I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
No because they probably would have also told him, they weren’t given permission no matter what. Because that’s what happened
In this big wide world of football...this is all the NY Football Giants can come up with....Bevell or Duce....that is BS...beat the bushes....got to be plenty of guys that have something to offer.... I don't want Duce in a NYG coaching staff.....I prefer to remember him as a great adversary....and I especially dont want to go begging the Eagles....let's find our own OC
I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
No because they probably would have also told him, they weren’t given permission no matter what. Because that’s what happened
You're right. What ends up happening is always what people say three weeks earlier.
Like when you said there was no chance Jerry Reese would be fired.
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since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.
Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.
I don't disagree with you, but just trying to state what the Vikings rational might have been. It's certainly going to be awkward this season when you have DeFilippo running the offense as OC in the job Stefanski was passed over for.
For anyone who works in management and was ever hired as an external candidate for a job that has a team of direct reports, I can almost guarantee single every one of you has managed someone who was passed over for the job you got.
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since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.
Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.
I don't disagree with you, but just trying to state what the Vikings rational might have been. It's certainly going to be awkward this season when you have DeFilippo running the offense as OC in the job Stefanski was passed over for.
For anyone who works in management and was ever hired as an external candidate for a job that has a team of direct reports, I can almost guarantee single every one of you has managed someone who was passed over for the job you got.
But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer
But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer
Did he also write a note to Zimmer that says check one.
I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
No because they probably would have also told him, they weren’t given permission no matter what. Because that’s what happened
You're right. What ends up happening is always what people say three weeks earlier.
Like when you said there was no chance Jerry Reese would be fired.
But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer
Why would he have to do that? I’m sure he has a good enough relationship with Shurmur, where he would simply tell him he’s not Interested. You’re basically saying he would do something a coward would do.
as you have to believe Shurmur’s hands on approach with the offense, calling plays, etc. probably minimizes to an extent, the role of the OC on this staff. However, never underestimate the importance of staff hires (all we have to do is think back to the Coughlin days, Hufnagel, etc) and I’m sure Shurmur still needs that guy who is going to be on the same page and serve as an extension of him and his approach to offense.
I am on record as wanting to go with Wilks. Part of that was the feeling that we could get him signed and into the building way ahead of the game to start building a staff as the other potential head coaches and staff hires were heavily focused on Philly, NE and Minnesota who were playing deep into Jan/Feb.
All that said, hopefully we look to Staley or my personal favorite Stoutland but if I’m Philly, why am I letting either one of those guys out of the building. With Reich as a HC candidate in Indy it’s likely one of those two is elevated to OC in Philly anyway.
I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
No because they probably would have also told him, they weren’t given permission no matter what. Because that’s what happened
You're right. What ends up happening is always what people say three weeks earlier.
Like when you said there was no chance Jerry Reese would be fired.
lol. Absolutely no correlation. But carry on
You do understand that it's entirely possible that they hadn't decided three weeks ago that they were going to block Stefanski, right? They didn't even have to consider it themselves until they settled their own OC situation.
So to your point that they could have just said they weren't going to allow him to interview regardless, while that did wind up being the outcome, that doesn't mean that they didn't say to Shurmur, in complete good faith, that they weren't even going to consider it one way or the other until they had their own OC situation figured out.
The outcome does not define the steps that previously occurred along the way.
But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer
I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Because that is when you are most likely to receive permission. In addition, the Vikings OC position is a better position than the Giants OC, especially to an incumbent. I doubt the Giants were his first choise, they had to wait out the Vikings.
Also, if he wasn't their first choice, why haven't they interviewed or requested to interview anybody else for that position until this week? This is an easy one to deduce.
In this big wide world of football...this is all the NY Football Giants can come up with....Bevell or Duce....that is BS...beat the bushes....got to be plenty of guys that have something to offer.... I don't want Duce in a NYG coaching staff.....I prefer to remember him as a great adversary....and I especially dont want to go begging the Eagles....let's find our own OC
? You know Shurmur used to coach for the Eagles, right?
Being loyal to only ‘true NY Giants’ as coaches is foolish.
But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer
Why would he have to do that? I’m sure he has a good enough relationship with Shurmur, where he would simply tell him he’s not Interested. You’re basically saying he would do something a coward would do.
