NFT: Knicks Chat: Mudiay looked good!

Prigioni, who played for the Knicks from 2012-15, was lauded for his cerebral game, his playmaking and ferocious on-ball defense during his career. He also played for the Rockets and Clippers, in the Spanish League and Argentina’s national team.

Bringing in Prigioni would be a coup to mentor Ntilikina, Mudiay and Trey Burke, the 25-year-old 2013 lottery pick whom the Knicks signed last month.

Prigioni is in New York this week after being invited by the Nets to spend a week with them. According to a source, he’s learning all phases of Brooklyn’s basketball operation.
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To lose these next 2 games. Tonight should be a given, but with Wall our Wednesday could be a winnable game. We need a loss there to leave for all star break without any positive hope for this team. Then we open against Orlando after all star break, that has to be loss since they are below us. There are 5 players in this draft that I would be very happy to get, we just need to get in the top 5.

Frank and Mudiay looked good together. Frank looked comfortable off the ball and looked a bit more aggressive off the dribble to me. It got him to the line a couple times. I liked it.

Mudiay looked good. Definitely looked comfortable at the point, which I can't say Frank ever really did.

Luke Kornet was awful. It happens, I guess.

Lance Thomas had two wide open kickout three pointers that didn't touch the rim. Fuck that guy.

And I was legitimately pissed when Jack started the game. Thankfully, he hit the bench and stayed there.

don’t see us winning that one.

Mills signed Hardaway right before Perry took over. I would be so psyched for the future if Hardaway wasn’t hogging up 2019 cap space. We could have been going into 2019 free agency with Zinger, Frankie, 2018 top 10 pick, 2019 likely top 5 pick considering Zinger will be out for at least half the season. Noah expiring in 2019 doesn’t bother me as much. Hopefully Lee will be tradable for an expiring in the summer or next year. Did someone say Lance last year is non guaranteed because I don’t see that anywhere?

is the epitome of "nothing special".

and Frank looked together. Would love to see that for 25-30 minutes a game the rest of the way. I know its just one game, but i was impressed with Mudiay. Really want to see what he can do with consistent minutes. Jack only played 8 minutes yesterday, hopefully that is the norm moving forward.

I would like to see:

Mudiay/burke
Frank/Dotson
Hardaway/lee
Beasley/hicks
Kanter /kornet

If I never see jack and thomas play another minute in a Knicks uniform I will be very happy

At the beginning of the year he was attacking more getting more assists and getting to the rim...

Since he has been back he has just settled, yesterday he started attacking and looked better...

Stop just hoisting 3s

the Dubs?

He's having a bad stretch of games.

He should keep shooting, IMO.

Still some info about his injury and recovery to be learned when they get into his knee. Hopefully no meniscus damage or damage to other ligaments. ACL’s are just blips in the radar these days, it’s crazy how far we’ve come.

In comment 13829612 Heisenberg said:

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He's having a bad stretch of games.

He's having a bad stretch of games because he's a massive waste of $71 million. In other words, yes, he IS that bad.

Hardaway at 4 Years $50 mil I could stomach by the extra $5mil per year is idiotic

not "bad". He's nothing special. He's just "a guy".

He's a mediocre player making a lot of money. That's very bad for the Knicks.

Hardaway was signed by Mills to prove to Dolan that he could sign a FA, a few days after he was named President.

Hardaway can be more than "a guy."

In comment 13829675 Beezer said:

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Hardaway can be more than "a guy."

Not particularly. He's a scorer who adds a little more but he's not anything special. He's inconsistent (always has been) and seems to let shooting impact all other facets. 14.2 PER, career 13.4, last year 15.2. There is no "next level". He's actually been worse this season than the previous 2 by WS/48. He's a solid player. Nothing more.

I have heard Dolan liked Hardaway, was upset when Phil traded him, so to clinch the president's job, Mills signed him and made it impossible to match. Now, he will be the next untradeable contract.

In comment 13829645 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 13829612 Heisenberg said: Quote: He's having a bad stretch of games. He's having a bad stretch of games because he's a massive waste of $71 million. In other words, yes, he IS that bad.

I don't even know what this comment means. He's having a bad stretch, because he's being paid too much? Your hatred for Hardaway has you losing sense.

