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Big Rick in FL : 2/10/2018 3:33 pm
Per Schefter on Twitter. Vikings denied permission for us to speak to Stefanski. Wow!
Time to drop a Deuce  
The_Boss : 2/10/2018 3:35 pm : link
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I'm genuinely shocked by this  
Big Rick in FL : 2/10/2018 3:36 pm : link
They fucked the guy over for OC and are going to deny a request for a loyal guy whose been there for 10+ heads.
I can't imagine  
Ross : 2/10/2018 3:36 pm : link
the Stefanski is happy, unless they make it worth his while.

God  
allstarjim : 2/10/2018 3:37 pm : link
No Duce Staley, please.
They suck  
jeff57 : 2/10/2018 3:37 pm : link
Time to move on to plan C.
RE: They suck  
Big Rick in FL : 2/10/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13828550 jeff57 said:
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Time to move on to plan C.


You mean Plan B? Stefanski was Plan A.
Yikes.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/10/2018 3:42 pm : link
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Damn  
Devour the Day : 2/10/2018 3:42 pm : link
Ziggy the Dick
Darrell Bevell might be next  
TheMick7 : 2/10/2018 3:44 pm : link
Reich could be HC w/Colts Eagles are not going to let Duce go!
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Big Blue Hokie : 2/10/2018 3:45 pm : link
Complete Bush League
What goes around...  
Ed A. : 2/10/2018 3:45 pm : link
comes around. Hope Gants remember this and gives no consideration to the Vikings in the future.
RE: Darrell Bevell might be next  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 2/10/2018 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13828557 TheMick7 said:
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Reich could be HC w/Colts Eagles are not going to let Duce go!


Is Duce under contract?
Bad look for Minnesota  
Mkdaman1818 : 2/10/2018 3:48 pm : link
Vikings gonna introduce some bad blood with this move... assistants will see this bs and not wanna go to Minnesota if they have another option
RE: RE: They suck  
jeff57 : 2/10/2018 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13828551 Big Rick in FL said:
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Time to move on to plan C.



You mean Plan B? Stefanski was Plan A.


DFlip.
This is a horrible rule  
adamg : 2/10/2018 3:58 pm : link
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Odd to me that QB coach -> OC  
NYerInMA : 2/10/2018 3:59 pm : link
isn't considered a promotion and can therefore be blocked.
Philly can  
Defenderdawg : 2/10/2018 4:00 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano (@RVacchianoSNY)
2/10/18, 3:58 PM
This is unexpected, but within the rules. Giants could turn to Eagles RBs coach Duce Staley as their OC now ó although Philly can deny permission for him, too.
Jeff  
Big Rick in FL : 2/10/2018 4:00 pm : link
The Giants had no interest in Defilippo.
Darrell Bevell...  
GFAN52 : 2/10/2018 4:02 pm : link
is not under contract.
Might as well just pick Bevell  
jeff57 : 2/10/2018 4:04 pm : link
Shurmurís going to be calling the plays anyway.
I would expect Philly to deny permission  
AcesUp : 2/10/2018 4:05 pm : link
Until they know if Reich is sticking around. Surprising move by the Vikings since they just hired over the guy outside of the organization. Really stupid rule.
RE: I'm genuinely shocked by this  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13828545 Big Rick in FL said:
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They fucked the guy over for OC and are going to deny a request for a loyal guy whose been there for 10+ heads.

It happens more often than fans realize. For one thing, we're more likely to pay attention when it happens to the Giants. For another, when it happens during a hiring flurry, it doesn't always get reported.

With regards to Stefanski, he was under contract. They clearly view him as an asset (especially with a very unsettled QB situation on their own roster). That's how contracts work. Had he been a bad coach, rather than a good one, they'd have been on the hook for his contract value if they decided to fire him. Why should they be obligated to let him go just because he did a good job, particularly at a time when they may feel they need his skill set?

Maybe they wanted compensation for him in order to let him go (purely my own speculation). Compare it to players, for example. Should the Patriots have just released Garoppolo from his contract because the 49ers wanted to essentially give him a promotion and significantly increase his salary? Or were they completely justified in getting something in return for an asset (and arguably, not even nearly enough at that)?
RE: What goes around...  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 2/10/2018 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13828559 Ed A. said:
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comes around. Hope Gants remember this and gives no consideration to the Vikings in the future.


The thing is, by doing this you screw over your own, loyal coaches who did a good job and are now looking to move up. That's not fair to them.
Was he really their first choice?  
Rflairr : 2/10/2018 4:06 pm : link
Why would they wait this long to ask for permission?

I donít think itís a big deal, since we know its Shurmurís offense and heís calling the plays. Just want someone that is good at putting together a game plan and adjusting.

Iíd like to see them go after Chudzinski
RE: Philly can  
RobCarpenter : 2/10/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13828569 Defenderdawg said:
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Ralph Vacchiano (@RVacchianoSNY)
2/10/18, 3:58 PM
This is unexpected, but within the rules. Giants could turn to Eagles RBs coach Duce Staley as their OC now ó although Philly can deny permission for him, too.