Lol it was just a thought. Not a very well thought out one I guess.
I guess I'm not surprised. Had to know something was Â
creating the delay. They didn't want to give up two coaches to a team especially an NFC team. Wouldn't be surprised if Eagles are doing the same on Duce in case they lose their OC
I’m suddenly glad these a holes lost to the Eagles ... It’s piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ... hopefully karma visits the twin cities.
It's a dick move because Stefanski interviewed with the Vikings for their OC job and was turned down. He's got one year left on his contract. It was a dick move.
Shurmur seems like a smart guy. I don’t think he would have waited around this long for Stefanski if he had reason to believe Zimmer was goin to block him.
It’s piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...
In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.
Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage.
It’s piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...
In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.
Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )
Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.
I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.
I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.
It’s piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...
In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.
Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )
Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.
I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.
I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.
Once again, different circumstances. Did the Giants interview these coaches for a promotion, hire someone outside the organization without any connection, and then deny them permission to seek a promotion? It is one thing to deny permission for a promotion and another to tell a guy how much they value him but pass him over.
It’s piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...
In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.
Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )
Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.
I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.
I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.
Oh please. Give me a break. You really think that we believe that you remember the threads when Guinta was denied permission? I’ll go out on a limb and say there was probably people on those threads calling out the Giants. Unless of course you think that every single poster has the same opinion, which has never happened in the history of BBI.
The Giants were dicks for blocking guys of a chance at career advancement and so are the Vikings. Why does it have to be one or the other? You can also continue to ignore the fact that this guy interviewed for the promotion and got turned down by the Vikings. That to me makes it a different situation. If Guinta had interviewed for a coordinator job and got beat by an outsider, it would absolutely be a dick move by the Giants to not allow him to interview with another team.
It’s piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...
In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.
Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )
Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.
I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.
I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.
Once again, different circumstances. Did the Giants interview these coaches for a promotion, hire someone outside the organization without any connection, and then deny them permission to seek a promotion? It is one thing to deny permission for a promotion and another to tell a guy how much they value him but pass him over.
You sure about that?
Peter Giunta interviewed for DC with the Giants before they eventually settled on Bill Sheridan and denied permission for him to interview elsewhere in the very same offseason. Granted, it was an internal promotion for Sheridan, so it's not exactly apples to apples, but that's almost splitting hairs. The point is, Giunta was passed over and blocked by the Giants in the same offseason.
In this big wide world of football...this is all the NY Football Giants can come up with....Bevell or Duce....that is BS...beat the bushes....got to be plenty of guys that have something to offer.... I don't want Duce in a NYG coaching staff.....I prefer to remember him as a great adversary....and I especially dont want to go begging the Eagles....let's find our own OC
? You know Shurmur used to coach for the Eagles, right?
Being loyal to only ‘true NY Giants’ as coaches is foolish.
Had to really laugh at the being loyal to only true NY Giants as coaches. As soon as we do that, you'll have that contingent come out of the woodwork complaining that this is more of the same old shit, this organization will never learn,yada yada yada
Obviously not all because BBI isn't one person and neither are all Giants fans. But, if I am not mistaken, some said it was a dick move at the time.
I'm sure some did. You can pick any opinion on the planet and someone on BBI has agreed with it at one point or another. But there wasn't the outrage that there is now because we're on the other end of it.
My point has been more about those who keep saying that other coaching candidates will avoid the Vikings in the future as though this scenario is some sort of rare event.
Every team has done this. Future coaching hires will not be affected. Is it a dick move? Yeah, probably. Does it suck if this was Shurmur's preferred OC? Absolutely. Are the Vikings now going to be shunned by future coaching candidates? Not a chance.
Stefanski should be upset about this. They passed him over for a promotion by someone outside the organization and then they don't allow him to come here for a promotion? This isn't a good decision as it might deter future coaches from picking Minnesota if they have multiple options. If Stefanski wants to be a HC someday he first needs to establish himself as an OC.
Take the Giants out of the equation - the Vikings are setting an AWFUL precedent here AND screwing over Stefanski
Same as the Giants did with Peter Giunta?
