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Ray_Ray (NYG) : 2/13/2018 11:02 am
NYG have hired Mike Shula as OC. Official announcement later today. Per sources. #NYG Per Kimberly Jones
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SticksandStones : 2/13/2018 11:04 am : link
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Carolina connection  
Saos1n : 2/13/2018 11:06 am : link
Not sure why the beats never had him on the radar...
Good  
Mr. Nickels : 2/13/2018 11:06 am : link
hire
Eeek. His offenses, outside of 1 year, have pretty much sucked overall  
guitarguybs12 : 2/13/2018 11:06 am : link
At least he's not calling the plays?
Not a huge fan..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2018 11:07 am : link
of Shula. I don't think he installed anything innovative in Charlotte.

May be somewhat moot in that Shurmur runs the offense.

Shula has drawn a lot of praise for being a leader and having control of the Panthers offensive unit, so that may be a strength that will come into play.
Those twitter responses are decidedly mixed  
Bill L : 2/13/2018 11:08 am : link
he looks to have a lot of experience as a QB coach, so maybe it is a sign that they will pick a QB #2 and go for a tank job.
From SI..when he got fired  
Ross : 2/13/2018 11:09 am : link
"Aside from the magical 15Ė1 season that ended in a Super Bowl loss to the Broncos, the Panthersí offense never ranked in the top-half of the league in yards and never ranked in the top-10 in points. Seven years a professional, Cam Newton continues to have problems with his footwork and missing receivers high. And about the Panthersí planned evolution of Newton into less of a runner."

Meh
which I woldn'tt have expected from a first year  
Bill L : 2/13/2018 11:09 am : link
coach and GM
Not thrilled  
AcesUp : 2/13/2018 11:09 am : link
They should have had one of the most versatile offenses in the league last year and he couldn't really figure it out.
eh  
Greg from LI : 2/13/2018 11:10 am : link
This is the first offseason move that I'm not particularly positive about. Oh well, hope for the best.
Double duty...  
EliDLINEera : 2/13/2018 11:10 am : link
He will also be QB coach per Tom Rock
RE: From SI..when he got fired  
ajr2456 : 2/13/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13830909 Ross said:
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"Aside from the magical 15Ė1 season that ended in a Super Bowl loss to the Broncos, the Panthersí offense never ranked in the top-half of the league in yards and never ranked in the top-10 in points. Seven years a professional, Cam Newton continues to have problems with his footwork and missing receivers high. And about the Panthersí planned evolution of Newton into less of a runner."

Meh


To be fair they never had many offensive weapons outside of Cam and Olsen.

He did a good job developing Cam. Even David Garrad played well when he wa his QB coach.

There were better options out there but I donít hate this.
Honestly, I think they screwed themselves  
Bill L : 2/13/2018 11:13 am : link
and maybe even embarrassed themselves, getting strung along. In hindsight, they should have gotten a commitment or moved on to an available person when the pool was larger.
Carolina connection is interesting with Gettleman here  
Chris684 : 2/13/2018 11:14 am : link
I wonder if DG suggested they talk to him when (thanks to lousy NFL rules) Minnesota was able to block a current QB coach from becoming an offensive coordinator.

So if you guessed Shurmur with Shula and Bettcher in December, you win.
Not enthusiastic about this hire.  
yatqb : 2/13/2018 11:14 am : link
But DG knows him well, and Shurmur knows offense, so who am I to judge?
His O wasn't that good in Carolina  
Beer Man : 2/13/2018 11:15 am : link
But this should be Pat Shurmur's O, which he will be responsible for implementing. He did have some success in Jacksonville as the QB coach, so I agree it may be a good thing for Davis Webb'd development and the development of a drafted QB (assuming the team drafts a QB).
This may not be a very good OC gig  
GiantsRage2007 : 2/13/2018 11:17 am : link
Since as OC of the NYG next yr, you won't be calling the plays. so any up-and-coming OC who wants to call plays would probably look elsewhere no?
does the oc really matter  
jintz4life : 2/13/2018 11:17 am : link
when shurmur is calling the plays
I just watched the Broncos vs Panthers SB 2 days ago  
ZogZerg : 2/13/2018 11:18 am : link
and they showed him in the telecast. I thought to myself, "I wonder if he has a job, didn't Carolina just let him go"?