Yet they just gave one team permission to hire a position coach as an OC.

I guess the Vikings arenít feeling the love for their former OC.
RE: Bad look for Minnesota  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13828561 Mkdaman1818 said:
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Vikings gonna introduce some bad blood with this move... assistants will see this bs and not wanna go to Minnesota if they have another option

This happens fairly regularly. You know, the Giants did this to Peter Giunta a few years back. Have any assistants avoided the Giants because of the "bad blood" they introduced by blocking Giunta? Every team has blocked an assistant at one point or another.
RE: RE: Philly can  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13828581 RobCarpenter said:
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Ralph Vacchiano (@RVacchianoSNY)
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This is unexpected, but within the rules. Giants could turn to Eagles RBs coach Duce Staley as their OC now ó although Philly can deny permission for him, too.



Yet they just gave one team permission to hire a position coach as an OC.

I guess the Vikings arenít feeling the love for their former OC.

DeFilippo's contract was set to expire this coming Wednesday. They gave him permission to interview a week before that, but he could have just waited for the contract to run out and then moved on to Minnesota anyway.
we  
Mr. Nickels : 2/10/2018 4:13 pm : link
did take their oc
RE: Was he really their first choice?  
AcesUp : 2/10/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13828579 Rflairr said:
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Why would they wait this long to ask for permission?

I donít think itís a big deal, since we know its Shurmurís offense and heís calling the plays. Just want someone that is good at putting together a game plan and adjusting.

Iíd like to see them go after Chudzinski


Vikings OC position was unsettled and they were waiting on the Eagles to finish so they could interview DeFilippo. The Giants correctly waited out that situation before requesting permission to interview Stefanski. It was widely assumed he would not be blocked if they opted for DeFilippo, which is why this is a surprise to most.
RE: Jeff  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13828570 Big Rick in FL said:
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The Giants had no interest in Defilippo.

Says who? Just because you decided that he's overrated, you've now also decided that the Giants never had any interest in him?
The Vikings might argue that...  
Milton : 2/10/2018 4:15 pm : link
...it's a promotion in title only, given that Shurmer will be calling the plays and installing the offense. If he is highly valued for his QB coaching skill, why should they let him leave to basically have the same role with the Giants?

I'm not saying I agree with that argument, but it's another way of looking at it.
DeFillipo is most certainly going to be HC next season.  
OdellBeckhamJr : 2/10/2018 4:16 pm : link
Stefanski is the Vikings insurance when DeFillipo leaves next year.
DeFilippo and Stefanski  
AcesUp : 2/10/2018 4:17 pm : link
I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
41-0 still stings, I guess.  
Sarcastic Sam : 2/10/2018 4:23 pm : link
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Gatorade  
Big Rick in FL : 2/10/2018 4:25 pm : link
I know it happens, but normally under different circumstances like if they intent on promoting an in house candidate. I'm shocked because they went outside of the organization to hire an OC over a guy whose been there for 10+ years. Then don't let him take a promotion to go to a team of their OC who just left.


Anybody know other young QB coaches put there?


In regards to DeFillipo. I don't think we had much interest in him. Our beat writers stated that quite a few times. We didn't request permission to even interview him.
RE: DeFillipo is most certainly going to be HC next season.  
Beer Man : 2/10/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13828592 OdellBeckhamJr said:
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Stefanski is the Vikings insurance when DeFillipo leaves next year.
I saw on another thread that Stefanski only has a year left on his Vikings contract. If so, he can do what he wants next year. I wonder if this is the Vikings looking for compensation.
RE: RE: Jeff  
Big Rick in FL : 2/10/2018 4:27 pm : link
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The Giants had no interest in Defilippo.


Says who? Just because you decided that he's overrated, you've now also decided that the Giants never had any interest in him?


Ummm all of our beat writers have been saying it. Also the Giants who didn't even request permission to interview him.
Agree with Gary  
TommytheElephant : 2/10/2018 4:30 pm : link
Take the Giants out of the equation - the Vikings are setting an AWFUL precedent here AND screwing over Stefanski
RE: RE: RE: Jeff  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 4:30 pm : link
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The Giants had no interest in Defilippo.


Says who? Just because you decided that he's overrated, you've now also decided that the Giants never had any interest in him?



Ummm all of our beat writers have been saying it. Also the Giants who didn't even request permission to interview him.

I don't read the beats religiously, but I don't recall any of them saying that. Maybe what I read is old news and/or outdated, but everything I saw showed KS, JD and DS all as candidates, with Darrell Bevell entering the conversation recently.

As for not asking for permission to interview, his contract was set to expire in less than a week, and if Stefanski was their top choice anyway, there wouldn't have been any urgency to get to DeFilippo before Stefanski. That does not equate to "no interest" though.
RE: Agree with Gary  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13828604 TommytheElephant said:
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Take the Giants out of the equation - the Vikings are setting an AWFUL precedent here AND screwing over Stefanski

Same as the Giants did with Peter Giunta?
This makes no sense  
AdamBrag : 2/10/2018 4:32 pm : link
This is going to look really bad and they only keep him for one more year.

