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Barkley versus Iowa

LS : 2/8/2018 9:14 pm
All 40 touches from this game. This is the type of back he is. Does he lower his shoulder and try to break tackles? Not often. But he doesn't take big hits either. So maybe he lasts in the league longer than the typical back. He makes people miss and then has the speed to make the defense pay. He blocks well. He catches the ball well. He gets yards when there is no place to go. He makes plays that leave you shaking your head. Bench pressed 455 pounds. Squats 650. Power cleans 405. Ran a 4.33 and has a 38" vertical. At 230 pounds. A freak of nature. For those that say he lacks vision? I really don't know what you're seeing. He gets in places most other backs just can't.
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arcarsenal : 2/8/2018 9:22 pm : link
He missed that one hole against Michigan two years ago, though...
Doesnít matter  
djstat : 2/8/2018 9:23 pm : link
Giants are not taking him at 2
Yeah...  
Zepp : 2/8/2018 9:23 pm : link
Barry Sanders never took tacklers head on either.

Not saying he's Barry Sanders but that criticism of him is weak if he has the speed and moves to evade tacklers.
Huge fan of Saquan  
est1986 : 2/8/2018 9:23 pm : link
And this isn't the first time I have heard this but I seriously doubt he runs a sub 4.4
RE: Doesnít matter  
Zepp : 2/8/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13827228 djstat said:
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Giants are not taking him at 2


Theyd be fools to pass him up.
RE: Huge fan of Saquan  
nyballa0891 : 2/8/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13827230 est1986 said:
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And this isn't the first time I have heard this but I seriously doubt he runs a sub 4.4


I also love Saquon, but dont think he runs a 4.3 either. Think he will run in low 4.4s...maybe high 4.3s
All 54 of his touchdowns  
LS : 2/8/2018 9:37 pm : link
at Penn State. Not too many goal line runs.
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Gunna be a bitch  
mrvax : 2/8/2018 9:46 pm : link
for Gettleman to take his highest ranked QB at #2 and turn around and work a deal for Barkley.
RE: RE: Huge fan of Saquan  
Ira : 2/8/2018 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13827232 nyballa0891 said:
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In comment 13827230 est1986 said:


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And this isn't the first time I have heard this but I seriously doubt he runs a sub 4.4



I also love Saquon, but dont think he runs a 4.3 either. Think he will run in low 4.4s...maybe high 4.3s


That sounds about right. But that combination of speed, power, instincts and hands could be enough to make him the best running back ever.
Still say you should never pass on generational  
Bill L : 2/8/2018 9:55 pm : link
So you can scoop up meh, merely for positionís sake.
Barkley is going #1  
brunswick : 2/8/2018 10:02 pm : link
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Devils Advocate  
twostepgiants : 2/8/2018 10:05 pm : link
Breakdown of his decision making. I like Barkley but no one is a guarantee
Critique of Barkley - ( New Window )
it is crazy  
Boatie Warrant : 2/8/2018 10:09 pm : link
How he just seems to bounce of people.
Barkley is lso impressive  
Rjanyg : 2/8/2018 10:22 pm : link
Josey Jewell ( #43 ) is considered a very good MLB and Saquon made him look like a statue in multiple occasions. Jump cuts, stutters, hurdles, short area quickness, exlposiveness, burst, cuts, hands, vision, elusiveness, and yes, some physicality.

This kid has it all and would make NYG a much better team.
How about his highlights against  
HomerJones45 : 2/8/2018 11:47 pm : link
Indiana and Rutgers?
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PatersonPlank : 2/8/2018 11:53 pm : link
In comment 13827227 arcarsenal said:
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He missed that one hole against Michigan two years ago, though...


LOL
Barkley @ #2 is way too high  
SHO'NUFF : 2/9/2018 4:34 am : link
but Zeke @ #4 is a good pick.
We had another guy who went down easy  
SHO'NUFF : 2/9/2018 4:36 am : link
his name was Tiki, and he would do a little hop to avoid injury.
RE: How about his highlights against  
LS : 2/9/2018 7:51 am : link
In comment 13827283 HomerJones45 said:
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Indiana and Rutgers?


Found Indiana, here you go. Opening kickoff TD, one handed catch, throws a TD pass, 123 yards and a couple of TDs.
Barkley Indiana 2017 - ( New Window )
I'm warming to the  
section125 : 2/9/2018 8:08 am : link
idea of Barkley or Chubb at #2. But, they cannot pass on a QB if one meets the criteria. Eli may be here for 2 years. There were some cracks the past two years which can be shrugged off, especially last year, when he had only have 1 legitimate NFL receiver for 80% of the year. Again, within 2 years Eli is likely gone. The team cannot be hung out to dry without a legitimate heir already on the team.
So I think the pick will be a QB. Once the combine is through there will be concrete evidence of the contenders and pretenders. My guess is Darnold is the golden boy at the moment(for all teams). Let's see what Rosen, Allen, Mayfield and Jackson look like at the workouts and pro days. To me, Rosen's only questionmarks are the concussions/injuries. So my guess is QB is the Giants #1 priority.
For every time I saw him go down in those Iowa clips....  
Britt in VA : 2/9/2018 8:41 am : link
I also saw him run through tackles up the middle and take hits when going for yards or diving for a TD. People see what they want to see, I guess.

