...GBN notes that this projection is really about giving you, "...some idea (as to) what players are likely to be available at different spots in the draft." It's not about which precise player will go to which team in each round.
Giants go:
Round 1: Josh Rosen; QB; UCLA
Round 2: Will Hernandez; OG; UTEP
Round 3: Darius Leonard; LB; S.C. State
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That is an either/or situation. From what I've read and seen, Price is an ideal center that can play guard. Hernandez is an ideal guard that can play center. We need talent and would be wise to take either if available. For me, I would take the Southern Border Wall. Hernandez is an unmovable mountain of a man that no one is getting around.
That's debatable. There are no equivalent LBs in talent to Solder and Norwell. But it might be deeper, especially in the interior.
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Massive guard with shockingly quick feet. Who’s a better prospect price or Hernandez or is that a stupid question
That is an either/or situation. From what I've read and seen, Price is an ideal center that can play guard. Hernandez is an ideal guard that can play center. We need talent and would be wise to take either if available. For me, I would take the Southern Border Wall. Hernandez is an unmovable mountain of a man that no one is getting around.
Political?
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but I would probably focus both our 2nd and 3rd round picks on the OL and rely on FA to improve the linebacker corps. I think there is more LB talent in FA than there is OL talent available. I might take Cole or Miller in that situation.
That's debatable. There are no equivalent LBs in talent to Solder and Norwell. But it might be deeper, especially in the interior.
I'm not sure that its a good idea to pay Solder $10 million a year. If they draft a QB in the first it might be good to build a line that will grow with him
English Alaister... I understand your point, and I mean no disrespect, but sometimes even a meager meal is better than none at all. After all, what sort of traffic would have GBN accrued had I not posted this link in the first place?"
Either get a -much- bigger great olb/sam/stud type prospect at 3 for
....or stay more ...or less in the 6'2" 220 range and draft an actual safety that covers. Rd 3 would be rational for that.and convert if need be or move Collins.
As opposed to an undersized olb who has trouble in coverage ...which is neither here nor there.
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We shouldn't post the giants choices here as it may decrease his traffic. Colin is a big friend of the site and all round great guy so nosey on over to GBN and read it there and give him the traffic if you can guys.
English Alaister... I understand your point, and I mean no disrespect, but sometimes even a meager meal is better than none at all. After all, what sort of traffic would have GBN accrued had I not posted this link in the first place?"
I think you did a good thing posting it for sure. Just maybe keep it to the first rounder or something.
Additionally. Looks the de/lb tweeners are (finally and deservedly in my view) pushed down out of round one.
So. You flip it and work the trends. Grab an actual legit playmaking big safety or a great true and large enough (260?) lb/de in round 3, as opposed to a uni-task player or smaller lb who might learn to cover.
That would be more a late round project.
I don't think so. It's common and usually acceptable to post a snapshot/tease and then provide a link. Most people reading this thread will click on it, increasing Colin's traffic. If Colin disagrees, he'd let Eric know and we'd be told to stop.
English Alaister... I understand your point, and I mean no disrespect, but sometimes even a meager meal is better than none at all. After all, what sort of traffic would have GBN accrued had I not posted this link in the first place?"
Nothing wrong with how you handled it, thanks for posting.
In the second, for example, my guess is that in a perfect world the Giants would be looking for an OT, especially one with the LT potentially, or an edge rusher, but the pickings are kind of slim at both so a big road grader like Hernandez who fills a huge need makes some sense, but one could also make a case for any number of other guys including ERs Key and Landry (if they check out medically), OT Crosby and RB Michel.
In the third, we really wanted to go ER and there were several good ones available including OLBs Turay and Nwosu (and Boise State's Vander Esch went just ahead of the Giants pick). The problem we have with the DE/OLB situation is that its just not clear whether the Giants are going to stick with the 4-3 or transition to a 3-4 and that will really impact what kind of player they will be looking for. In the end, though, Leonard is one of our very favorite players in the draft. He's actually 229 and can really run. He's also position versatile and can cover and is the kind athletic LBs teams are looking for who they can keep on the field when they go 4-2-5.
