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Denver, New York and Dallas agreed on a three-way deal, league sources tell ESPN. Mudiay to Knicks; Devin Harris to Denver and Doug McDermott to Dallas.
I know he's young and was a top 10 or so pick but isn't he a scrub?
Is this because of full on tank mode?
He's been awful (biggest red flag is very poor defense despite being a plus plus athlete). Plus side is 37% from 3 (I was shocked) and an improved 12.5 PER.. still .31 WS/48... yuck
as a bit of an unknown and he's been a big disappointment in the NBA. He hasn't developed at all. His minutes were cut big time coming into this season. He's still young and on a rookie contract so it's worth the risk to bring him in and see if you could develop him. He has good physical attributes.
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Denver and New York was swapping second-round picks in the three-way trade, league sources tell ESPN. Denver gets New York's 2018 second-round pick via Clippers, and Knicks get Denver's second-round pick via Portland.
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I know he's young and was a top 10 or so pick but isn't he a scrub?
Is this because of full on tank mode?
Its a good buy low player but hes been very bad. He doesnt really do anything well. Hopefully a change of scenery helps. Maybe Hornacek can help develop him...hahah.
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This is a good trade, goes along with the Knicks becoming more athletic. Mudiay was a very good prospect and still is young enough to improve with proper coaching.
Thankfully, we did not give up a first rounder.
I recall a lot of BBIers water Mudiay over Pozingis
He may be a late bloomer. He's shown some improvement from his first year to his third.
Shooting 80% from FT, so it's not like he's a bad shooter in general. Could be shot selection and some mechanical stuff that is something that can improve.
line is next years team won't have high hopes with KP?? So paying Dougie didn't make a ton of sense. Mudiay isn't restricted until after NEXT season so worthy gamble.
RE: I recall a lot of BBIers water Mudiay over Pozingis
The Knicks could have acquired Elfrid Payton, a Scott Perry favorite, but they would not include Frank Ntilikina in the deal with Orlando. Instead, they went after Mudiay.
Smart trade by the Knicks, buying low on a young, athletic PG in Mudiay while only giving up McDermott, who wasnt a long-term piece twitter.com/wojespn/
The Knicks could have acquired Elfrid Payton, a Scott Perry favorite, but they would not include Frank Ntilikina in the deal with Orlando. Instead, they went after Mudiay.
and if you give up Ntilikina, or anything else of value, you're pretty much locked into signing Payton on a 4yr/$50 type of deal. This is a much better alternative.
One last note: Mudiay has not talked to the Denver media all season. He has stonewalled us all. And Denver is a SOFT media market. Curious to see how he handles NYC.
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Grizz have had second-round pick offers for Tyreke Evans for weeks now. Have half an hour to decide whether theyll take them.
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Grizz have had second-round pick offers for Tyreke Evans for weeks now. Have half an hour to decide whether theyll take them.
I guess a pair of 2nd's for Willy doesn't seem so bad now
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Grizz have had second-round pick offers for Tyreke Evans for weeks now. Have half an hour to decide whether theyll take them.
I guess a pair of 2nd's for Willy doesn't seem so bad now
No, it does. Better off holding onto him and giving him minutes.
Really liked him in the draft. Big, athletic, unselfish distributor. Will turn 22 next month.
He did flash during some games but was fairly inconsistent. But remember, he was basically a HS kid coming into the NBA. Maybe was asked to do too much too early.
Nice job, every if he turns into Frenchie insurance. Gives us a nice, super young PG tandem who each bring a different skill set to the court, and more importantly, are pass first guys.
Really liked him in the draft. Big, athletic, unselfish distributor. Will turn 22 next month.
He did flash during some games but was fairly inconsistent. But remember, he was basically a HS kid coming into the NBA. Maybe was asked to do too much too early.
Nice job, every if he turns into Frenchie insurance. Gives us a nice, super young PG tandem who each bring a different skill set to the court, and more importantly, are pass first guys.
The Knicks could have acquired Elfrid Payton, a Scott Perry favorite, but they would not include Frank Ntilikina in the deal with Orlando. Instead, they went after Mudiay.
Are PGs. Mudiay has a better handle (at present) and can really push the ball up the court. Good finisher. More polished offensive player. Frank's a better defender.
There may be times where both are on the court, but neither one is a go-to scorer (as yet). I think we will see Mudiay starting with Frank coming off the bench.
Are PGs. Mudiay has a better handle (at present) and can really push the ball up the court. Good finisher. More polished offensive player. Frank's a better defender.
There may be times where both are on the court, but neither one is a go-to scorer (as yet). I think we will see Mudiay starting with Frank coming off the bench.
Again, Mudiay is now about the age that most kids are getting drafted out of college. He was basically a HS kid who was asked to run an NBA team, missed 14 games his rookie year with an ankle and never quite settled into the #1 role.
Ton of potential and I'm surprised they moved on from him. Unselfish kid by all accounts.
Apart from Jokic, who are you distributing the ball to? Who are the leaders on that team?
and mudiay at that cost. Increase your chances someone works out, haha.
PHX loves nothing more then trading and trading for PGs. Just in the last couple years they have had what Dragic, Bledsoe, Knight, IT, and Elf? Im sure im forgetting someone
us. I mean id like to think that we will find a way to get all the kids minutes but i know we wont. I mean Lee can just be a full time SF now. That still gives you minutes for Mudiay/Burke at PG and THJR/Frank at SG, but im sure we will need to get Lance 20 minutes at SF so Lee will cut into the SG minutes. And of course we prolly wont release Jack so he can eat up 20 minutes a night for a team going nowhere.
Knicks traded 2 guys they should have kept(although McBuckets for Mudiay is intriguing) Didn't move any of the guys that needed to be moved But,Perry did get his precious #2 picks
reporters say the knicks got interest in KOQ but did not like the offers. What the hell? Unless the offer was a third round pick you take it. He isnt going to be on the team in a couple months and you get nothing for him.
us. I mean id like to think that we will find a way to get all the kids minutes but i know we wont. I mean Lee can just be a full time SF now. That still gives you minutes for Mudiay/Burke at PG and THJR/Frank at SG, but im sure we will need to get Lance 20 minutes at SF so Lee will cut into the SG minutes. And of course we prolly wont release Jack so he can eat up 20 minutes a night for a team going nowhere.
Hornacek will continue to play the vets unless Perry/Mills
mandate PT for younger guys. Can't believe a playoff team wouldn't want Jacks as a backup PG/KOQ as a backup C/PF/Lee as a SG Would love to know what the offers were! Luckily,Hornacek finds new ways to lose so even w/the vets he'll fuck it up!
