Ralph Vacchiano (@RVacchianoSNY)
2/10/18, 3:58 PM
This is unexpected, but within the rules. Giants could turn to Eagles RBs coach Duce Staley as their OC now — although Philly can deny permission for him, too.
Until they know if Reich is sticking around. Surprising move by the Vikings since they just hired over the guy outside of the organization. Really stupid rule.
They fucked the guy over for OC and are going to deny a request for a loyal guy whose been there for 10+ heads.
It happens more often than fans realize. For one thing, we're more likely to pay attention when it happens to the Giants. For another, when it happens during a hiring flurry, it doesn't always get reported.
With regards to Stefanski, he was under contract. They clearly view him as an asset (especially with a very unsettled QB situation on their own roster). That's how contracts work. Had he been a bad coach, rather than a good one, they'd have been on the hook for his contract value if they decided to fire him. Why should they be obligated to let him go just because he did a good job, particularly at a time when they may feel they need his skill set?
Maybe they wanted compensation for him in order to let him go (purely my own speculation). Compare it to players, for example. Should the Patriots have just released Garoppolo from his contract because the 49ers wanted to essentially give him a promotion and significantly increase his salary? Or were they completely justified in getting something in return for an asset (and arguably, not even nearly enough at that)?
Why would they wait this long to ask for permission?
I don’t think it’s a big deal, since we know its Shurmur’s offense and he’s calling the plays. Just want someone that is good at putting together a game plan and adjusting.
Ralph Vacchiano (@RVacchianoSNY)
2/10/18, 3:58 PM
This is unexpected, but within the rules. Giants could turn to Eagles RBs coach Duce Staley as their OC now — although Philly can deny permission for him, too.
Yet they just gave one team permission to hire a position coach as an OC.
I guess the Vikings aren’t feeling the love for their former OC.
Vikings gonna introduce some bad blood with this move... assistants will see this bs and not wanna go to Minnesota if they have another option
This happens fairly regularly. You know, the Giants did this to Peter Giunta a few years back. Have any assistants avoided the Giants because of the "bad blood" they introduced by blocking Giunta? Every team has blocked an assistant at one point or another.
Ralph Vacchiano (@RVacchianoSNY)
2/10/18, 3:58 PM
This is unexpected, but within the rules. Giants could turn to Eagles RBs coach Duce Staley as their OC now — although Philly can deny permission for him, too.
Yet they just gave one team permission to hire a position coach as an OC.
I guess the Vikings aren’t feeling the love for their former OC.
DeFilippo's contract was set to expire this coming Wednesday. They gave him permission to interview a week before that, but he could have just waited for the contract to run out and then moved on to Minnesota anyway.
Why would they wait this long to ask for permission?
I don’t think it’s a big deal, since we know its Shurmur’s offense and he’s calling the plays. Just want someone that is good at putting together a game plan and adjusting.
I’d like to see them go after Chudzinski
Vikings OC position was unsettled and they were waiting on the Eagles to finish so they could interview DeFilippo. The Giants correctly waited out that situation before requesting permission to interview Stefanski. It was widely assumed he would not be blocked if they opted for DeFilippo, which is why this is a surprise to most.
...it's a promotion in title only, given that Shurmer will be calling the plays and installing the offense. If he is highly valued for his QB coaching skill, why should they let him leave to basically have the same role with the Giants?
I'm not saying I agree with that argument, but it's another way of looking at it.
DeFillipo is most certainly going to be HC next season. Â
I know it happens, but normally under different circumstances like if they intent on promoting an in house candidate. I'm shocked because they went outside of the organization to hire an OC over a guy whose been there for 10+ years. Then don't let him take a promotion to go to a team of their OC who just left.
Anybody know other young QB coaches put there?
In regards to DeFillipo. I don't think we had much interest in him. Our beat writers stated that quite a few times. We didn't request permission to even interview him.
RE: DeFillipo is most certainly going to be HC next season. Â
Stefanski is the Vikings insurance when DeFillipo leaves next year.
I saw on another thread that Stefanski only has a year left on his Vikings contract. If so, he can do what he wants next year. I wonder if this is the Vikings looking for compensation.
Says who? Just because you decided that he's overrated, you've now also decided that the Giants never had any interest in him?
Ummm all of our beat writers have been saying it. Also the Giants who didn't even request permission to interview him.
I don't read the beats religiously, but I don't recall any of them saying that. Maybe what I read is old news and/or outdated, but everything I saw showed KS, JD and DS all as candidates, with Darrell Bevell entering the conversation recently.
As for not asking for permission to interview, his contract was set to expire in less than a week, and if Stefanski was their top choice anyway, there wouldn't have been any urgency to get to DeFilippo before Stefanski. That does not equate to "no interest" though.
I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
But how common is it that you have an opening for an OC amd you pass on your in-house guy for an unproven guy that has no ties to the HC or organization and then tell the giy you have worked with for 10 years that he is important to the success of your team? Bush league. The Eagles denied DeFilippo to interview for the Jets OC job but it isn't like the Eagles had an opening at OC and they had a young QB that DeFilippo worked well with. Minnesota has no QB right now.
talented but currently unemployed, would likely want to jump back in and reestablish his name and credibility to get back up into a top OC position.
