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Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/8/2018 10:19 am
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Source tells @sportingnews that Kevin Stefanski will be either @vikings or @giants offensive coordinator.
Vikings could promote Kevin Stefanski to OC, play keep-away with Giants' top target - ( New Window )
Either daylight or dark  
ZogZerg : 2/8/2018 10:20 am : link
outside....
can they be dicks and  
superspynyg : 2/8/2018 10:23 am : link
hire Deflippo as OC and refuse to let Stefanski out of his contract?
RE: can they be dicks and  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/8/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13826266 superspynyg said:
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hire Deflippo as OC and refuse to let Stefanski out of his contract?


Not for a promotion.
maybe..  
bLiTz 2k : 2/8/2018 10:26 am : link
If thereís one thing the Nfl needs to completely revisit aside from the catch rule itís the rules around coaching hires.

Priority 1 is to allow coaches to sign a futures contract with a. ew team before the season ends..this is a no brainer.

Priority 2 is to add Coordinator as a promotional tier. It just makes sense and can prevent guys from getting an opportunity unless their current team isnít a bunch of dicks, and the stars align.
RE: RE: can they be dicks and  
MookGiants : 2/8/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13826269 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13826266 superspynyg said:


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hire Deflippo as OC and refuse to let Stefanski out of his contract?



Not for a promotion.


They can block Stefanski going to Giants. Unlikely they would, but they can.

QB coach to OC is not considered a promotion. DeFillippo was blocked last year from interviewing with the Jets
Hard to believe he would choose the Giants over the Vikings.  
Brown Recluse : 2/8/2018 10:30 am : link
Except for the obvious fact the Giants are a dream job for any coach or player. Just ask Belichick.
NFL should define the coaching ranks...  
Chris684 : 2/8/2018 10:32 am : link
Head Coach

OC/DC or Position coach WITH Asst HC title attached

OC/DC

Position coach

Teams can block lateral moves only, not promotions.
RE: RE: can they be dicks and  
jlukes : 2/8/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13826269 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13826266 superspynyg said:


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hire Deflippo as OC and refuse to let Stefanski out of his contract?



Not for a promotion.


False - teams only have no right to refuse if it is for a HC job. Teams can block position coaches from being interviewed for coordinator positions. They usually don't, but they can.

Eagles blocked Difilippo last year.
Your gonna stivkie and either or thread?  
idiotsavant : 2/8/2018 10:34 am : link
Slipping
The souffle  
DC Gmen Fan : 2/8/2018 10:45 am : link
will either rise...or it won't
At some point  
Mike from Ohio : 2/8/2018 10:50 am : link
a team that will not allow a position coach to interview for a coordinator job will find it harder to land the best coaches. Up and coming coordinators will steer clear of teams with that reputation knowing that their opportunities will be more limited.

As a team, you can block those position coaches from interviewing, but do that too often and you are cutting your own throat.
RE: Hard to believe he would choose the Giants over the Vikings.  
Ron Johnson : 2/8/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 13826283 Brown Recluse said:
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Except for the obvious fact the Giants are a dream job for any coach or player. Just ask Belichick.


if he knows he's the Giants first choice and the Vikings second he might
The Vikings are attractive to an OC  
Jarvis : 2/8/2018 11:07 am : link
because of the autonomy the OC will have. Zimmer is a defensive guy. By nature the OC there will have all offensive play calling responsibilities and likely have more say in offensive game plan. This is different for both the Giants and Eagles where the head coach performs a significant part of the OC responsibilities.

That being said, my guess (just a guess)

Defilippo goes to the Vikings for the above stated reasons.

Staley who seems quite popular in Philly with both the coaches and especially the players gets promoted to OC if Frank Reich goes to Indy. (Apparently it is Staley who gives a lot of the pre-game motivational speeches).

Stefanski to the Giants.
Itís not so black and white between the Vikings and Giants situations.  
bLiTz 2k : 2/8/2018 11:08 am : link
How important are play calling duties? I would think game planning is a larger responsibility than some give credit for and is it really that much of a deal breaker?

Is his relationship with Shurmur better than Zimmer...if they jive well and he thinks they can be successful together as evidenced last year, that could be the deciding factor.

You can argue the Giants (pre FA/Draft) have a more ideal situation to build from with a QB actually under contract, and a higher draft status.

Just playing devils advocate...
Oh what a tangled web  
David B. : 2/8/2018 11:14 am : link
we weave.
RE: Itís not so black and white between the Vikings and Giants situations.  
bluepepper : 2/8/2018 11:17 am : link
In comment 13826345 bLiTz 2k said:
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How important are play calling duties? I would think game planning is a larger responsibility than some give credit for and is it really that much of a deal breaker?