Knicks traded 2 guys they should have kept(although McBuckets for Mudiay is intriguing) Didn't move any of the guys that needed to be moved But,Perry did get his precious #2 picks
Jokic was a middle second round pick. As were Manu Ginobli, Millsap, Kukoc, M. Gasol, Dragic, P. Beverly, D. Green, Whiteside, etc.
Loading up on 2s, absent the ability or assets to acquire firsts is smart.
Knicks traded 2 guys they should have kept(although McBuckets for Mudiay is intriguing) Didn't move any of the guys that needed to be moved But,Perry did get his precious #2 picks
Jokic was a middle second round pick. As were Manu Ginobli, Millsap, Kukoc, M. Gasol, Dragic, P. Beverly, D. Green, Whiteside, etc.
Loading up on 2s, absent the ability or assets to acquire firsts is smart.
So you've listed 10 players over how many years who were #2's? It's a crap shoot at best Take all those years of those players & list all the #2's that never amounted to anything!
That's really a question? You leave him home until Hornacek is fired the day after the season ends and then he comes back next year as an expiring contract nailed to the bench unless he has some trade value at some point. A year from today he gets released if he isn't traded. Not really that difficult.
Knicks traded 2 guys they should have kept(although McBuckets for Mudiay is intriguing) Didn't move any of the guys that needed to be moved But,Perry did get his precious #2 picks
Jokic was a middle second round pick. As were Manu Ginobli, Millsap, Kukoc, M. Gasol, Dragic, P. Beverly, D. Green, Whiteside, etc.
Loading up on 2s, absent the ability or assets to acquire firsts is smart.
MO,
A guy on reddit did a comprehensive study of the 15 drafts through 2015 and basically found that if you don't have a top 5 pick of the second round the odds are very, very long.
So you've listed 10 players over how many years who were #2's? It's a crap shoot at best Take all those years of those players & list all the #2's that never amounted to anything!
You miss my point. Having a pick is no assurance that you get a good player. It does offer you the flexobility to grab a guy with interesting skills who fell out of the first. There are guys like those in every draft. Just gotta find them. That's why you pay scouts.
Not sure why you're complaining about having picks. Especially since we're giving up virtually nothing to acquire them.
I don't deny that they're long. But it's possible. And outside of unloading real assets (like Frank or KP), or taking on bad contracts, I don't know how else you're going to acquire first round picks.
Mcbuckets/Lee/KOQ aren't/weren't going land those types of picks. I don't care what's bandied about on this board.
Grab what picks you can and draft young players with athleticism. You never know when those picks will come in handy.
So you've listed 10 players over how many years who were #2's? It's a crap shoot at best Take all those years of those players & list all the #2's that never amounted to anything!
You miss my point. Having a pick is no assurance that you get a good player. It does offer you the flexobility to grab a guy with interesting skills who fell out of the first. There are guys like those in every draft. Just gotta find them. That's why you pay scouts.
Not sure why you're complaining about having picks. Especially since we're giving up virtually nothing to acquire them.
No,I didn't miss your point. When you listen to Perry yesterday,he was almost drooling about getting the 2020,2021 #2 picks because the Knicks had traded those years away. Problem is,he traded away a kid who was 23,all rookie team,great contract for those picks. Hornacek has had a hard-on for the kid all year & used the "we have 4 centers"(really it was 3) as an excuse to not play him. Now with KP down & minutes available,Perry trades him for 2 #2's that won't play this year,next year or the following year. And,by next year,Hornacek will only be a bad memory. Second round picks are bought every year at the draft so Perry could have replenished his supply with Dolan's $$$. Willy was part of the future promotions all summer after a nice first season. His complete fall from grace is really unexplainable-I don't believe Hornacek's BS! So I don't agree with your statement "we're giving up virtually nothing to acquire them" We gave up a 23 year old who showed potential & with the KP situation,could have improved his stock-either to remain a Knick or increase his trade value. It takes virtually nothing to get a second round pick (Dolan's $$$$),so why give up a young asset?
Draft picks aren't bought and sold all the time. Maybe years ago, that was the case. To buy a pick, you'd have to find a team that's willing to sell it to you.
No we at least now the value of the Knicks vets around the league - zero. Such more for those draft picks for KOQ/ Lee.
Another year, another tankathon to end a season. Knicks have 26 games left. Anything can happen in the NBA, especially in March/April, but I can only see 3 games the Knicks will be favored- home against Dallas, Orlando,Chicago. And even those are iffy. They may be the worst team in the league without KP.
They are 4.5 games out of picking in the top 5. Brooklyn and the Lakers are between them who have zero incentive to tank. I really hope the Knicks play it smart and do everything possible to get a high draft pick. The 4th spot should be the goal- 42% at top 3 and 13.7% at number 1.
Draft picks aren't bought and sold all the time. Maybe years ago, that was the case. To buy a pick, you'd have to find a team that's willing to sell it to you.
Makes sense,can't buy w/o a seller Luckily,there are always teams looking to sell on draft night!
I get that everyone wants to see the young guys play. But sometimes those young guys haven't made the strides to earn playing time. It wasn't like Willy was an unknown. Until about last week, the team still had eyes on making the playoffs. Our star certainly did.
I ask again, apart from dealing Frank/KP to acquire talent and/or firsts, you're going to upgrade the roster how? We aren't the Lakers. Teams aren't falling over themselves to give us young phenoms.
,we need to get to the top five in order to get a guy that moves the needle. We should be there without Porz.
Courtney Lee should have been sold to the highest bidder to ensure that reality, and make time to play Frank, Dot, and Burke more. Now we have Mudiay. I wonder if he's there to be role model for the younger guards.
Jack should really be a player/coach at this point.
The KNicks have had among the worst starting point guards in the league for what seems to be a decade (notwithstanding one good season of Felton under D'Antoni). Otherwise it has been Douglas, Duhon, Calderon, old Kidd, old Baron Davis, rookie SHumpert, Shane Larkin, rookie Jerian Grant, old Jack, and rookie Frank.
This is a guard's league. Mudiay is still really young and was a lottery pick because of his athleticism. Might as well take a flyer on him even if it cost McDermott.
I loved watching Doug play, but he doesn't fit into the team's plan.
Draft picks aren't bought and sold all the time. Maybe years ago, that was the case. To buy a pick, you'd have to find a team that's willing to sell it to you.
