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Does Shurmur favor man-blocking or zone-blocking?

Milton : 2/13/2018 4:30 pm
What's his history? Is it consistently one or the other or has he utilized both depending on the OL talent on the roster? And where does Hal Hunter fit in when it comes to man-blocking and/or zone-blocking?

Norwell was coached by Matsko in Carolina and I'm pretty sure Matsko is more of a man-blocking coach (that was why Fassel dumped him for McNally, whose specialty was a zone-blocking).
He coaches either  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/13/2018 4:33 pm : link
he was more zone schemed in Philly and more man power schemed in Minny.
And DG likes  
Beer Man : 2/13/2018 4:44 pm : link
the Hog Mollies. Hopefully that means power, but who knows when you have to replace 4 of your starters on the O-line
Hopefully both  
idiotsavant : 2/13/2018 5:20 pm : link
But pundits were talking about 'power spread'. I suppose using pulling guards and etc East West to set up long play action pass routes N S down field???

Ala Turner maybe?

Advantage of power being big hat (ol) on little hat (lb) or two ol on one dl???

Advantage of zone being super quick to edge (when coupled with right RB) get lbs and safeties going the wrong way for opposite side play action and counters???

Let's do both or which we have horses for at start of camp.

I probably prefer zone if it's instantaneous and serves to lock up front 7 directionally rather than expecting to hat them. But go w what works yo.


I suppose with both on outside runs you have  
idiotsavant : 2/13/2018 5:41 pm : link
That extra hat out there?

It just appears that in a quality zone system it happens quicker and is more about spacing that whom is blocking whom?

Whereas in power on outside runs it is a tad slower but you get more oomf?

So ideally it effects OL search as well as RB ideal type seach?

Seems to me that one way to negate today's pass rush is to get past the edge on runs instantly. That would force your D into other than committing to rush passer.
RE: He coaches either  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2018 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13831486 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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he was more zone schemed in Philly and more man power schemed in Minny.


I don't believe that's accurate as far as Minnesota. A lot of articles about their zone running scheme.

“We are running the same thing,” (Dalvin) Cook said, referencing the similarities between the Florida State and Minnesota Vikings offense. “Zone, inside zone, outside zone, utilizing me to catch the football.”

https://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/hasan-vikings-shift-to-zone-running-could-pay-dividends/

13. Minnesota Vikings
Offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur

The Vikings went from the bottom of the league to a top-10 offense since Shurmur took over coordinator duties following Norv Turner's resignation last November. A product of the Bill Walsh-Mike Holmgren coaching tree, Shurmur inherited an offense built around a vertical attack and implemented principles of a West Coast scheme. He's a tremendous playcaller and gets creative with the use of his extensive playbook to draw upon the strengths of his personnel. The Vikings rank ninth in yards and 10th in points per game. Shurmur has played a big role in rebuilding the O-line and its zone-blocking scheme and has been able to capitalize on Case Keenum's strengths to get the most out of the backup QB. Shurmur's success this season raises the question of whether he'll be offered another head-coaching opportunity soon. He was the Browns' head coach from 2011 to 2012 and the Eagles' interim coach in the 2015 season. -- Courtney Cronin


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x17115/nfl-2017-playcallers-all-32-nfl-teams-how-their-offense-ranks

Most WCO  
Joey in VA : 2/13/2018 7:43 pm : link
Styles use zone blocking as a rule in the pass and run game, seeking to slide the pocket or the gap to get a defense moving then counter it quickly. Think back to the 49ers in the 80s, they had smaller OLs that were able to move the ball against the bigger front 7s because of their superior ability to move the LOS laterally and expose gaps rather than blow people off the ball and isolate a run into a certain hole.

Most teams use a combination of both these days, this is a multiple league on both sides of the ball.
Sounds good  
idiotsavant : 2/13/2018 7:46 pm : link
.
Linemen who can block  
Jay in Toronto : 2/13/2018 8:44 pm : link
Would be a good start.
West Coast Offense 101  
STLGiant : 2/14/2018 11:40 am : link
for those who need to learn, or want a refresher, demands Zone Blocking, not Power Blocking schemes...
WCO 101 - ( New Window )
One thing about zone run blocking  
idiotsavant : 2/14/2018 2:08 pm : link
That we harped on last year. Is that maybe like Falcons under shanny. It enabled the OL to take the initiative. Fire out as a unit one way or the other. Which could do wonders for some within that line if they can do it. Then, the instantness, if it's achieved, that has an effect on a D. Forcing them to react. That's the basis for East West play action and counters?

It should have an upside over power in that there is no way a pulling guard (power?) is faster or quicker than a quick start type RB (zone?).
I could be wrong  
idiotsavant : 2/14/2018 2:14 pm : link
But, in zone, the player who blocks in space is whomever is on that same end (a TE at times?) ...as opposed to a pulling center or guard...so just for that reason alone it would be able to achieve a higher level of quickness or instantness than power ever would?

So. We look for running backs that go from zero to 60 in a split second?!?! Shorty's love zone? Sproles types?
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