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Ray_Ray (NYG) : 2/13/2018 11:02 am
NYG have hired Mike Shula as OC. Official announcement later today. Per sources. #NYG Per Kimberly Jones
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RE: RE: You really see this as something that's happening?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13831411 Go Terps said:
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In comment 13831394 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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2. Too much concern with non-football issues, i.e. trying to answer the question of "who will be the face of the franchise after Eli is gone?"




I didn't think it could be argued that planning for the future when your current QB is 37 and going into the last two years of his deal would be seen as a non-football issue.



You miss my point. I'm wondering how much weight is being put into looking and acting the part the way Eli does. I think it's dangerous to just assume the next guy will or even should be like Eli.


If it were any team other than the Giants I'd say thats a ridiculous thing to worry about, but in this I think I'm actually in agreement with your idea. I think that's certainly a factor, though how much, who knows.
Ownership, obviously  
Go Terps : 2/13/2018 4:10 pm : link
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RE: Ownership, obviously  
ryanmkeane : 2/13/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13831460 Go Terps said:
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And what exactly is your point? That you don't like the ownership structure and how they run the team?
RE: LOL  
Sean : 2/13/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13831441 Keith said:
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so this is going to be the new narrative thrown around bbi?? What stars were aligned? There were no stars aligned for BB to come to the Giants. Please explain.


Lol. You are right. We obviously donít know, but from the reported stories it can be speculated.
RE: But, ultimately Belichick is a very curious case..  
Reale01 : 2/13/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13831438 Sean said:
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Were conversations had? Compensation discussed? Was it all hot air?

The stars did align it appears.


There were too many things to overcome (Contract, GM situation, Compensation to Patriots). Especially with Pats in Superbowl. There was interest and there were some talks. Also, the Giants did like Shurmer.
Pat Shurmer's OC is going to be more of a glorified  
Section331 : 2/13/2018 4:29 pm : link
QB coach, and Shula's record there is pretty solid. He got a couple of decent years out of the terrible Jay Fiedler, some pretty good play out of the otherwise ordinary David Garrard, and a terrific rookie campaign by Cam. I'm not going to knock him much for not getting anything out of Jimmy Clausen.

I'm not doing cartwheels over the hire, but since Shurmer is more of the acting OC anyway, I'm not losing sleep over it.
Reale,  
Keith : 2/13/2018 4:30 pm : link
how do you know there was interest and talks? Source?
John Hufnagel wasnít  
RottenApple : 2/13/2018 4:31 pm : link
available?
RE: RE: God Terps  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/13/2018 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13831445 Go Terps said:
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In comment 13831443 Dave on the UWS said:


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I asked who you would have hired for those 3spots. What we got was a rant about Belichek, Reese,Mac Mara and years of your displeasure and focusing on Eli and the #2 pick. Typical response. We are now entering a new era we should be looking forward not back. And has been said here 50000 times. The draft is ideally for the future. If they draft a QB its NOT for this year. It's for 2019. Some people can't seem to grasp that.



I didn't even read your post. Sorry I didn't reply to it.

Ah, the standard GT douche response of "I didn't even read your post." A classic.
RE: Reale,  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/13/2018 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13831481 Keith said:
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how do you know there was interest and talks? Source?

He's been trying to pass himself off as an asshat for the last month or so. Ignore it.
RE: RE: GT  
Rong5611 : 2/13/2018 4:43 pm : link

Poor asset allocation? They are going to need a QB after this season. This year is likely Eli's last season with us. If/when he retires or they cut him next year, the cap savings is good according to this board.

It is the #2 pick in the draft. They will get one of the top guys, assuming they like who's there.

A QB would be a wise investment (assuming they like the guys we've been talking about).



In comment 13831382 Go Terps said:
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you don't think the Giants are a well run organization?



I think they've done some questionable things beyond the obvious errors that are attributed to Reese and McAdoo.

I'm also very concerned about the prospect of picking Darnold AND keeping Eli. To me that speaks to three possible dangers in how this team is run:

1. Poor asset allocation
2. Too much concern with non-football issues, i.e. trying to answer the question of "who will be the face of the franchise after Eli is gone?"
3. The role played by sentimentality in decision making as it regards Eli
RE: Ownership, obviously  
GFAN52 : 2/13/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13831460 Go Terps said:
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Think if we were the Redskins though. Dan Snyder says hi.

