Do the NYG and Cleveland Browns have the same player as the best player in the draft?
My prediction is that the Browns will prefer Darnold because he is the safer QB and the Giants will prefer Rosen because he is the better QB. So everybody goes home happy!
So you believe the Giants have Darnold and Rosen as the best players in the draft? Or you believe they have Rosen as the best player, and another position second but they'll get lucky because the Browns won't pick their guy?
Brady is 40. How many real years does he have left? Garoppolo is what ... in his late 20s? Does Kraft know how hard it is to find quality QB's. He probably forgot because TB has been there so long ...
Joe Montana finished his career as a Chief
Ronnie Lott and Jerry Rice were Raiders ....
No mater who they are you have to know when to say when as an owner/GM. I believe BB was forced into that move and that is why he let him go for a 2nd rounder (out of spite).
There are reports with the guarantees between 75-95M. Depending on that number, the 9ers overall cap health, and the dead money after 3 or so years, it's not outrageous. Risky, but not outrageous.
Quarterback talent costs resources, either money or draft pick(s).
It's a unique role in all of sports. He has an impact on virtually every offensive play. Paying someone 15% of your yearly budget isn't so wild.
but the Chargers took Ryan Leaf in the 1998 draft over Peyton Manning. That's as big a fuck up as there's ever been in the NFL.
3 years later they had Drew Brees. 3 years after that they had Rivers too. And had as good a shot as anybody to win a SuperBowl from 2004-2009 but came up a little short.
Anyway, you can fuck up the pick with a QB. History is littered with failed picks at all positions (or injured - keep in mind injury tragedies cut non-QB careers short a hell of a lot more often than for the most protected player on the field).
Can't draft scared.
Huh? Peyton went first overall, Leaf second. Chargers never had a shot at Manning.
I really like Garoppolo but how do you explain this amount of money due to five or six games? Many here are hoping we spend close to 30+ mil in FA every FA player just called his agent show me the money. FA is Fools Gold for a team in the Giants situation they lack overall talent, leadership and those players with any talent will be contractual or age concerns in the next two years.
That #2, pick is real gold but the moves to change the overall roster this year is even more important. This team has possibly eight to twelve NFL players worthy of returning for this season. The rest are all overvalued vets or contractual headaches in the next two years move on from all these guys now. Not sure why we keep adding marginal players to our roster it may seem like small amounts of money however are these guys really NFL players is the true question?
Still beat that tired drum that if the Giants draft a QB that it is assumed that Eli doesnt get his two years left on his deal.
If they draft a 20 y/o QB, he can sit for even 2 years.
High draft picks simply don't sit that long. A QB drafted #2 overall is likely going to be a cap hit around 6-7 million per year on a 4 year deal. They're not going to let that cap money sit on the bench and do nothing for half of a rookie contract.
Still beat that tired drum that if the Giants draft a QB that it is assumed that Eli doesnt get his two years left on his deal.
If they draft a 20 y/o QB, he can sit for even 2 years.
High draft picks simply don't sit that long. A QB drafted #2 overall is likely going to be a cap hit around 6-7 million per year on a 4 year deal. They're not going to let that cap money sit on the bench and do nothing for half of a rookie contract.
High draft picks simply don't sit that long. A QB drafted #2 overall is likely going to be a cap hit around 6-7 million per year on a 4 year deal. They're not going to let that cap money sit on the bench and do nothing for half of a rookie contract.
Yes they are. Once the contract is signed the money is already committed and all that matters is putting the best product on the field. If Eli is playing at a high level and the Giants are winning, there is no need to make a change. The only way it becomes an issue is if the Giants win the Super Bowl in Eli's walk year.
The Colts parted ways with Peyton Manning to make room for Luck, and he went on to have two more incredible years. The Packers traded away a first ballot hall of famer coming off an an outstanding statistical season and a 13-3 year. It happens.