Teams do it every year. It is not a bad precedent. It is how it goes. It’s how teams can build a staff with continuity. Teams do it every year. Eagles Didn’t let DeDellipe interview last year. Hell Andy Reid’s denied Spagnulo the chance to leave Filthy in ‘06 and wound up losing him to NYG in ‘07.
Stefanski should be upset about this. They passed him over for a promotion by someone outside the organization and then they don't allow him to come here for a promotion? This isn't a good decision as it might deter future coaches from picking Minnesota if they have multiple options. If Stefanski wants to be a HC someday he first needs to establish himself as an OC.
Take the Giants out of the equation - the Vikings are setting an AWFUL precedent here AND screwing over Stefanski
Same as the Giants did with Peter Giunta?
Teams do it every year. It is not a bad precedent. It is how it goes. It’s how teams can build a staff with continuity. Teams do it every year. Eagles Didn’t let DeDellipe interview last year. Hell Andy Reid’s denied Spagnulo the chance to leave Filthy in ‘06 and wound up losing him to NYG in ‘07.
Deal with it.
Are you arguing with me by making the same point I've been making through the entire thread? Interesting approach.
Yea the Giants have done it, but what were the circumstances? This is a kick in the nuts to a guy who could have come in here and slowly gained experience as an OC, from one of the more successful and experienced former OCs in the league, and then perhaps could have learned to call a game at some point on his own. In Minn, he remains a QB Coach and works under a guy whose never game-planned or called a game. I don’t know, but this would have been in Stefanski’s best interest. That’s not how you take care of people. So much for loyalty in this league.
Stefanski should be upset about this. They passed him over for a promotion by someone outside the organization and then they don't allow him to come here for a promotion? This isn't a good decision as it might deter future coaches from picking Minnesota if they have multiple options. If Stefanski wants to be a HC someday he first needs to establish himself as an OC.
Hahaha and just like that...
Not a chance in hell it deters future coaches.
OK well if you are a promising young assistant and the Vikings and team B offer you the same position you might be hesitant to take the Vikings job as they might not let you leave. I wasn't saying that nobody will take the Vikings job but I can promise you it COULD be a factor.
In the real world if a better opportunity comes along, you resign your position with (usually) a 2 week notice and you move up the corporate latter. I guess these guys are considered labor in the same sense as the players?
Denying permission seems so .... anti-american. I guess they don't want key parts of their coaching staff all going to the same place. Too much familiarity if the Giants have to face the Vikings in the NFC championship next year?
That's why I always sign contracts with my pen ... (the one filled with invisible ink).
I wonder if the Giants would have offered the job to Norv Turner had they known Stefanski wouldn't have been available. I have always thought that Turner would have been the perfect OC for Eli.
My guess is the Vikings know that one good year from DeFilippo and he Â
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
No because they probably would have also told him, they weren’t given permission no matter what. Because that’s what happened
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
No because they probably would have also told him, they weren’t given permission no matter what. Because that’s what happened
You're right. What ends up happening is always what people say three weeks earlier.
Like when you said there was no chance Jerry Reese would be fired.
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since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.
Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.
I don't disagree with you, but just trying to state what the Vikings rational might have been. It's certainly going to be awkward this season when you have DeFilippo running the offense as OC in the job Stefanski was passed over for.
For anyone who works in management and was ever hired as an external candidate for a job that has a team of direct reports, I can almost guarantee single every one of you has managed someone who was passed over for the job you got.
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since he was already interviewing for HC jobs this off-season. They probably feel Stefanski will learn from DF this season then take over the OC when DeFilippo leaves.
Stefanski is only under contract one more year. If I was with a company for 10 years and a promotion was staring me in the face and they passed on me for someone they barely know I'd be out of there as soon as possible.
I don't disagree with you, but just trying to state what the Vikings rational might have been. It's certainly going to be awkward this season when you have DeFilippo running the offense as OC in the job Stefanski was passed over for.
For anyone who works in management and was ever hired as an external candidate for a job that has a team of direct reports, I can almost guarantee single every one of you has managed someone who was passed over for the job you got.
Every single, not single every. Long day haha.
Did he also write a note to Zimmer that says check one.
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
No because they probably would have also told him, they weren’t given permission no matter what. Because that’s what happened
You're right. What ends up happening is always what people say three weeks earlier.