Lose lose lose

In comment 13829731 adamg said:

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I don't even know what this comment means. He's having a bad stretch, because he's being paid too much? Your hatred for Hardaway has you losing sense.

He's the same guy who said Burke wouldn't be an upgrade on Jarrett fkin Jack. His hatred for Michigan is making his posts sound like the ramblings of a mad man.

In comment 13829711 Pete44 said:

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I have heard Dolan liked Hardaway, was upset when Phil traded him, so to clinch the president's job, Mills signed him and made it impossible to match. Now, he will be the next untradeable contract.

This is 100% what happened.

Look at what Lou Williams just signed for ( 3/24 mill) for a player that is a better version of Hardaway but 31 years old.

I don't think hes a bad player and definitely flashes, but there was no reason for the Knicks to sign him to that type of deal. As someone said 3 for 50 would have been fine, but paying him 18 mill in that 4th year is a killer.

when he drops a couple of 40-point games in April to cost us draft positioning.

Jack, Lee, Ntilikina, Baker and Dotson was enough to cover the guard spots on a tanking team, but once again we had to spend in free agency to ensure 30 wins instead of 25. I have nothing against Timmy, but the timing for this deal just wasn't right. It reeks of Mills trying to score points with Jimmy Dolan.

He will get it back. It's all technique.

Take out November and he is shooting 37 percent from 3...

Yesterday playing with another point and knowing he was going to get the minutes he played the most aggressive I think I have seen him all year...

Frank and mudiay could be a nice little pairing and we should see it for at least a season and a half because next year should be all young guys

I think he could be really good as the sixth man. Considering we're banking on landing another 2 lotto picks, how bad of resource allocation is that? Especially if we keep trading assets for young players like Burke and Mudiay (ideally at other spots than PG too), hopefully one of which turns into a starter?

cost the Knicks the first pick a few years back and I can see him doing it again.

However, even if the Knicks end up in the top 5, they still have to make the right choice as there is a lot of talent, but not a clear number #1.

I missed the game. What impressed you guys w/ EM, I'd like to hear your thoughts?

My thoughts on him are as follows:

-unique size and uses it well when passing
-as pointed out by Jared Jeffries, a meek and finisher (b/c of mindset not physical limitations)
-jumper has improved to the point of being average
-size should result in greater rebounding and defensive prowess
-excellent handle and willing/talented passer

One comment on Frank: at no point did I ever thing he was a bad shooter (form wise), I just think his confidence wavers a bit and his limited "handle" prevents him from getting time/room to shoot

He has the upside of a superstar. Unimited range, great handle, great vision. He's still very young and can still grow into his body. I think we will have to either:

A. Get around pick 5-7 for that to even be possible(he can also end up going top 3, a lot to be decided)

B. Get lucky and win the lottery, which will never happen because good things don't happen to knicks fans.

In comment 13829807 Pep22 said:

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I missed the game. What impressed you guys w/ EM, I'd like to hear your thoughts? My thoughts on him are as follows: -unique size and uses it well when passing -as pointed out by Jared Jeffries, a meek and finisher (b/c of mindset not physical limitations) -jumper has improved to the point of being average -size should result in greater rebounding and defensive prowess -excellent handle and willing/talented passer One comment on Frank: at no point did I ever thing he was a bad shooter (form wise), I just think his confidence wavers a bit and his limited "handle" prevents him from getting time/room to shoot

He actually can hit pull up jumpers out of a pick and roll. That was refreshing.

With him hitting some twos and Frankie hitting some threes, you get reminded of how awful Jack is at shooting.

Obviously not great at creating his own shot, but he gets to the rim now and then. I think he's a better shooter than he's shown - chalk it up to being a rookie, new league, lacking confidence, etc., but I think that part of his game will really come around next season.

Mediocre athlete, small, plays no D. Honestly, the guy he reminds me of the most is D'Angelo Russell.