Tough break for the Giants. They need to figure out a really impactful QB coach now.
RE: DeFilippo and Stefanski  
Rflairr : 2/10/2018 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13828593 AcesUp said:
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.


Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
RE: RE: DeFilippo and Stefanski  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 4:39 pm : link
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.



Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?

Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
Wolf grew up a Giants fan.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/10/2018 4:39 pm : link
Doesn't mean anything but always thought that was interesting. Fuck Zimmer.
Yes, denying permission is not uncommon  
robbieballs2003 : 2/10/2018 4:44 pm : link
But how common is it that you have an opening for an OC amd you pass on your in-house guy for an unproven guy that has no ties to the HC or organization and then tell the giy you have worked with for 10 years that he is important to the success of your team? Bush league. The Eagles denied DeFilippo to interview for the Jets OC job but it isn't like the Eagles had an opening at OC and they had a young QB that DeFilippo worked well with. Minnesota has no QB right now.
A guy like Bevell  
old man : 2/10/2018 4:46 pm : link
talented but currently unemployed, would likely want to jump back in and reestablish his name and credibility to get back up into a top OC position.
If he's only here a year, and does a good job, especially if we grab a QB who develops quickly, and tightens up some of Eli's weak points, he's gone but will have done his job.
Unless he has a shot in Indy or Philly, which means more waiting.
I think the Vikings see DeFilippo as a short term hire...  
GFAN52 : 2/10/2018 4:48 pm : link
since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.
RE: I think the Vikings see DeFilippo as a short term hire...  
robbieballs2003 : 2/10/2018 4:49 pm : link
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since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.


Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.
Loser franchise thatís choked at every  
bubba0825 : 2/10/2018 4:58 pm : link
Turn of there existence
RE: RE: I think the Vikings see DeFilippo as a short term hire...  
GFAN52 : 2/10/2018 4:58 pm : link
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since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.



Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.


I don't disagree with you, but just trying to state what the Vikings rational might have been. It's certainly going to be awkward this season when you have DeFilippo running the offense as OC in the job Stefanski was passed over for.
RE: RE: RE: DeFilippo and Stefanski  
Rflairr : 2/10/2018 5:02 pm : link
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.



Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?


Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?


No because they probably would have also told him, they werenít given permission no matter what. Because thatís what happened
BS Duce or Bevell the only Choices  
Dave in VA : 2/10/2018 5:03 pm : link
In this big wide world of football...this is all the NY Football Giants can come up with....Bevell or Duce....that is BS...beat the bushes....got to be plenty of guys that have something to offer.... I don't want Duce in a NYG coaching staff.....I prefer to remember him as a great adversary....and I especially dont want to go begging the Eagles....let's find our own OC
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Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 5:04 pm : link
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.



Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?


Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?



No because they probably would have also told him, they werenít given permission no matter what. Because thatís what happened

You're right. What ends up happening is always what people say three weeks earlier.

Like when you said there was no chance Jerry Reese would be fired.
RE: RE: RE: I think the Vikings see DeFilippo as a short term hire...  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 5:06 pm : link
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since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.



Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.



I don't disagree with you, but just trying to state what the Vikings rational might have been. It's certainly going to be awkward this season when you have DeFilippo running the offense as OC in the job Stefanski was passed over for.

For anyone who works in management and was ever hired as an external candidate for a job that has a team of direct reports, I can almost guarantee single every one of you has managed someone who was passed over for the job you got.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think the Vikings see DeFilippo as a short term hire...  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 5:07 pm : link
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since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.



Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.



I don't disagree with you, but just trying to state what the Vikings rational might have been. It's certainly going to be awkward this season when you have DeFilippo running the offense as OC in the job Stefanski was passed over for.


For anyone who works in management and was ever hired as an external candidate for a job that has a team of direct reports, I can almost guarantee single every one of you has managed someone who was passed over for the job you got.

Every single, not single every. Long day haha.
Don't know if this was mentioned  
kelsto811 : 2/10/2018 5:12 pm : link
But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer
RE: Don't know if this was mentioned  
robbieballs2003 : 2/10/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13828642 kelsto811 said:
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But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer


Did he also write a note to Zimmer that says check one.

Do you like me?
__ Yes
__ No
__ Maybe
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Rflairr : 2/10/2018 5:15 pm : link
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.



Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?


Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?



No because they probably would have also told him, they werenít given permission no matter what. Because thatís what happened


You're right. What ends up happening is always what people say three weeks earlier.