RE: You can say it, but what team actually does it?
The Colts parted ways with Peyton Manning to make room for Luck, and he went on to have two more incredible years. The Packers traded away a first ballot hall of famer coming off an an outstanding statistical season and a 13-3 year. It happens.
Manning was due $25M the following year and was coming off serious surgery. Rodgers sat for three years before being given the starting job after Favre retired and then unretired in July.
The 49ers still have a shit load of cap space to burn this offseason too after this deal. They are going all in to win with him.
But they won't have that cap space for long..I will continue to advocate for a max QB contract in the next CBA. This whole situation with QBs one upping each other to be highest paid player in NFL history is getting ridiculous.
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2h2 hours ago
If Jimmy Garoppolo completes his new $137.5 million contact, he will earn more in five years than the $135.4 million that Tom Brady earned in his first 14 NFL seasons.
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If Jimmy Garoppolo completes his new $137.5 million contact, he will earn more in five years than the $135.4 million that Tom Brady earned in his first 14 NFL seasons.
That's a weird figure - so in point of fact in his first 9 years Garappolo will have earned more than Brady did in his first 14 years? Factoring in both played 3-4 years on modest rookie deals, and then got big extensions, and accounting for the big increase in the cap, and that 14 years doesn't factor in arguably the most lucrative cash years for Brady, not sure what to think of this.
The Colts parted ways with Peyton Manning to make room for Luck, and he went on to have two more incredible years. The Packers traded away a first ballot hall of famer coming off an an outstanding statistical season and a 13-3 year. It happens.
Manning was due $25M the following year and was coming off serious surgery. Rodgers sat for three years before being given the starting job after Favre retired and then unretired in July.
If the argument is 'all that matters is putting the best product on the field', not playing Peyton Manning would be the opposite. And Rodgers, as the 24th overall pick, signed for peanuts compared to the contract a #2 overall quarterback would get according to draft slot. It's far easier to sit a player who has a 5 year 7 million dollar contract. Estimates on the 2018 #2 overall slot are around 31 million.
Stupid.Stupid. Stupid.
They could have franchised him for a year, seen if 2017 was real . If next year he proves himself- go ahead and give him big bucks.
What if he turns out to be Matt Cassel?
I get the wanting to make a big splash. If wrong you killed 49ers for at least 5 years .
The Patriots do not let players in their prime leave.
But good for Garoppolo. He could play the five years and retire sitting pretty if we wanted to.
It's going to feel like an eternity between now and the draft. I am not sold on any of the QBs for a variety of reasons (I want the Giants to take Barkley) but I am going to trust DG to make the right decision.
The 9ers also have the 89% of cap salary floor to hit for the 2017-2020 window. They came into this off-season approaching 120M in space. They could absorb his entire guarantee this year and still be fine.
They just put 37M on him and have almost 80M in cap space right now.
Stupid.Stupid. Stupid.
They could have franchised him for a year, seen if 2017 was real . If next year he proves himself- go ahead and give him big bucks.
What if he turns out to be Matt Cassel?
I get the wanting to make a big splash. If wrong you killed 49ers for at least 5 years .
The Patriots do not let players in their prime leave.
Actually, Belichick was pretty miffed that this happened. So the whole narrative that this just something NE would do if JG was worth a shit is nonsense.
Secondly, comments that suggest this could "kill the 49ers for at least 5 years" just tell me you don't understand the salary cap or the way the deal is structured.
They're actually pretty well protected if he sucks and can easily get out of this deal midway through and recoup cap space.
The Colts parted ways with Peyton Manning to make room for Luck, and he went on to have two more incredible years. The Packers traded away a first ballot hall of famer coming off an an outstanding statistical season and a 13-3 year. It happens.
Manning was due $25M the following year and was coming off serious surgery. Rodgers sat for three years before being given the starting job after Favre retired and then unretired in July.