I think it really hurts guys when they're looking for HC jobs. If you're OC but the HC calls the plays, people think it's the HC's offense not yours so you don't get credit. On top of that it's surely less satisfying work to game plan all week but then watch somebody else call the plays on Sunday.
I want staley  
Dankbeerman : 2/8/2018 11:51 am : link
I am a fan of the design of phillys running game. With Shurmer running his offense I would like the running game to be the focus of the OC as we have seen its an area of ingenuity in modern offenses.

Plus let the eagles lose Reich
This was expected  
DonQuixote : 2/8/2018 11:57 am : link
Gravity favors Stephanski as the Vikings OC, but their management may not agree, mistake from my perspective but what do I know.

We may be second fiddle but thatís just fine. I am not sure if Iíd favor the experienced coordinator who demands a larger role or a younger coach on the rise. Shurmur knows all the stakeholders ... itíll work out
good reporting. looks likea 50/50 chance at a sure thing  
Victor in CT : 2/8/2018 12:01 pm : link
:-)
No real news there. But who are 1b etc.?  
Mike in Prescott : 2/8/2018 12:08 pm : link
The question, to me, is who will the second choice be. I would guess that the chips will have to settle in Detroit and Indy before we really know? I am fine with Staley as the fall back is we secure a really good QB coach/passing game coach. Presuming Stefanski, Reich, and DeFilippo find jobs elsewhere, who does BBI favor as the next OC?
RE: Itís not so black and white between the Vikings and Giants situations.  
Rflairr : 2/8/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13826345 bLiTz 2k said:
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How important are play calling duties? I would think game planning is a larger responsibility than some give credit for and is it really that much of a deal breaker?

Is his relationship with Shurmur better than Zimmer...if they jive well and he thinks they can be successful together as evidenced last year, that could be the deciding factor.

You can argue the Giants (pre FA/Draft) have a more ideal situation to build from with a QB actually under contract, and a higher draft status.

Just playing devils advocate...


The play calling variable is probably the only reason he hasnít taken the Giants job. Heís a young guy, probably wants to wait and see if he can get an OC job with that responsibility before taking one without it, And since Shurmur is calling the plays, and itís his offense heís probably in no rush to make the hire. Willing to let it play out
RE: RE: Itís not so black and white between the Vikings and Giants situations.  
Mike in NY : 2/8/2018 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13826452 Rflairr said:
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In comment 13826345 bLiTz 2k said:


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How important are play calling duties? I would think game planning is a larger responsibility than some give credit for and is it really that much of a deal breaker?

Is his relationship with Shurmur better than Zimmer...if they jive well and he thinks they can be successful together as evidenced last year, that could be the deciding factor.

You can argue the Giants (pre FA/Draft) have a more ideal situation to build from with a QB actually under contract, and a higher draft status.

Just playing devils advocate...



The play calling variable is probably the only reason he hasnít taken the Giants job. Heís a young guy, probably wants to wait and see if he can get an OC job with that responsibility before taking one without it, And since Shurmur is calling the plays, and itís his offense heís probably in no rush to make the hire. Willing to let it play out


Being an OC calling the plays also makes it easier to get a HC job. If you aren't calling the plays as a coordinator you basically need to have a top unit, demonstrated progress of that unit with you as coordinator, and nail your interview. If you call the plays it gives you a little more leeway in any one of those areas
RE: Hard to believe he would choose the Giants over the Vikings.  
EricJ : 2/8/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13826283 Brown Recluse said:
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Except for the obvious fact the Giants are a dream job for any coach or player.


I see things like that said here all of the time. I think that is BS. What makes this place the dream job? I don't think it is unless you grew up a Giants fan.
RE: Itís not so black and white between the Vikings and Giants situations.  
RobCarpenter : 2/8/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13826345 bLiTz 2k said:
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Is his relationship with Shurmur better than Zimmer...if they jive well and he thinks they can be successful together as evidenced last year, that could be the deciding factor.



Agree. I think this decision ultimately comes down to who he wants to work with, Shurmur or Zimmer.
"It all comes down to Shurmur or Zimmer."  
Mike in Prescott : 2/8/2018 2:14 pm : link
Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that.
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AcesUp : 2/8/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13826692 Mike in Prescott said:
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Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that.