Like when you said there was no chance Jerry Reese would be fired.


lol. Absolutely no correlation. But carry on
RE: 41-0 still stings, I guess.  
Mr. Bungle : 2/10/2018 5:17 pm : link
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Except nobody from the 2000 Vikings is still in the organization, including ownership.
RE: Don't know if this was mentioned  
Rflairr : 2/10/2018 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13828642 kelsto811 said:
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But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer


Why would he have to do that? Iím sure he has a good enough relationship with Shurmur, where he would simply tell him heís not Interested. Youíre basically saying he would do something a coward would do.
Iím not going to make too big a deal of this  
Chris684 : 2/10/2018 5:21 pm : link
as you have to believe Shurmurís hands on approach with the offense, calling plays, etc. probably minimizes to an extent, the role of the OC on this staff. However, never underestimate the importance of staff hires (all we have to do is think back to the Coughlin days, Hufnagel, etc) and Iím sure Shurmur still needs that guy who is going to be on the same page and serve as an extension of him and his approach to offense.

I am on record as wanting to go with Wilks. Part of that was the feeling that we could get him signed and into the building way ahead of the game to start building a staff as the other potential head coaches and staff hires were heavily focused on Philly, NE and Minnesota who were playing deep into Jan/Feb.

All that said, hopefully we look to Staley or my personal favorite Stoutland but if Iím Philly, why am I letting either one of those guys out of the building. With Reich as a HC candidate in Indy itís likely one of those two is elevated to OC in Philly anyway.
Maybe Zimmer is a Cowboy at heart  
ghost718 : 2/10/2018 5:21 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: DeFilippo and Stefanski  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 5:22 pm : link
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.



Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?


Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?



No because they probably would have also told him, they werenít given permission no matter what. Because thatís what happened


You're right. What ends up happening is always what people say three weeks earlier.

Like when you said there was no chance Jerry Reese would be fired.



lol. Absolutely no correlation. But carry on

You do understand that it's entirely possible that they hadn't decided three weeks ago that they were going to block Stefanski, right? They didn't even have to consider it themselves until they settled their own OC situation.

So to your point that they could have just said they weren't going to allow him to interview regardless, while that did wind up being the outcome, that doesn't mean that they didn't say to Shurmur, in complete good faith, that they weren't even going to consider it one way or the other until they had their own OC situation figured out.

The outcome does not define the steps that previously occurred along the way.
RE: Don't know if this was mentioned  
GFAN52 : 2/10/2018 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13828642 kelsto811 said:
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But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer


Wait, what?

RE: RE: DeFilippo and Stefanski  
AcesUp : 2/10/2018 5:32 pm : link
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.



Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?


Because that is when you are most likely to receive permission. In addition, the Vikings OC position is a better position than the Giants OC, especially to an incumbent. I doubt the Giants were his first choise, they had to wait out the Vikings.

Also, if he wasn't their first choice, why haven't they interviewed or requested to interview anybody else for that position until this week? This is an easy one to deduce.
RE: BS Duce or Bevell the only Choices  
RobCarpenter : 2/10/2018 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13828635 Dave in VA said:
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In this big wide world of football...this is all the NY Football Giants can come up with....Bevell or Duce....that is BS...beat the bushes....got to be plenty of guys that have something to offer.... I don't want Duce in a NYG coaching staff.....I prefer to remember him as a great adversary....and I especially dont want to go begging the Eagles....let's find our own OC


? You know Shurmur used to coach for the Eagles, right?

Being loyal to only Ďtrue NY Giantsí as coaches is foolish.
RE: RE: DeFilippo and Stefanski  
antdog24 : 2/10/2018 5:44 pm : link
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.



Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?


They were waiting to see if Stefanski was going to get the OC job in Minn. When he got passed up for Defilippo they asked for permission.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/10/2018 5:48 pm : link
Dick move on the part of the Vikings.
RE: RE: Don't know if this was mentioned  
kelsto811 : 2/10/2018 5:52 pm : link
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But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer



Why would he have to do that? Iím sure he has a good enough relationship with Shurmur, where he would simply tell him heís not Interested. Youíre basically saying he would do something a coward would do.


Lol it was just a thought. Not a very well thought out one I guess.
I guess I'm not surprised. Had to know something was  
Blue21 : 2/10/2018 5:56 pm : link
creating the delay. They didn't want to give up two coaches to a team especially an NFC team. Wouldn't be surprised if Eagles are doing the same on Duce in case they lose their OC
We shall persevere and survive  
Reb8thVA : 2/10/2018 6:06 pm : link
This is a speed bump. Nothing more nothing less.
Iíll simply say that ... ...  
Spider56 : 2/10/2018 6:07 pm : link
Iím suddenly glad these a holes lost to the Eagles ... Itís piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ... hopefully karma visits the twin cities.
Trying to think of the Andy Reid coaching tree  
Reb8thVA : 2/10/2018 6:13 pm : link
Brad Childress and Marty Mohrinweig are still out there I think. Not that I am advocating for either
Ben McAdoo  
SHO'NUFF : 2/10/2018 6:14 pm : link
come on down!
RE: ...  
Jim in Tampa : 2/10/2018 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13828668 Eric from BBI said:
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Dick move on the part of the Vikings.


It's a dick move when the other team does it to yours, but when your team does it...it's just business.

