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NFT: NYM 2018 Expectations Thread-

Sean : 2/14/2018 8:09 am
I’m starting to get spring fever. We are halfway through February & spring training is kicking off. Despite the narrative of the Mets being cheap, they were actually one of the more active teams this offseason.

Vegas has the over/under win total at 80.5 which depends mostly on health. Also, the performance of Dom Smith & Rosario are crucial.

How optimistic are we fellow Met fans?
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Puma saying Mets still interested in  
ZGiants98 : 2/15/2018 3:24 pm : link
Garcia/Vargas. Minor league deals please...
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I hope they get Garcia  
Eric on Li : 2/15/2018 3:25 pm : link
I wouldn't hate Vargas either, he had a good year last year. Either one would add a lefty to the mix who can at least make 10-20 starts (or get cut) if need be.
If anything the Cashner deal  
ZGiants98 : 2/15/2018 3:25 pm : link
Proves the market for pitchers never really crashed. Guys are still getting big bucks this offseason regardless of how long they’ve been holding out.
RE: I hope they get Garcia  
ZGiants98 : 2/15/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13833735 Eric on Li said:
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I wouldn't hate Vargas either, he had a good year last year. Either one would add a lefty to the mix who can at least make 10-20 starts (or get cut) if need be.


I’m kind of hoping they will be available in 2 weeks still only because I’m frothing at the mouth to see how Harvey, Wheeler, Matz look with full offseasons, ect but they probably won’t be there still.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 2/15/2018 3:29 pm : link
be blown away if Vargas settles for a minor league deal
RE: If anything the Cashner deal  
DanMetroMan : 2/15/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13833737 ZGiants98 said:
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Proves the market for pitchers never really crashed. Guys are still getting big bucks this offseason regardless of how long they’ve been holding out.


He's still only getting paid as a SP good for 1.0 fWAR or so per season. In theory he's a significant upside play at that rate. I don't think people are going to have their minds blown if he puts up 4.0ish fWAR over the next 2 with a value of over 30 million.
RE: RE: If anything the Cashner deal  
ZGiants98 : 2/15/2018 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13833754 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13833737 ZGiants98 said:


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Proves the market for pitchers never really crashed. Guys are still getting big bucks this offseason regardless of how long they’ve been holding out.



He's still only getting paid as a SP good for 1.0 fWAR or so per season. In theory he's a significant upside play at that rate. I don't think people are going to have their minds blown if he puts up 4.0ish fWAR over the next 2 with a value of over 30 million.


True. I just think this late in the offseason you’d think costs would be dropping but Darvish, Cashner, ect are still getting pretty much what was expected all along. I really hate Cashner’s peripherals so I’m glad we stayed away.
Based off WAR  
ZGiants98 : 2/15/2018 3:36 pm : link
Frazier is a 21 million AAV player. Just seems like the market for hitters has completely bottomed out (JD Martinez reportedly being offered a third of what he originally wanted) but pitchers are still getting fairly big bucks.
RE: If anything the Cashner deal  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2018 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13833737 ZGiants98 said:
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Proves the market for pitchers never really crashed. Guys are still getting big bucks this offseason regardless of how long they’ve been holding out.

Nope and this is exactly why guys are waiting for better deals. They know once spring training begins that teams will be willing to offer more due to injury and poor performance.
RE: Based off WAR  
DanMetroMan : 2/15/2018 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13833761 ZGiants98 said:
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Frazier is a 21 million AAV player. Just seems like the market for hitters has completely bottomed out (JD Martinez reportedly being offered a third of what he originally wanted) but pitchers are still getting fairly big bucks.


Frazier is 32 years old. Based on his last 2 seasons he was worth 44 million however the expectation is a 32 year old is in decline or headed there. He's also a low average player which the market very rarely rewards.
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/15/2018 3:44 pm : link
didn't want Cashner at all but he's been league average 3 of the last 4 seasons. His K rate this year is a major, major red flag but as I said he very possibly gives the Orioles 4ish fWAR for their 18 million
Also  
DanMetroMan : 2/15/2018 3:47 pm : link
worth noting the Orioles #3 starter before signing Cashner was... Gabriel Ynoa. So if Cashner is a paper weight so be it.
Justin Dunn  
spike : 2/15/2018 3:57 pm : link
what a bust first rounder
RE: Justin Dunn  
DanMetroMan : 2/15/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13833790 spike said:
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what a bust first rounder


Still time to turn it around but yeah his 2017 was remarkably bad. Huge 2018 for him.
Callaway preparing to name Plawecki the starter?  
Shecky : 2/15/2018 4:13 pm : link
Only kidding, but wonder why TDA is playing 2B
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/15/2018 5:09 pm : link
Toronto 1 year 8 Garcia, excellent move at that price
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Jay on the Island : 2/15/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13833887 DanMetroMan said:
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Toronto 1 year 8 Garcia, excellent move at that price

Absolutely, he is underrated and a very solid back of the rotation SP especially at that price.
That 2 mil for Reyes might now look like an overpay  
spike : 2/15/2018 6:01 pm : link
When we couldve kept Reynolds as the cheap util guy so we can pay for a #3/4 starter
There’s plenty of SP depth, no need to burn a roster spot  
Shecky : 2/15/2018 6:04 pm : link
Just need to go bottom fishing for some failed starters to stash in AAA for the year.
RE: There’s plenty of SP depth, no need to burn a roster spot  
ZGiants98 : 2/15/2018 6:08 pm : link
In comment 13833935 Shecky said:
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Just need to go bottom fishing for some failed starters to stash in AAA for the year.


100% agree at this point.
RE: There’s plenty of SP depth, no need to burn a roster spot  
PhiPsi125 : 2/15/2018 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13833935 Shecky said:
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Just need to go bottom fishing for some failed starters to stash in AAA for the year.


Lol, was there plenty of SP depth last season?
Let me ask this  
Shecky : 2/15/2018 6:27 pm : link
If 6 of our top 7 SPs go down. Who is out there you want the Mets to sign as depth today? Reality is, if what happened last year happens again, it’s a top ten draft pick again. I think that goes for any team, in any sport realistically.
I’ll follow that up too  
Shecky : 2/15/2018 6:28 pm : link
Who do you want to see the Mets cut ties with today from the 40 man, in order to sign a player to a real contract? BBI whipping boy Matt Reynolds is already gone. So who gets cut?
Hector Santiago as an example  
Shecky : 2/15/2018 6:34 pm : link
Blew it and missed out. Sign a bunch of those types, if you can being the key. Sign 2 arms like that, a C like that, and a utility like that and call it a winter.
RE: I’ll follow that up too  
arcarsenal : 2/15/2018 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13833958 Shecky said:
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Who do you want to see the Mets cut ties with today from the 40 man, in order to sign a player to a real contract? BBI whipping boy Matt Reynolds is already gone. So who gets cut?


Jamie Callahan?
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