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NFT: Knicks Chat: Mudiay looked good!

DanMetroMan : 2/12/2018 7:36 am
-It was one game but Mudiay was very, very impressive! I'm not saying he's a future star but he looked smooth and overall a very nice debut.

-THjr... 29 minutes 1 rebound?

-Frank looked solid along side Mudiay

-The Knicks are going to lose many games
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Bagley is a better Shawn Kemp IMO.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/12/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13829969 nygiants16 said:
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Not athletic enough? Seriously?

And not big enough to guard the 4? C'mon he is 6 foot 7 230 pounds I thi nk he can handle himself in today's nba


Just because he can jump doesn't mean he can stay in front of a quality NBA 3 when he has to guard them on the perimeter. Look around the NBA... there aren't many teams playing 6-7 4's the majority of the time. You might end up being right and I might be wrong. I'm just not willing to bet a vitally important lottery pick on Miles Bridges doing that.
he did, but it was after the deadline...  
Italianju : 2/12/2018 1:53 pm : link
like over the weekend. Plus it was a concussion so he prolly wont be out that long (that said Kris dunn was out weeks with his).
RE: RE: Jack  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13830002 adamg said:
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should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this.

Why release him now? He might as well ride the bench while teaching up the new guy and helping Frank adjust to getting more playing time.


Because the moron coach will likely be tempted to play him if they struggle and the roster spot might be better served cycling in some younger options.
RE: RE: RE: Jack  
Heisenberg : 2/12/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13830028 DanMetroMan said:
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should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this.

Why release him now? He might as well ride the bench while teaching up the new guy and helping Frank adjust to getting more playing time.



Because the moron coach will likely be tempted to play him if they struggle and the roster spot might be better served cycling in some younger options.


Well, I'd give him the choice. Ride the bench and mentor the kids or we can release you and you can try and catch on somewhere else, perhaps as a bench guy on a playoff team.

I don't see him as a guy that might be poisonous to the locker room, so there's little risk from him.

You're right to worry about Hornacek, though. But, I suspect he's been his given marching orders.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bagley is a better Shawn Kemp IMO.  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13830023 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13829969 nygiants16 said:


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Not athletic enough? Seriously?

And not big enough to guard the 4? C'mon he is 6 foot 7 230 pounds I thi nk he can handle himself in today's nba



Just because he can jump doesn't mean he can stay in front of a quality NBA 3 when he has to guard them on the perimeter. Look around the NBA... there aren't many teams playing 6-7 4's the majority of the time. You might end up being right and I might be wrong. I'm just not willing to bet a vitally important lottery pick on Miles Bridges doing that.


Doesn't he start at the 3 in college?
I'm no NBA scout, but I can't believe anyone questions Bagley's  
Greg from LI : 2/12/2018 2:07 pm : link
athleticism. Men his size who have his kind of hops and quickness are extremely rare.
So if the Knicks pick 8-10, which seems likely...  
manh george : 2/12/2018 2:15 pm : link
what is wrong with Knox? He's not even 19, so should improve as he matures. From SI:

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The Knicks’ biggest area of need is on the the wing, where they could use a versatile player to complement Kristaps Porzingis and Frank Ntilikina. An upside play makes sense with the timeline of their core, and Knox’s scoring ability, three-point shooting potential and ability to play either forward spot makes him a projectable fit. He’s made noticeable strides over the course of the season, particularly with his on-court approach, and has a lot of room to grow as he develops his ball-handling, works on his body and starts to unlock his versatility.


Last 5 games, he's 10 for 24 from the three--.417
Hate to judge a guy off one game  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2018 2:27 pm : link
but I was watching the Kentucky/Texas A&M game the other night and Knox - along with the rest of his teammates - was getting out-hustled up and down the floor. I was reading up on his scouting reports a bit and "motor" has been a red flag. I'd be a little worried about that, but he's certainly a worthy pick in the 8-10 range. Knox and the Bridges boys, and I wouldn't rule out Sexton either, especially if Frank transitions into more of a 3&D player.
RE: Hate to judge a guy off one game  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13830076 bceagle05 said:
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but I was watching the Kentucky/Texas A&M game the other night and Knox - along with the rest of his teammates - was getting out-hustled up and down the floor. I was reading up on his scouting reports a bit and "motor" has been a red flag. I'd be a little worried about that, but he's certainly a worthy pick in the 8-10 range. Knox and the Bridges boys, and I wouldn't rule out Sexton either, especially if Frank transitions into more of a 3&D player.


I hate trying to project Kentucky players because calipari has guys play a certain role and that is it...