I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want to lose two of their offensive coaches to the NYG.
Jim  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/10/2018 6:15 pm : link
It's a dick move because Stefanski interviewed with the Vikings for their OC job and was turned down. He's got one year left on his contract. It was a dick move.
I smell a rat.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 2/10/2018 6:18 pm : link
Shurmur seems like a smart guy. I donít think he would have waited around this long for Stefanski if he had reason to believe Zimmer was goin to block him.
RE: Iíll simply say that ... ...  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13828697 Spider56 said:
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Itís piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...

In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.

Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage.

Link - ( New Window )
RE: Trying to think of the Andy Reid coaching tree  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 6:20 pm : link
In comment 13828705 Reb8thVA said:
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Brad Childress and Marty Mohrinweig are still out there I think. Not that I am advocating for either

Darrell Bevell is from that same tree. He was OC under Childress in Minnesota.
RE: RE: Iíll simply say that ... ...  
Jim in Tampa : 2/10/2018 6:26 pm : link
In comment 13828715 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Itís piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...


In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.

Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )


Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.

I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.

I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.
RE: RE: RE: Iíll simply say that ... ...  
robbieballs2003 : 2/10/2018 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13828725 Jim in Tampa said:
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Itís piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...


In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.

Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )



Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.

I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.

I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.


Once again, different circumstances. Did the Giants interview these coaches for a promotion, hire someone outside the organization without any connection, and then deny them permission to seek a promotion? It is one thing to deny permission for a promotion and another to tell a guy how much they value him but pass him over.
RE: RE: RE: Iíll simply say that ... ...  
BigBlueShock : 2/10/2018 6:39 pm : link
In comment 13828725 Jim in Tampa said:
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Itís piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...


In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.

Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )



Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.

I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.

I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.

Oh please. Give me a break. You really think that we believe that you remember the threads when Guinta was denied permission? Iíll go out on a limb and say there was probably people on those threads calling out the Giants. Unless of course you think that every single poster has the same opinion, which has never happened in the history of BBI.

The Giants were dicks for blocking guys of a chance at career advancement and so are the Vikings. Why does it have to be one or the other? You can also continue to ignore the fact that this guy interviewed for the promotion and got turned down by the Vikings. That to me makes it a different situation. If Guinta had interviewed for a coordinator job and got beat by an outsider, it would absolutely be a dick move by the Giants to not allow him to interview with another team.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Iíll simply say that ... ...  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13828731 robbieballs2003 said:
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Itís piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...


In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.

Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )



Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.

I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.

I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.



Once again, different circumstances. Did the Giants interview these coaches for a promotion, hire someone outside the organization without any connection, and then deny them permission to seek a promotion? It is one thing to deny permission for a promotion and another to tell a guy how much they value him but pass him over.

You sure about that?

Peter Giunta interviewed for DC with the Giants before they eventually settled on Bill Sheridan and denied permission for him to interview elsewhere in the very same offseason. Granted, it was an internal promotion for Sheridan, so it's not exactly apples to apples, but that's almost splitting hairs. The point is, Giunta was passed over and blocked by the Giants in the same offseason.

Giants interviewed Giunta (NYT)

Giants blocked Giunta (BBI)
RE: RE: BS Duce or Bevell the only Choices  
paesan98 : 2/10/2018 6:50 pm : link
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In this big wide world of football...this is all the NY Football Giants can come up with....Bevell or Duce....that is BS...beat the bushes....got to be plenty of guys that have something to offer.... I don't want Duce in a NYG coaching staff.....I prefer to remember him as a great adversary....and I especially dont want to go begging the Eagles....let's find our own OC



? You know Shurmur used to coach for the Eagles, right?

Being loyal to only Ďtrue NY Giantsí as coaches is foolish.


Had to really laugh at the being loyal to only true NY Giants as coaches. As soon as we do that, you'll have that contingent come out of the woodwork complaining that this is more of the same old shit, this organization will never learn,yada yada yada
dick move?  
bc4life : 2/10/2018 6:51 pm : link
Losing your OC and QB coach in one off season is a lot.
And that was a dick move and I am pretty sure Giants fans agreed.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/10/2018 6:51 pm : link
Obviously not all because BBI isn't one person and neither are all Giants fans. But, if I am not mistaken, some said it was a dick move at the time.
RE: And that was a dick move and I am pretty sure Giants fans agreed.  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13828750 robbieballs2003 said:
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Obviously not all because BBI isn't one person and neither are all Giants fans. But, if I am not mistaken, some said it was a dick move at the time.

I'm sure some did. You can pick any opinion on the planet and someone on BBI has agreed with it at one point or another. But there wasn't the outrage that there is now because we're on the other end of it.

My point has been more about those who keep saying that other coaching candidates will avoid the Vikings in the future as though this scenario is some sort of rare event.