The times he gave himself up? Well, I can't blame any college kid playing for free for protecting his body from unnecessary when millions of dollars loom on the horizon.
Bill L  
joeinpa : 2/9/2018 9:16 am : link
The argument for Barkley almost always seems to include something about it not being a good idea to pass on him for as you say, "positional sake"

That argument always seems to ignore that no one is advocating taking a quarterback for positional sake.

The argument is, if the Giants deem any of these quarterbacks a "franchise guy", they have to take him.

That s much different than what you suggest.

I don't t make many predictions, because I don't t know enough to feel comfortable doing so. But I am very confident Giants don't take Barkley
They won't  
PaulN : 2/9/2018 9:39 am : link
They will pick a franchise QB at 2 or trade back, that is by far the best two scenario's.
I think if you really listen to what Gettleman has said....  
Britt in VA : 2/9/2018 9:40 am : link
it's not as much of a lock taking a QB at 2 as some think.
I mean, I could easily see it happening as well....  
Britt in VA : 2/9/2018 9:40 am : link
but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion.
If the Giants are not sold on the top prospects at QB  
Mike from Ohio : 2/9/2018 9:44 am : link
I hope Barkley would be the pick, but I honestly don't think he will last to #2. If I were the Browns I would take Barkley and then the best of the QBs left at #4. If they truly do love Allen as had been reported, there is an excellent chance he is still there and they come away with Barkley and Allen.
He is a stud!  
mdthedream : 2/9/2018 10:45 am : link
Whether we take him no idea.
RE: Bill L  
Bill L : 2/9/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 13827383 joeinpa said:
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The argument for Barkley almost always seems to include something about it not being a good idea to pass on him for as you say, "positional sake"

That argument always seems to ignore that no one is advocating taking a quarterback for positional sake.

The argument is, if the Giants deem any of these quarterbacks a "franchise guy", they have to take him.

That s much different than what you suggest.

I don't t make many predictions, because I don't t know enough to feel comfortable doing so. But I am very confident Giants don't take Barkley
None of these guys seem that special. You could make an argument for Rosen maybe but there's a good chance he retires before Eli does. Too risky, IMO. The rest are forcing a position.
If Cleveland takes him  
Bluesbreaker : 2/9/2018 10:56 am : link
and it makes sense having a pick at #4 it will be a huge
let down no other player wows me like Barkley the next
best guy to me would be Chub .
If not taking a QB at #2; my argument for a trade down:  
Section331 : 2/9/2018 11:16 am : link
Letís say we trade the pick to NYJ for their 1st and 2nd rounders (#6 and 37), and the Giants take Q Nelson and Sony Michel. Would you rather have Saquan Barkley or Nelson AND Michel?

I think Barkley will be a tremendous pro, he does almost everything well, but with so many needs, I think weíd be better served taking the extra picks. To be clear, that is only if DG and PS donít feel any of the available QBs are worthy.
Wow! Along with all  
batman11 : 2/9/2018 11:44 am : link
his great running ability, he is a really good receiver. What a weapon this guy is going to be!
The guy I was most impressed with  
Peppers : 2/9/2018 12:34 pm : link
When watching Iowa vs Penn State 2017 was Josey Jewell.
I don't see a generational talent in that video.  
Mr. Bungle : 2/9/2018 1:31 pm : link
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Mr. Bungle  
XBRONX : 2/9/2018 1:36 pm : link
more like Mr. Magoo
Mr. Bungle  
XBRONX : 2/9/2018 1:37 pm : link
more like Mr. Magoo
OK,  
Mr. Bungle : 2/9/2018 3:58 pm : link
I guess the highlight where he tripped and fell before being tackled (0:35) was a glimpse at generational talent.

Or when he was in the open field against two defenders and didn't make either one miss (1:01).

Or when he went down near the sidelines from a single tackler (2:23).

Don't take it so personally. I'm sure he's going to be a good back in the NFL. He looks quick and has soft hands. But a slam-dunk at #2 he doesn't appear to be.
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sb from NYT Forum : 2/9/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13827227 arcarsenal said:
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He missed that one hole against Michigan two years ago, though...


I mean, can you really blame a guy for pretending to miss the big gaping hole and go for the other smaller hole? I try that trick all the time.
Duke Johnson redux  
HomerJones45 : 2/9/2018 4:34 pm : link
very good receiver.
I think Barkley is going #1  
AnyoneButPhilly : 2/9/2018 6:23 pm : link
Browns can grab a QB at 4 but Barkley wont make it that long
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Keith : 2/9/2018 6:54 pm : link
Disclaimer: I don't watch college football. Before this past week, I've watched maybe 5 Barkley runs all season. I've seen a few clips of him on youtube recently.