RE: RE: RE: Shula was in a tough spot last year  
ajr2456 : 2/13/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13831273 Go Terps said:
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Carolina drafted McCaffrey too high and he was forced to try to shoe horn him in to the offense.



This is an odd/inaccurate comment. CMC had a very good rookie year (80 catches, 9 TDs, 1000 yards from scrimmage).



If you watched the Panthers this year (I watched them a ton because I drafted McCaffrey on a couple FF teams), you could see they struggled to incorporate him especially early on. They did a better job of it after they traded Benjamin to Buffalo.


Terps is right. They basically took a slot receiver top 10
RE: Reale,  
Reale01 : 2/13/2018 5:53 pm : link
In comment 13831481 Keith said:
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how do you know there was interest and talks? Source?


Can't say ... VERY sorry. I will say that source has to do with BB not Giants.
RE: Reale,  
arcarsenal : 2/13/2018 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13831481 Keith said:
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how do you know there was interest and talks? Source?


He doesn't. He kept trying to act like he had info on this and kept saying Belichick was going to be the guy.

Well, he's not.
RE: RE: Reale,  
Reale01 : 2/13/2018 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13831488 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13831481 Keith said:


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how do you know there was interest and talks? Source?


He's been trying to pass himself off as an asshat for the last month or so. Ignore it.


Sorry it did not come to be. Not an asshat at all. Unlike others, I never said "done deal" or "close to done deal". There was interest and some talk. Leave it at that. Most people were understanding. Never made a grand statement and don't even think I started a thread. Sorry for sharing if it bothered you. Anyway, not likely to have any other info since the source was not Giants.
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arcarsenal : 2/13/2018 6:06 pm : link
McCaffrey really just didn't run the ball that well. He struggled to find running room often. He's a pretty small guy and can't take the between-tackle pounding. I don't think it was really a lack of creativity it just didn't work well when they tried to use him as a up the gut type of RB.

He did so much damage as a pass catcher - caught 80 balls. It's not like they couldn't figure out how to get him involved - he was very involved.
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arcarsenal : 2/13/2018 6:11 pm : link
Also, the idea that he wasn't incorporated early in the year is false. They were trying to use him often from jump street.

He had his 2nd highest rush attempt total of the entire season in Week 1.

Total touches by week:

1: 18
2: 12
3: 13
4: 10
5: 8
6: 14
7: 14
8: 9
9: 20
10: 8
11: 9
12: 11
13: 12
14: 18
15: 11
16: 11
Mike Shula  
XBRONX : 2/13/2018 6:15 pm : link
blows. Glad he wont be calling plays
fwiw  
Bill2 : 2/13/2018 6:17 pm : link
Couple of thoughts:

- Anyone who observes the Patriots over the years and thinks there is minimal risk they would have let Belichek go without compensation or last minute re arranging of his deal is in the Land of Magical Thinking.

- Anyone who thinks Belichek would come to a franchise that may be years away as compared to staring each year with the GOAT at an under market pay package ...and gets to play the green Jets twice instead of the green Eagles twoce a year while he rebuilds has paid attention to BB sentimental side on a few TV clips but not to the real track record...league leading ruthless unsentimental decision making for decades.

- Lost in all this is that the Giants did come away with a coaching staff who does know the inner stitching details and preparation of a whole season. Both the practical realities and the emotional balance required. And have dealt with a wide variety of player personalities and prima donnas...whereas the last group of giant coaches and fo was overwhelmed frozen into stupid by the flexibility practical reality requires.

- Of course free public announcements say nice things about Eli...thats what the media is asking.

the job during a transition...and we are in a transition ...is to:
1) honor merit so team loyalties are aligned with performance

2) Minimize destructive Qb controversies and over attention on the part of fans and the media so the place remains attractive to FA and the coaching staff has the room and time to neither rush nor hold back the uneven development of a new QB

3) Preserve team trade, payroll, draft and cap optionality and confidentiality

Of course Mara says stuff...so what? if it serves the three essential criteria and does not please some internet guys who think the world should be linear and litteral...so what?

