over and over. Thankfully though, it's much easier to swallow while rooting for them to tank.
As for THjr, only a Knicks player can go 12-14 and score 30 something points in the first half and then proceed to be a huge reason why they lose the game in the 2nd half.
I'm glad it was the vets who lost the lead. I would have had a harder time watching the kids lose the lead. It's crazy though how much different this team looks as compared to earlier in the season. Beasley has cooled off, everybody was getting blocked, THjr with the horrible turnovers, Kanter missing wide open dunks... The next few years are going to be rough.
I blame hornacek for killing hardaway momentum..
Instead of continuing to run plays for him, he is running plays for jack and Lee on the opposite side..
Then game on the line he basically says ok hardaway save us...ball should of been in hardaway hands the entire 2nd half..
When melo had his 62 every time down the ball was in his hands, teammates constantly got the ball to him
I could care less about Hardaway and Kanter playing as young guys. I am counting the days until Hardaway's contract is up. I want to see Dotson play. Kanter is a very good player, but one that will be gone after next year. He is just not worth paying alot of money to in today's NBA. I want Mudiay, Frank, Dotson playing it allows these guys to develop and helps with the Tank.
As a reminder plenty of people new about Donovan Mitchell, you heard it here first. Frankly most nba scouting departments are terrible so the fact that 14 teams passed on him is meaningless. Teams are too afraid of 'reaching' for players. Mitchell was a top 5 talent in the draft, but people worried about his height, etc.
That's what I said above somewhere. No shame in that - he's 19 and really hasn't played much compared to, say, a sophomore at Kansas. If he were in the Yankee organization he'd be playing AA ball at most.
To blow a 27 point lead in your building and lose.
really ... I've followed the Knicks since like 1962 and this team sucks in ways that I've never seen before. Although they were bad then. Drafting Howard Komives was viewed as a big thing and he was ... Howard Komives. Sort of the Horace Clarke of the early '60s before the Knicks got good.
This team - I don't know. They suck on so many levels, there's not much point in talking about it until they get it sorted out.
I want the team to lose, but I can't watch them lose while Â
Jarrett Jack is out there not giving a single fuck on defense. You kinda have to have some idea of where your man is especially when the guy you're guarding on a given play is Bradley fuckin' Beal. There's really no reason he should still be on the team with the deadline passed.
RE: RE: Obviously we missed badly on Mitchell. It's especially frustrating Â
since Hornacek apparently loved him, meaning we scouted him but Big Chief Triangle probably didn't like that he dunks too much.
Smith Jr. on the other hand hasn't exactly set the league on fire. But at least he shows glimpses of ability.
14 other teams missed on Mitchell, no one saw this coming from him
And how many of those 14 other teams have been dogshit as the Knicks this century? Conveniently lumping the Knicks as "just another team" that missed out on Mitchell is lame. The team sucks because they are permanent mainstay as part of the rotating number of teams included in the "just another team that missed out on <insert name>.
Throw in a belegured and clueless coach who still sees Jack as the answer at PG, despite a trainwreck team starving for youth, and you should realize this team is ALWAYS part of the teams that annually screw the pooch.
Hornacek reiterated that Ntilikina, Mudiay & Burke will play more after the All-Star Break. On Ntilikina playing 11 min tonight, Hornacek said he liked what Jarrett Jack was doing w/the starters & said Ntilikina isn’t used to defending an SG coming off screens like Jodie Meeks.
Frank has guarded Harden and Kyrie but doesn't have enough experience to guard Jodie Fucking Meeks? Hornacek really is something else.
Hornacek reiterated that Ntilikina, Mudiay & Burke will play more after the All-Star Break. On Ntilikina playing 11 min tonight, Hornacek said he liked what Jarrett Jack was doing w/the starters & said Ntilikina isn’t used to defending an SG coming off screens like Jodie Meeks.
Frank has guarded Harden and Kyrie but doesn't have enough experience to guard Jodie Fucking Meeks? Hornacek really is something else.
I have learned never to take what hornacek says as fact, he always lies
We need to tank, I want a tank, but when I watch them I want them to win. I can’t go against them.
Carl this is me as well, when I watch I root and then the loss happens and I see the value in it and do not get mad...
The only thing I will change though is I would rather lose with burke, Frank and mudiay playing at the point over jack and Dotson playing over Lee and thomas...
Everything you say I agree. I will say no one can tell me Frank is the answer. Maybe a good defender like Corey Brewer (type). Handle stinks, Shot stinks, good instincts, Good D.
Everything you say I agree. I will say no one can tell me Frank is the answer. Maybe a good defender like Corey Brewer (type). Handle stinks, Shot stinks, good instincts, Good D.
With mudiay here, I think Frank should concentrate on his shot this summer, he should work to be the ultimate combo guard, he has good vision and is a good passer.