Happened last year with Jordan Bell 38th overall. Also 39th pick was sold for cash. 4 2nd round picks were traded for cash last year alone. These are the types of moves the Knicks should be making.
Mudiay's advanced stats have all increased each year (per 36 m, per 100 Poss, PER and WS/48)
He probably won't ever be anything but a backup. But considering McBuckets was a throw-in in the Melo deal, this trade does not really have much downside.
,we need to get to the top five in order to get a guy that moves the needle. We should be there without Porz.
Courtney Lee should have been sold to the highest bidder to ensure that reality, and make time to play Frank, Dot, and Burke more. Now we have Mudiay. I wonder if he's there to be role model for the younger guards.
Jack should really be a player/coach at this point.
Looking at the standings, number five is probably a stretch. More likely to be #8. But maybe they get lucky and get the #1 pick :))))
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[quote] I get that everyone wants to see the young guys play. But sometimes those young guys haven't made the strides to earn playing time. It wasn't like Willy was an unknown. Until about last week, the team still had eyes on making the playoffs. Our star certainly did.
I ask again, apart from dealing Frank/KP to acquire talent and/or firsts, you're going to upgrade the roster how? We aren't the Lakers. Teams aren't falling over themselves to give us young phenoms.
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We seem to be on different pages I don't disagree that second round draft picks give us a chance to improve, even though the chance is small. The Willy situation was handled very strangely & the explanations for his lack of PT even stranger. Today,Alan Hahn (who sadly has become a lackey for management) said that there were issues w/Willy-he didn't want to go to the G-league & was disrespectful. Every thing we've read & seen about this kid tells us that couldn't be farther from the truth. Seems management saw the negative feedback yesterday & was putting out a narrative to justify the move.Your argument is about using picks to acquire talent & I agree.That's what the Knicks did to acquire Willy! So it's sad when you trade away a 23 year old asset. He may prove he wan't as good as we saw last year-then again he might.I would just have liked the opportunity to see what happens in the last 26 games of the season w/him as a Knick. Maybe this second round pick becomes a player with a future!
Acquiring talent is the key. The Knicks now have two lottery picks from KP's draft and Mudiay is only 21. I can see him and Frankie playing together labels should be irrelevant. It's up to coaching to develop these two into a winning backcourt. Get a potential star SF in the draft. At this point I would have KOQ as my starting C next year (primarily for defense, toughness and rebounding). They're not winning anything with Kanter. He's not athletic enough in today's NBA to win with. This would move the team along towards becoming legitimately contenders.
Beasley is going to go wild here now that he's starting. Knicks will find a way to win games they don't want to win. It's how they roll. Can't blame them but it sucks.
Only way I want to see the Knicks winning is it frank, mudiay or Burke establish themselves as building blocks along the way.
Trade that this whole year should be about the TANK and getting slaty cap friendly
By KP getting hurt(and by no means am I suggesting this is a good thing)that this expedited the TANK and now the Knicks can get a legitimate star in this years lottery rich draft
Hopefully KP will come back healthy and the 2019-20 season can be the start of something big
Kyrie and Kawhi are FAs and with KP healthy and this years lottery and possibly 2019 lottery this team will have lots of talent
Lee and Thomas contract need to come off the books before their last year and Noah can always be stretched to become cap friendly to sign them
Unfortunately us fans need to suffer another two years
Fire Hirnacek and Rambis
He seems to be improving and could improve a lot more. If things work out, he's an asset, and the price to get him was negligible.
Right now the Knicks don't need to worry about having a logjam at point guard, they need to worry about acquiring assets -- about getting more, younger, better guys with potential upside.
Mudiay and Frank can compete with each other, and let the best man win. If they're both good enough they can either play together or one can be traded. Same with Burke.
With the addition of Mudiay and Burke the Knicks now have a collection of talented young guards who seem to be on the upswing. Mudiay and Burke were highly rated prospects when drafted. They're still young. Will that group win a lot of games this season? Probably not. But they provide a base to deal from.
They are doing the right thing keep acquiring athletic talent with potential. If only one of these guys blossoms what a coup that will be. This is a different approach then has been used here for a long time. And Willie was a second rounder for a reason. He scored and rebounded but maybe never showed he can play next to KP.
He's 21 yrs old was asked to run the team at 19. Other than LBJ hoe often does that work out? He's healthy and has improved statistically every year. A more nurturing environment (and learning to play some defense), may be just what the doctor ordered.
If nothing this, this is the most attention paid to the PG situation
tank and not get any better? What a terrible product Dolan has allowed the Knicks to become. I know its probably all his fault, but still at least the Browns have hope and have a chance at getting better it seems like we are completely cursed. What is the concern level of a guy KP size and build successfully coming back from an ACL? I am not try to infer anything but that I am legitimately asking if there is concern he wont be able to return to form?
I was one of the guys who wanted Mudiay at 4 over Porzingis. I am happy to admit that I was wrong but I am very happy that the Knicks have at least taken a chance on Mudiay especially for that price. He is still very young and we all know that he is a great athlete. Hopefully a change of scenery and more playing is just what this kid needed.
I didn't expect anything from him. On the other hand, Hicks did not play up to his G-league stats. If Kornet can develop into a decent backup I think he and KP would make a good tandem at the five. The Knicks would just need to get some 3s and 4s on the roster. I hope the Knicks figure out a way to flip Kanter like they did with McDermott.
I didn't expect anything from him. On the other hand, Hicks did not play up to his G-league stats. If Kornet can develop into a decent backup I think he and KP would make a good tandem at the five. The Knicks would just need to get some 3s and 4s on the roster. I hope the Knicks figure out a way to flip Kanter like they did with McDermott.
Kornet's skill set is a better fit than Willy's. We'll see if this was just a mirage.
Luke Kornet blocks a 4th shot, which means he becomes the first and only player in NBA history at least 4 blocks and three 3-pointers in his first career game. He also had 11 points and 10 boards. Hes the first Knick rookie w/ a double-double in debut since John Wallace in 1996
watched parts of more G league games than I want to admit. It's a tough league to really judge but Burke and Kornet really did standout. I've fallen for some Gleague guys before that just didnt ave it but who knows
watched parts of more G league games than I want to admit. It's a tough league to really judge but Burke and Kornet really did standout. I've fallen for some Gleague guys before that just didnt ave it but who knows
Me too. I always thought that Kornet had a chance because the 3 pt range is for real and he's very active on both offense and defense. You can see how the spacing changes on the floor when he's out there.
I definitely wanted them to bring him up and give him a chance, I just thought it would be after KOQ got traded instead of Willy.