As well, because the Giants pick at the top of the 4th round we also get a bit of an idea who might be available early on the third day. And there are a lot of players who we did not have in our first three rounds including OTs Jamarco Jones and Brandon Parker, RBs Josh Adams, John Kelly and Kalen Ballage; CBs Duke Dawson, Kevin Toliver and Tony Brown, and DEs Jost Sweat, Duke Ejiofor, Jayln Holmes and Chad Thomas. Lot of talent there. Should be fun.
- but someone else. Another prognosticator, said he couldn't cover or ' needs work' .
My 2 centavos. Look for PDs and INTs. otherwise it's an empty measure, speed. I haven't looked.
My guess. Look at pure value, and:
if in your scenario, 1 and 2 then within this pool at Rd 3:
(OLB/DE. ILB/SS. DT,NT)
and if there is a clear true value outlier at any of those, without any positional bias, draft him and adjust the D.
CBS was dead on for years. In the evals if not in the ranks. The evals tell.you what you need.and stats.and more stats.
I'm on your site practically every day now with the Draft in sight and the Giants picking so high and needing so much!
Very exciting!
Maybe Colin can chime in on the subject?
On a related note, the other thing you probably want to do if you have the 34th pick in the draft (in a draft where as many as a half dozen QBs get taken in the opening round) is come away with another first-round quality player at that spot, again rather than simply filling an immediate perceived need. In that context either of DE/OLBs Arden Key and/or Harold Landry could very well be in the mix if a) the Giants were indeed serious about transitioning to a 3-4) and b) that one or both passed their medicals (and in Key's case the off-field character test).
On a related note, the other thing you probably want to do if you have the 34th pick in the draft (in a draft where as many as a half dozen QBs get taken in the opening round) is come away with another first-round quality player at that spot, again rather than simply filling an immediate perceived need.
Also, the 66th overall pick is looking like a good spot to get value at the LB position. Leonard seems very much like a Gettleman type selection. Reese would be more likely to prefer Nwosu.
p.s.--I like RB John Kelly in the 4th round!
This is a BIG misconception. The great weakness of the OL is in the interior. It will not matter whether it is Eli, Davis or whomever is picked at #2 overall at QB. Edge rushers WILL get to the QB in the modern era.
What allows a QB to survive is the ability to "step up" in the pocket for scramble forward to get some yards. However, you CANNOT do that unless your interior OL can move people. The 2017 Giants interior OL was beyond terrible. NO ONE from the interior OL should be brought back for any reason. Replace in FA and the draft.
It will also impact on the run game. OT can stop guys from coming down the line, but unless you can move the NT and get a body on those small quick LB, you aren't going far.
Seriously, the Giants need 3 new interior OL. Flowers really should not be considered as an OG- he showed enough improvement at OT, with inconsistent foot and handwork that he could be fine at RT. However, he simply does not have the footwork to be effective in getting to the second level as an OG- and his hand placement would be even more ineffective against those big DT/NT types.
Rich you make a very good point about the middle of the line. In this era of shorter drops and quicker releases, a lot of teams now consider C as almost as important as LT. In that context I had a couple of scouts quite independently tell me before last year's draft that they thought Chad Wheeler might ultimately make a very good NFL C.
That said, it is far easier to find a guard either in free agency or later in the draft. Look what a LT like Whitworth got in free agency at his age last year. Orlando Brown is projected to go around the middle of the draft. He looks like Flowers as a LT. It’s a difficult position. Interior is also difficult but not as difficult.
He hehe. And that Pugh at the time '16..'17..was our best left tackle. No...end ..of flack from the peanut gallery.
All that said, though.
By all means adress guard and tackle as well etc. Agree that Jones is a far better center than flowers is a left tackle though.