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NFT: Is Hornacek Insane?

Pete44 : 2/13/2018 9:30 am
I watched part of the Knicks game last night in the hope to watch them lose, but to also see more of Mudiay and Frenchie in the same backcourt.

Instead, we got a ton of Jarrett Jack, Courtney Lee and Lance Thomas.

At times, the lineup was Jack, Hardaway, Lee or Thomas, Beasley and Kanter.

I don't care if Ben Simmons scores 50 points, no need to play Lance Thomas extra minutes.

I don't know if management has or has not told Hornacek that his job depends on the younger players or not, but if they not, they need too.

The worst case scenario is going to happen as the veterans are going to lead the Knicks to 7-9 more wins this season, which will keep us around 9 or 10 in the draft and we will have no idea if the younger players are keepers are not.

It is extremely frustrating!

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Why  
DanMetroMan : 2/13/2018 10:16 am : link
do you guys think Jimmy Butler is so underrated coverage wise? The numbers absolutely love the guy.
RE: Why  
TyreeHelmet : 2/13/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13830812 DanMetroMan said:
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do you guys think Jimmy Butler is so underrated coverage wise? The numbers absolutely love the guy.


Style of play. Doesn't really make highlight reel dunks and the media doesn't really praise perimeter defense. The guy is a terrific player though. In the MVP race...
There is no reason to do a max for kp this offseason  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 10:22 am : link
You tell him we need as much flexibility as we can get then we take care of you...

Lance is non guaranteed, that is 7 million off right there..

Lee will most likely be traded this offseason...

Noah can be stretched if someone is coming, that is another 10..

You are now down to 39 with 105 million cap..

Knicks have plenty of flexibility
RE: Why  
Enzo : 2/13/2018 10:24 am : link
In comment 13830812 DanMetroMan said:
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do you guys think Jimmy Butler is so underrated coverage wise? The numbers absolutely love the guy.

maybe he was overshadowed for a while by the Derrick Rose sideshow and the Thibs/front office drama....and then once it finally became his team, they simply weren't any good.
RE: didn't see this posted last week...  
DanMetroMan : 2/13/2018 10:24 am : link
In comment 13830791 Mike in St. Louis said:
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one man's opinions on the Willy and Mudiay trades...fair warning though, it's from Bleacher Report...

"The basics of Perry's plan—which he's drawn up alongside team president Steve Mills—are simple: Enter summer 2019 with a clean cap so the Knicks can reel in a big fish from a group of free agents that could include, among others, Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, Kyrie Irving and Jimmy Butler."

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"But in Perry's view, there's a proper way to go about luring stars. He touched on that Friday.

"I think that in terms of players and free agents looking to the Knicks ... they'll see how this team is coming together in terms of playing hard, trying to support one another," he said. "They sense it. They see where the culture is headed, where we're going. And I think there will be players that will want to be a part of that. Players want to be a part of teams. They want to be a part of families where they're being supported and cared for and developed and all of those things.""

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""It wasn't going to be an overnight turnaround from the beginning," Perry said. "We're going to continue to make moves that are very prudent not only from a talent perspective but [also for] managing the salary cap. We have a plan in place to get there."

We know what that plan is. Will it succeed? Well, we'll have to wait about 16 months, until June 2019, to see." Link - ( New Window )


Weitzman is one of the best writers covering the Knicks Bleacher Report or not.
RE: There is no reason to do a max for kp this offseason  
Enzo : 2/13/2018 10:27 am : link
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no reason? Really? It's a huge risk letting him play 2019/2020 on the qualifying offer.
RE: RE: There is no reason to do a max for kp this offseason  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 10:29 am : link
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no reason? Really? It's a huge risk letting him play 2019/2020 on the qualifying offer.


He would be signed after next year, he is not playing on the qualifying offer...

RE: didn't see this posted last week...  
Keith : 2/13/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 13830791 Mike in St. Louis said:
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one man's opinions on the Willy and Mudiay trades...fair warning though, it's from Bleacher Report...

"The basics of Perry's plan—which he's drawn up alongside team president Steve Mills—are simple: Enter summer 2019 with a clean cap so the Knicks can reel in a big fish from a group of free agents that could include, among others, Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, Kyrie Irving and Jimmy Butler."