If the argument is 'all that matters is putting the best product on the field', not playing Peyton Manning would be the opposite. And Rodgers, as the 24th overall pick, signed for peanuts compared to the contract a #2 overall quarterback would get according to draft slot. It's far easier to sit a player who has a 5 year 7 million dollar contract. Estimates on the 2018 #2 overall slot are around 31 million.
Hey, you're the one who used Rodgers to support your argument, I was just pointing out that Favre retired before he was traded. And Peyton was coming off pretty serious surgery and had a balloon payment due that was going to require re-working his contract if they didn't release him.
The situation will be fluid and dependent on a variety of factors that will play themselves out. If the Giants win the Super Bowl next year, I doubt they cut Eli just because too much cap room is sitting on the bench in the form of 22 year old Josh Rosen. The average salaries of Eli and Rosen combined will be less than that of Garoppolo or Cousins individually. And as the salary cap goes up several million dollars each year, it won't be an issue going forward.
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Do the NYG and Cleveland Browns have the same player as the best player in the draft?
My prediction is that the Browns will prefer Darnold because he is the safer QB and the Giants will prefer Rosen because he is the better QB. So everybody goes home happy!
So you believe the Giants have Darnold and Rosen as the best players in the draft? Or you believe they have Rosen as the best player, and another position second but they'll get lucky because the Browns won't pick their guy?
Joe Montana finished his career as a Chief
Ronnie Lott and Jerry Rice were Raiders ....
No mater who they are you have to know when to say when as an owner/GM. I believe BB was forced into that move and that is why he let him go for a 2nd rounder (out of spite).
Quarterback talent costs resources, either money or draft pick(s).
It's a unique role in all of sports. He has an impact on virtually every offensive play. Paying someone 15% of your yearly budget isn't so wild.
If they draft a 20 y/o QB, he can sit for even 2 years.
3 years later they had Drew Brees. 3 years after that they had Rivers too. And had as good a shot as anybody to win a SuperBowl from 2004-2009 but came up a little short.
Anyway, you can fuck up the pick with a QB. History is littered with failed picks at all positions (or injured - keep in mind injury tragedies cut non-QB careers short a hell of a lot more often than for the most protected player on the field).
Can't draft scared.
Huh? Peyton went first overall, Leaf second. Chargers never had a shot at Manning.
That #2, pick is real gold but the moves to change the overall roster this year is even more important. This team has possibly eight to twelve NFL players worthy of returning for this season. The rest are all overvalued vets or contractual headaches in the next two years move on from all these guys now. Not sure why we keep adding marginal players to our roster it may seem like small amounts of money however are these guys really NFL players is the true question?
If they draft a 20 y/o QB, he can sit for even 2 years.
High draft picks simply don't sit that long. A QB drafted #2 overall is likely going to be a cap hit around 6-7 million per year on a 4 year deal. They're not going to let that cap money sit on the bench and do nothing for half of a rookie contract.
If they draft a 20 y/o QB, he can sit for even 2 years.
High draft picks simply don't sit that long. A QB drafted #2 overall is likely going to be a cap hit around 6-7 million per year on a 4 year deal. They're not going to let that cap money sit on the bench and do nothing for half of a rookie contract.
High draft picks simply don't sit that long. A QB drafted #2 overall is likely going to be a cap hit around 6-7 million per year on a 4 year deal. They're not going to let that cap money sit on the bench and do nothing for half of a rookie contract.
But they won't have that cap space for long..I will continue to advocate for a max QB contract in the next CBA. This whole situation with QBs one upping each other to be highest paid player in NFL history is getting ridiculous.
The only change needed is the dishonest clock bait "highest paid ever" headline lure.
The system is working exactly as designed. He's going from .03% of cap to likely 15% in his 2nd contract.
Like it or not, the CBA gets money out of unproven hands into productive, young vets.