I'd like Nigel Hayes to get a chance. His shooting really seems to be improved and he's definitely an NBA athlete. He has a chance to be a legit bench guy.
Hopefully some of these "long shots" like Kornet, Burke, Dotson and whoever else we find, could be back of the rotation players for us when we are actually ready to win some games.
the same note I have to be honest (and this isn't about last night) Hicks in the Gleague reminded me a lot of the guys I would previously like but just not be quite NBA players. I'd love to be wrong.
the same note I have to be honest (and this isn't about last night) Hicks in the Gleague reminded me a lot of the guys I would previously like but just not be quite NBA players. I'd love to be wrong.
He looks like he still has some baby fat, he also looked hesitant, kornet on the other hand fired away..
I'd like Nigel Hayes to get a chance. His shooting really seems to be improved and he's definitely an NBA athlete. He has a chance to be a legit bench guy.
I'd like Nigel Hayes to get a chance. His shooting really seems to be improved and he's definitely an NBA athlete. He has a chance to be a legit bench guy.
Hayes signed w/the Lakers
Signed 10 day, waz not signed to second 10 day, he is back with Westchester knickz
Luke Kornet was the third-best player on a mediocre college team
I'll be stunned if he turns out to be anything but fodder in the long run
Weird thing about Kornet was 2 years ago he shot the 3 ball really well, which was what Fran Frascila pointed to when praising the Knicks adding him, then for 2 years didn't shoot so well but when I saw him in the G league and summer league his shot looked pure. I'm NOT saying he's some future stud but I do think he could be an NBA player.
KP can't bitch or become disenchanted with the Knicks when they suck copious amounts of ball-sack the next year and a half.
So here's the fucking plan. . Play the kids here for the rest of the season. Try like hell to win, nothing wrong with that, but they won't win much. Win 4-6 games tops--probably 4 but most important is get Frank, Mudiay, Burke and anyone else that is young as much burn as possible. Then, the night before the lottery, sacrifice a goat, a chicken and if no one is looking a homeless person or do exactly the opposite of whatever this shit franchise has done the last 25 years or so. Make the pick. Develop the pick. Nurture the pick. Try like hell in 2018-2019 but focus on youth and development. Bring KP along slowly. Even slower than slowly. Get KP back into game mode by the spring of next season and once again, do whatever is needed to gain ground on the nba lottery. Make that pick. Develop and nurture that pick. Summer of 2019 and Presto.... Four-five young athletic players in the fold along with KP. Spend wisely.
It's so simple even if it's a painful 500 day stretch. DON'T FUCK THIS UP!
to be a bench stretch 5. He's a smart kid who plays hard, does a good job of taking up space and is sneaky quick out there. He moves his feet and is pretty sound defensively.
as a vet presence. Good mentor for the youngsters. I want Frank and Mudiay to get reps and develop, but I also want the Knicks to lose every game the rest of the season, so if that means playing Jack all game, I'm for it.
These guys should all play as many minutes as possible. Why not? Hell, play Frank and Mudiay together and flip flop them so they each get time as the 2. When Frank is at the 2, drill it into his head that he is to go out and try to score. Shoot the damn ball. Dotson's development also needs to be prioritized. He can score and play some defense. Time to learn with the big boys. I am not a fan of tanking, but the Knicks really need to move up in the lottery to ensure they get a good player in the draft. Lord knows that they can't count on a lucky bounce of the ping pong ball.
And Cleveland gets younger in an hour. Knicks piss me off.
Cleveland added a bunch of averageish players, and if Lebron leaves they'll likely toil in mediocrity for a few years.
They added good, young, athletic, high IQ players, none with bad contracts --- I don't know how anybody can criticize what they did.
They were good trades, but I don't think it helps them beat the Warriors.
It's a very good trade if Lebron stays, but if he leaves they are a very average basketball team. Not bad enough to tank, not good enough to be a top 5 seed.
How good or bad this trade was all depends on Lebron.
But it's so awesome to see Joe Harris establish himself as a quality NBA player for them. He deserves it - great guy and as hard a worker as there is in the league. Link - ( New Window )
Apparently the Mudiay trade means the front office doesn't think Ntilikina deserves to play and Phil Jackson "wasted" that valuable asset. I know people will say their job is to rile people up and be trolls, but I actually think Michael Kay is just that stupid. It's not shtick.
Doug McDermott is the ninth or tenth man in our rotation and a restricted free agent at season's end - we flipped him for a former lottery pick who our scouts probably liked.
Jeffries makes a great point about shooting vs. finishing
I think it's also shot selection. more than half his 2 ptrs are from mid range. He can't play that way. He's gotta do the Rockets style of every thing within 5 feet or beyond the arc.
But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.
RE: Made the mistake of flipping on Michael Kay during my lunch break.
Apparently the Mudiay trade means the front office doesn't think Ntilikina deserves to play and Phil Jackson "wasted" that valuable asset. I know people will say their job is to rile people up and be trolls, but I actually think Michael Kay is just that stupid. It's not shtick.
Doug McDermott is the ninth or tenth man in our rotation and a restricted free agent at season's end - we flipped him for a former lottery pick who our scouts probably liked.
Michael Kay hates Phil Jackson, absolutely despises him...
He also has no idea what he is talking about, he once said if a NBA player misses a game if he doesn't miss the next game after that he is faking
I can't listen to him talk about anything but the Yankees and baseball. He's lost in other sports. And I'm a Yankee fan who's predisposed to like the guy as I enjoy him on YES.
Management should be telling Hornaceck that his job depends on the development of the young players, not wins and losses.
He shouldn't need management to tell him, the team is not making the playoffs
What are you talking about? Of course it's not his decision to make. In what other sport are you okay with the coach deciding when it's time to stop trying to win games?
Management should be telling Hornaceck that his job depends on the development of the young players, not wins and losses.
He shouldn't need management to tell him, the team is not making the playoffs
What are you talking about? Of course it's not his decision to make. In what other sport are you okay with the coach deciding when it's time to stop trying to win games?
Yeah rereading it you are right...
I just think it is obvious jack is done, he served his purprose
Anyone want to defend Hornacek after seeing this? lol
I think it's also shot selection. more than half his 2 ptrs are from mid range. He can't play that way. He's gotta do the Rockets style of every thing within 5 feet or beyond the arc.
But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.
The issue with that though....do players all of a sudden become good finishers? I feel like it's either an ability you have or dont have. Guy can become better shooters, but how does one become a better finisher?