At least he has a lot of experience. I have no idea if he is any good.
Do we think Dorsey comes in  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/13/2018 11:18 am : link
as an Qb coach with him?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/13/2018 11:19 am : link

Tom Rock
‏Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
10m10 minutes ago

Tom Rock Retweeted Kimberly Jones

Shula will also be the QB coach, Iím told. Double duty.
RE: Not enthusiastic about this hire.  
TheMick7 : 2/13/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13830924 yatqb said:
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But DG knows him well, and Shurmur knows offense, so who am I to judge?


+1
One positive...  
FranknWeezer : 2/13/2018 11:20 am : link
...if our offense turns it around and gets back on track, Shula is less likely to get picked off by another team to be its HC, like, for instance, DeFilippo or Stefanski may have been.
Wow, what a great under the radar hire  
montanagiant : 2/13/2018 11:21 am : link
Nice job Front Office
RE: Do we think Dorsey comes in  
BigBlue4You09 : 2/13/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13830937 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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as an Qb coach with him?


Shula is the QB coach also
Apple  
Emlen'sGremlins : 2/13/2018 11:22 am : link











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I like it..  
ryanmkeane : 2/13/2018 11:23 am : link
experienced OC and QB coach and won't be calling the plays. Now we have 2 guys teaming up to run the offense who have extensive QB and OC backgrounds.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2018 11:23 am : link
and there's the usual suspect chiming in.

I thought we weren't ever going to fire Reese or hire outside the Giants family???
Keep in mind, The biggest aspect needed out of the OC spot  
montanagiant : 2/13/2018 11:24 am : link
Was coaching the QB's.
I view this as Shurmur is HC/OC
Shula as Asst OC/QB's coach.

He has done well at the QB spot
Good players make good coaches  
joeinpa : 2/13/2018 11:25 am : link
Now, a horrible coach can mess up with good players, but do we think Shula is a horrible coach

Spagnulon was great in 07 after that not so good except 15.

Did he alternate between being good then bad, or was he successful with good talent and not so much with bad. Even good coaches don t win with bad talent
They always seem to have a decent running game  
NoPeanutz : 2/13/2018 11:25 am : link
. That should be a change of pace for us in recent years. Maybe Eli and our talented receivers can parlay that into a passing game.
CBS Sports App  
giantsfan227B : 2/13/2018 11:26 am : link
Literally sent me a story about the former Arizona OC to be a "sleeper candidate" and then no more than 30 minutes later they send me Shula to be hired.

All-righty then.
Is it me  
BP in Delray : 2/13/2018 11:27 am : link
or do the beat writers not break anything first, at all?

Shula  
Sammo85 : 2/13/2018 11:27 am : link
believes in fundamental offense that requires good offensive line play and a strong running game.

Building those two elements in, Shurmur can be able to play his playbook strengths off of involving play action and other concepts.

At first I was kind of down on the news but the more I recall of Shula I am willing to keep an open eye and mind to results.
RE: Not enthusiastic about this hire.  
Beer Man : 2/13/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13830924 yatqb said:
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But DG knows him well, and Shurmur knows offense, so who am I to judge?
Is DG the guy that fired him in Carolina?
I find its hard to judge an OC with a mobile  
Pep22 : 2/13/2018 11:30 am : link
QB like Cam Newton. How much is play calling, how much is Cam's talent taking over? And then how to judge that and relate it to the world's most immobile QB. I guess, like a prior post said, this is essentially Shurmur's expertise/system.
RE: RE: Not enthusiastic about this hire.  
YAJ2112 : 2/13/2018 11:30 am : link
In comment 13830970 Beer Man said:
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In comment 13830924 yatqb said:


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But DG knows him well, and Shurmur knows offense, so who am I to judge?