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"But in Perry's view, there's a proper way to go about luring stars. He touched on that Friday.

"I think that in terms of players and free agents looking to the Knicks ... they'll see how this team is coming together in terms of playing hard, trying to support one another," he said. "They sense it. They see where the culture is headed, where we're going. And I think there will be players that will want to be a part of that. Players want to be a part of teams. They want to be a part of families where they're being supported and cared for and developed and all of those things.""

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""It wasn't going to be an overnight turnaround from the beginning," Perry said. "We're going to continue to make moves that are very prudent not only from a talent perspective but [also for] managing the salary cap. We have a plan in place to get there."

We know what that plan is. Will it succeed? Well, we'll have to wait about 16 months, until June 2019, to see." Link - ( New Window )


I like that they have a plan, that's a start. Seems as though the plan was never to tank in any situation. This season has fallen apart at the seams so there is no other option, but it sounds like they will not be tanking next season. They are going to try and build a team to win next year to improve the culture and the optics for FA's.
RE: There is no reason to do a max for kp this offseason  
TyreeHelmet : 2/13/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13830818 nygiants16 said:
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You tell him we need as much flexibility as we can get then we take care of you...

Lance is non guaranteed, that is 7 million off right there..

Lee will most likely be traded this offseason...

Noah can be stretched if someone is coming, that is another 10..

You are now down to 39 with 105 million cap..

Knicks have plenty of flexibility


You are missing some key points here. It won't be easy to trade Lee without taking money back. Definitely the most attainable out of the 3 big contracts though.

You are going to ask Porzingis to play on a qualifying offer that will make him a unrestricted free agent in 2020? Thats insanely risky and there is no way he is agreeing to take a 20 million discount year 1 and risk jeopardizing a max contract with his injury history. Not happening.

You also have to account for other players, draft picks, cap holds. They have to fill out a roster next year and the Knicks have shown zero ability to have financial restraint with free agents.
Free agency is after next year  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 10:35 am : link
Who said anything about kp playing on the qualifying offer?

He plays next year on his 4th year and then he is signed next off-season, no qualifying offer..

He simply waits until free agents are signed, same exact thing spurs did with laehi..

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Enzo : 2/13/2018 10:35 am : link
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no reason? Really? It's a huge risk letting him play 2019/2020 on the qualifying offer.



He would be signed after next year, he is not playing on the qualifying offer...

if you sign him after next year you don't gain any flexibility. WTF?
And I never took out Lee's 12 million  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 10:36 am : link
I took out lance and noah contract..
RE: RE: RE: RE: There is no reason to do a max for kp this offseason  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 10:38 am : link
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no reason? Really? It's a huge risk letting him play 2019/2020 on the qualifying offer.



He would be signed after next year, he is not playing on the qualifying offer...



if you sign him after next year you don't gain any flexibility. WTF?


The year kawhi and kyrie are free agents is after next year, of course they gain flexibility
The only thing on the books is his cap hold  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 10:39 am : link
They sign 2 max and then resign kp..really not that hard to understand
I don't love Horn  
djm : 2/13/2018 10:46 am : link
but you guys tend to overstate the minutes thing with Jack. Mudiay likely didn't play 25+ last night because it was back to back and he hasn't had much practice time here with the club.

Some of you get the vapors over 2-3-4 minutes of play. Frank is getting plenty of time here in his rookie year. Mudiay will get plenty as well. Burke doesn't seem to be getting much, but it's possible that he fucking sucks...i know that's hard to accept...but it's a probably conclusion.

In any case, the Knicks are terrible across the board. Horn isn't the best coach out there but I don't think he's this terrible clueless entity some of you insist on parroting around here. He does seem to have the respect of the players and he seems like a good communicator. Ok maybe he should play guys like Burke more minutes and maybe Thomas doesn't belong on an NBA roster let alone the starting lineup, but he does play hard and focuses on defense, something this team needs to emulate.