It's a no-brainer for him from a career standpoint. Be the OC and playcaller for a defensive minded HC? Or be 2nd in command of the offense for an offensive minded HC? Nevermind the fact that he may have a family that he's hesitant about uprooting every couple of years. No-brainer and you shouldn't take it remotely personal as a Giants fan.
Nothing personal, but I wonder who OUR back-up candidates are?  
Mike in Prescott : 2/8/2018 2:43 pm : link
With the strong possibility that DeFlippo and/Reich go to Indy, and Steph stays in Minny (good choice for him), who do we want to see as our OC?
Duce Staley  
AcesUp : 2/8/2018 2:48 pm : link
Is my guess. He has a connection to Shurmer, has paid his dues and is qualified. As has been stated, there is a fit there with Shurmur calling the plays and Duce serving as OC/Run game coordinator. Downside is that we aren't bringing in the QB specialist that they appear to be targeting.
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Blue21 : 2/8/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13826815 AcesUp said:
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Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that.



It's a no-brainer for him from a career standpoint. Be the OC and playcaller for a defensive minded HC? Or be 2nd in command of the offense for an offensive minded HC? Nevermind the fact that he may have a family that he's hesitant about uprooting every couple of years. No-brainer and you shouldn't take it remotely personal as a Giants fan.


Article says Vikings aren't releasing Steph from his contract until DeFillapano interviews with Vikings and they decide to hire him. Sounds like Steph is plan B for them or they unsure until they finish interview process before they determine which one and don't want to lose one of their possible choices. Steph or possibly Defillapano must be choice #1 for Giants if they are willing to wait this long.
LOL  
PaulN : 2/8/2018 3:20 pm : link
This is almost on the comedy level now. Did anyone think that maybe, just maybe, he might not want to move his family if possible. Maybe they only want to move the family if it is a head coaching job. Just maybe the family has a little bit to do with it rather then if he is calling the fucking plays. Holy shit!
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AcesUp : 2/8/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13826852 Blue21 said:
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Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that.



It's a no-brainer for him from a career standpoint. Be the OC and playcaller for a defensive minded HC? Or be 2nd in command of the offense for an offensive minded HC? Nevermind the fact that he may have a family that he's hesitant about uprooting every couple of years. No-brainer and you shouldn't take it remotely personal as a Giants fan.



Article says Vikings aren't releasing Steph from his contract until DeFillapano interviews with Vikings and they decide to hire him. Sounds like Steph is plan B for them or they unsure until they finish interview process before they determine which one and don't want to lose one of their possible choices. Steph or possibly Defillapano must be choice #1 for Giants if they are willing to wait this long.


I understand that. I was referring to Plan C.
RE: LOL  
RobCarpenter : 2/8/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13826907 PaulN said:
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This is almost on the comedy level now. Did anyone think that maybe, just maybe, he might not want to move his family if possible. Maybe they only want to move the family if it is a head coaching job. Just maybe the family has a little bit to do with it rather then if he is calling the fucking plays. Holy shit!


I get not wanting to move your family, but being a NFL coach seems like a really poor job choice if stability in where you live is a high priority for you.
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Gatorade Dunk : 2/8/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13826852 Blue21 said:
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Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that.



It's a no-brainer for him from a career standpoint. Be the OC and playcaller for a defensive minded HC? Or be 2nd in command of the offense for an offensive minded HC? Nevermind the fact that he may have a family that he's hesitant about uprooting every couple of years. No-brainer and you shouldn't take it remotely personal as a Giants fan.



Article says Vikings aren't releasing Steph from his contract until DeFillapano interviews with Vikings and they decide to hire him. Sounds like Steph is plan B for them or they unsure until they finish interview process before they determine which one and don't want to lose one of their possible choices. Steph or possibly Defillapano must be choice #1 for Giants if they are willing to wait this long.

Steph and DeFillapano... interesting. To borrow from the old joke about Terry Bradshaw, BBI couldn't spell CAT if you spotted them the C and the A.
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Blue21 : 2/8/2018 7:07 pm : link
In comment 13827100 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that.



It's a no-brainer for him from a career standpoint. Be the OC and playcaller for a defensive minded HC? Or be 2nd in command of the offense for an offensive minded HC? Nevermind the fact that he may have a family that he's hesitant about uprooting every couple of years. No-brainer and you shouldn't take it remotely personal as a Giants fan.



Article says Vikings aren't releasing Steph from his contract until DeFillapano interviews with Vikings and they decide to hire him. Sounds like Steph is plan B for them or they unsure until they finish interview process before they determine which one and don't want to lose one of their possible choices. Steph or possibly Defillapano must be choice #1 for Giants if they are willing to wait this long.


Steph and DeFillapano... interesting. To borrow from the old joke about Terry Bradshaw, BBI couldn't spell CAT if you spotted them the C and the A.


LOL...I can laugh at myself. I've probably spelled there names wrong every time I've typed them. To be honest I never heard of them until the Giants got Shurmur. I probably got Shurmur wrong too a few times until they hired him. To lazy to keep looking up the correct spelling.
It's the content I worry about more than the spelling.
Some people prefer style,  
Bill L : 2/8/2018 7:20 pm : link
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