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NFT: Is Hornacek Insane?

Pete44 : 2/13/2018 9:30 am
I watched part of the Knicks game last night in the hope to watch them lose, but to also see more of Mudiay and Frenchie in the same backcourt.

Instead, we got a ton of Jarrett Jack, Courtney Lee and Lance Thomas.

At times, the lineup was Jack, Hardaway, Lee or Thomas, Beasley and Kanter.

I don't care if Ben Simmons scores 50 points, no need to play Lance Thomas extra minutes.

I don't know if management has or has not told Hornacek that his job depends on the younger players or not, but if they not, they need too.

The worst case scenario is going to happen as the veterans are going to lead the Knicks to 7-9 more wins this season, which will keep us around 9 or 10 in the draft and we will have no idea if the younger players are keepers are not.

It is extremely frustrating!

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Houston  
DanMetroMan : 2/13/2018 11:34 am : link
releasing Troy Williams. Showed flashes last year, wouldn't be a horrible addition.
Messina/Coach Bud/Offer a second  
DanMetroMan : 2/13/2018 11:35 am : link
for Snider (doubt Utah bites).
Pete  
TyreeHelmet : 2/13/2018 11:58 am : link
Excellent points. Big FAs want to win. The draft is more important and development of Frank. Hit on these next 2 picks and get KP healthy and make Frank a starting guard and you are starting to build something.

The draft is a crapshoot. We got very lucky with KP and possibly missed on Frank ( still too early). But that’s how lottery picks go- you need multiple cracks at it. That was Hinkies philosophy and it proved true. Embiid/Simmons/Saric vs Okafor/ Noel / MCW and maybe Futz?
I will yet again repeat what I ave been saying about Frank.  
manh george : 2/13/2018 12:29 pm : link
As a 19-y-o who got little pt the year before last nd has never had strength or balance training, he has huge physical upside. The strength training ill help his outside shooting, quickness, jumping, stamina, etc. Will that make him a really high level talent?I have no idea. I do think that he will be a solid three-point shooter, though. He has the stroke, needs the legs and strength. Btw, many 19-y-os ares still growing, too. Could be 6'6", anyway, and a really good companion to Mudiay.

Separate topic--tanking: If you look at the rankings and records of the teams behind the Knicks in w-l, doing better than the eighth slot is tough, and even that is doubtful. Right now they are ninth. The Bulls are the only team in either conference less than 4 games behind the Knicks, and none of the others is winning much except Sacramento. Maybe they fall below Sacramento and get to eighth. I'm still looking at one of the SFs at that slot.
Chicago may pass us.  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2018 12:35 pm : link
Memphis just got Tyreke Evans back from injury, so hopefully they have a some life in them. Beyond that I don't see much upward mobility unless we go 2-22 from here on out.
Nets are 1-9 in their last 10.  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2018 12:41 pm : link
Really hit the skids after being somewhat competitive in the first half of the season.
the Bulls  
Enzo : 2/13/2018 12:44 pm : link
should pass by us at some point. I'm hoping the Nets do as well eventually, simply because they have no reason to tank. No way we catch the Suns or Kings. That leaves the Grizz, Magic, Mavs, and Hawks. Maybe we get lucky and 1-2 of them string some random wins together. The Mavs and Hawks are well coached so you never know.
RE: Nets are 1-9 in their last 10.  
Greg from LI : 2/13/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13831158 bceagle05 said:
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Really hit the skids after being somewhat competitive in the first half of the season.


But....but....CULTURE!
RE: Houston  
Pep22 : 2/13/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13830996 DanMetroMan said:
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releasing Troy Williams. Showed flashes last year, wouldn't be a horrible addition.


I was thinking the same.
RE: RE: Nets are 1-9 in their last 10.  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13831174 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13831158 bceagle05 said:


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Really hit the skids after being somewhat competitive in the first half of the season.



But....but....CULTURE!


Haha I was listening to the radio yeaterday, nets fans calling in ripping the knicks saying they are not building anything and they stink, Michael Kay of course agreed with them..

I am thinking wait a second the nets suck and they have no draft pick..

At least the knicks will add another lottery pick to kp
RE: the Bulls  
Mike in NJ : 2/13/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13831166 Enzo said:
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should pass by us at some point. I'm hoping the Nets do as well eventually, simply because they have no reason to tank. No way we catch the Suns or Kings. That leaves the Grizz, Magic, Mavs, and Hawks. Maybe we get lucky and 1-2 of them string some random wins together. The Mavs and Hawks are well coached so you never know.


This team is terrible now. It wouldn't shock me if they finish out the season with only 3 or 4 more wins. As of today, Dallas and Atlanta are on a 26 win pace and as you said are both well coached. I think it's realistic they finish ahead of the Knicks. Orlando, Memphis, Brooklyn, and Chicago are all on pace for 27 wins or more. We will be neck and neck with all of them, but I would expect Orlando to be the one to finish worse than NY.