I'm sure I will get shit on for that post. Have at it.
No you're right  
adamg : 2/13/2018 10:49 am : link
Hornacek is really good.
RE: And I never took out Lee's 12 million  
TyreeHelmet : 2/13/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 13830850 nygiants16 said:
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I took out lance and noah contract..


I never accounted for Lance Thomas- only guaranteed for 1 mill the last year.

Fair point about KP doing a Kawhi but you are still risking him accepting that qualifying offer and becoming an unrestricted FA. And I’m guessing KP wants that extension this summer with the knee injury.

Bottom line is that it’s going to be hard to create 1 max spot in cap space in 2019. Creating 2 spots would be incredibly hard and very costly.
No it's really not hard at all  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 10:54 am : link
Seeing as they could easily get rid of 17 million with 2 moves..

And if you talk to kp and tell him the plan and then say you are going to take care of him he is not going to demand a contract ..

Same arguments every day for the past 3 months  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/13/2018 10:55 am : link
-Why Lance?
-Why Jack?
-Bad rotations
-Horrible substitutions
-Bad defense
-Oh, great another team going off behind the arc
-We suck at shooting the 3
-Are we actually running plays?
-Where are the young guys?

Every. Flipping. Day. It’s getting old. I might just start checking out the box scores and save myself 2 and half hours every game.
RE: The only thing on the books is his cap hold  
Enzo : 2/13/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 13830857 nygiants16 said:
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They sign 2 max and then resign kp..really not that hard to understand

you're right but it still comes with risk. He's then only one year away from unrestricted free agency. The Spurs had the organizational credibility to sell a plan like this to Kawhi. The Knicks are a clownshow until proven otherwise.
I just don't trust Hornacek to develop players  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2018 10:59 am : link
the way Brett Brown or Kenny Atkinson develop players. That's what the Knicks need right now - a developer, not a master strategist (though Hornacek is neither). They need to find a guy like that this summer.

Next year's team will include most - if not all - of the following players: KP, Hardaway, Frank, a top 10 pick, Mudiay, Burke, Baker, Dotson, and two second round picks.

There's some legit talent there, and we need someone to maximize it.

RE: No it's really not hard at all  
TyreeHelmet : 2/13/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 13830878 nygiants16 said:
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Seeing as they could easily get rid of 17 million with 2 moves..

And if you talk to kp and tell him the plan and then say you are going to take care of him he is not going to demand a contract ..


Im sure that conversation with KP will go over great...

And you are going to move 50 million in salary between Lee/ Hardaway/ Noah and not take any money back? That's going to cost you 3 future 1st round picks and probably more...
RE: No you're right  
djm : 2/13/2018 11:03 am : link
In comment 13830869 adamg said:
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Hornacek is really good.


Yup that's exactly what I said.

I said he was ordinary...maybe even a little worse but he's not clueless and complaints about a difference of 3-4-5 minutes doesn't change that. He could just be easing guys like Frank and Mudiay along. Can't speak to Burke but after his first 2 games here he looks like shit, in limited playing time... one thing is certain, Burke can't play D. Surprise.
I do want to replace Horn  
djm : 2/13/2018 11:05 am : link
I just want to make replace him with a clear upgrade. Not a another lateral move please. We fire one guy and replace him with another guy...rinse...repeat..over and over and over again.

The bad thing with firing a guy for shits and giggles is that the next guy immediately comes in with a 2 year grace period. So if the next guy sucks we just lost 2 more years.

You want to fire Horn be my guest, but you better bring in an upgrade or we just lost another 2-3 years.
Free Agents  
Pete44 : 2/13/2018 11:13 am : link
We can never count on free agents coming to the Knicks, it has yet to work out. I hate to say this but as many NBA guys have said, the Knicks are not a top NBA destination. Maybe, that changes in the future, but it has not been since Checketts/Riley/Grunfeld.

