NFT: Knicks Chat: Mudiay looked good!

In comment 13829907 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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His athleticism is ridiculous. I'm not as high on Kevin Knox and Miles Bridges as others, especially the latter. Knox is very talented, but he's a 4 IMO. I see some people trying to project him as a 3 and I just don't see that. If he was drafted with the intent to play him at the 4, I would be fine with that. I think Bridges is a tweener. I'm not really interested in him at all.

Bridges may be a tweeter but in today's NBA 9 times out of 10 your 4 man is a tweener...

He can start at the 3 with kp and kanter and then when Knicks want to go small he can play the 4 with kp at the 5...

He is very athletic, can shoot the 3, good distributor, the biggest knock on him is he is a tweener...

Shoots 49 percent, 37 from 3, averaging 18 and 8 and 2 assists

In comment 13829907 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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His athleticism is ridiculous. I'm not as high on Kevin Knox and Miles Bridges as others, especially the latter. Knox is very talented, but he's a 4 IMO. I see some people trying to project him as a 3 and I just don't see that. If he was drafted with the intent to play him at the 4, I would be fine with that. I think Bridges is a tweener. I'm not really interested in him at all.

Bridges may be a tweeter but in today's NBA 9 times out of 10 your 4 man is a tweener...

He can start at the 3 with kp and kanter and then when Knicks want to go small he can play the 4 with kp at the 5...

He is very athletic, can shoot the 3, good distributor, the biggest knock on him is he is a tweener...

Shoots 49 percent, 37 from 3, averaging 18 and 8 and 2 assists

We can only hope that with time maybe any lingering leg pain will heal he will get his shot back. He can't hit anything right now.

There is a "slight" change to starting lineup tonight

In comment 13829921 steve in ky said:

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In comment 13829711 Pete44 said: Quote: I have heard Dolan liked Hardaway, was upset when Phil traded him, so to clinch the president's job, Mills signed him and made it impossible to match. Now, he will be the next untradeable contract. Where did you hear that?

I heard it in 2 places a writer friend and a person that works for MSG.

In comment 13829926 steve in ky said:

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We can only hope that with time maybe any lingering leg pain will heal he will get his shot back. He can't hit anything right now.

Yeah, not sure anyone thought he was a steal. He can have value as a player, but IMO, he will never have enough value to live up to that contract. He's ridiculously overpaid.

In comment 13829926 steve in ky said:

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We can only hope that with time maybe any lingering leg pain will heal he will get his shot back. He can't hit anything right now.

At $71m he never looked like a steal, he might have looked it was not as bad of a overprice as originally thought.

In comment 13829937 Keith said:

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In comment 13829926 steve in ky said: Quote: We can only hope that with time maybe any lingering leg pain will heal he will get his shot back. He can't hit anything right now. Yeah, not sure anyone thought he was a steal. He can have value as a player, but IMO, he will never have enough value to live up to that contract. He's ridiculously overpaid.

Maybe steal was too strong of words but when he was originality playing so well I remember many people feeling it looked more of a bargain than an over pay.


He is a mess right now regardless.

In comment 13829924 nygiants16 said:

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Bridges may be a tweeter but in today's NBA 9 times out of 10 your 4 man is a tweener...

I don't think he's athletic enough to guard the 3 or tall enough to be a 4. He's a good athlete with a really long wingspan, but NBA 3's are elite athletes and a 6-7 NBA 4? We can't expect him to be the next Draymond. He certainly could develop into that type of player, but I think the Knicks need more certainty with this lottery pick.

In comment 13829955 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 13829924 nygiants16 said: Quote: Bridges may be a tweeter but in today's NBA 9 times out of 10 your 4 man is a tweener... I don't think he's athletic enough to guard the 3 or tall enough to be a 4. He's a good athlete with a really long wingspan, but NBA 3's are elite athletes and a 6-7 NBA 4? We can't expect him to be the next Draymond. He certainly could develop into that type of player, but I think the Knicks need more certainty with this lottery pick.

Not athletic enough? Seriously?