Look at Kat, nobody knew he had range because he never.showed it in college...
I have been reading some good things about Jaren Jackson Jr  
steve in ky : 2/12/2018 2:34 pm : link
I wonder if Knicks will have any chance of his being there when they pick?
Tonight’s  
ajr2456 : 2/12/2018 2:42 pm : link
Lineup change is Lance Thomas starting for Courtney Lee per Begley
LOL  
Keith : 2/12/2018 2:43 pm : link
Nice. I feel like we haven't been seeing enough Lance Thomas. Always nice to get his minutes in early and often.
Lance starting?  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2018 2:46 pm : link
Maybe it's more about his wanting to  
steve in ky : 2/12/2018 2:46 pm : link
give Mudiay and Frank Lee to run with than it is about Lance. Who knows?
I hate lance thomas!  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 2:48 pm : link
What has he done to deserve a start?
Begley saying it's because Lance defended Simmons well last time.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2018 2:48 pm : link
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Who wants to bet  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 2:49 pm : link
That we only see mudiay and Frank together for a short time tonight if at all?
RE: Begley saying it's because Lance defended Simmons well last time.  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13830097 bceagle05 said:
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Who gives a shit?

So first sub is Lee for hardaway...

Frank comes in for jack

2nd quarter mudiay in for Frank and hardaway in for lance...

Calling it now this is how the subs go
Hornacek  
Pete44 : 2/12/2018 2:57 pm : link
Somebody needs to bang this guy on the head.

Again, Perry/Mills need to go to him that his job depends on the development of young players.

We should be seeing very little of Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee, Jarret Jack, Michael Beasley and Kyle O'Quinn.
RE: Tonight’s  
Canton : 2/12/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13830088 ajr2456 said:
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Lineup change is Lance Thomas starting for Courtney Lee per Begley


About fucking time! We need Lance to develop. He won't become an all-star by sitting on the damn bench.
Lance Thomas is the Tanner Glass of basketball  
Greg from LI : 2/12/2018 3:02 pm : link
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Man  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2018 3:03 pm : link
Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too)
RE: Man  
Canton : 2/12/2018 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13830116 DanMetroMan said:
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Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too)


Is it cause they feel they don't have what it takes "between the ears" to be more successful? I think the same could be said for Mudiay..
RE: Man  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13830116 DanMetroMan said:
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Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too)


They traded him to make room for LeBron and bosh
RE: RE: Man  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2018 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13830131 nygiants16 said:
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Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too)



They traded him to make room for LeBron and bosh


Still they got "nothing"
RE: RE: RE: Man  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13830134 DanMetroMan said:
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Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too)



They traded him to make room for LeBron and bosh



Still they got "nothing"


I don't think they wanted anything..

And let's be honest spoelstra makes Riley look very good as an exec
Hornacek is starting jack and thomas on a losing team  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 3:26 pm : link
Refusing to start the young kids, meanwhile a title contender is starting a rookie in osman...

Unbelievable how moronic this coach is...

Claims changes will come after all star break, make changes now, jack does nothing on the court...

Last night with mudiay and Frank in the game the Knicks outscored the pavers 43 34
Popovich benched Tony Parker  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 3:33 pm : link
For murray..

And hornacek can not bench Jarrett freaking jack or lance Thomas?
The good news is Jack was down to eight minutes last night.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2018 3:39 pm : link
It was just the wrong eight minutes.

As for Lance, I give up. He does not belong in an NBA rotation, much less a starting lineup. If we build a playoff team in the next few years, I will refer to the period preceding it as a the "Lance Thomas Years," much the same way Yankee fans have the "Horace Clark Years."
RE: The good news is Jack was down to eight minutes last night.  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13830150 bceagle05 said:
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It was just the wrong eight minutes.

As for Lance, I give up. He does not belong in an NBA rotation, much less a starting lineup. If we build a playoff team in the next few years, I will refer to the period preceding it as a the "Lance Thomas Years," much the same way Yankee fans have the "Horace Clark Years."


How much you want to bet we don't see mudiay and Frank together tonight?

You know it is funny, I used to hate Jared jefferies but he waa actually a good defender...

What does lance Thomas do to deserve minutes? I honestly would love for hornacek to explain this and don't tell me he is a good defender..
Stop.  
Keith : 2/12/2018 3:43 pm : link
Jared Jeffries was the devil! Just because Lance is terrible, shouldn't make anything Jared Jeffries less brutal to witness. Jeffries was just horrendous to watch.
RE: Stop.  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13830154 Keith said:
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Jared Jeffries was the devil! Just because Lance is terrible, shouldn't make anything Jared Jeffries less brutal to witness. Jeffries was just horrendous to watch.