The best plan remains, develop the young guys, we have now, hope to get two blue chip prospects in the 2 upcoming drafts to play along KP and maybe Frenchie and Hardaway. Once, that happens the culture may improve and maybe a FA comes here.
What NBA players said they wouldn't come to the Knicks?  
Keith : 2/13/2018 11:16 am : link
Draymond Green? Eff him, nobody cares what he says. After the Dolan/Oakley situation became public, it was the hot topic...until Kyrie actually tried to get to NY. Plenty of players will want to play in NY. NY is a great city to play ball in. Your initial point is correct, we have a terrible history of signing FA's, but plenty of players will want to play in NY if we could show competence.
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nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13830891 TyreeHelmet said:
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Seeing as they could easily get rid of 17 million with 2 moves..

And if you talk to kp and tell him the plan and then say you are going to take care of him he is not going to demand a contract ..




Im sure that conversation with KP will go over great...

And you are going to move 50 million in salary between Lee/ Hardaway/ Noah and not take any money back? That's going to cost you 3 future 1st round picks and probably more...


Noah can be stretched if a guy agrees to come, takes off 10 million..

If kp says no money now after you explain to him you need the fle,mobility to go out and add 2 stars I would be shocked, you just promise him that you will max him out..

Plenty of superstars have done this
RE: Free Agents  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13830918 Pete44 said:
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We can never count on free agents coming to the Knicks, it has yet to work out. I hate to say this but as many NBA guys have said, the Knicks are not a top NBA destination. Maybe, that changes in the future, but it has not been since Checketts/Riley/Grunfeld.

The best plan remains, develop the young guys, we have now, hope to get two blue chip prospects in the 2 upcoming drafts to play along KP and maybe Frenchie and Hardaway. Once, that happens the culture may improve and maybe a FA comes here.


You have to do both, you have to hit on draft picks and hit in free agency..

If kp comes back healthy Knicks will be appealing..

The reason the 2010 plan was flawed was because they had no one on the roster to attract a free agent
RE: What NBA players said they wouldn't come to the Knicks?  
Pete44 : 2/13/2018 11:24 am : link
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Draymond Green? Eff him, nobody cares what he says. After the Dolan/Oakley situation became public, it was the hot topic...until Kyrie actually tried to get to NY. Plenty of players will want to play in NY. NY is a great city to play ball in. Your initial point is correct, we have a terrible history of signing FA's, but plenty of players will want to play in NY if we could show competence.


I'm saying we need to make this a more attraction destination or it will be 2010 all over again. The Knicks have to have KP healthy and other young players. In addition, the culture of ineptitude and chaos has to end. Even the Noah situation is not a good optically for the Knicks.

I think player would love to play for the Knicks, but they won't set themselves up to fail for be the media scapegoat. (See Lebron James). If we are going to think back fondly on Melo, at least he embraced it as flawed of a player he was.
Pete,  
Keith : 2/13/2018 11:25 am : link
Ok, I understand you now. I agree completely.
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Pete44 : 2/13/2018 11:27 am : link
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We can never count on free agents coming to the Knicks, it has yet to work out. I hate to say this but as many NBA guys have said, the Knicks are not a top NBA destination. Maybe, that changes in the future, but it has not been since Checketts/Riley/Grunfeld.

The best plan remains, develop the young guys, we have now, hope to get two blue chip prospects in the 2 upcoming drafts to play along KP and maybe Frenchie and Hardaway. Once, that happens the culture may improve and maybe a FA comes here.



You have to do both, you have to hit on draft picks and hit in free agency..

If kp comes back healthy Knicks will be appealing..

The reason the 2010 plan was flawed was because they had no one on the roster to attract a free agent


I think hitting it on the draft, precedes getting a free agent here. Also, the culture of chaos and ineptitude has to change.

One of the reasons that I hate Isola is that his tweets and constant bashing of the Knicks does not help. The players read social media all the time and his stuff sticks.
Pete agreed 100 oercent  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 11:32 am : link
You mention isola everyone in New York radio is ripping the knicks
Houston  
DanMetroMan : 2/13/2018 11:34 am : link
releasing Troy Williams. Showed flashes last year, wouldn't be a horrible addition.
Messina/Coach Bud/Offer a second  
DanMetroMan : 2/13/2018 11:35 am : link
for Snider (doubt Utah bites).
Pete  
TyreeHelmet : 2/13/2018 11:58 am : link
Excellent points. Big FAs want to win. The draft is more important and development of Frank. Hit on these next 2 picks and get KP healthy and make Frank a starting guard and you are starting to build something.