I clearly can't speak specifically about Barkley, but nobody has a clue how a college player will adjust to the NFL game. You have to do so much projecting, guessing and assuming when watching college players. You cannot call a college player a generational talent because the college game ends after their senior season.

I think people sometimes confuse generational talent with freakish physical attributes. The kid obviously has a very well rounded skill set, but the NFL is a different game against men.

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the idea of drafting a RB at 2 when the average life span or a RB is so damn short. It just seems like a bad business decision when you see how many good RB's there are around the league that weren't drafted early in the first round. Plus, with the way the rookie contracts are slotted, he'd immediately be on of the highest paid players at his position.

Not to mention, I think Gallman has shown some legit ability.
Not sure why people would pick Rosen  
Bill L : 2/9/2018 6:57 pm : link
While using longevity as a reason to not pick someone else.
RE: OK,  
santacruzom : 2/9/2018 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13827877 Mr. Bungle said:
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I guess the highlight where he tripped and fell before being tackled (0:35) was a glimpse at generational talent.

Or when he was in the open field against two defenders and didn't make either one miss (1:01).

Or when he went down near the sidelines from a single tackler (2:23).

Don't take it so personally. I'm sure he's going to be a good back in the NFL. He looks quick and has soft hands. But a slam-dunk at #2 he doesn't appear to be.


I dunno... no one's claiming he's, like, never been tackled.
The 54 TDs are very impressive. Has anyone ever caught this guy from  
Ivan15 : 2/9/2018 8:41 pm : link
behind?

Do all RBs make their cuts off their inside leg, or only the great ones?

My God! That is awesome.
RE: RE: OK,  
Mr. Bungle : 2/9/2018 9:27 pm : link
In comment 13828064 santacruzom said:
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In comment 13827877 Mr. Bungle said:


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I guess the highlight where he tripped and fell before being tackled (0:35) was a glimpse at generational talent.

Or when he was in the open field against two defenders and didn't make either one miss (1:01).

Or when he went down near the sidelines from a single tackler (2:23).

Don't take it so personally. I'm sure he's going to be a good back in the NFL. He looks quick and has soft hands. But a slam-dunk at #2 he doesn't appear to be.



I dunno... no one's claiming he's, like, never been tackled.

That response makes no sense.

Making guys miss in the open field and punishing tacklers are pretty important to see in a running back if you're considering using the #2 overall on him. Why didn't I see a lot of those things in that video?
RE: RE: RE: OK,  
Bill L : 2/9/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13828106 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 13827877 Mr. Bungle said:


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I guess the highlight where he tripped and fell before being tackled (0:35) was a glimpse at generational talent.

Or when he was in the open field against two defenders and didn't make either one miss (1:01).

Or when he went down near the sidelines from a single tackler (2:23).

Don't take it so personally. I'm sure he's going to be a good back in the NFL. He looks quick and has soft hands. But a slam-dunk at #2 he doesn't appear to be.



I dunno... no one's claiming he's, like, never been tackled.


That response makes no sense.

Making guys miss in the open field and punishing tacklers are pretty important to see in a running back if you're considering using the #2 overall on him. Why didn't I see a lot of those things in that video?
maybe that 305 yards crawler was blocking your field of view?
Crawler?  
Mr. Bungle : 2/9/2018 9:48 pm : link
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Itís also possible or probable that youíre the living embodiment  
Bill L : 2/9/2018 9:52 pm : link
Of ďthereís none so blind as those who refuse to seeĒ
RE: Itís also possible or probable that youíre the living embodiment  
Mr. Bungle : 2/9/2018 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13828118 Bill L said:
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Of ďthereís none so blind as those who refuse to seeĒ

Nothing personal, but your football analysis stinks.

If you have nothing to offer, why bother posting?
Although Iím not the one making specious claims  
Bill L : 2/10/2018 12:10 am : link
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The Barry Sanders comparisons  
RetroJint : 2/10/2018 8:29 am : link
are valid . That says enough about this guy and his talent. However it bears mentioning that in the fourth quarter against Ohio St he pretty much shut down . He was reduced to yelling at his teammates on the sideline . I realize the problem was with their line splits. Franklin admitted it later in the week. They were giving Bosa a short corner to turn, which you canít do on the road before over 100K.

Barkley, however, just stopped looking for holes. He went down easily. He had 3 plays in the game, one being the early kick-off return TD . Thatís a skill thatís been almost completely eliminated by rule change, in much the same way that the NHL took away Marty Brodeurís stick-handling talents.

The Giants arenít drafting him. He is an excellent talent. But I didnít like what I saw from him in that critical stretch of an important game.
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