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Mike Pereira: Philly Special was an illegal formation

Giantsfan79 : 2/12/2018 5:36 pm
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One more item of interest, particularly to New England fans: According to Pereira, the “Philly Special” that produced a Nick Foles touchdown catch at the end of the first half and was the most memorable play of the Super Bowl should have been called back. Reason? The Eagles didn’t line up properly and should have been penalized.

“I know the league came out and said that it’s a judgment call, which it is.” Pereira said. “The down judge, who was the one that (the play) was on his side of the field … they felt that it was his judgment, and he (receiver Alshon Jeffrey) was close enough. Well, he wasn’t. They lined up wrong.

“Not only that, it’s a trick play. And if you’re going to run a trick-type play, then you have to be lined up properly. You could either have six men on the line, or you could have an ineligible number lined up at the end of the line, which was the case. I know what the league has said, but they would have been a lot more comfortable if they would have called an illegal formation.


I say put an asterisk next to their title. Or is Pereira just another grumpy old man?
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Eh,  
Snacks : 2/12/2018 5:42 pm : link
It's nice to see a call/non-call go against the Pats for once. ;)
NE won 2 they shouldn't have  
ZogZerg : 2/12/2018 5:46 pm : link
So I don't want to hear any complaining from their fans.
Several BBIers called  
section125 : 2/12/2018 6:04 pm : link
it as an illegal formation right away and I thought it was too after seeing the replay but it looked funky live...
Yeah, it was  
HomerJones45 : 2/12/2018 6:17 pm : link
but it didn't make any difference to the play, and it does not excuse the Pats' linebacker on that side from losing backside contain.

Here it is:
That was a ballsy call and the fact that Foles  
giant24 : 2/12/2018 6:23 pm : link
went over to the sideline and pitched the idea to Pederson to run that play makes it even more impressive. I have the Eagles with a passion but it's kind of hard to dislike Foles and Pederson.
SB Nation analyzed the call  
CT Charlie : 2/12/2018 6:33 pm : link
and said that Jeffrey had gotten the OK from the side judge that he was close enough to the line of scrimmage to count. Apparently the WR's aren't always lined up perfectly on the LOS, but they check with the side judge to make sure they're not going to be flagged.
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Against the Patriots  
prdave73 : 2/12/2018 6:47 pm : link
you have to make those types of calls. Finally a coach came to play and out coached them. Something the Seattle and Atlanta needed to do..
I am glad  
Mr. Nickels : 2/12/2018 7:09 pm : link
you guys are so happy about this
So ... I guess they cheated?  
short lease : 2/12/2018 7:14 pm : link
Or at least got a lucky non-call? Against New England? ..... excuse me if my heart doesn't bleed.
Mike Periera,  
RottenApple : 2/12/2018 7:30 pm : link
there’s one guy people should really give two shits about.
RE: SB Nation analyzed the call  
Giantfan in skinland : 2/12/2018 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13830338 CT Charlie said:
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and said that Jeffrey had gotten the OK from the side judge that he was close enough to the line of scrimmage to count. Apparently the WR's aren't always lined up perfectly on the LOS, but they check with the side judge to make sure they're not going to be flagged. Philly Special - ( New Window )


I think they're right...but worth noting, they say he "almost surely" got clearance when he pointed at the ref. No way to know for sure that he actually did/that the ref saw the quick point and responded (rather than just was looking elsewhere and didn't make the call for that reason).
The Clement TD reception was the call  
The_Boss : 2/12/2018 7:58 pm : link
That had to be reversed. I’ve watched that “catch” about 10 times and I still don’t know what the fuck Sterratore/Riveron saw to allow that to stand.
The RT was almost  
old man : 2/12/2018 8:19 pm : link
a full 2 yards off the LOS and Jeffrey was only about a 1/3-1/2 yard off him so I guess they let it go because it was based on the position of the RT who was presumed lined up properly.
Didn't Giants WRs or TEs get about a flag a game for not covering the T? Often 3rd down too IIRC.
NFL officiating has been an absolute joke  
est1986 : 2/12/2018 8:24 pm : link
It gets worse and worse each year... the inconsistency in officiating is easily the biggest issue I have with the NFL
RE: The RT was almost  
est1986 : 2/12/2018 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13830454 old man said:
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a full 2 yards off the LOS and Jeffrey was only about a 1/3-1/2 yard off him so I guess they let it go because it was based on the position of the RT who was presumed lined up properly.
Didn't Giants WRs or TEs get about a flag a game for not covering the T? Often 3rd down too IIRC.