Lastly, Go Terps is a great poster. Posts his own mind. Thinks differently and not be the herd. Defends it. Does not resort to personal attacks when attacked personally. A great poster. Its a football discussion site
RE: fwiw  
arcarsenal : 2/13/2018 6:20 pm : link
In comment 13831581 Bill2 said:
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Couple of thoughts:

- Anyone who observes the Patriots over the years and thinks there is minimal risk they would have let Belichek go without compensation or last minute re arranging of his deal is in the Land of Magical Thinking.

- Anyone who thinks Belichek would come to a franchise that may be years away as compared to staring each year with the GOAT at an under market pay package ...and gets to play the green Jets twice instead of the green Eagles twoce a year while he rebuilds has paid attention to BB sentimental side on a few TV clips but not to the real track record...league leading ruthless unsentimental decision making for decades.

- Lost in all this is that the Giants did come away with a coaching staff who does know the inner stitching details and preparation of a whole season. Both the practical realities and the emotional balance required. And have dealt with a wide variety of player personalities and prima donnas...whereas the last group of giant coaches and fo was overwhelmed frozen into stupid by the flexibility practical reality requires.

- Of course free public announcements say nice things about Eli...thats what the media is asking.

the job during a transition...and we are in a transition ...is to:
1) honor merit so team loyalties are aligned with performance

2) Minimize destructive Qb controversies and over attention on the part of fans and the media so the place remains attractive to FA and the coaching staff has the room and time to neither rush nor hold back the uneven development of a new QB

3) Preserve team trade, payroll, draft and cap optionality and confidentiality

Of course Mara says stuff...so what? if it serves the three essential criteria and does not please some internet guys who think the world should be linear and litteral...so what?

Lastly, Go Terps is a great poster. Posts his own mind. Thinks differently and not be the herd. Defends it. Does not resort to personal attacks when attacked personally. A great poster. Its a football discussion site


You sure about that last part, Bill?

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RE: Its funny to see GT accuse the Giants of sentimentality

Go Terps : 3:41 pm : link : reply

In comment 13831410 Keith said:

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when you've been doing it for YEARS. I remember a thread a few years ago where you wouldn't trade Eli for anyone in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers included, because of what he meant to the organization. It's all about winning and Eli won twice. Why the shift in thought process?


I'm not running the team, you vacuous fucking dolt.
arc  
Bill2 : 2/13/2018 6:22 pm : link
naw. I often think its a safety valve more than a football discussion site.

I hope you are doing well arc. Spring Season be starting soon!
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arcarsenal : 2/13/2018 6:25 pm : link
Yessir!

Looking forward to some warmer weather.

Always good to see you around - hope you're doing well.
Too many discount how fine the line between success/failure  
Eric on Li : 2/13/2018 6:48 pm : link
I mean, this organization and the eagles essentially went after (and hired) first time head coaches at the same age, from similar coaching trees, who were rumored to be interested in similar assistant coaches, etc. and the results ended up as wildly different as can be imagined. That is not to say the Eagles weren't better run or that they didn't make numerous better personnel decisions over that period of time also, just that at that moment in time you had 2 organizations trying something very similar and it worked out very different in, both year 1 and year 2.

That's not to say that success is a fluke - it's not. Just that finding it is really hard and very few organizations are consistently good at it. Outside of Coughlin (who many wanted fired more often than not) and Parcells this organization hasn't had much success over those 4 decades, so I don't think it should shock anyone that the Mara's don't always make great decisions. They make the best decisions they can based in the moment based on numerous factors and hope it works out - like pretty much everyone else. In this moment of Giants football I think they made logical decisions to hire an experienced head coach and general manager, both with track records fixing specific problems, with both focused on rebuilding the fundamentals of the organization. It may work out or it may not but there's never a magic bullet. Even Belichek.
RE: RE: RE: You really see this as something that's happening?  
BestFeature : 2/13/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 13831459 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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2. Too much concern with non-football issues, i.e. trying to answer the question of "who will be the face of the franchise after Eli is gone?"




I didn't think it could be argued that planning for the future when your current QB is 37 and going into the last two years of his deal would be seen as a non-football issue.



You miss my point. I'm wondering how much weight is being put into looking and acting the part the way Eli does. I think it's dangerous to just assume the next guy will or even should be like Eli.