Every team has done this. Future coaching hires will not be affected. Is it a dick move? Yeah, probably. Does it suck if this was Shurmur's preferred OC? Absolutely. Are the Vikings now going to be shunned by future coaching candidates? Not a chance.
This is absolutely a dick move  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2018 7:10 pm : link
Stefanski should be upset about this. They passed him over for a promotion by someone outside the organization and then they don't allow him to come here for a promotion? This isn't a good decision as it might deter future coaches from picking Minnesota if they have multiple options. If Stefanski wants to be a HC someday he first needs to establish himself as an OC.
RE: RE: Agree with Gary  
djstat : 2/10/2018 7:14 pm : link
In comment 13828606 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Take the Giants out of the equation - the Vikings are setting an AWFUL precedent here AND screwing over Stefanski


Same as the Giants did with Peter Giunta?
Teams do it every year. It is not a bad precedent. It is how it goes. Itís how teams can build a staff with continuity. Teams do it every year. Eagles Didnít let DeDellipe interview last year. Hell Andy Reidís denied Spagnulo the chance to leave Filthy in Ď06 and wound up losing him to NYG in Ď07.

Deal with it.
RE: This is absolutely a dick move  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 7:14 pm : link
In comment 13828764 Jay on the Island said:
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Stefanski should be upset about this. They passed him over for a promotion by someone outside the organization and then they don't allow him to come here for a promotion? This isn't a good decision as it might deter future coaches from picking Minnesota if they have multiple options. If Stefanski wants to be a HC someday he first needs to establish himself as an OC.

Hahaha and just like that...

Not a chance in hell it deters future coaches.
RE: RE: RE: Agree with Gary  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 7:16 pm : link
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Take the Giants out of the equation - the Vikings are setting an AWFUL precedent here AND screwing over Stefanski


Same as the Giants did with Peter Giunta?

Teams do it every year. It is not a bad precedent. It is how it goes. Itís how teams can build a staff with continuity. Teams do it every year. Eagles Didnít let DeDellipe interview last year. Hell Andy Reidís denied Spagnulo the chance to leave Filthy in Ď06 and wound up losing him to NYG in Ď07.

Deal with it.

Are you arguing with me by making the same point I've been making through the entire thread? Interesting approach.
RE: ...  
JCin332 : 2/10/2018 7:18 pm : link
In comment 13828668 Eric from BBI said:
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Dick move on the part of the Vikings.


This...
Absolutely it was a dick move....  
Simms11 : 2/10/2018 7:20 pm : link
Yea the Giants have done it, but what were the circumstances? This is a kick in the nuts to a guy who could have come in here and slowly gained experience as an OC, from one of the more successful and experienced former OCs in the league, and then perhaps could have learned to call a game at some point on his own. In Minn, he remains a QB Coach and works under a guy whose never game-planned or called a game. I donít know, but this would have been in Stefanskiís best interest. Thatís not how you take care of people. So much for loyalty in this league.
RE: RE: This is absolutely a dick move  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2018 7:23 pm : link
In comment 13828767 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Stefanski should be upset about this. They passed him over for a promotion by someone outside the organization and then they don't allow him to come here for a promotion? This isn't a good decision as it might deter future coaches from picking Minnesota if they have multiple options. If Stefanski wants to be a HC someday he first needs to establish himself as an OC.


Hahaha and just like that...

Not a chance in hell it deters future coaches.

OK well if you are a promising young assistant and the Vikings and team B offer you the same position you might be hesitant to take the Vikings job as they might not let you leave. I wasn't saying that nobody will take the Vikings job but I can promise you it COULD be a factor.
Guess they thought  
bc4life : 2/10/2018 7:24 pm : link
they needed him
Those bastards ....!  
short lease : 2/10/2018 7:30 pm : link
Seriously , -

In the real world if a better opportunity comes along, you resign your position with (usually) a 2 week notice and you move up the corporate latter. I guess these guys are considered labor in the same sense as the players?

Denying permission seems so .... anti-american. I guess they don't want key parts of their coaching staff all going to the same place. Too much familiarity if the Giants have to face the Vikings in the NFC championship next year?

That's why I always sign contracts with my pen ... (the one filled with invisible ink).
Got to wonder how Stefanski  
est1986 : 2/10/2018 7:39 pm : link
Feels about those assholes in minny denying him a promotion basically twice in the same week
....  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2018 7:46 pm : link
I wonder if the Giants would have offered the job to Norv Turner had they known Stefanski wouldn't have been available. I have always thought that Turner would have been the perfect OC for Eli.
My guess is the Vikings know that one good year from DeFilippo and he  
jlukes : 2/10/2018 7:57 pm : link
is a HC. They want to keep Stefanski for themselves if/when that happens
And if the Giants were in a similar position, we'd be praising the  
jlukes : 2/10/2018 7:58 pm : link
move to block him
RE: And if the Giants were in a similar position, we'd be praising the  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2018 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13828812 jlukes said:
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move to block him

No, I would be happy that he stayed but I would still call it a dick move.
DG would have done the same  
TMS : 2/10/2018 8:54 pm : link
thing if it were in the Giants best interests. Think about it !
RE: RE: RE: This is absolutely a dick move  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13828780 Jay on the Island said:
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Stefanski should be upset about this. They passed him over for a promotion by someone outside the organization and then they don't allow him to come here for a promotion? This isn't a good decision as it might deter future coaches from picking Minnesota if they have multiple options. If Stefanski wants to be a HC someday he first needs to establish himself as an OC.