The draft is a crapshoot. We got very lucky with KP and possibly missed on Frank ( still too early). But that’s how lottery picks go- you need multiple cracks at it. That was Hinkies philosophy and it proved true. Embiid/Simmons/Saric vs Okafor/ Noel / MCW and maybe Futz?
I will yet again repeat what I ave been saying about Frank.  
manh george : 2/13/2018 12:29 pm : link
As a 19-y-o who got little pt the year before last nd has never had strength or balance training, he has huge physical upside. The strength training ill help his outside shooting, quickness, jumping, stamina, etc. Will that make him a really high level talent?I have no idea. I do think that he will be a solid three-point shooter, though. He has the stroke, needs the legs and strength. Btw, many 19-y-os ares still growing, too. Could be 6'6", anyway, and a really good companion to Mudiay.

Separate topic--tanking: If you look at the rankings and records of the teams behind the Knicks in w-l, doing better than the eighth slot is tough, and even that is doubtful. Right now they are ninth. The Bulls are the only team in either conference less than 4 games behind the Knicks, and none of the others is winning much except Sacramento. Maybe they fall below Sacramento and get to eighth. I'm still looking at one of the SFs at that slot.
Chicago may pass us.  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2018 12:35 pm : link
Memphis just got Tyreke Evans back from injury, so hopefully they have a some life in them. Beyond that I don't see much upward mobility unless we go 2-22 from here on out.
Nets are 1-9 in their last 10.  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2018 12:41 pm : link
Really hit the skids after being somewhat competitive in the first half of the season.
the Bulls  
Enzo : 2/13/2018 12:44 pm : link
should pass by us at some point. I'm hoping the Nets do as well eventually, simply because they have no reason to tank. No way we catch the Suns or Kings. That leaves the Grizz, Magic, Mavs, and Hawks. Maybe we get lucky and 1-2 of them string some random wins together. The Mavs and Hawks are well coached so you never know.
RE: Nets are 1-9 in their last 10.  
Greg from LI : 2/13/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13831158 bceagle05 said:
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Really hit the skids after being somewhat competitive in the first half of the season.


But....but....CULTURE!
RE: Houston  
Pep22 : 2/13/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13830996 DanMetroMan said:
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releasing Troy Williams. Showed flashes last year, wouldn't be a horrible addition.


I was thinking the same.
RE: RE: Nets are 1-9 in their last 10.  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 12:58 pm : link
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Really hit the skids after being somewhat competitive in the first half of the season.



But....but....CULTURE!


Haha I was listening to the radio yeaterday, nets fans calling in ripping the knicks saying they are not building anything and they stink, Michael Kay of course agreed with them..

I am thinking wait a second the nets suck and they have no draft pick..

At least the knicks will add another lottery pick to kp
RE: the Bulls  
Mike in NJ : 2/13/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13831166 Enzo said:
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should pass by us at some point. I'm hoping the Nets do as well eventually, simply because they have no reason to tank. No way we catch the Suns or Kings. That leaves the Grizz, Magic, Mavs, and Hawks. Maybe we get lucky and 1-2 of them string some random wins together. The Mavs and Hawks are well coached so you never know.


This team is terrible now. It wouldn't shock me if they finish out the season with only 3 or 4 more wins. As of today, Dallas and Atlanta are on a 26 win pace and as you said are both well coached. I think it's realistic they finish ahead of the Knicks. Orlando, Memphis, Brooklyn, and Chicago are all on pace for 27 wins or more. We will be neck and neck with all of them, but I would expect Orlando to be the one to finish worse than NY.

I agree that Phoenix and Sacramento are terrible, it's unlikely we catch either of them, but a top 5 pick seems pretty realistic to me.
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Pete44 : 2/13/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13831230 Mike in NJ said:
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should pass by us at some point. I'm hoping the Nets do as well eventually, simply because they have no reason to tank. No way we catch the Suns or Kings. That leaves the Grizz, Magic, Mavs, and Hawks. Maybe we get lucky and 1-2 of them string some random wins together. The Mavs and Hawks are well coached so you never know.



