First you get a cap friendly five year deal. Second, you don't have to grossly overpay in the free agent market. That is just insane given his body of work.
Also, I should add, the cost of playing Eli next year if we draft a qb is not small, because you lose a year of the cost contain. So Year 2 is the QBs first year and you have to deal with learning curve etc during that season as opposed to season 1. See Carson Wentz
First you get a cap friendly five year deal. Second, you don't have to grossly overpay in the free agent market. That is just insane given his body of work.
Also, I should add, the cost of playing Eli next year if we draft a qb is not small, because you lose a year of the cost contain. So Year 2 is the QBs first year and you have to deal with learning curve etc during that season as opposed to season 1. See Carson Wentz
SF. They have loads of cap room. They were about as bad as us before JG came in and afterward they had a real offense and won some games down the stretch. They have bonus draft picks from trading with Chicago last year.
Given JG's time in NE, and his games in SF, they are taking a gamble that he's the real deal. Now with QB locked up, they can try and load up on talent around him using their cap room and draft picks. I bet they challenge in the NFC West as soon as next year.
SF. They have loads of cap room. They were about as bad as us before JG came in and afterward they had a real offense and won some games down the stretch. They have bonus draft picks from trading with Chicago last year.
Given JG's time in NE, and his games in SF, they are taking a gamble that he's the real deal. Now with QB locked up, they can try and load up on talent around him using their cap room and draft picks. I bet they challenge in the NFC West as soon as next year.
I think he started two or three regular season games in NE
with a counterpoint of "if you already have a franchise QB, that has 2 or so years left in him, this is why you wait and put the other pieces in place instead."
The reasoning is this:
1. What you're paying your experienced veteran QB in the final years of his deal now looks like a bargain compared to that deal.
2. You're not wasting any of the valuable five year rookie window years on your QB sitting on the bench.
3. You have the opportunity to build the team first, then have something to fall back on (solid running game, oline, and defense) to help you win games while the rookie QB is getting acclimated.
what do you pay a guy with a track record? Yikes! Â
How about Smith works with his union and with NFL Rules/Competition Committee to figure out a way so that the market doesnt continue to increasingly allocate cap dollars towards one position on the field.
You pay that kind of money for a guy who has only started 6 NFL games, and he better be the real thing or the team will be in both QB and Cap hell for some time.
not sure how that's relevant, at 41 next year Brady is on the cap for $22M and also $22M for his 42 year old season too.
I doubt at that age he was going to be paid much more anyway.
if any of you can tell me how much money Brady brings in from TB12 you will be the first person to report it that I've seen, since no one I have seen has those numbers.
A lot of wise ass remarks like I am Ninja's but no substance to back it up.
Vikings are not going to give Cousins that deal. Â
Right, Tom Brady gets paid half of that. Sure he does. I mean its all right there in the salary cap figures, so, yes, definitely gets paid that much.
Didn't Brady also take a voluntary pay cut a few years back to help the team's salary cap situation?
He restructured his contract to create space lessening the cap hit in one year in a trade for guarantees the next year, didn't take a pay cut. he actually added $3M to his overall contract.
RE: Vikings are not going to give Cousins that deal. Â
so if he wants more then he will have to go to someplace like Cleveland or Jets.
Cleveland has a better GM now. With all the picks they have, I don't think he would make that kind of deal for Cousins. My friends who are Browns fans, say the team is high on Kizer. If true, I would imagine a vet would be brought in to play the same role Kurt Warner did for the Giants.
with a counterpoint of "if you already have a franchise QB, that has 2 or so years left in him, this is why you wait and put the other pieces in place instead."
The reasoning is this:
1. What you're paying your experienced veteran QB in the final years of his deal now looks like a bargain compared to that deal.
2. You're not wasting any of the valuable five year rookie window years on your QB sitting on the bench.
3. You have the opportunity to build the team first, then have something to fall back on (solid running game, oline, and defense) to help you win games while the rookie QB is getting acclimated.