If it were any team other than the Giants I'd say thats a ridiculous thing to worry about, but in this I think I'm actually in agreement with your idea. I think that's certainly a factor, though how much, who knows.


I hate to say it and we're one of the best franchises in the league but there's certainly a great deal of pretentiousness with this franchise. It drives me crazy.
LOL  
Keith : 2/13/2018 7:22 pm : link
Even Bill canít get through a whole Terps post. Clearly you missed that last line.

Either way, we share the same opinion. I have so much respect for terps. I love he he always takes the opposite side of reality and no matter what, will dig his heels in the ground and stick to his guns. Very admirable.

I too am looking forward to the Yankees season, hope itís an enjoyable one.

Keith(formerly Kmed)
RE: RE: RE: RE: You really see this as something that's happening?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2018 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13831625 BestFeature said:
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I hate to say it and we're one of the best franchises in the league but there's certainly a great deal of pretentiousness with this franchise. It drives me crazy.


Every team has their own biases. The cowboys will take anyone regardless of the stuff in their closet. The Packers seem to be suspicious of anyone that they didn't draft themselves. It's not just the Giants. It's just that their particular quirk is that they're a very buttoned up franchise and actively avoid the threat of controversial things and people, and I think a majority of the fanbase likes it that way.
hey Keith  
Bill2 : 2/13/2018 7:48 pm : link
On the Yankees we always seem united.

so looking forward to the next 2-3 seasons. Found some seats at the very first row of the upper decks. My son and I can get there and back plus eat twice for $50 or so. Each time we went last year was a Judge Hr.

The obvious answer?

Go more often. Consider it a sacrifice for all fellow Yank fans on BBI.

take care
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You really see this as something that's happening?  
BestFeature : 2/13/2018 7:52 pm : link
In comment 13831636 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I hate to say it and we're one of the best franchises in the league but there's certainly a great deal of pretentiousness with this franchise. It drives me crazy.



Every team has their own biases. The cowboys will take anyone regardless of the stuff in their closet. The Packers seem to be suspicious of anyone that they didn't draft themselves. It's not just the Giants. It's just that their particular quirk is that they're a very buttoned up franchise and actively avoid the threat of controversial things and people, and I think a majority of the fanbase likes it that way.


Don't get me into the fact that the majority of the fanbase likes it. I'll be honest sometimes I wish our fanbase was like 10% more like the Eagles' fanbase, without the vandelism and horse shit eating.
Terp's comments were fine  
Dave on the UWS : 2/13/2018 7:52 pm : link
(I didn't agree with him but that's fine) I just wanted him to answer my question :)
A friend of mine did remind me of Collins  
BestFeature : 2/13/2018 7:59 pm : link
If they can bring him in with his issues maybe they're not as buttoned up as we say.
Belichick again? You guys canít let go.  
Ivan15 : 2/13/2018 8:08 pm : link
He was in Palm Beach County last week. He is probably playing in the Honda pro-am next week. Linda lives in Palm Beach County.

He will leave the Patriots and take over the Dolphins.
RE: Jesus..  
DonQuixote : 2/13/2018 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13831397 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you are insufferable:



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Shula is a retread who has no record of outstanding QB play.



No record?



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On January 25, 2007, the Jacksonville Jaguars named Shula their quarterbacks coach.[12] Shula oversaw quarterback David Garrardís development from becoming a full-time starter in 2007 to making the Pro Bowl in 2009. In Shulaís first year with the Jaguars, Garrard ranked third in the NFL with a 102.2 passer rating Ė an almost 23-point improvement from the previous season Ė threw an NFL-low three interceptions and established a team record with a 64.0 completion percentage.



No record??



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On January 21, 2011, the Carolina Panthers named Shula as their quarterbacks coach. In 2011, Shula helped quarterback Cam Newton earn Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the Year after turning in one of the most prolific rookie seasons in NFL history, passing for 4,051 yards and accounting for 35 total touchdowns. In 2012, under Shula's tutelage, Newton improved on his Rookie-of-the-Year quarterback rating from 2011 with an 86.2 mark while rushing for more than 700 yards for a second straight season. Newton's 7,920 passing yards in the 2011-12 season surpassed the previous mark for a playerís first two seasons held by Peyton Manning.



