip-deep in undersized power forwards from the MWC and third-banana players from P5 schools!

Well I just want Dougie outta here before we match some $40 million RFA offer this summer.

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The Knicks are going to be hip-deep in undersized power forwards from the MWC and third-banana players from P5 schools!

I mean its a lotto ticket, if the Knicks aren't going to resign Mcbuckets(which they shouldn't), then might as well get SOMETHING back.

DISCLAIMER: The Knicks wont be trading anyone, Hornacek needs all the weapons he has for their playoff run! WOOOOOOOO

I'm holding tight to my prediction that the Knicks do absolutely nothing.

Knicks already missed out in my option willy could have been traded for hood straight up rather then the crap that we got. Perry and Mills are morons. Lee should be gone even if it�s just for expirings and nothing else.

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Knicks already missed out in my option willy could have been traded for hood straight up rather then the crap that we got. Perry and Mills are morons. Lee should be gone even if it�s just for expirings and nothing else.

You don't know that Utah had any interest in Willy at all.

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My boy finally comes to the knicks!

shit supporting cast for a good return and the Knicks can't grab anything of modest value for Lee, O'Quinn, McDermott, etc. But I'll save my frustration for 3 p.m.

im fine with getting Mudiay, but we must really hate Frank, lol. I hope we didnt give up anyting. Kid still has some upside.

Mudiay has come to rescue us. Let's grab Hezonja while we're at it - stock up on that draft class.

for Mudiay. I like it

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interesting.

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im fine with getting Mudiay, but we must really hate Frank, lol. I hope we didnt give up anyting. Kid still has some upside.

I dont think it says much about Frank. It's a good low risk move, but I had to assume this means Jack is done.

Mudiay's better than a second rounder or two for Dougie.

Don't need 4 point guards

i liked mcbuckets but i didnt want to sign him for 8-10 mill a year. Mudiay has upside still.

but def worth a shot for McBuckets. Have a few years of him cost controlled to see if we could develop him. He will look solid plastered to our bench behind Jack.

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in the final year of his deal? and an RFA?

going in the Mudiay deal.

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but def worth a shot for McBuckets. Have a few years of him cost controlled to see if we could develop him. He will look solid plastered to our bench behind Jack.

Mudiay has improved, he is shooting 37 percent from 3 this year

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in the final year of his deal? and an RFA?

Has another year

im ok with it. Lets move Jack and lee and give all the guard minutes to Mudiay, Frank, Burke, and THJR.

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Don't need 4 point guards

Traded to Timbuktu Raiders for conditional 17th round pick.

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going in the Mudiay deal.

well of course there is.

and taking about 2.5 3's, but he has improved. Im hopeful and I think its a solid move, but hes been disappointing.

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has regressed if anything --he lost his starting job this season. Still, can't complain at all with this move. McDerment fucking sucked in my view. Not athletic. Decent shooter at times and decent size but he didn't use that size and his shooting was streaky at best. Limited player at best.

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In comment 13826669 Keith said: Quote: but def worth a shot for McBuckets. Have a few years of him cost controlled to see if we could develop him. He will look solid plastered to our bench behind Jack. Mudiay has improved, he is shooting 37 percent from 3 this year

That's interesting and good to see.

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Don't worry... we're going to trade Frank for 2 second rounders next year.

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It's actually a pick swap. We give them Clippers second this year, we get Portlands second

bit back in the second round

so I guess I should take back my statement that he has regressed.

36% year 1
37% year 2
40% year 3

32% 3pt
31% 3pt
37% 3pt


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has regressed if anything --he lost his starting job this season. Still, can't complain at all with this move. McDerment fucking sucked in my view. Not athletic. Decent shooter at times and decent size but he didn't use that size and his shooting was streaky at best. Limited player at best.

Getting a 21 year old guy who is athletic and might be helped with a change for a guy who you weren't bringing back is good.

Mudiay gives me a reason to watch.

and he's actually pretty athletic.

are gone there should be plenty of minutes for Mudiay, Frank, and Burke. Both Mudiay and Frank can play some 2. Now if we still have Lee or Hornacek does hornacek stuff and plays Ron Baker then minutes could be tricky, but id give the kids a chance.

Mudiay is one of those guys that everyone said is Raw and will need a couple years to develop (like Frank) and then when he struggled the first couple seasons everyone says "HE SUCKS". I never get that, ha.

is out for the year.

With one of the three young PGs.

Wanted Frank in a Payton deal

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Isn�t horrible, but he is not moving the needle for any of these playoff teams. Additionally no one wants to give up 2019 cap space. I have a feeling all of the big guys with opt outs this year will opt in. Making 2019 arguably the greatest free agent class ever. Sucks to be a knicks fan as usual, hopefully we get lucky and get a top 5 pick this year and then next year is all but gaursnteed a top 5 pick. This is the reason to hold on to Noah. After next year he will be an expiring deal. I have no idea how good the 2019 draftclass is but that pick could be our ticket for a sign and trade to bring in a second max deal. If you can sign Irving oh can then package lottery pick and Noah for a stud. Those 2 players plus zinger and this years pick plus year 3 or frank. Now we are taking about something that could be good.

2019�s draft class could be really good...Zion, RJ Barrett, Cameron Reddish, Manute Bol�s son

But it better be for a haul.