RE: RE: Jeffries makes a great point about shooting vs. finishing
I think it's also shot selection. more than half his 2 ptrs are from mid range. He can't play that way. He's gotta do the Rockets style of every thing within 5 feet or beyond the arc.
But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.
The issue with that though....do players all of a sudden become good finishers? I feel like it's either an ability you have or dont have. Guy can become better shooters, but how does one become a better finisher?
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RE: RE: Jeffries makes a great point about shooting vs. finishing
I think it's also shot selection. more than half his 2 ptrs are from mid range. He can't play that way. He's gotta do the Rockets style of every thing within 5 feet or beyond the arc.
But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.
The issue with that though....do players all of a sudden become good finishers? I feel like it's either an ability you have or dont have. Guy can become better shooters, but how does one become a better finisher?
I do think there is an art to what a guy like kyrie does at the rim..
I think what he can change is not forcing bad shots at the rim, if it is not there kick it out or find the roll guy..
Derrick rose people consider a good finisher but how many times did he miss at the rim because of him forcing the shot?
I think we have to look to see if he is a bad finisher like shunper was or is just taking bad shots? There is a difference you can fix someone taking bad shots
I go to one, curse loudly and shout how stupid that opinion or take was, then go to the other and do the same thing. Then I inevitably bounce back to Sirius and listen to stern repeats or NFL radio. I try to listen to both and can't. Both shows literally make me angry. Like David banner sports hulk angry....
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I go to one, curse loudly and shout how stupid that opinion or take was, then go to the other and do the same thing. Then I inevitably bounce back to Sirius and listen to stern repeats or NFL radio. I try to listen to both and can't. Both shows literally make me angry. Like David banner sports hulk angry....
thus far. He's more athletic than Frank for sure, but certainly not some jet-quick pogo stick. He's big for the position and smooth for sure.
Honestly I wanted him more than KP way back when, let's see how he gets used here. The Nuggets drafted Harris and Murray around the same time as well. Murray seems the most skilled and with the most "it" factor and Harris is solid, but it's kinda surprising Mudiay fell out of favor there so fast. It really isn't an exact science.
also flashed in the G-League. I was pretty impressed, he could be an NBA asset if he can provide semi passable D
You have to wonder if kornet's presence motivated the Knicks to deal off Gomez. I mean the guy comes up and plays very well in game one, better than Gomez ever did from a pure NBA needs pov.
We all hate how they handled Gomez but if kornett is a legit big it would help validate the Knicks intentions.
Kornet was shockingly agile on defense the other night.
so I don't think that's a problem. He will be away "until further notice." (link)
Maybe the Knicks hope that his desire to actually play again will lead to a modest discount on a buyout if they keep him away but I think his playing time as a Knick is over in any event.
Now I wonder whether they re-sign Kanter and Beasley. Both, I suspect, badly want to stay and will give the Knicks a discount.
Then, if they get to draft one of the really talented 3s likely to be available in the 7-10 slot of the draft, I wonder if they trade Lee.
so I don't think that's a problem. He will be away "until further notice." (link)
Maybe the Knicks hope that his desire to actually play again will lead to a modest discount on a buyout if they keep him away but I think his playing time as a Knick is over in any event.
Now I wonder whether they re-sign Kanter and Beasley. Both, I suspect, badly want to stay and will give the Knicks a discount.
Then, if they get to draft one of the really talented 3s likely to be available in the 7-10 slot of the draft, I wonder if they trade Lee. Link - ( New Window )
I'd be shocked if kanter opted out...
If you can resign Beasley for a little less then mid level I would do it..
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are the Knicks gave up 3 firsts, including this years.
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lol, yes.
With the Knicks, you never know...
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That's a f*cking joke right?
lol, yes.
That's borderline bannable. Made me do my Fred Sanford impression. :)
Is this because of full on tank mode?
Is this because of full on tank mode?
He's been awful (biggest red flag is very poor defense despite being a plus plus athlete). Plus side is 37% from 3 (I was shocked) and an improved 12.5 PER.. still .31 WS/48... yuck
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Is this because of full on tank mode?
Its a good buy low player but hes been very bad. He doesnt really do anything well. Hopefully a change of scenery helps. Maybe Hornacek can help develop him...hahah.
And a sweetner of a 2nd rounder which was so valuable yesterday in the Hernangomez trade.
Meh, this reeks of just garbage. Not a fan of the trade.
I am curious to see what other action the Knicks get in today.
At this point, although I enjoy watching them, I'd like to see some returns for Lee and KOQ.
Leave Kanter here, I think he can be part of the future.
So the Knicks currently pick 38th and 49th in the 2nd round
37% year 2
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So the Knicks currently pick 38th and 49th in the 2nd round
Though with Trey Burke and Frank not sure where Mudiay gets minutes. Definitely has more upside than McDermott
37% year 2
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He may be a late bloomer. He's shown some improvement from his first year to his third.
Thankfully, we did not give up a first rounder.
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He may be a late bloomer. He's shown some improvement from his first year to his third.
Shooting 80% from FT, so it's not like he's a bad shooter in general. Could be shot selection and some mechanical stuff that is something that can improve.
I was one of them . KAT, Mudiay, KP was my top 3
Though with Trey Burke and Frank not sure where Mudiay gets minutes. Definitely has more upside than McDermott
Lance Thomas is my least favorite Knick. An overrated defender and horrible in offense.
We need to lose as many games as possible.
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Though with Trey Burke and Frank not sure where Mudiay gets minutes. Definitely has more upside than McDermott
Lance Thomas is my least favorite Knick. An overrated defender and horrible in offense.
Also one of the worst rebounders I've ever seen , times his jumps as poorly as possible and is low key very soft.
The Knicks could have acquired Elfrid Payton, a Scott Perry favorite, but they would not include Frank Ntilikina in the deal with Orlando. Instead, they went after Mudiay.
Yeah because Trey Burke hasnt been playing like our best PG. Oh, hes another Jimmer. Clown.
I feel like he always plays well vs the knicks though.
PG - Mudiay/Jack
SG - Frank/Burke
SF - Hardaway
PF - Beasley
C - Kanter
Jack does not do anything long term for us, but he would at least provide a veteran presence on 2nd unit
Come on knicks get me something for KOQ and Lee and this could be a solid day.
Hey, maybe we can find more Michigan stiffs and really make a major push for the #1 overall pick!
Guard rotation should be
Mudiay/Burke
THJR/Frank
and if they want to get some minutes for Dotson then THJR plays some SF.
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Grizz have had second-round pick offers for Tyreke Evans for weeks now. Have half an hour to decide whether theyll take them.