If he's only here a year, and does a good job, especially if we grab a QB who develops quickly, and tightens up some of Eli's weak points, he's gone but will have done his job.
Unless he has a shot in Indy or Philly, which means more waiting.
I think the Vikings see DeFilippo as a short term hire... Â
since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.
RE: I think the Vikings see DeFilippo as a short term hire... Â
since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.
Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.
since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.
Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.
I don't disagree with you, but just trying to state what the Vikings rational might have been. It's certainly going to be awkward this season when you have DeFilippo running the offense as OC in the job Stefanski was passed over for.
You mean Plan B? Stefanski was Plan A.
Is Duce under contract?
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Time to move on to plan C.
You mean Plan B? Stefanski was Plan A.
DFlip.
2/10/18, 3:58 PM
This is unexpected, but within the rules. Giants could turn to Eagles RBs coach Duce Staley as their OC now — although Philly can deny permission for him, too.
It happens more often than fans realize. For one thing, we're more likely to pay attention when it happens to the Giants. For another, when it happens during a hiring flurry, it doesn't always get reported.
With regards to Stefanski, he was under contract. They clearly view him as an asset (especially with a very unsettled QB situation on their own roster). That's how contracts work. Had he been a bad coach, rather than a good one, they'd have been on the hook for his contract value if they decided to fire him. Why should they be obligated to let him go just because he did a good job, particularly at a time when they may feel they need his skill set?
Maybe they wanted compensation for him in order to let him go (purely my own speculation). Compare it to players, for example. Should the Patriots have just released Garoppolo from his contract because the 49ers wanted to essentially give him a promotion and significantly increase his salary? Or were they completely justified in getting something in return for an asset (and arguably, not even nearly enough at that)?
The thing is, by doing this you screw over your own, loyal coaches who did a good job and are now looking to move up. That's not fair to them.
I don’t think it’s a big deal, since we know its Shurmur’s offense and he’s calling the plays. Just want someone that is good at putting together a game plan and adjusting.
I’d like to see them go after Chudzinski
2/10/18, 3:58 PM
This is unexpected, but within the rules. Giants could turn to Eagles RBs coach Duce Staley as their OC now — although Philly can deny permission for him, too.
Yet they just gave one team permission to hire a position coach as an OC.
I guess the Vikings aren’t feeling the love for their former OC.
This happens fairly regularly. You know, the Giants did this to Peter Giunta a few years back. Have any assistants avoided the Giants because of the "bad blood" they introduced by blocking Giunta? Every team has blocked an assistant at one point or another.
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Ralph Vacchiano (@RVacchianoSNY)
2/10/18, 3:58 PM
This is unexpected, but within the rules. Giants could turn to Eagles RBs coach Duce Staley as their OC now — although Philly can deny permission for him, too.
Yet they just gave one team permission to hire a position coach as an OC.
I guess the Vikings aren’t feeling the love for their former OC.
DeFilippo's contract was set to expire this coming Wednesday. They gave him permission to interview a week before that, but he could have just waited for the contract to run out and then moved on to Minnesota anyway.
I don’t think it’s a big deal, since we know its Shurmur’s offense and he’s calling the plays. Just want someone that is good at putting together a game plan and adjusting.
I’d like to see them go after Chudzinski
Vikings OC position was unsettled and they were waiting on the Eagles to finish so they could interview DeFilippo. The Giants correctly waited out that situation before requesting permission to interview Stefanski. It was widely assumed he would not be blocked if they opted for DeFilippo, which is why this is a surprise to most.
Says who? Just because you decided that he's overrated, you've now also decided that the Giants never had any interest in him?
I'm not saying I agree with that argument, but it's another way of looking at it.
Anybody know other young QB coaches put there?
In regards to DeFillipo. I don't think we had much interest in him. Our beat writers stated that quite a few times. We didn't request permission to even interview him.
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The Giants had no interest in Defilippo.
Says who? Just because you decided that he's overrated, you've now also decided that the Giants never had any interest in him?
Ummm all of our beat writers have been saying it. Also the Giants who didn't even request permission to interview him.
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The Giants had no interest in Defilippo.
Says who? Just because you decided that he's overrated, you've now also decided that the Giants never had any interest in him?
Ummm all of our beat writers have been saying it. Also the Giants who didn't even request permission to interview him.
I don't read the beats religiously, but I don't recall any of them saying that. Maybe what I read is old news and/or outdated, but everything I saw showed KS, JD and DS all as candidates, with Darrell Bevell entering the conversation recently.
As for not asking for permission to interview, his contract was set to expire in less than a week, and if Stefanski was their top choice anyway, there wouldn't have been any urgency to get to DeFilippo before Stefanski. That does not equate to "no interest" though.
Same as the Giants did with Peter Giunta?
Tough break for the Giants. They need to figure out a really impactful QB coach now.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
If he's only here a year, and does a good job, especially if we grab a QB who develops quickly, and tightens up some of Eli's weak points, he's gone but will have done his job.
Unless he has a shot in Indy or Philly, which means more waiting.
Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.
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since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.
Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.
I don't disagree with you, but just trying to state what the Vikings rational might have been. It's certainly going to be awkward this season when you have DeFilippo running the offense as OC in the job Stefanski was passed over for.