Britt I understand your point, but respectfully disagree. When you draft you are thinking 2 or 3 years away. And thats potentially when Elis contract will be up and it would be great to have a stud Qb in the wings. You dont know what the draft will bring in subsequent years and right now the strength of the draft is in qBs. So fo you take a blue chip qb prospect now at a draft position the Giants are rarely at, or wait and take uour chances.
No Sound management dictates you take the rare strength of this draft hence you take Qb.
Now i support and love Eli. I also wish the giants could take Chubb the DE who will be a top 10 pick. W/o choice of qb i would want him. But theres no way im passing up taking a rosen or a darnold this. No frikking way.
keep talking about how you have to draft a franchise QB when you have the chance. As if anyone disagrees with that. But in our case it assumes that there is a franchise QB worth drafting at #2.
Rosen. Too many injures.
Allen. Too inaccurate.
Darnold. Maybe. But he has a loopy throwing motion, fumbles, and stares down receivers. And the Browns could easily take him.
As I have said before, Webb does not factor into this calculation. The only question is whether there is a QB worth the #2 pick.
Likely front loaded because in 3 years, if the team keeps up last years season end success, they will have a few guys hitting The Big Contract time.
Cleveland has a ton of cap to blow out also. If they can convince 1-2 bigger names to go there(Norwell?) , other FAs will also drift there for the $$$. Not likely but if they could convince Cousins to go there on a 3 year deal for big $$$ to blow out cap, they could take 2 years to develop Darnold then dump KC.
That contract is going to be the new standard, and a challenge to other teams.
My hope was Mayfield, #2 choice Darnold; neither likely, so a trade down. Now I think Rosen and crossed fingers is almost a required move ( and he scares me).
Now look at all the top ten QB's, and what they're getting on their second contracts, if they're getting one.
I don't think true "Franchise QB's" are found only in the Top 10 anymore. I think they're found all over the draft.
In fact, after watching the Eagles, I'm starting to wonder... What's more important? The QB? Or the system? Did Nick Foles look any worse than Carson Wentz?
I think things are changing. I'm starting to think the model of the Franchise QB is becoming outdated, or at the very least, it's cyclical and returning to strong running games and good defense. The only true, legit franchise QB that I've seen in the past five years has been Luck. But they're not really making em like that anymore.
Right, Tom Brady gets paid half of that. Sure he does. I mean its all right there in the salary cap figures, so, yes, definitely gets paid that much.
Didn't Brady also take a voluntary pay cut a few years back to help the team's salary cap situation?
I’m sure Brady has millions from Kraft sitting in an offshore company. Brady has made Kraft at least a billion. No way Brady isn’t going to get his fair share. Plus, it circumvents the salary cap and avoids taxes. They love cheating.
Now look at all the top ten QB's, and what they're getting on their second contracts, if they're getting one.
I don't think true "Franchise QB's" are found only in the Top 10 anymore. I think they're found all over the draft.
In fact, after watching the Eagles, I'm starting to wonder... What's more important? The QB? Or the system? Did Nick Foles look any worse than Carson Wentz?
I think things are changing. I'm starting to think the model of the Franchise QB is becoming outdated, or at the very least, it's cyclical and returning to strong running games and good defense. The only true, legit franchise QB that I've seen in the past five years has been Luck. But they're not really making em like that anymore.
It gives me pause on QB's at 2.
Britt. The lower drafted QBs are the exception. Not the rule. Brady is an outlier. The guy you love so much now was the first pick in the draft 14 years ago. Two Qbs from the first round of that draft have made multiple Superbowl appearances. The point being that if you have a conviction you go with it. Convention says if the qb prospects are blue chip and you have a shot , you take it.
SF. They have loads of cap room. They were about as bad as us before JG came in and afterward they had a real offense and won some games down the stretch. They have bonus draft picks from trading with Chicago last year.