Like when you said there was no chance Jerry Reese would be fired.
lol. Absolutely no correlation. But carry on
Except nobody from the 2000 Vikings is still in the organization, including ownership.
Why would he have to do that? I’m sure he has a good enough relationship with Shurmur, where he would simply tell him he’s not Interested. You’re basically saying he would do something a coward would do.
I am on record as wanting to go with Wilks. Part of that was the feeling that we could get him signed and into the building way ahead of the game to start building a staff as the other potential head coaches and staff hires were heavily focused on Philly, NE and Minnesota who were playing deep into Jan/Feb.
All that said, hopefully we look to Staley or my personal favorite Stoutland but if I’m Philly, why am I letting either one of those guys out of the building. With Reich as a HC candidate in Indy it’s likely one of those two is elevated to OC in Philly anyway.
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Shurmur just came FROM the Vikings. You don't think it's somewhat plausible that someone there flat out told him that they weren't going to even consider granting permission for Stefanski to interview anywhere until they had their own OC situation settled?
No because they probably would have also told him, they weren’t given permission no matter what. Because that’s what happened
You're right. What ends up happening is always what people say three weeks earlier.
Like when you said there was no chance Jerry Reese would be fired.
lol. Absolutely no correlation. But carry on
You do understand that it's entirely possible that they hadn't decided three weeks ago that they were going to block Stefanski, right? They didn't even have to consider it themselves until they settled their own OC situation.
So to your point that they could have just said they weren't going to allow him to interview regardless, while that did wind up being the outcome, that doesn't mean that they didn't say to Shurmur, in complete good faith, that they weren't even going to consider it one way or the other until they had their own OC situation figured out.
The outcome does not define the steps that previously occurred along the way.
Wait, what?
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
Because that is when you are most likely to receive permission. In addition, the Vikings OC position is a better position than the Giants OC, especially to an incumbent. I doubt the Giants were his first choise, they had to wait out the Vikings.
Also, if he wasn't their first choice, why haven't they interviewed or requested to interview anybody else for that position until this week? This is an easy one to deduce.
? You know Shurmur used to coach for the Eagles, right?
Being loyal to only ‘true NY Giants’ as coaches is foolish.
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I think it was Stefanski 1A and DeFilippo 1B, got the feeling that the Giants were content with whichever one the Vikings did not go with.
Then why wait three weeks to ask for permission?
They were waiting to see if Stefanski was going to get the OC job in Minn. When he got passed up for Defilippo they asked for permission.
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But is it possible he didn't want to come here? Put in a situation at OC where he can't call his own plays? If so, I could see a situation where he spoke with Vikings staff and asked to be blocked so he wasn't outright turning down the offer
Why would he have to do that? I’m sure he has a good enough relationship with Shurmur, where he would simply tell him he’s not Interested. You’re basically saying he would do something a coward would do.
Lol it was just a thought. Not a very well thought out one I guess.
It's a dick move when the other team does it to yours, but when your team does it...it's just business.
I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want to lose two of their offensive coaches to the NYG.
In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.
Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage.
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Darrell Bevell is from that same tree. He was OC under Childress in Minnesota.
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It’s piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...
In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.
Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )
Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.
I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.
I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.
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It’s piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...
In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.
Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )
Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.
I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.
I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.
Once again, different circumstances. Did the Giants interview these coaches for a promotion, hire someone outside the organization without any connection, and then deny them permission to seek a promotion? It is one thing to deny permission for a promotion and another to tell a guy how much they value him but pass him over.
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It’s piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...
In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.
Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )
Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.
I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.
I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.
Oh please. Give me a break. You really think that we believe that you remember the threads when Guinta was denied permission? I’ll go out on a limb and say there was probably people on those threads calling out the Giants. Unless of course you think that every single poster has the same opinion, which has never happened in the history of BBI.
The Giants were dicks for blocking guys of a chance at career advancement and so are the Vikings. Why does it have to be one or the other? You can also continue to ignore the fact that this guy interviewed for the promotion and got turned down by the Vikings. That to me makes it a different situation. If Guinta had interviewed for a coordinator job and got beat by an outsider, it would absolutely be a dick move by the Giants to not allow him to interview with another team.