And not big enough to guard the 4? C'mon he is 6 foot 7 230 pounds I thi nk he can handle himself in today's nba

found Mudiay to be very impressive but I will say his pure athleticism is/was pretty overstated.

Kp would most likely start at the 5 and bridges at the 4

wants KP playing the 5.

In comment 13829937 Keith said:

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In comment 13829926 steve in ky said: Quote: We can only hope that with time maybe any lingering leg pain will heal he will get his shot back. He can't hit anything right now. Yeah, not sure anyone thought he was a steal. He can have value as a player, but IMO, he will never have enough value to live up to that contract. He's ridiculously overpaid.

+10... anyone who thought he was looking like a "steal" likely was responding to the perception it was the worst contract ever. He was only going to be a steal if he broke out in a way that was unlikely to ever happen. When he's scoring he's good/solid and when he's not he's below average that = solid NBA player.

In comment 13829971 DanMetroMan said:

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found Mudiay to be very impressive but I will say his pure athleticism is/was pretty overstated.

He is a smooth athletic rather than Westbrook athletic of that makes sense?

And remember in Denver the offense runs through jokic, so this was probably the first game in awhile he was running an offense and he got 10 assists and never even practiced with the team

Starting.

In comment 13829976 Keith said:

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wants KP playing the 5.

He has to play the 5, he is to slow on the perimeter and his best attribute is shot blocking on defense

In comment 13829980 Carl in CT said:

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Starting.

Betting on Frank or Mudiay?

And a point who can drive would be a good start to the rebuild

In comment 13829982 adamg said:

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In comment 13829980 Carl in CT said: Quote: Starting. Betting on Frank or Mudiay?

Or they start burke and hornacek keeps Frank and mudiay together

In comment 13829978 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13829971 DanMetroMan said: Quote: found Mudiay to be very impressive but I will say his pure athleticism is/was pretty overstated. He is a smooth athletic rather than Westbrook athletic of that makes sense? And remember in Denver the offense runs through jokic, so this was probably the first game in awhile he was running an offense and he got 10 assists and never even practiced with the team

I agree. More smooth than run-jump, more Clyde than Westbrook and yeah he's not Clyde lol just saying.

In comment 13829986 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13829982 adamg said: Quote: In comment 13829980 Carl in CT said: Quote: Starting. Betting on Frank or Mudiay? Or they start burke and hornacek keeps Frank and mudiay together

Yesterday Frank and Mudiay had around 30 minutes a piece. Jack and Burke each had 8 minutes.

Maybe Jack is going to be cut back even more?

should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this.

In comment 13830001 DanMetroMan said:

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should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this.

Why release him now? He might as well ride the bench while teaching up the new guy and helping Frank adjust to getting more playing time.

Maybe Mudiay and Frank can be a poor mans version of Michael Ray Richardson and Ray Williams.

In comment 13830001 DanMetroMan said:

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should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this.

I am surprised the wizards didn't call seeing if they could get jack for a 2nd, they have no one at point right now

has actually played pretty well lately. I think teams like WAS just wanted to see who gets cut. They prolly figured that Jack or a jack level vet will get cut.

In comment 13830019 Italianju said:

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has actually played pretty well lately. I think teams like WAS just wanted to see who gets cut. They prolly figured that Jack or a jack level vet will get cut.

He got hurt didn't he?

In comment 13829969 nygiants16 said:

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Not athletic enough? Seriously? And not big enough to guard the 4? C'mon he is 6 foot 7 230 pounds I thi nk he can handle himself in today's nba

Just because he can jump doesn't mean he can stay in front of a quality NBA 3 when he has to guard them on the perimeter. Look around the NBA... there aren't many teams playing 6-7 4's the majority of the time. You might end up being right and I might be wrong. I'm just not willing to bet a vitally important lottery pick on Miles Bridges doing that.

like over the weekend. Plus it was a concussion so he prolly wont be out that long (that said Kris dunn was out weeks with his).

In comment 13830002 adamg said:

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In comment 13830001 DanMetroMan said: Quote: should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this. Why release him now? He might as well ride the bench while teaching up the new guy and helping Frank adjust to getting more playing time.