Given JG's time in NE, and his games in SF, they are taking a gamble that he's the real deal. Now with QB locked up, they can try and load up on talent around him using their cap room and draft picks. I bet they challenge in the NFC West as soon as next year.
they could've tanked the season and gotten the no 2 overall
Right, Tom Brady gets paid half of that. Sure he does. I mean its all right there in the salary cap figures, so, yes, definitely gets paid that much.
Didn't Brady also take a voluntary pay cut a few years back to help the team's salary cap situation?
I’m sure Brady has millions from Kraft sitting in an offshore company. Brady has made Kraft at least a billion. No way Brady isn’t going to get his fair share. Plus, it circumvents the salary cap and avoids taxes. They love cheating.
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Here is the link:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915489/article/niners-sign-jimmy-garoppolo-to-record-5year-contract
Also, I should add, the cost of playing Eli next year if we draft a qb is not small, because you lose a year of the cost contain. So Year 2 is the QBs first year and you have to deal with learning curve etc during that season as opposed to season 1. See Carson Wentz
Also, I should add, the cost of playing Eli next year if we draft a qb is not small, because you lose a year of the cost contain. So Year 2 is the QBs first year and you have to deal with learning curve etc during that season as opposed to season 1. See Carson Wentz
Yes...a very good point!
I think if Cleveland signs Cousins they will entertain trade offers before they draft Barkley, but who knows.
Given JG's time in NE, and his games in SF, they are taking a gamble that he's the real deal. Now with QB locked up, they can try and load up on talent around him using their cap room and draft picks. I bet they challenge in the NFC West as soon as next year.
Given JG's time in NE, and his games in SF, they are taking a gamble that he's the real deal. Now with QB locked up, they can try and load up on talent around him using their cap room and draft picks. I bet they challenge in the NFC West as soon as next year.
I think he started two or three regular season games in NE
He's sure to ask for something close to that, and one of these teams will put that type of money out there.
The reasoning is this:
1. What you're paying your experienced veteran QB in the final years of his deal now looks like a bargain compared to that deal.
2. You're not wasting any of the valuable five year rookie window years on your QB sitting on the bench.
3. You have the opportunity to build the team first, then have something to fall back on (solid running game, oline, and defense) to help you win games while the rookie QB is getting acclimated.
You have other information?
How about Smith works with his union and with NFL Rules/Competition Committee to figure out a way so that the market doesnt continue to increasingly allocate cap dollars towards one position on the field.
Same.
not sure how that's relevant, at 41 next year Brady is on the cap for $22M and also $22M for his 42 year old season too.
I doubt at that age he was going to be paid much more anyway.
if any of you can tell me how much money Brady brings in from TB12 you will be the first person to report it that I've seen, since no one I have seen has those numbers.
A lot of wise ass remarks like I am Ninja's but no substance to back it up.
Probably true.
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Right, Tom Brady gets paid half of that. Sure he does. I mean its all right there in the salary cap figures, so, yes, definitely gets paid that much.
Didn't Brady also take a voluntary pay cut a few years back to help the team's salary cap situation?
He restructured his contract to create space lessening the cap hit in one year in a trade for guarantees the next year, didn't take a pay cut. he actually added $3M to his overall contract.
The reasoning is this:
1. What you're paying your experienced veteran QB in the final years of his deal now looks like a bargain compared to that deal.
2. You're not wasting any of the valuable five year rookie window years on your QB sitting on the bench.
3. You have the opportunity to build the team first, then have something to fall back on (solid running game, oline, and defense) to help you win games while the rookie QB is getting acclimated.
Britt I understand your point, but respectfully disagree. When you draft you are thinking 2 or 3 years away. And thats potentially when Elis contract will be up and it would be great to have a stud Qb in the wings. You dont know what the draft will bring in subsequent years and right now the strength of the draft is in qBs. So fo you take a blue chip qb prospect now at a draft position the Giants are rarely at, or wait and take uour chances.
No Sound management dictates you take the rare strength of this draft hence you take Qb.
Now i support and love Eli. I also wish the giants could take Chubb the DE who will be a top 10 pick. W/o choice of qb i would want him. But theres no way im passing up taking a rosen or a darnold this. No frikking way.