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It’s piss poor people mgmt to block someone from a promotion ...
In the not so distant past, the Giants have blocked Peter Giunta, Kevin Gilbride Jr., and Chris Palmer from interviewing for positions that would have been promotions for them.
Every team has done this at some point or another. Enough with the drama and outrage. Link - ( New Window )
Exactly! I mentioned Giunta on another thread.
I can't recall anyone calling the Giants "dicks" when they blocked one of their own coaches.
I can see why the Vikes wouldn't want their old OC to take one of their coaches. The Vikes have to do what's good for their own team.
Once again, different circumstances. Did the Giants interview these coaches for a promotion, hire someone outside the organization without any connection, and then deny them permission to seek a promotion? It is one thing to deny permission for a promotion and another to tell a guy how much they value him but pass him over.
You sure about that?
Peter Giunta interviewed for DC with the Giants before they eventually settled on Bill Sheridan and denied permission for him to interview elsewhere in the very same offseason. Granted, it was an internal promotion for Sheridan, so it's not exactly apples to apples, but that's almost splitting hairs. The point is, Giunta was passed over and blocked by the Giants in the same offseason.
Giants interviewed Giunta (NYT)
Giants blocked Giunta (BBI)
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In this big wide world of football...this is all the NY Football Giants can come up with....Bevell or Duce....that is BS...beat the bushes....got to be plenty of guys that have something to offer.... I don't want Duce in a NYG coaching staff.....I prefer to remember him as a great adversary....and I especially dont want to go begging the Eagles....let's find our own OC
? You know Shurmur used to coach for the Eagles, right?
Being loyal to only ‘true NY Giants’ as coaches is foolish.
Had to really laugh at the being loyal to only true NY Giants as coaches. As soon as we do that, you'll have that contingent come out of the woodwork complaining that this is more of the same old shit, this organization will never learn,yada yada yada
I'm sure some did. You can pick any opinion on the planet and someone on BBI has agreed with it at one point or another. But there wasn't the outrage that there is now because we're on the other end of it.
My point has been more about those who keep saying that other coaching candidates will avoid the Vikings in the future as though this scenario is some sort of rare event.
Every team has done this. Future coaching hires will not be affected. Is it a dick move? Yeah, probably. Does it suck if this was Shurmur's preferred OC? Absolutely. Are the Vikings now going to be shunned by future coaching candidates? Not a chance.
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Take the Giants out of the equation - the Vikings are setting an AWFUL precedent here AND screwing over Stefanski
Same as the Giants did with Peter Giunta?
Deal with it.
Hahaha and just like that...
Not a chance in hell it deters future coaches.
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In comment 13828604 TommytheElephant said:
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Take the Giants out of the equation - the Vikings are setting an AWFUL precedent here AND screwing over Stefanski
Same as the Giants did with Peter Giunta?
Teams do it every year. It is not a bad precedent. It is how it goes. It’s how teams can build a staff with continuity. Teams do it every year. Eagles Didn’t let DeDellipe interview last year. Hell Andy Reid’s denied Spagnulo the chance to leave Filthy in ‘06 and wound up losing him to NYG in ‘07.
Deal with it.
Are you arguing with me by making the same point I've been making through the entire thread? Interesting approach.
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Stefanski should be upset about this. They passed him over for a promotion by someone outside the organization and then they don't allow him to come here for a promotion? This isn't a good decision as it might deter future coaches from picking Minnesota if they have multiple options. If Stefanski wants to be a HC someday he first needs to establish himself as an OC.
Hahaha and just like that...
Not a chance in hell it deters future coaches.
OK well if you are a promising young assistant and the Vikings and team B offer you the same position you might be hesitant to take the Vikings job as they might not let you leave. I wasn't saying that nobody will take the Vikings job but I can promise you it COULD be a factor.
In the real world if a better opportunity comes along, you resign your position with (usually) a 2 week notice and you move up the corporate latter. I guess these guys are considered labor in the same sense as the players?
Denying permission seems so .... anti-american. I guess they don't want key parts of their coaching staff all going to the same place. Too much familiarity if the Giants have to face the Vikings in the NFC championship next year?
That's why I always sign contracts with my pen ... (the one filled with invisible ink).