Because the moron coach will likely be tempted to play him if they struggle and the roster spot might be better served cycling in some younger options.

In comment 13830028 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13830002 adamg said: Quote: In comment 13830001 DanMetroMan said: Quote: should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this. Why release him now? He might as well ride the bench while teaching up the new guy and helping Frank adjust to getting more playing time. Because the moron coach will likely be tempted to play him if they struggle and the roster spot might be better served cycling in some younger options.

Well, I'd give him the choice. Ride the bench and mentor the kids or we can release you and you can try and catch on somewhere else, perhaps as a bench guy on a playoff team.

I don't see him as a guy that might be poisonous to the locker room, so there's little risk from him.

You're right to worry about Hornacek, though. But, I suspect he's been his given marching orders.

In comment 13830023 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 13829969 nygiants16 said: Quote: Not athletic enough? Seriously? And not big enough to guard the 4? C'mon he is 6 foot 7 230 pounds I thi nk he can handle himself in today's nba Just because he can jump doesn't mean he can stay in front of a quality NBA 3 when he has to guard them on the perimeter. Look around the NBA... there aren't many teams playing 6-7 4's the majority of the time. You might end up being right and I might be wrong. I'm just not willing to bet a vitally important lottery pick on Miles Bridges doing that.

Doesn't he start at the 3 in college?

athleticism. Men his size who have his kind of hops and quickness are extremely rare.

what is wrong with Knox? He's not even 19, so should improve as he matures. From SI:

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The Knicks’ biggest area of need is on the the wing, where they could use a versatile player to complement Kristaps Porzingis and Frank Ntilikina. An upside play makes sense with the timeline of their core, and Knox’s scoring ability, three-point shooting potential and ability to play either forward spot makes him a projectable fit. He’s made noticeable strides over the course of the season, particularly with his on-court approach, and has a lot of room to grow as he develops his ball-handling, works on his body and starts to unlock his versatility.

Last 5 games, he's 10 for 24 from the three--.417

but I was watching the Kentucky/Texas A&M game the other night and Knox - along with the rest of his teammates - was getting out-hustled up and down the floor. I was reading up on his scouting reports a bit and "motor" has been a red flag. I'd be a little worried about that, but he's certainly a worthy pick in the 8-10 range. Knox and the Bridges boys, and I wouldn't rule out Sexton either, especially if Frank transitions into more of a 3&D player.

In comment 13830076 bceagle05 said:

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but I was watching the Kentucky/Texas A&M game the other night and Knox - along with the rest of his teammates - was getting out-hustled up and down the floor. I was reading up on his scouting reports a bit and "motor" has been a red flag. I'd be a little worried about that, but he's certainly a worthy pick in the 8-10 range. Knox and the Bridges boys, and I wouldn't rule out Sexton either, especially if Frank transitions into more of a 3&D player.

I hate trying to project Kentucky players because calipari has guys play a certain role and that is it...

Look at Kat, nobody knew he had range because he never.showed it in college...

I wonder if Knicks will have any chance of his being there when they pick?

Lineup change is Lance Thomas starting for Courtney Lee per Begley

Nice. I feel like we haven't been seeing enough Lance Thomas. Always nice to get his minutes in early and often.

give Mudiay and Frank Lee to run with than it is about Lance. Who knows?

What has he done to deserve a start?

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That we only see mudiay and Frank together for a short time tonight if at all?

In comment 13830097 bceagle05 said:

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Who gives a shit?

So first sub is Lee for hardaway...

Frank comes in for jack

2nd quarter mudiay in for Frank and hardaway in for lance...

Calling it now this is how the subs go

Somebody needs to bang this guy on the head.

Again, Perry/Mills need to go to him that his job depends on the development of young players.

We should be seeing very little of Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee, Jarret Jack, Michael Beasley and Kyle O'Quinn.

In comment 13830088 ajr2456 said:

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Lineup change is Lance Thomas starting for Courtney Lee per Begley

About fucking time! We need Lance to develop. He won't become an all-star by sitting on the damn bench.

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Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too)