Hahaha and just like that...

Not a chance in hell it deters future coaches.


OK well if you are a promising young assistant and the Vikings and team B offer you the same position you might be hesitant to take the Vikings job as they might not let you leave. I wasn't saying that nobody will take the Vikings job but I can promise you it COULD be a factor.

Except that every single team in the NFL has done this at one point or another.
RE: Those bastards ....!  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13828785 short lease said:
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Seriously , -

In the real world if a better opportunity comes along, you resign your position with (usually) a 2 week notice and you move up the corporate latter. I guess these guys are considered labor in the same sense as the players?

Denying permission seems so .... anti-american. I guess they don't want key parts of their coaching staff all going to the same place. Too much familiarity if the Giants have to face the Vikings in the NFC championship next year?

That's why I always sign contracts with my pen ... (the one filled with invisible ink).

They are contract employees, not at-will employees. If they get fired, they still receive their full contract value. In exchange for that security, they sacrifice full autonomy in making job changes when it suits them.
The NFL really has to change these rules  
twostepgiants : 2/10/2018 10:04 pm : link
Its just not fair to these guys. Its a tough business as it is, they are hired and fired at will. They shouldnít be blocked from promotions.
Relax  
DonQuixote : 2/10/2018 11:05 pm : link
They probably just want a draft pick
RE: The NFL really has to change these rules  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 11:09 pm : link
In comment 13828882 twostepgiants said:
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Its just not fair to these guys. Its a tough business as it is, they are hired and fired at will. They shouldnít be blocked from promotions.

They are paid out for their full contract if/when they get fired, just like any other guaranteed contract employee in any other industry, most of which are also subject to non-compete clauses. There's nothing at-will about that. I'm failing to see what's unfair here other than the Giants not getting access to the guy who Shurmur seemed to favor for OC.
RE: Absolutely it was a dick move....  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/10/2018 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13828778 Simms11 said:
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In Minn, he remains a QB Coach and works under a guy whose never game-planned or called a game.

It wasn't exactly a successful tenure, but DeFilippo has been an OC before (Cleveland, 2015) and was under a defensive HC at the time, so he absolutely has gameplanned and called plays before.
RE: RE: Those bastards ....!  
short lease : 2/11/2018 3:03 am : link
In comment 13828847 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Seriously , -

In the real world if a better opportunity comes along, you resign your position with (usually) a 2 week notice and you move up the corporate latter. I guess these guys are considered labor in the same sense as the players?

Denying permission seems so .... anti-american. I guess they don't want key parts of their coaching staff all going to the same place. Too much familiarity if the Giants have to face the Vikings in the NFC championship next year?

That's why I always sign contracts with my pen ... (the one filled with invisible ink).


They are contract employees, not at-will employees. If they get fired, they still receive their full contract value. In exchange for that security, they sacrifice full autonomy in making job changes when it suits them.


Thanks Gator ...

It just seems wrong. These guys are assistants. I doubt he makes much more than around $250,000./yr? Another team (and the fact that they are the Giants makes no difference this time) .... wants to potentially offer him a job that points in an upward slant/curve and puts him in a nice place where (if successful), he might be considered for a HC position that will get him a multi-year, multi-million dollar/per year opportunity.

Who is to say that he will never get another chance at the upper echelon of NFL staffs (not me) .... but, this would have been a nice start towards what might have been financial security for him and his family? Who knows ....? He must be 1 hell of a QB coach?

@ScoutKelley on twitter brought up an interesting name-  
TheMick7 : 2/11/2018 5:48 am : link
Todd Downing Was Raiders OC last year but before that was QB coach w/Raiders (2016-15),Bills (2014),Lions (2013-11,Ass't QB Coach Lions (2010-09) only 37,fits many of the characteristics of Stefanski w/the plus of being an OC
Tc  
TommyWiseau : 2/11/2018 10:29 am : link
Did it with Giunta and basically none on here thought it was dickish.
I doubt the Eagles let us interview Staley. The've already lost their  
Blue21 : 2/11/2018 10:45 am : link
QB Coach and May lose their OC. No way they lose a coach to a division rival.And no way they lose 2 coaches never mind three going into this season. Unless Staley's contract is up which I don't believe it is.
Ths really is the leagues fault...  
Torrag : 2/11/2018 1:13 pm : link
...OC is a clear promotion over a position coach. They need to clearly delineate the levels of coaches.

HC
OC/DC/ST
positions
RE: Ths really is the leagues fault...  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/11/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13829120 Torrag said:
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...OC is a clear promotion over a position coach. They need to clearly delineate the levels of coaches.

HC
OC/DC/ST
positions

It was a AHC nonsense that caused this. Teams were giving the AHC title to position coaches to claim that was a promotion (or to block one).