Came in the league at 19. He can definitely turn into something for us. He still has 3-4 years of development before he starts to hit his prime years.
He's 19 years old.
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Grizz have had second-round pick offers for Tyreke Evans for weeks now. Have half an hour to decide whether theyll take them.
I guess a pair of 2nd's for Willy doesn't seem so bad now
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I guess a pair of 2nd's for Willy doesn't seem so bad now
No, it does. Better off holding onto him and giving him minutes.
He did flash during some games but was fairly inconsistent. But remember, he was basically a HS kid coming into the NBA. Maybe was asked to do too much too early.
Nice job, every if he turns into Frenchie insurance. Gives us a nice, super young PG tandem who each bring a different skill set to the court, and more importantly, are pass first guys.
I reeeeeally hate the impatience.
Meanwhile Mudiay has not spoken to the Denver media all season. Should be interesting. lol
He did flash during some games but was fairly inconsistent. But remember, he was basically a HS kid coming into the NBA. Maybe was asked to do too much too early.
Nice job, every if he turns into Frenchie insurance. Gives us a nice, super young PG tandem who each bring a different skill set to the court, and more importantly, are pass first guys.
Carl, see the bolded text.
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Good, that makes me happy.
Hes still just 21 years of age.
There may be times where both are on the court, but neither one is a go-to scorer (as yet). I think we will see Mudiay starting with Frank coming off the bench.
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Spot-up: 34% (Avg)
Transition: 25% (Below Avg)
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There may be times where both are on the court, but neither one is a go-to scorer (as yet). I think we will see Mudiay starting with Frank coming off the bench.
Not with Jarrett Jack still on the roster
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I guess teams just assume they can fleece the Knicks. Once that's off the table, they make a reasonable trade.
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Again, Mudiay is now about the age that most kids are getting drafted out of college. He was basically a HS kid who was asked to run an NBA team, missed 14 games his rookie year with an ankle and never quite settled into the #1 role.
Ton of potential and I'm surprised they moved on from him. Unselfish kid by all accounts.
Apart from Jokic, who are you distributing the ball to? Who are the leaders on that team?
PHX loves nothing more then trading and trading for PGs. Just in the last couple years they have had what Dragic, Bledsoe, Knight, IT, and Elf? Im sure im forgetting someone
Now we finally have some pieces to sell and 25 teams are looking to dump guys and its a buyers market.
#knicksluck
KOQ will miss his backdoor pass if Mudiay isn't a cutter lol
I like Jack. Nice vet who's had a nice career. But he's going to be 35 to start next season and is signed only through next season.
I think he's a goner and they'll start the year with Mudiay, Frank and Burke.
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mandate PT for younger guys. Can't believe a playoff team wouldn't want Jacks as a backup PG/KOQ as a backup C/PF/Lee as a SG Would love to know what the offers were! Luckily,Hornacek finds new ways to lose so even w/the vets he'll fuck it up!
Jokic was a middle second round pick. As were Manu Ginobli, Millsap, Kukoc, M. Gasol, Dragic, P. Beverly, D. Green, Whiteside, etc.
Loading up on 2s, absent the ability or assets to acquire firsts is smart.
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Jokic was a middle second round pick. As were Manu Ginobli, Millsap, Kukoc, M. Gasol, Dragic, P. Beverly, D. Green, Whiteside, etc.
Loading up on 2s, absent the ability or assets to acquire firsts is smart.
So you've listed 10 players over how many years who were #2's? It's a crap shoot at best Take all those years of those players & list all the #2's that never amounted to anything!
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Jokic was a middle second round pick. As were Manu Ginobli, Millsap, Kukoc, M. Gasol, Dragic, P. Beverly, D. Green, Whiteside, etc.
Loading up on 2s, absent the ability or assets to acquire firsts is smart.
MO,
A guy on reddit did a comprehensive study of the 15 drafts through 2015 and basically found that if you don't have a top 5 pick of the second round the odds are very, very long.
You miss my point. Having a pick is no assurance that you get a good player. It does offer you the flexobility to grab a guy with interesting skills who fell out of the first. There are guys like those in every draft. Just gotta find them. That's why you pay scouts.
Not sure why you're complaining about having picks. Especially since we're giving up virtually nothing to acquire them.
Mcbuckets/Lee/KOQ aren't/weren't going land those types of picks. I don't care what's bandied about on this board.
Grab what picks you can and draft young players with athleticism. You never know when those picks will come in handy.
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So you've listed 10 players over how many years who were #2's? It's a crap shoot at best Take all those years of those players & list all the #2's that never amounted to anything!
You miss my point. Having a pick is no assurance that you get a good player. It does offer you the flexobility to grab a guy with interesting skills who fell out of the first. There are guys like those in every draft. Just gotta find them. That's why you pay scouts.
Not sure why you're complaining about having picks. Especially since we're giving up virtually nothing to acquire them.
No,I didn't miss your point. When you listen to Perry yesterday,he was almost drooling about getting the 2020,2021 #2 picks because the Knicks had traded those years away. Problem is,he traded away a kid who was 23,all rookie team,great contract for those picks. Hornacek has had a hard-on for the kid all year & used the "we have 4 centers"(really it was 3) as an excuse to not play him. Now with KP down & minutes available,Perry trades him for 2 #2's that won't play this year,next year or the following year. And,by next year,Hornacek will only be a bad memory. Second round picks are bought every year at the draft so Perry could have replenished his supply with Dolan's $$$. Willy was part of the future promotions all summer after a nice first season. His complete fall from grace is really unexplainable-I don't believe Hornacek's BS! So I don't agree with your statement "we're giving up virtually nothing to acquire them" We gave up a 23 year old who showed potential & with the KP situation,could have improved his stock-either to remain a Knick or increase his trade value. It takes virtually nothing to get a second round pick (Dolan's $$$$),so why give up a young asset?
<Maybe...but it's hard to tell when you don't get PT after showing you were pretty good the previous year!
Another year, another tankathon to end a season. Knicks have 26 games left. Anything can happen in the NBA, especially in March/April, but I can only see 3 games the Knicks will be favored- home against Dallas, Orlando,Chicago. And even those are iffy. They may be the worst team in the league without KP.
They are 4.5 games out of picking in the top 5. Brooklyn and the Lakers are between them who have zero incentive to tank. I really hope the Knicks play it smart and do everything possible to get a high draft pick. The 4th spot should be the goal- 42% at top 3 and 13.7% at number 1.