He was horrendous offensively but at least he gave you something defensively
I do not remember Jeffries  
Keith : 2/12/2018 3:48 pm : link
adding anything positive. I HATED Jeffries as a player.
Jeffries was Lance before Lance was Lance  
Heisenberg : 2/12/2018 3:55 pm : link
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RE: I do not remember Jeffries  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13830163 Keith said:
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adding anything positive. I HATED Jeffries as a player.


You know why I hate lance more? Because at least with jefferies he knew he sucked on offense and didn't try to do more...

Lance thinks he is a good offensive player taking wild runners and looking off better shooters for his own shot..

I can't stand when he gets the ball and instead of swinging it he pump fakes and tries to drive..

Mudiay and Frenchie might help us win.  
Carl in CT : 2/12/2018 3:58 pm : link
So if we are tanking, let them start Lance. We will be down be 15 and lose like we need too. As long as the kids get minutes I’m ok.
I get furious whenever anyone passes the ball to Lance.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2018 3:59 pm : link
Frank's the biggest culprit. Might as well just throw it out of bounds - Lance's heel is usually out of bounds anyway when he catches a pass along the sideline.
Jeffries was among the worst  
Enzo : 2/12/2018 4:02 pm : link
finishers at the rim I ever saw. He made Charles Smith look like Charles Barkley. He was mostly awful aside from a decent run his second time around with the team during the Linsanity season where he added some value on the defensive end. Which was also I think the only above average season this team has had defensively in like forever.
RE: RE: I do not remember Jeffries  
Keith : 2/12/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13830176 nygiants16 said:
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adding anything positive. I HATED Jeffries as a player.



You know why I hate lance more? Because at least with jefferies he knew he sucked on offense and didn't try to do more...

Lance thinks he is a good offensive player taking wild runners and looking off better shooters for his own shot..

I can't stand when he gets the ball and instead of swinging it he pump fakes and tries to drive..


Ok fine, I'll accept this.

I hated Jeffries so much. I have never seen a guy as big as he is NEVER finish around the rim. He was brutal.
One thing I admired about jefferies  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 4:24 pm : link
He knew his limitations, he only took shots when he absolutely had to..

He always tried to find the open guy or set a pick for a scorer, he was not afraid to be the scrappy player on the court..

Lance Thomas thinks he is a good player, dude switches on everything, horrible rebounder, and if he is open he is taking the shot, he is not looking for the open guy..

Instead of setting a pick for a scorer he will come over and ask for the ball then fake giving it back and drive...

If they gave the fans one vote on who to cut from your favorite team I am pretty sure lance would be a unanimous vote
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I think Michael Kay is a moron  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 5:17 pm : link
He just said hardaway shouldn't drive because he is a 2 guard and needs to shoot 3s, I kid you not
The other day Kay said the Mudiay trade was made  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2018 5:23 pm : link
because the organization doesn't think Frank is deserving of playing time. His playing time, of course, is now increasing.
RE: The other day Kay said the Mudiay trade was made  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13830267 bceagle05 said:
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because the organization doesn't think Frank is deserving of playing time. His playing time, of course, is now increasing.


He is now saying Frank was the wrong pick and has shown zero glimpses of being a good player..can the kid play more than half a season..

Also killing the knicks for having a bad season, asshole what did you think the knicks were going to be this year?
RE: The other day Kay said the Mudiay trade was made  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13830267 bceagle05 said:
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because the organization doesn't think Frank is deserving of playing time. His playing time, of course, is now increasing.


He only reads the daily news, he thinks isola is a good writer
RE: One thing I admired about jefferies  
ajr2456 : 2/12/2018 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13830217 nygiants16 said:
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He knew his limitations, he only took shots when he absolutely had to..

He always tried to find the open guy or set a pick for a scorer, he was not afraid to be the scrappy player on the court..

Lance Thomas thinks he is a good player, dude switches on everything, horrible rebounder, and if he is open he is taking the shot, he is not looking for the open guy..

Instead of setting a pick for a scorer he will come over and ask for the ball then fake giving it back and drive...

If they gave the fans one vote on who to cut from your favorite team I am pretty sure lance would be a unanimous vote


I admired his ability to hit the side of the backboard on a corner three.
Tonight’s lineup  
ajr2456 : 2/12/2018 6:44 pm : link
Kanter
O’Quinn
Thomas
Hardaway
Jack
I'll watch after the all star break to see if someone upstairs  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/12/2018 6:48 pm : link
finally decided to inform the coach what he should be doing.
This game's on NBA TV correct?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/12/2018 6:55 pm : link
TANK BABY TANK!
RE: I'll watch after the all star break to see if someone upstairs  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2018 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13830360 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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finally decided to inform the coach what he should be doing.


Frank mudiay better play 30 minutes again tonight
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