Fuck


Good post FatMan
The amount of butthurt in this thread  
ThatLimerickGuy : 2/13/2018 9:31 pm : link
For what amounts to the hiring of a QB coach is mind boggling.

Some of you on the day after it was announced that Belichik would coach would bitch that the Giants are poorly run because they didn't reanimate Vince Lombardi to be OC
RE: The amount of butthurt in this thread  
TMS : 2/13/2018 10:27 pm : link
In comment 13831732 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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For what amounts to the hiring of a QB coach is mind boggling.

Some of you on the day after it was announced that Belichik would coach would bitch that the Giants are poorly run because they didn't reanimate Vince Lombardi to be OC
So do you like the hire or not ?
LOL...BBI never fails to entertain me.  
SHO'NUFF : 2/14/2018 1:13 am : link
Essentially, the Giants can never do any wrong because someone starts with a "good hire" post and the lemmings follow suit. We could hire Coach Moron from Podunk High School as our next head coach and you guys will still love it.

ShuuuuuBetcha!
So who's going to be the real QB coach ? ...  
Manny in CA : 2/14/2018 1:54 am : link
If Shula is the "QB whisperer" ?
Reading through this thread...  
EricJ : 2/14/2018 3:00 am : link
I did not see anyone mentioned at all who should have been our obvious choice for OC.... because there was nobody.
It should've been Harold Goodwin  
Emlen'sGremlins : 2/14/2018 6:16 am : link
- Has recent, successful OC experience with Arizona
- Offense ranked #9 in 2016 with 418 points, 4th best in team history
- Offense ranked #1 in 2015 and set team records in points (489), TDs (59), TD passes (35), total net yards (6,533), first downs (373) and first downs passing (237)
- Goodwin didn't call plays under Bruce Arians, so he would be working under a similar scenario here under Coach Shurmur
- Goodwin has extensive, successful experience as an O-Line coach with Pittsburgh and Indianapolis
- Goodwin was an Offensive Lineman at Michigan and began his coaching career there as a student assistant and graduate assistant
RE: It should've been Harold Goodwin  
GFAN52 : 2/14/2018 7:10 am : link
In comment 13831831 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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- Has recent, successful OC experience with Arizona
- Offense ranked #9 in 2016 with 418 points, 4th best in team history
- Offense ranked #1 in 2015 and set team records in points (489), TDs (59), TD passes (35), total net yards (6,533), first downs (373) and first downs passing (237)
- Goodwin didn't call plays under Bruce Arians, so he would be working under a similar scenario here under Coach Shurmur
- Goodwin has extensive, successful experience as an O-Line coach with Pittsburgh and Indianapolis
- Goodwin was an Offensive Lineman at Michigan and began his coaching career there as a student assistant and graduate assistant


Shurmur wanted an OC with QB coaching experience.
Talking about Goodwin..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/14/2018 8:28 am : link
is a great example of how things evolve around here.

Emlen posted about Goodwin yesterday, ironically, shortly after I got an alert about Goodwin. Now, since we didn't hire him, he postulates we should have.

And I'm going to guess (accurately) that Emlen had no fucking clue who the guy was before yesterday.

But hey, when working in shots against Mara is someone's MO, they have to work hard at it.

It is much, much easier having the MO of harassing mouth-breathing morons.
Iím sure itís been said in this thread,  
Simms11 : 2/14/2018 9:27 am : link
but I didnít want to go through the litany of responses.....anyway, this is going to be Shurmerís offense with bits of Shula sprinkled in. Shula will orchestrate a plan weekly to attack the next opponent, but it will be Shurmerís concepts and Shurmer will be calling plays he feels will be successful, not Shulaís scheme. Shula becomes a good hire IMO, because heís experienced and knows, not only how to put a successful game plan together, but also his ability to work with and develop QBs, as well. Give us an Oline and the offense will start to improve.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/14/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13831570 arcarsenal said:
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McCaffrey really just didn't run the ball that well. He struggled to find running room often. He's a pretty small guy and can't take the between-tackle pounding. I don't think it was really a lack of creativity it just didn't work well when they tried to use him as a up the gut type of RB.

He did so much damage as a pass catcher - caught 80 balls. It's not like they couldn't figure out how to get him involved - he was very involved.