I really don't think people understand what being a contract employee means, compared to at-will employment. If you're a contract employee (in any industry), you don't get to leave your company for a competitor just because the competition offers you a promotion. This situation is hardly unique to the NFL. If anything, the NFL is generally more lenient about it than other industries would typically be.
Dunk  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/11/2018 9:20 pm : link
Apples and oranges

In another industry leaving for a competitor generally means a business competitor. Leaving for another NFL club with profit sharing isn't exactly the same thing. To that end it's understandable that they are more lenient, they aren't jumping ship to another professional league.

I don't disagree with your overall point, but thats a bad comparison.
RE: Dunk  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/11/2018 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13829462 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Apples and oranges

In another industry leaving for a competitor generally means a business competitor. Leaving for another NFL club with profit sharing isn't exactly the same thing. To that end it's understandable that they are more lenient, they aren't jumping ship to another professional league.

I don't disagree with your overall point, but thats a bad comparison.

That's fair in a business sense, but coaches (certainly not assistant coaches) don't really impact the bottom line. They do impact the product on the field, and it is specifically in that context where opposing teams are the competition. I realize the analogy isn't exactly perfect, but I think it's fair in that specific context.
RE: Ths really is the leagues fault...  
mrvax : 2/12/2018 5:30 am : link
In comment 13829120 Torrag said:
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...OC is a clear promotion over a position coach. They need to clearly delineate the levels of coaches.

HC
OC/DC/ST
positions


I agree with 1 small change. I'd lump ST coach in with positional coaches.

As is, the rule makes no sense. OC/DC is a clear promotion. It places a successful OC/DC right in line toward becoming a HC.

Do team owners actually vote for this shit?
RE: RE: Ths really is the leagues fault...  
Milton : 2/12/2018 5:47 am : link
In comment 13829566 mrvax said:
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In comment 13829120 Torrag said:


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...OC is a clear promotion over a position coach. They need to clearly delineate the levels of coaches.

HC
OC/DC/ST
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I agree with 1 small change. I'd lump ST coach in with positional coaches.

As is, the rule makes no sense. OC/DC is a clear promotion. It places a successful OC/DC right in line toward becoming a HC.

Do team owners actually vote for this shit?
It used to be you could break a contract to leave for a promotion from position coach to a coordinator, but too many teams were giving guys promotions in title only. And as I said earlier in this thread, it would've essentially been a promotion in title only for Stepanski. Sure, he would've had some added responsibilities when it came to game planning, but it wouldn't've been his offense and he wouldn't've been calling the plays. His main value to the Giants would've been as QB coach, which was his main value to the Vikings, so why should they let him break his contract over that?

Look at it this way, they don't let players break contracts to leave one team for another team even if it might've meant a "promotion" from being a backup on one team to a starter on another. And players have much shorter careers than coaches (potentially speaking), so the lost time is more costly to them.

It's somewhat of a dick move, but some dick moves are more understandable than others. If Patricia had become the head coach and wanted to hire Stepanski to install and run the offense, it would've been more of a dick move.
WHther it's all legal or not, everybody got strung along  
Bill L : 2/12/2018 7:04 am : link
and when the music stopped. it was us that was standing. We either should have had an immediate fall-back or we should have predicted this and been more pro-active and moved on before it ever started. Fishing from a large pool is always better than fishing from an empty one.
RE: RE: RE: Ths really is the leagues fault...  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/12/2018 8:43 am : link
In comment 13829568 Milton said:
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...OC is a clear promotion over a position coach. They need to clearly delineate the levels of coaches.

HC
OC/DC/ST
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I agree with 1 small change. I'd lump ST coach in with positional coaches.

As is, the rule makes no sense. OC/DC is a clear promotion. It places a successful OC/DC right in line toward becoming a HC.

Do team owners actually vote for this shit?

It used to be you could break a contract to leave for a promotion from position coach to a coordinator, but too many teams were giving guys promotions in title only. And as I said earlier in this thread, it would've essentially been a promotion in title only for Stepanski. Sure, he would've had some added responsibilities when it came to game planning, but it wouldn't've been his offense and he wouldn't've been calling the plays. His main value to the Giants would've been as QB coach, which was his main value to the Vikings, so why should they let him break his contract over that?

Look at it this way, they don't let players break contracts to leave one team for another team even if it might've meant a "promotion" from being a backup on one team to a starter on another. And players have much shorter careers than coaches (potentially speaking), so the lost time is more costly to them.

It's somewhat of a dick move, but some dick moves are more understandable than others. If Patricia had become the head coach and wanted to hire Stepanski to install and run the offense, it would've been more of a dick move.

Very well said, Milton.
how significant will the OC be to this  
Jersey55 : 2/12/2018 11:18 am : link
team with the HC already saying that he is going to call the plays....
RE: how significant will the OC be to this  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/12/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13829770 Jersey55 said:
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team with the HC already saying that he is going to call the plays....

Do you think OCs only work on gameday?
RE: how significant will the OC be to this  
AnishPatel : 2/12/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13829770 Jersey55 said:
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team with the HC already saying that he is going to call the plays....


Significant, OCs job goes beyond calling plays.
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