Makes sense,can't buy w/o a seller Luckily,there are always teams looking to sell on draft night!
I ask again, apart from dealing Frank/KP to acquire talent and/or firsts, you're going to upgrade the roster how? We aren't the Lakers. Teams aren't falling over themselves to give us young phenoms.
Courtney Lee should have been sold to the highest bidder to ensure that reality, and make time to play Frank, Dot, and Burke more. Now we have Mudiay. I wonder if he's there to be role model for the younger guards.
Jack should really be a player/coach at this point.
This is a guard's league. Mudiay is still really young and was a lottery pick because of his athleticism. Might as well take a flyer on him even if it cost McDermott.
I loved watching Doug play, but he doesn't fit into the team's plan.
Happened last year with Jordan Bell 38th overall. Also 39th pick was sold for cash. 4 2nd round picks were traded for cash last year alone. These are the types of moves the Knicks should be making.
Mudiay's advanced stats have all increased each year (per 36 m, per 100 Poss, PER and WS/48)
He probably won't ever be anything but a backup. But considering McBuckets was a throw-in in the Melo deal, this trade does not really have much downside.
Courtney Lee should have been sold to the highest bidder to ensure that reality, and make time to play Frank, Dot, and Burke more. Now we have Mudiay. I wonder if he's there to be role model for the younger guards.
Jack should really be a player/coach at this point.
Looking at the standings, number five is probably a stretch. More likely to be #8. But maybe they get lucky and get the #1 pick :))))
[quote] I get that everyone wants to see the young guys play. But sometimes those young guys haven't made the strides to earn playing time. It wasn't like Willy was an unknown. Until about last week, the team still had eyes on making the playoffs. Our star certainly did.
I ask again, apart from dealing Frank/KP to acquire talent and/or firsts, you're going to upgrade the roster how? We aren't the Lakers. Teams aren't falling over themselves to give us young phenoms.
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We seem to be on different pages I don't disagree that second round draft picks give us a chance to improve, even though the chance is small. The Willy situation was handled very strangely & the explanations for his lack of PT even stranger. Today,Alan Hahn (who sadly has become a lackey for management) said that there were issues w/Willy-he didn't want to go to the G-league & was disrespectful. Every thing we've read & seen about this kid tells us that couldn't be farther from the truth. Seems management saw the negative feedback yesterday & was putting out a narrative to justify the move.Your argument is about using picks to acquire talent & I agree.That's what the Knicks did to acquire Willy! So it's sad when you trade away a 23 year old asset. He may prove he wan't as good as we saw last year-then again he might.I would just have liked the opportunity to see what happens in the last 26 games of the season w/him as a Knick. Maybe this second round pick becomes a player with a future!
Starters:
Frank
THJr
KP
2018 pick
Bench:
Mudiay
Dotson
2018 Bulls 2nd
then plus a 2019 pick that should be rather high, $40 million in cap space, plus whatever they get in a Courtney Lee deal.
The Knicks could realistically have a starting lineup of
Frank
THJr
Reddish
Bagley
KP
with Dotson, Mudiay, a couple of second rounders and the ability to sign a max SG and move THJr to 6th man.
Only way I want to see the Knicks winning is it frank, mudiay or Burke establish themselves as building blocks along the way.
Mudiay - 40.1% FG%, 37.3 3PT%
Alleged "shooting guard", the 71 Million Dollar Man Tim Hardaway - 41.1% FG%, 31.9 3PT%
By KP getting hurt(and by no means am I suggesting this is a good thing)that this expedited the TANK and now the Knicks can get a legitimate star in this years lottery rich draft
Hopefully KP will come back healthy and the 2019-20 season can be the start of something big
Kyrie and Kawhi are FAs and with KP healthy and this years lottery and possibly 2019 lottery this team will have lots of talent
Lee and Thomas contract need to come off the books before their last year and Noah can always be stretched to become cap friendly to sign them
Unfortunately us fans need to suffer another two years
Fire Hirnacek and Rambis
Right now the Knicks don't need to worry about having a logjam at point guard, they need to worry about acquiring assets -- about getting more, younger, better guys with potential upside.
Mudiay and Frank can compete with each other, and let the best man win. If they're both good enough they can either play together or one can be traded. Same with Burke.
With the addition of Mudiay and Burke the Knicks now have a collection of talented young guards who seem to be on the upswing. Mudiay and Burke were highly rated prospects when drafted. They're still young. Will that group win a lot of games this season? Probably not. But they provide a base to deal from.
If all other teams maintain their winning percentage, the Knicks would end up with the 6th worst record in the League.
That would give the Knicks a 21.5% shot at a Top-3 pick and 43.9% chance at the #6 pick.
Just by moving up to 5th, it raises to 29.2% at Top-3 and a 26% shot at the #5 pick.
Moving up to 4th, it raises to 37.8% at Top 3, 9.9% at #4, and 35.1% at #5
Unfortunately the Knicks have a 5-game lead on 4th worst team because this franchise is a fucking disaster and can't do anything right.
I just hope hornacek doesn't fuck this up and play jack 30 minutes a night while mudiay burke and ntlikina sit on the bench...
After tonight jack can not be the starter, it is absolutely pointless
They haven't been tanking. They're this bad without trying to be this bad, lol.
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They haven't been tanking. They're this bad without trying to be this bad, lol.
Kp injury aside probably best thing that could happen, kp hopefully will come back to a young team with a top pick
Kornet's skill set is a better fit than Willy's. We'll see if this was just a mirage.
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They haven't been tanking. They're this bad without trying to be this bad, lol.
Hahahaha well said TTH
Me too. I always thought that Kornet had a chance because the 3 pt range is for real and he's very active on both offense and defense. You can see how the spacing changes on the floor when he's out there.
I definitely wanted them to bring him up and give him a chance, I just thought it would be after KOQ got traded instead of Willy.
I'd like Nigel Hayes to get a chance. His shooting really seems to be improved and he's definitely an NBA athlete. He has a chance to be a legit bench guy.
Sign kornet and hicks to rest of the year contracts..
Sign Hayes and Mayes to 2 way contracts..
Rotation should be
Mudiay/burke
Thjr/Frank
Lee
Beasley/hicks
Kanter/kornet
I would prefer Lee wouldn't play but he is the only small forward on the roster besides Thomas and well no
He looks like he still has some baby fat, he also looked hesitant, kornet on the other hand fired away..