Alshon is soooo far off the LOS. It should have been a routine call looking at that screen shot posted. No need to make excuses for these officials, they just are not very good.
This is one of the reasons why the NFL is declining in popularity  
Knineteen : 2/12/2018 8:38 pm : link
I don't understand one god damn thing about this...and I've been watching the NFL for 25 years.

How do you expect the younger generation to understand any of this complicated garbage?
RE: I am glad  
Sean : 2/12/2018 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13830384 Mr. Nickels said:
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you guys are so happy about this


It’s a complete disgrace.
So many Giants fans seem pretty pleased  
Mr. Bungle : 2/12/2018 8:45 pm : link
that the Eagles won a Super Bowl.

That'll show that AFC East team!!!
So between this and  
St. Jimmy : 2/13/2018 6:20 am : link
the first touchdown of the second half where the guy got one foot down before stepping on the line, the margin of victory in the game came from bad officiating. The way the season went, it is a fitting end. Shame it handed the Eagles the Superbowl.
Cr@p!  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/13/2018 7:21 am : link
Here we are giving band space to the frikken Eagles. I hope and pray that Gettleman and Shurmur find a way to erase this continuing nightmare.
RE: This is one of the reasons why the NFL is declining in popularity  
Matt M. : 2/13/2018 7:40 am : link
In comment 13830469 Knineteen said:
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I don't understand one god damn thing about this...and I've been watching the NFL for 25 years.

How do you expect the younger generation to understand any of this complicated garbage?
This is nothing new. This is a basic NFL rule for decades. The difference is that, over time, they have let players ger away with more and more. Look at those OL. Only the OC is on the LOS. The other 4 are a full yard off the line and in 2 point stances. Neither was allowed 30 years ago.

I'm not sure if OL have to check in with officials to line up that way. But concessions were made cirst cor the OTs, then interior OL to allow for the 2 point stance and lining up slightly off the ball to combat the speed rushers on the outside. I think it was supposed to only be in certaind down/distances, but now it is allowed way too often.

On the flip side, I always think DL are allowed too much leeway lining up in the neutral zone.
RE: So between this and  
Matt M. : 2/13/2018 7:43 am : link
In comment 13830641 St. Jimmy said:
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the first touchdown of the second half where the guy got one foot down before stepping on the line, the margin of victory in the game came from bad officiating. The way the season went, it is a fitting end. Shame it handed the Eagles the Superbowl.
That was a TD, in my opinion. But, the most important thing is that it waz called a catch/ TD on the field. That means irrefutable evidence was required in replay. That simply didnt exist. So, in replay, the official doesn't have to be convinced it was a catch. It remains a cztch simply if he is not convinced it is not a catch.
Would have been interesting  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 2/13/2018 8:32 am : link
Wonder what would have happened if they tried to pass to the only receiver actually lined up on the line (Agholor, maybe?) If Jeffrey is "on the line", you could easily argue that Ertz(?) at the bottom of the formation is as well since they're basically parallel. That would put 8 on the line making only Jeffrey and Ertz eligible (at least of the players "on the line"). I know it wouldn't have been called, but it just goes to show how ridiculous it is when the NFL can't even enforce simple procedure rules correctly. It doesn't matter if Jeffrey got permission or not. Either way, the ref was absolutely wrong.
RE: NFL officiating has been an absolute joke  
HomerJones45 : 2/13/2018 8:42 am : link
In comment 13830457 est1986 said:
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It gets worse and worse each year... the inconsistency in officiating is easily the biggest issue I have with the NFL
Eh, I am not so sure. The officials are if anything, over-scrutinized by zealous fans anxious to find some excuse for their team or gamblers who failed to beat the spread pointing to woulda-coulda-shoulda and blaming calls or failing to make calls for their troubles, fed by guys like Pereira whose rice bowls are filled by Tuesday morning officiating.

When some technicality would not have made any difference to a play, then I am glad the official had enough sense to swallow the whistle. If Jeffrey lined up 3 or 4 feet behind the line (and wideouts do check that with officials, they've been mic'd asking about it), it made no difference to the play. Yeah Pats fans and gamblers will bitch and moan but to the rest of the viewers, they wanted to see if the play would succeed, not watch a fluttering yellow flag.