This team is terrible now. It wouldn't shock me if they finish out the season with only 3 or 4 more wins. As of today, Dallas and Atlanta are on a 26 win pace and as you said are both well coached. I think it's realistic they finish ahead of the Knicks. Orlando, Memphis, Brooklyn, and Chicago are all on pace for 27 wins or more. We will be neck and neck with all of them, but I would expect Orlando to be the one to finish worse than NY.

I agree that Phoenix and Sacramento are terrible, it's unlikely we catch either of them, but a top 5 pick seems pretty realistic to me.


Unfortunately, Hornacek is going to continue to play Beasley/Kanter/Hardaway/Jack/Lee and a few others big minutes, which will probably have us win about 5 -7 more games by accient, which will keep us in the in the 8-10 range instead of Top 5. It is why we go nuts each day, because we all know it is destined to happen.
Yep, Lee/Hardaway/Kanter/Beasley  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2018 1:56 pm : link
might be just enough talent keep us locked into an 8th or 9th pick, assuming we get anything from the point guards. But let's hope for the best.
KP got fixed today...  
Keith : 2/13/2018 2:37 pm : link

Kristaps Porzingis underwent successful surgery today to repair a torn ACL in his left knee on Tuesday.

The Knicks have not yet provided a timetable for his return, but he is likely looking at between 10-12 months of rehab. Let's hope the Unicorn comes back stronger than ever. He is the only player in NBA history to average at least 1.5 3-pointers and 2.0 blocks over the first three seasons of his NBA career.




I'd guess his true timetable will be 9-12 months. They can be very conservative with KP and he should still get back in 9 months(assuming no setbacks). Plenty of players have come back between 6-9 months, but KP is unique in his body type. I still say November/December of 2018 is when we should see the big guy back on the floor.
RE: RE: No you're right  
adamg : 2/13/2018 2:49 pm : link
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Hornacek is really good.



Yup that's exactly what I said.

I said he was ordinary...maybe even a little worse but he's not clueless and complaints about a difference of 3-4-5 minutes doesn't change that. He could just be easing guys like Frank and Mudiay along. Can't speak to Burke but after his first 2 games here he looks like shit, in limited playing time... one thing is certain, Burke can't play D. Surprise.


I was fucking with you a bit since you were playing devils advocate. But I agree with you that we shouldn't change for changes same. Ideally we'd bring in a guy who can improve kids. That should be our focus. Maximizing potential. I don't trust Hornacek for that.
Last week I was of the belief that the Knicks win 7-8 games  
djm : 2/13/2018 2:55 pm : link
Over this final stretch of games this season but now I'm not so sure. Their best players don't play D and their best defensive players don't score. This is a new kind of Knicks suck. Can we win just 3?

I'm not the biggest more ardent tank supporter but now? I'm all in. Think good, bad lousy bball nyk thoughts...believe.....
Adamg  
djm : 2/13/2018 2:58 pm : link
Yeah horn doesn't inspire me in the least but I have hopes that he could be the right guy to turn a guy a like mudiay (frank too) around. Just a hope. I don't think he brings much else here to the table but if he could resurrect a guy or two and hold the tank fort until this team is ready to compete, why not.

I sure as hell won't shed a tear if when he's wacked but if horn is coach for another year it won't devastate me either.
RE: Adamg  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13831347 djm said:
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Yeah horn doesn't inspire me in the least but I have hopes that he could be the right guy to turn a guy a like mudiay (frank too) around. Just a hope. I don't think he brings much else here to the table but if he could resurrect a guy or two and hold the tank fort until this team is ready to compete, why not.

I sure as hell won't shed a tear if when he's wacked but if horn is coach for another year it won't devastate me either.


My biggest problem with hornacek is he says one thing then does the exact opposite the next game...

The offense he runs is horrible, his defensive philosophy is horrid, it just seems like he makes it up as he goes along...

He talks about players have to earn minutes, yet he plays guys like jack and thomas who do nothing, hardaway is chucking away last night and he leaves him in..

Mudiay or Frank have 1 turnover and they immediately sit...
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