Hopefully move him draft time or during free agency

for say, Valanciunas and picks, I think they win the east and can threaten GS or Houston in the finals

but I understand that there is no need to trade Lee just to trade him. That being said, if we did trade Lee and Oquinn, the team would be so young that we'd probably have an average age younger than college teams.

gets some released BIG i.e. Brook Lopez after the deadline

and I think they did plenty today to put them back in the driver's seat of the conference

to Suns for their # 2 pick in 2018

the Bulls #2 for Payton. I guess they preferred Mudiay (and the extra year of control).

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But it better be for a haul.

Wait, you didn't even want him to be drafted. Why should he be worth a haul now?

makes no sense. That said if guys like Evans and Payton are only returning seconds then maybe we couldnt even get that for KOQ.

Cause I wanted DSJ or Mitchell over him? Still do. But he is young and controlled so he is worth something.

says KOQ and Lee will remain Knicks

KOQ and Jack. Nothing against them but i want to see the kids play. I guess if you keep KOQ i wont care since i dont care about Kornet or Hicks, lol.

we traded a 26 and 23 year old for a 21 year old. I mean we did get younger i guess.

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we traded a 26 and 23 year old for a 21 year old. I mean we did get younger i guess.

Well the 26 year old they probably felt was not here for the long haul...

My hope though is hornacek benches jack, no reason for him to play now...

You have a 19 year old point, 21 year old point and 23 year old point

We are all going to explode tonight when O'Quinn, Thomas, Jack and Lee play big minutes.

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Teams had expressed interest in Courtney Lee & Kyle O'Quinn but evidently didn�t offer NYK enough. The club was looking to get a young athlete and did so in obtaining Emmanuel Mudiay. Now, Knicks have to figure out their guard rotation and how to handle the Joakim Noah situation

If Hornacek had a sense of humor he would play jack 48 minutes and then run home to see #KnicksTape reaction on twitter

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In comment 13826867 DanMetroMan said: Quote: says KOQ and Lee will remain Knicks Ian Begley Quote: Teams had expressed interest in Courtney Lee & Kyle O'Quinn but evidently didn�t offer NYK enough. The club was looking to get a young athlete and did so in obtaining Emmanuel Mudiay. Now, Knicks have to figure out their guard rotation and how to handle the Joakim Noah situation

What does not enough for Kyle O'Quinn exactly equate too?

a hell of an athletic young back court for Knicks.

now how much will there be this summer. He might be resignable to a cap friendly deal. He�s a good backup and still pretty young. Lee�s age works against him and Jack has no trade value. I would like to know more about the Hernangomez situation. Smells more like a non basketball deal to me. They have him as a core guy in the off season. Then he�s out of the rotation after camp citing defensive effort and hustle but still saying he would get his chance that he had to work hard. Fast forward 4 months and he�s shipped to a dead end situation with reports he didn�t �get the message� wouldn�t got to the D league to work on his game. How much of this is true how much BS?

they wanted young players in return. I can understand why they don't want too many picks because of the new NBA rule where you can no longer package picks together to move up in the round.

and let him latch on with a contender. Or just go away. Too many guards. I can't kill them for not moving Lee - there were cheaper wings on the market. But I figured they could at least get a decent #2 for KOQ.

Sounds like they were gonna trade Willy or KOQ - I guess they traded Willy because he got them two second rounders instead of one? That�s ridiculous. You keep the younger guywho�s locked in at a cheap rate. Now they�ll lose KOQ for nothing this summer.

Together in the backcourt. I like the idea let�s see if dumb ass Hornacek actually does rhis. If Jack gets any significant minutes Perry should can his ass. Take these two, Burke and THJ and you�ve got 4 young guys to develop into a good backcourt. That HAS to be the team�s focus the rest of this year. Then draft a Big Time 3 and figure out what to do with Kanter.

Two seconds for Tyreke Evans. Knicks got that for Hernangomez. Weird market.

is a low cost 23 years old with potential that makes nothing. Evans is a 28 year old rental. Apples and Oranges.

I hope Perry and mills have this sit down after mudiay arrives

He could help a contender. I'd release him and let him latch on somewhere else.

cut Jack. I get keeping KOQ since we have very little front court depth at this point. Although there will be some more players that shake loose that could be worth a look. Not the vets that get cut and look to go to a contender, but the players that those contenders cut. haha

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i see no reason why he wont be ready in 3 days.

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is a low cost 23 years old with potential that makes nothing. Evans is a 28 year old rental. Apples and Oranges.

Evans can help a contender now.

this year. I guess I agree with your point though, weird trade deadline.

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i see no reason why he wont be ready in 3 days.

Probably not, jack will still be starter

Maybe Beasley starts over Lance - MAYBE.

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Two seconds for Tyreke Evans. Knicks got that for Hernangomez. Weird market.

This isn't true. Reports were multiple teams offered 2 second round picks. No team wanted to give up a 1st.

The problem with Lee was his age and length of contract. The Sixers would have been a good match with all their extra picks but they weren't taking the long term money on.

I'm surprised the Thunder didn't make a move for Bradley. He was a perfect 5th guy for them.

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Maybe Beasley starts over Lance - MAYBE.

Beasley is going to start at the 4.