In comment 13829818 adamg said:

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In comment 13829807 Pep22 said: Quote: I missed the game. What impressed you guys w/ EM, I'd like to hear your thoughts? My thoughts on him are as follows: -unique size and uses it well when passing -as pointed out by Jared Jeffries, a meek and finisher (b/c of mindset not physical limitations) -jumper has improved to the point of being average -size should result in greater rebounding and defensive prowess -excellent handle and willing/talented passer One comment on Frank: at no point did I ever thing he was a bad shooter (form wise), I just think his confidence wavers a bit and his limited "handle" prevents him from getting time/room to shoot He actually can hit pull up jumpers out of a pick and roll. That was refreshing. With him hitting some twos and Frankie hitting some threes, you get reminded of how awful Jack is at shooting.

Looked like a far more natural PG than Frank. Better penetrator. His play around the basket is weird. Had one really great finish but he's kind of awkward there. He's not slight of build but plays that way a little bit. He's a bigger threat on the pick and roll than Frank because he's quicker and more of a threat to go to the hoop. Got to the hoop for a dunk which was pretty great.

Looked good with Frank on the floor at the same time. They looked pretty complimentary, which was nice to see.

He is tiny, turns the ball over a ton...i think he is going to struggle in the nba...

Miles bridges is my guy unless Knicks get lucky and move up..

Trae Young - Curry comparisons are illogical as Curry is bigger

Marvin Bagley - Have not seen enough yet, but some people I respect fear he is a Marvin Williams type pro

Michael Porter Jr - Workouts are going to be key

Ayton - Interesting center prospect from the Joel Embiid comparisons, could be safest prospect, but does he fit in today's NBA

Muhammed Bamba - I have not seen him play

Luke Donavic - really impressed me in the Euro-cup, has a great motor, but what is his position in the NBA. A good, but not great shooter.

Again, a lot of question marks, although the Knicks have drafted ok in recent memory, even if they tank enough, they really will need to hit it.

and that he's been using it with Frank.

Would be fun if this worked out and both guys developed into good NBA players.

was not bigger at that age. They are actually about the same size. I understand Youngs "faults", but his style looks very similar to Curry. Can and will shoot from anywhere. Has the ball in his hands on almost every play the whole game(no surprise his TO's are high, but so are his points and assists). I think he's gonna be a player if he fills out a bit.

Curry is taller, he is 6'3 or 6'4.

Trae Young is barely 6'0, that is a difference in the NBA.

is 6'11 and can do everything on the court. He's a stud.

And I know Young is listed at 6'2, but I call BS on that.

I have read that NBA scouts have some concerns about his athleticism at the pro level. Hence, the Marvin Williams/Tim Thomas comps.

He's grown a bit. Trae Young is listed at 6'2, 185. I think they are about the same size from when Curry was 19. Young still has time to grow.

On the eye test, Young looks about 6'0 to me while Curry is a true 6"3. Young could still grow though.

take a look at Curry from his freshman year. I think Young looks bigger and more filled out than even Curry did. Curry was TINY.

I like the idea of the Knicks taking a high risk high reward guy. Young has some of the tools to be a superstar and PG is so vital in today's NBA. Specifically one that can pass well. Knicks will probably be in the 5-8 range when all is said and done and you kind have to take a shot there. It's not like they have the 1 or 2 pick.

In comment 13829851 Pete44 said:

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I have read that NBA scouts have some concerns about his athleticism at the pro level. Hence, the Marvin Williams/Tim Thomas comps.

Pete-

"Against Texas and potential lottery pick Mo Bamba, Bagley had 34 points, 15 rebounds, three turnovers and just two fouls. He wasn't guarding Bamba throughout, but according to CBS Sports' tracking in the second half, he won more one-on-one battles for rebounds and scored more points on Bamba than vice-versa when the two were matched up.

"His second and third jump are as good as I've seen," one scout said. "

Interesting, if that is the case, he should be the consensus number 1 pick.

His athleticism is ridiculous.

I'm not as high on Kevin Knox and Miles Bridges as others, especially the latter. Knox is very talented, but he's a 4 IMO. I see some people trying to project him as a 3 and I just don't see that. If he was drafted with the intent to play him at the 4, I would be fine with that. I think Bridges is a tweener. I'm not really interested in him at all.

In comment 13829711 Pete44 said:

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I have heard Dolan liked Hardaway, was upset when Phil traded him, so to clinch the president's job, Mills signed him and made it impossible to match. Now, he will be the next untradeable contract.

Where did you hear that?