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Hayes signed w/the Lakers
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Hayes signed w/the Lakers
Signed 10 day, waz not signed to second 10 day, he is back with Westchester knickz
Weird thing about Kornet was 2 years ago he shot the 3 ball really well, which was what Fran Frascila pointed to when praising the Knicks adding him, then for 2 years didn't shoot so well but when I saw him in the G league and summer league his shot looked pure. I'm NOT saying he's some future stud but I do think he could be an NBA player.
So here's the fucking plan. . Play the kids here for the rest of the season. Try like hell to win, nothing wrong with that, but they won't win much. Win 4-6 games tops--probably 4 but most important is get Frank, Mudiay, Burke and anyone else that is young as much burn as possible. Then, the night before the lottery, sacrifice a goat, a chicken and if no one is looking a homeless person or do exactly the opposite of whatever this shit franchise has done the last 25 years or so. Make the pick. Develop the pick. Nurture the pick. Try like hell in 2018-2019 but focus on youth and development. Bring KP along slowly. Even slower than slowly. Get KP back into game mode by the spring of next season and once again, do whatever is needed to gain ground on the nba lottery. Make that pick. Develop and nurture that pick. Summer of 2019 and Presto.... Four-five young athletic players in the fold along with KP. Spend wisely.
It's so simple even if it's a painful 500 day stretch. DON'T FUCK THIS UP!
They will.
You realize Knicks are one of the youngest team's in the nba right?
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Cleveland added a bunch of averageish players, and if Lebron leaves they'll likely toil in mediocrity for a few years.
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Cleveland added a bunch of averageish players, and if Lebron leaves they'll likely toil in mediocrity for a few years.
They added good, young, athletic, high IQ players, none with bad contracts --- I don't know how anybody can criticize what they did.
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Cleveland added a bunch of averageish players, and if Lebron leaves they'll likely toil in mediocrity for a few years.
They added good, young, athletic, high IQ players, none with bad contracts --- I don't know how anybody can criticize what they did.
They were good trades, but I don't think it helps them beat the Warriors.
It's a very good trade if Lebron stays, but if he leaves they are a very average basketball team. Not bad enough to tank, not good enough to be a top 5 seed.
How good or bad this trade was all depends on Lebron.
Dotson should get all of Thomas minutes as the backup 3...
Jack should no longer pkay, Breen mentioned this yesterday saying how jack will not have any minutes but I think he was just assuming...
We all know this won't happen. Though
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I really hope hornacek is smart enough not to keep starting jack and give the minutes to the 3 young points..
Mudiay should start with Frank and burke getting the backup 1 and 2 spots
He shouldn't need management to tell him, the team is not making the playoffs, jack is useless, even if he was trying to win mudiay is a better player
Doug McDermott is the ninth or tenth man in our rotation and a restricted free agent at season's end - we flipped him for a former lottery pick who our scouts probably liked.
But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.
Doug McDermott is the ninth or tenth man in our rotation and a restricted free agent at season's end - we flipped him for a former lottery pick who our scouts probably liked.
Michael Kay hates Phil Jackson, absolutely despises him...
He also has no idea what he is talking about, he once said if a NBA player misses a game if he doesn't miss the next game after that he is faking
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Management should be telling Hornaceck that his job depends on the development of the young players, not wins and losses.
He shouldn't need management to tell him, the team is not making the playoffs
What are you talking about? Of course it's not his decision to make. In what other sport are you okay with the coach deciding when it's time to stop trying to win games?
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Management should be telling Hornaceck that his job depends on the development of the young players, not wins and losses.
He shouldn't need management to tell him, the team is not making the playoffs
What are you talking about? Of course it's not his decision to make. In what other sport are you okay with the coach deciding when it's time to stop trying to win games?
Yeah rereading it you are right...
I just think it is obvious jack is done, he served his purprose
Who are we kidding though, jack will start until the last week of the season
But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.
The issue with that though....do players all of a sudden become good finishers? I feel like it's either an ability you have or dont have. Guy can become better shooters, but how does one become a better finisher?
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I think it's also shot selection. more than half his 2 ptrs are from mid range. He can't play that way. He's gotta do the Rockets style of every thing within 5 feet or beyond the arc.
But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.
The issue with that though....do players all of a sudden become good finishers? I feel like it's either an ability you have or dont have. Guy can become better shooters, but how does one become a better finisher?
In theory maybe there are exercises you can do to improve.
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I think it's also shot selection. more than half his 2 ptrs are from mid range. He can't play that way. He's gotta do the Rockets style of every thing within 5 feet or beyond the arc.
But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.
The issue with that though....do players all of a sudden become good finishers? I feel like it's either an ability you have or dont have. Guy can become better shooters, but how does one become a better finisher?
I do think there is an art to what a guy like kyrie does at the rim..
I think what he can change is not forcing bad shots at the rim, if it is not there kick it out or find the roll guy..
Derrick rose people consider a good finisher but how many times did he miss at the rim because of him forcing the shot?
I think we have to look to see if he is a bad finisher like shunper was or is just taking bad shots? There is a difference you can fix someone taking bad shots
I am not saying he can be westbrook but he needs to play angry when he attacks the rim
They let the rapper play The Hulk?
He played well at the beginning of the season and then December and January he played awful
Honestly I wanted him more than KP way back when, let's see how he gets used here. The Nuggets drafted Harris and Murray around the same time as well. Murray seems the most skilled and with the most "it" factor and Harris is solid, but it's kinda surprising Mudiay fell out of favor there so fast. It really isn't an exact science.
You have to wonder if kornet's presence motivated the Knicks to deal off Gomez. I mean the guy comes up and plays very well in game one, better than Gomez ever did from a pure NBA needs pov.
We all hate how they handled Gomez but if kornett is a legit big it would help validate the Knicks intentions.
Maybe the Knicks hope that his desire to actually play again will lead to a modest discount on a buyout if they keep him away but I think his playing time as a Knick is over in any event.
Now I wonder whether they re-sign Kanter and Beasley. Both, I suspect, badly want to stay and will give the Knicks a discount.
Then, if they get to draft one of the really talented 3s likely to be available in the 7-10 slot of the draft, I wonder if they trade Lee.
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Maybe the Knicks hope that his desire to actually play again will lead to a modest discount on a buyout if they keep him away but I think his playing time as a Knick is over in any event.
Now I wonder whether they re-sign Kanter and Beasley. Both, I suspect, badly want to stay and will give the Knicks a discount.
Then, if they get to draft one of the really talented 3s likely to be available in the 7-10 slot of the draft, I wonder if they trade Lee. Link - ( New Window )
I'd be shocked if kanter opted out...
If you can resign Beasley for a little less then mid level I would do it..