This was the most predictable outcome of McCaffery. He's an updated version of Reggie Bush. Not good enough to be an every-down between the tackles runner, but a great 3rd down/dynamic in the passing game player, along with special teams.
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arcarsenal : 2/14/2018 11:00 am : link
In comment 13832112 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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McCaffrey really just didn't run the ball that well. He struggled to find running room often. He's a pretty small guy and can't take the between-tackle pounding. I don't think it was really a lack of creativity it just didn't work well when they tried to use him as a up the gut type of RB.

He did so much damage as a pass catcher - caught 80 balls. It's not like they couldn't figure out how to get him involved - he was very involved.



This was the most predictable outcome of McCaffery. He's an updated version of Reggie Bush. Not good enough to be an every-down between the tackles runner, but a great 3rd down/dynamic in the passing game player, along with special teams.


Yeah, he just doesn't have the size to be a guy you pound between the tackles regularly. That's why after Week 1, he barely saw double digit carries the rest of the way and why so many of his touches were coming as receptions.

I actually think CAR did a really good job of getting him involved given his limitations as a runner. He was a big part of their offensive gameplan on a weekly basis and they made a point to get the football in his hands as much as they could.
I don't get all the handwringing (although I probably should by now)  
PatersonPlank : 2/14/2018 11:10 am : link
At this point in the process Shula was about as good a choice as they were going to get. Shurmur wants to call the plays, which right there limits who will come here. At least Shula comes from good stock, if he turns out to be 1/2 of what his dad was we will be ok.
RE: Talking about Goodwin..  
Emlen'sGremlins : 2/14/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13831881 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is a great example of how things evolve around here.

Emlen posted about Goodwin yesterday, ironically, shortly after I got an alert about Goodwin. Now, since we didn't hire him, he postulates we should have.

And I'm going to guess (accurately) that Emlen had no fucking clue who the guy was before yesterday.

But hey, when working in shots against Mara is someone's MO, they have to work hard at it.

It is much, much easier having the MO of harassing mouth-breathing morons.


Fats, You are a major douche and very brave as well, flexing those internet muscles from your mother's basement.
I don't like Shula as the OC  
Jay on the Island : 2/14/2018 12:05 pm : link
but I am happy to have him as the QB coach where he has a proven track record. With that said I don't see much of a reason to be up in arms about the hire. With Shurmur calling the plays Shula is a glorified QB coach. Sure he will handle many of the roles of an OC but Shurmur will be the play caller which had to have affected their options as guys like DeFilippo wanted to go somewhere that would give him play calling responsibilities.

As arc said, the opening at DC was a far more important position to fill and the Giants hit a home run there.
RE: I don't like Shula as the OC  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/14/2018 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13832192 Jay on the Island said:
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but I am happy to have him as the QB coach where he has a proven track record. With that said I don't see much of a reason to be up in arms about the hire. With Shurmur calling the plays Shula is a glorified QB coach. Sure he will handle many of the roles of an OC but Shurmur will be the play caller which had to have affected their options as guys like DeFilippo wanted to go somewhere that would give him play calling responsibilities.

As arc said, the opening at DC was a far more important position to fill and the Giants hit a home run there.


Shula could get hired away next season and Shurmer can get his guy probably at that point. Who knows?
RE: I don't like Shula as the OC  
blueblood : 2/14/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13832192 Jay on the Island said:
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but I am happy to have him as the QB coach where he has a proven track record. With that said I don't see much of a reason to be up in arms about the hire. With Shurmur calling the plays Shula is a glorified QB coach. Sure he will handle many of the roles of an OC but Shurmur will be the play caller which had to have affected their options as guys like DeFilippo wanted to go somewhere that would give him play calling responsibilities.

As arc said, the opening at DC was a far more important position to fill and the Giants hit a home run there.


I think people are making too much about Shula being the OC. Its not going to be his offense and he isnt going to be calling plays.

Apparently he is adept at adding wrinkles into gameplans.

Its very possible he could be OC/QB coach this year, with Stefansk taking over an OC next year, and Shula being QB coach if that plan is still an option.
I have no idea how there could be this much conversation  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/14/2018 6:42 pm : link
or even disagreement about the hire. He's going to be Shurmur's assistant and coffee and doughnuts guy.
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