Is DG the guy that fired him in Carolina?


No, he was just fired after this season.
RE: Honestly, I think they screwed themselves  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/13/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 13830921 Bill L said:
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and maybe even embarrassed themselves, getting strung along. In hindsight, they should have gotten a commitment or moved on to an available person when the pool was larger.

Who would you have liked them to get a commitment from, Bill? DeFilippo while he was still coaching in the playoffs? Or Stefanski while he's still under contract with the Vikings?

The pool was larger at one point, but it was never really larger for the Giants. The candidates the Giants missed out on wound up not being candidates for the Giants, due to circumstance. DeFilippo clearly favored the opportunity to call his own plays under a defensive HC, where the credit would be his (and thus the chance to ascend to HC would be increased). And obviously the Giants miscalculated by assuming that Stefanski would be allowed to interview if he didn't get the Vikings OC job. But in neither case would they have gotten a commitment by acting sooner.
I think  
giantsfan227B : 2/13/2018 11:31 am : link
they hired him because if you say Shula and Shurman together fast eventually you will mess up so if they screw up during season writers won't know who to blame.
RE: Keep in mind, The biggest aspect needed out of the OC spot  
Optimus-NY : 2/13/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13830953 montanagiant said:
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Was coaching the QB's.
I view this as Shurmur is HC/OC
Shula as Asst OC/QB's coach.

He has done well at the QB spot


I agree. Shula by himself as the OC would concern me, but with Shurmur calling the plays, then I'm ok with it.
What Peanutz alluded to.  
idiotsavant : 2/13/2018 11:33 am : link
Still waiting for that OL guru.

Unless someone more knowledgeable than I am knows better. The HC, OC, OLC - wheres the new OL guru we need?

Don't get me wrong. HC and DC look good. But...
I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2018 11:34 am : link
dunno:

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wheres the new OL guru we need


On top of a Tibeten mountain or taking a pottery class in an Arizona commune??
Charley Casserly  
Big Rick in FL : 2/13/2018 11:34 am : link
Think it's a great hire and here is a tweet from a PFF writer.

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@PFF_Smith: Creative offense, Panthers were innovative with how to get playmakers the ball rather than conforming players to an offense. Ran an array of run concepts as well. https://t.co/5iIG3LL8Bu
well i like his last name  
UESBLUE : 2/13/2018 11:35 am : link
so theres that.
RE: Shula  
AcidTest : 2/13/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 13830967 Sammo85 said:
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believes in fundamental offense that requires good offensive line play and a strong running game.

Building those two elements in, Shurmur can be able to play his playbook strengths off of involving play action and other concepts.

At first I was kind of down on the news but the more I recall of Shula I am willing to keep an open eye and mind to results.


Agreed.
If we draft a QB at 2  
Phil in LA : 2/13/2018 11:38 am : link
Will Shula have time for him and the O?
just glad  
GiantsLaw : 2/13/2018 11:39 am : link
it's not Bevell
Shula and the TE.  
Spider56 : 2/13/2018 11:40 am : link
I like the hire ... Greg Olsen was hurt in 2017 but over the previous 4 years he averaged almost 80 catches and over 1000 yards per ... Eli and Evan are going to love this guy.
Obviously this is plan D or E  
David B. : 2/13/2018 11:41 am : link
But given that it's gonna be Shurmer's offense, and Shurmer calling the plays, it's probably OK. I don't know how good Shula is as a QB coach.
Seems like this is more a QB role..  
Sean : 2/13/2018 11:41 am : link
This is Shurmurís offense. Heís got a good resume. Weíll see. In Carolina he ran the full offense with Rivera a defensive minded HC. Itís different here.
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