The linebacker on that side could have made things academic by paying attention to Foles. I would guess someone in the Eagles film room noticed that the guy paid no attention to his side when the play went away from him and took advantage.
So many eagle fans  
NoPeanutz : 2/13/2018 9:43 am : link
On this site. Maybe this year, some of these fans will actually buy some of the tixx to see them play in NJ, instead of surrendering the stadium to people from Philadelphia.
Give me a fucking break  
PaulN : 2/13/2018 3:17 pm : link
THE EAGLES ARE CHAMPIONS, get over it already for Pete's sake, the jealousy is pathetic. They have been a really good franchise for a lot of years, they deserved winning a Super Bowl.
I would..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2018 3:22 pm : link
agree this is true:

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NFL officiating has been an absolute joke
est1986 : 2/12/2018 8:24 pm : link : reply
It gets worse and worse each year... the inconsistency in officiating is easily the biggest issue I have with the NFL


However, it doesn't really apply to this play. It applies to the game overall as it was the first NFL game this season not to have a single holding penalty called and at least one of the TD catches have been consistently overturned on replay in regular season games.

It is interesting because in "letting the player's decide the outcome" ,they basically still had controversy surround them. Why? Because of inconsistency.
RE: I would..  
HomerJones45 : 2/13/2018 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13831383 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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agree this is true:



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NFL officiating has been an absolute joke
est1986 : 2/12/2018 8:24 pm : link : reply
It gets worse and worse each year... the inconsistency in officiating is easily the biggest issue I have with the NFL



However, it doesn't really apply to this play. It applies to the game overall as it was the first NFL game this season not to have a single holding penalty called and at least one of the TD catches have been consistently overturned on replay in regular season games.

It is interesting because in "letting the player's decide the outcome" ,they basically still had controversy surround them. Why? Because of inconsistency.
Or over-analysis from 52 cameras at the ballpark showing plays from angles that no human could see.

Believe it or not, there was a time in the NFL when an official threw a flag or didn't throw a flag and the players got back up, huddled and kept playing. No one worried about whether x, y or z should have been called or not called or whether the officials were "consistent". One hardly took notice of the officials.

It was a hell of alot more entertaining than listening to endless diatribes about officiating, technical explanations of rules or listening to the talking heads in the booth, some of whom know better, yammering on about the officials. You guys sound like a bunch of lawyers constantly complaining about the judge, who are every bit as inconsistent.

Personally, I think they should prohibit replays of penalty calls, take the mic off the referee and just play.
And..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2018 8:27 pm : link
you'd probably be lucky not to drop your fedora or get you bell bottoms drug through the mud:

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Personally, I think they should prohibit replays of penalty calls, take the mic off the referee and just play.


Technology changes things. It is the genie that broke through the bottle. While your fuzzy Panasonic 18" TV couldn't really show definition, you can literally see individual blades of grass. People weren't as outraged before because they couldn't hear the bad call from Myron Cope's voice over their crackling AM channel.

Once they started seeing blatant errors, that's when replay was implemented. They got tired of seeing an Oiler ruled out of bounds on a winning TD catch.

I don't necessarily think replay has been a good thing, but it is now a necessary evil.
This was floating around the day after  
giantsfan227B : 2/14/2018 10:28 am : link
Nice to see it come out more than a week afterwards but it just goes to show how poorly that game was officiated. On a key 4th and short with 7 minutes in 4th quarter there was a major pick run by the Eagles that wasn't called either that resulted in a 1st and a score.
RE: And..  
HomerJones45 : 2/14/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13831682 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you'd probably be lucky not to drop your fedora or get you bell bottoms drug through the mud:



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Personally, I think they should prohibit replays of penalty calls, take the mic off the referee and just play.



Technology changes things. It is the genie that broke through the bottle. While your fuzzy Panasonic 18" TV couldn't really show definition, you can literally see individual blades of grass. People weren't as outraged before because they couldn't hear the bad call from Myron Cope's voice over their crackling AM channel.

Once they started seeing blatant errors, that's when replay was implemented. They got tired of seeing an Oiler ruled out of bounds on a winning TD catch.

I don't necessarily think replay has been a good thing, but it is now a necessary evil.
Yuk, yuk, yuk.

Just because technology exists, does not mean its application is desirable or helpful.

It also does not mean that the current application of replay has ended controversies or led to "better" results. It has engendered all new controversies, interrupted the flow of the game, led players to demonstrate for flags on every freaking pass play, and taken the focus off the actual game and placed it on officiating. There is no better indicator of this pernicious influence than our own game threads which are filled with comments about officiating, and your weekly rant about officiating.

If the application of a technology is not helping the game, which is the important part, than it has become the tail wagging the dog and the experiment needs to be scrapped.
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