I agree that Phoenix and Sacramento are terrible, it's unlikely we catch either of them, but a top 5 pick seems pretty realistic to me.
RE: RE: the Bulls  
Pete44 : 2/13/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13831230 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 13831166 Enzo said:


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should pass by us at some point. I'm hoping the Nets do as well eventually, simply because they have no reason to tank. No way we catch the Suns or Kings. That leaves the Grizz, Magic, Mavs, and Hawks. Maybe we get lucky and 1-2 of them string some random wins together. The Mavs and Hawks are well coached so you never know.



This team is terrible now. It wouldn't shock me if they finish out the season with only 3 or 4 more wins. As of today, Dallas and Atlanta are on a 26 win pace and as you said are both well coached. I think it's realistic they finish ahead of the Knicks. Orlando, Memphis, Brooklyn, and Chicago are all on pace for 27 wins or more. We will be neck and neck with all of them, but I would expect Orlando to be the one to finish worse than NY.

I agree that Phoenix and Sacramento are terrible, it's unlikely we catch either of them, but a top 5 pick seems pretty realistic to me.


Unfortunately, Hornacek is going to continue to play Beasley/Kanter/Hardaway/Jack/Lee and a few others big minutes, which will probably have us win about 5 -7 more games by accient, which will keep us in the in the 8-10 range instead of Top 5. It is why we go nuts each day, because we all know it is destined to happen.
Yep, Lee/Hardaway/Kanter/Beasley  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2018 1:56 pm : link
might be just enough talent keep us locked into an 8th or 9th pick, assuming we get anything from the point guards. But let's hope for the best.
KP got fixed today...  
Keith : 2/13/2018 2:37 pm : link

Kristaps Porzingis underwent successful surgery today to repair a torn ACL in his left knee on Tuesday.

The Knicks have not yet provided a timetable for his return, but he is likely looking at between 10-12 months of rehab. Let's hope the Unicorn comes back stronger than ever. He is the only player in NBA history to average at least 1.5 3-pointers and 2.0 blocks over the first three seasons of his NBA career.




I'd guess his true timetable will be 9-12 months. They can be very conservative with KP and he should still get back in 9 months(assuming no setbacks). Plenty of players have come back between 6-9 months, but KP is unique in his body type. I still say November/December of 2018 is when we should see the big guy back on the floor.
RE: RE: No you're right  
adamg : 2/13/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13830898 djm said:
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Hornacek is really good.



Yup that's exactly what I said.

I said he was ordinary...maybe even a little worse but he's not clueless and complaints about a difference of 3-4-5 minutes doesn't change that. He could just be easing guys like Frank and Mudiay along. Can't speak to Burke but after his first 2 games here he looks like shit, in limited playing time... one thing is certain, Burke can't play D. Surprise.


I was fucking with you a bit since you were playing devils advocate. But I agree with you that we shouldn't change for changes same. Ideally we'd bring in a guy who can improve kids. That should be our focus. Maximizing potential. I don't trust Hornacek for that.
Last week I was of the belief that the Knicks win 7-8 games  
djm : 2/13/2018 2:55 pm : link
Over this final stretch of games this season but now I'm not so sure. Their best players don't play D and their best defensive players don't score. This is a new kind of Knicks suck. Can we win just 3?

I'm not the biggest more ardent tank supporter but now? I'm all in. Think good, bad lousy bball nyk thoughts...believe.....
Adamg  
djm : 2/13/2018 2:58 pm : link
Yeah horn doesn't inspire me in the least but I have hopes that he could be the right guy to turn a guy a like mudiay (frank too) around. Just a hope. I don't think he brings much else here to the table but if he could resurrect a guy or two and hold the tank fort until this team is ready to compete, why not.

I sure as hell won't shed a tear if when he's wacked but if horn is coach for another year it won't devastate me either.
RE: Adamg  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13831347 djm said:
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Yeah horn doesn't inspire me in the least but I have hopes that he could be the right guy to turn a guy a like mudiay (frank too) around. Just a hope. I don't think he brings much else here to the table but if he could resurrect a guy or two and hold the tank fort until this team is ready to compete, why not.

I sure as hell won't shed a tear if when he's wacked but if horn is coach for another year it won't devastate me either.


My biggest problem with hornacek is he says one thing then does the exact opposite the next game...

The offense he runs is horrible, his defensive philosophy is horrid, it just seems like he makes it up as he goes along...

He talks about players have to earn minutes, yet he plays guys like jack and thomas who do nothing, hardaway is chucking away last night and he leaves him in..

Mudiay or Frank have 1 turnover and they immediately sit...
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