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2h2 hours ago
If Jimmy Garoppolo completes his new $137.5 million contact, he will earn more in five years than the $135.4 million that Tom Brady earned in his first 14 NFL seasons.
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Adam Schefter
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2h2 hours ago
If Jimmy Garoppolo completes his new $137.5 million contact, he will earn more in five years than the $135.4 million that Tom Brady earned in his first 14 NFL seasons.
That's a weird figure - so in point of fact in his first 9 years Garappolo will have earned more than Brady did in his first 14 years? Factoring in both played 3-4 years on modest rookie deals, and then got big extensions, and accounting for the big increase in the cap, and that 14 years doesn't factor in arguably the most lucrative cash years for Brady, not sure what to think of this.
Jimmy G signed this mega deal after starting 6 games.
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The Colts parted ways with Peyton Manning to make room for Luck, and he went on to have two more incredible years. The Packers traded away a first ballot hall of famer coming off an an outstanding statistical season and a 13-3 year. It happens.
Manning was due $25M the following year and was coming off serious surgery. Rodgers sat for three years before being given the starting job after Favre retired and then unretired in July.
If the argument is 'all that matters is putting the best product on the field', not playing Peyton Manning would be the opposite. And Rodgers, as the 24th overall pick, signed for peanuts compared to the contract a #2 overall quarterback would get according to draft slot. It's far easier to sit a player who has a 5 year 7 million dollar contract. Estimates on the 2018 #2 overall slot are around 31 million.
Jimmy G signed this mega deal after starting 6 games.
Sure, just seems like a cherry picked window of time to make the point. No doubt Brady accomplished a much more before signing his first extension.
They could have franchised him for a year, seen if 2017 was real . If next year he proves himself- go ahead and give him big bucks.
What if he turns out to be Matt Cassel?
I get the wanting to make a big splash. If wrong you killed 49ers for at least 5 years .
The Patriots do not let players in their prime leave.
It's going to feel like an eternity between now and the draft. I am not sold on any of the QBs for a variety of reasons (I want the Giants to take Barkley) but I am going to trust DG to make the right decision.
They just put 37M on him and have almost 80M in cap space right now.
They could have franchised him for a year, seen if 2017 was real . If next year he proves himself- go ahead and give him big bucks.
What if he turns out to be Matt Cassel?
I get the wanting to make a big splash. If wrong you killed 49ers for at least 5 years .
The Patriots do not let players in their prime leave.
Actually, Belichick was pretty miffed that this happened. So the whole narrative that this just something NE would do if JG was worth a shit is nonsense.
Secondly, comments that suggest this could "kill the 49ers for at least 5 years" just tell me you don't understand the salary cap or the way the deal is structured.
They're actually pretty well protected if he sucks and can easily get out of this deal midway through and recoup cap space.
There's no doubt he's walking away from this a very wealthy man - but this isn't the outrageous deal the headlines made this out to be.
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The Colts parted ways with Peyton Manning to make room for Luck, and he went on to have two more incredible years. The Packers traded away a first ballot hall of famer coming off an an outstanding statistical season and a 13-3 year. It happens.
Manning was due $25M the following year and was coming off serious surgery. Rodgers sat for three years before being given the starting job after Favre retired and then unretired in July.
If the argument is 'all that matters is putting the best product on the field', not playing Peyton Manning would be the opposite. And Rodgers, as the 24th overall pick, signed for peanuts compared to the contract a #2 overall quarterback would get according to draft slot. It's far easier to sit a player who has a 5 year 7 million dollar contract. Estimates on the 2018 #2 overall slot are around 31 million.
The situation will be fluid and dependent on a variety of factors that will play themselves out. If the Giants win the Super Bowl next year, I doubt they cut Eli just because too much cap room is sitting on the bench in the form of 22 year old Josh Rosen. The average salaries of Eli and Rosen combined will be less than that of Garoppolo or Cousins individually. And as the salary cap goes up several million dollars each year, it won't be an issue going forward.