Rosen. Too many injures.
Allen. Too inaccurate.
Darnold. Maybe. But he has a loopy throwing motion, fumbles, and stares down receivers. And the Browns could easily take him.
As I have said before, Webb does not factor into this calculation. The only question is whether there is a QB worth the #2 pick.
No brainer for SF to pay Jimmy. He can play and now they have their guy.
Cleveland has a ton of cap to blow out also. If they can convince 1-2 bigger names to go there(Norwell?) , other FAs will also drift there for the $$$. Not likely but if they could convince Cousins to go there on a 3 year deal for big $$$ to blow out cap, they could take 2 years to develop Darnold then dump KC.
That contract is going to be the new standard, and a challenge to other teams.
My hope was Mayfield, #2 choice Darnold; neither likely, so a trade down. Now I think Rosen and crossed fingers is almost a required move ( and he scares me).
Garrapolo: 2nd Round
Cousins: 4th Round
Wilson: 3rd Round
Now look at all the top ten QB's, and what they're getting on their second contracts, if they're getting one.
I don't think true "Franchise QB's" are found only in the Top 10 anymore. I think they're found all over the draft.
In fact, after watching the Eagles, I'm starting to wonder... What's more important? The QB? Or the system? Did Nick Foles look any worse than Carson Wentz?
I think things are changing. I'm starting to think the model of the Franchise QB is becoming outdated, or at the very least, it's cyclical and returning to strong running games and good defense. The only true, legit franchise QB that I've seen in the past five years has been Luck. But they're not really making em like that anymore.
It gives me pause on QB's at 2.
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Right, Tom Brady gets paid half of that. Sure he does. I mean its all right there in the salary cap figures, so, yes, definitely gets paid that much.
Didn't Brady also take a voluntary pay cut a few years back to help the team's salary cap situation?
I’m sure Brady has millions from Kraft sitting in an offshore company. Brady has made Kraft at least a billion. No way Brady isn’t going to get his fair share. Plus, it circumvents the salary cap and avoids taxes. They love cheating.
Garrapolo: 2nd Round
Cousins: 4th Round
Wilson: 3rd Round
Now look at all the top ten QB's, and what they're getting on their second contracts, if they're getting one.
I don't think true "Franchise QB's" are found only in the Top 10 anymore. I think they're found all over the draft.
In fact, after watching the Eagles, I'm starting to wonder... What's more important? The QB? Or the system? Did Nick Foles look any worse than Carson Wentz?
I think things are changing. I'm starting to think the model of the Franchise QB is becoming outdated, or at the very least, it's cyclical and returning to strong running games and good defense. The only true, legit franchise QB that I've seen in the past five years has been Luck. But they're not really making em like that anymore.
It gives me pause on QB's at 2.
Britt. The lower drafted QBs are the exception. Not the rule. Brady is an outlier. The guy you love so much now was the first pick in the draft 14 years ago. Two Qbs from the first round of that draft have made multiple Superbowl appearances. The point being that if you have a conviction you go with it. Convention says if the qb prospects are blue chip and you have a shot , you take it.
I'm surprised so many people are being fooled by Nick Foles again after 2013.
Has any ex Patriot (player or coach) justified a new or large contract?
I can't think of any.
Given JG's time in NE, and his games in SF, they are taking a gamble that he's the real deal. Now with QB locked up, they can try and load up on talent around him using their cap room and draft picks. I bet they challenge in the NFC West as soon as next year.
they could've tanked the season and gotten the no 2 overall
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Right, Tom Brady gets paid half of that. Sure he does. I mean its all right there in the salary cap figures, so, yes, definitely gets paid that much.
Didn't Brady also take a voluntary pay cut a few years back to help the team's salary cap situation?
I’m sure Brady has millions from Kraft sitting in an offshore company. Brady has made Kraft at least a billion. No way Brady isn’t going to get his fair share. Plus, it circumvents the salary cap and avoids taxes. They love cheating.
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