Mudiay even though he didn't shoot well last night I thought he played well, every time he gets into a lane he finds the open guy, he should of had 8 or 9 assists last night. I thought his defense was better as well..
Coming out of the all star break mudiay and Frank should be the starting back court with hardaway at the 3...
Instead of continuing to run plays for him, he is running plays for jack and Lee on the opposite side..
I'm not quite sure coaches have that much in game control in the NBA. The way I think its works is: Maybe they yell things from the sideline, but the point guard is calling the sets. The team runs a type of motion and whoever is open gets the ball, if nobody gets open it defaults to a post up. I think THjr stopped getting the ball because Washington changed up their defense. The few times Tim got the ball in the 2nd half he got blocked because they were hell bent on stopping him. At least that's what I saw.
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Instead of continuing to run plays for him, he is running plays for jack and Lee on the opposite side..
I'm not quite sure coaches have that much in game control in the NBA. The way I think its works is: Maybe they yell things from the sideline, but the point guard is calling the sets. The team runs a type of motion and whoever is open gets the ball, if nobody gets open it defaults to a post up. I think THjr stopped getting the ball because Washington changed up their defense. The few times Tim got the ball in the 2nd half he got blocked because they were hell bent on stopping him. At least that's what I saw.
I saw hornacek calling plays and jack continusouly going to the opposite side of hardaway and going to lee...
And if they can't get the ball to hardaway they should have him bring the ball up and run pick and roll..
On Washington who had the ball most of the game? Who was their hot player?
The maddening thing about Hornaceck is Mudiay has been on the team for a week, makes just as many mistakes as Frank, has just as many holes and gives no effort on D. But plays more minutes than Frank. Why? Because he shoots more?
The maddening thing about Hornaceck is Mudiay has been on the team for a week, makes just as many mistakes as Frank, has just as many holes and gives no effort on D. But plays more minutes than Frank. Why? Because he shoots more?
Cause he's our shiny new toy and management wants to play with it.
He gives none of the young guys any leash, 1 mistake they are out, you can't develop players that way..
Young guys need to learn how to play through mistakes, they shouldn't have to play thinking ok 1 mistake I am going to sit..
Frank is playing like he is looking over his shoulder, the night he played 31 minutes with mudiay he played very well
I think that's Hornacek's way to get his veterans out there and try to win the game. I still believe "he believes" he still has to win to keep his job.
So pulling the trigger on the young guys, after one mistake, is probably his way to work around management (if they're asking him to play the young guys more to develop)
The maddening thing about Hornaceck is Mudiay has been on the team for a week, makes just as many mistakes as Frank, has just as many holes and gives no effort on D. But plays more minutes than Frank. Why? Because he shoots more?
Because he is better? No effort on d? He had 3 steals...
Is mudiay a good defender? Absolutely not but he gets in the line, he can get to the hoop, he finds the open man, his shot was off last night but he still impacts a game...
He gives none of the young guys any leash, 1 mistake they are out, you can't develop players that way..
Young guys need to learn how to play through mistakes, they shouldn't have to play thinking ok 1 mistake I am going to sit..
Frank is playing like he is looking over his shoulder, the night he played 31 minutes with mudiay he played very well
I think that's Hornacek's way to get his veterans out there and try to win the game. I still believe "he believes" he still has to win to keep his job.
So pulling the trigger on the young guys, after one mistake, is probably his way to work around management (if they're asking him to play the young guys more to develop)
Are the vets really giving the knicks a better chance to win? Really? Jarrett jack has trouble bringing the ball passed the 3 point line...
Hardaway and Lee are constantly dribbling because with jack there is no point guard to distribute...
is really doing the best thing for the team and putitng them in a position to lose?
No, it is like management told him play the young guys, so that first game he did, they lost and then all of sudden he was like why play the young guys?
Is to concentrate on being a combo guard, work on his jumper, and keep working on his handle. I think he is best when the pressure is off of him to run the offense Dr, play off the ball and hit that wide open shot your going to get playing alongside mudiay...
If he becomes a combo guard he can still play a little point if you need him to but I think for him and the team he needs to embrace becoming a 2 guard..
The maddening thing about Hornaceck is Mudiay has been on the team for a week, makes just as many mistakes as Frank, has just as many holes and gives no effort on D. But plays more minutes than Frank. Why? Because he shoots more?
Because he is better? No effort on d? He had 3 steals...
Is mudiay a good defender? Absolutely not but he gets in the line, he can get to the hoop, he finds the open man, his shot was off last night but he still impacts a game...
He's not a good defender, and there's multiple times a game where he just doesn't bother to get over screens or close out.
Is Mudiay better? He's shooting 36% from the field since he's been here, Frabks shooting 38%. Mudiay has also turned it over a bunch.
Now extremely small sample size and we would all wish he shot better, missed a couple easy layups last night but again no practice time with the team..
We would all kill for frank to be averaging that, and you can see the difference when mudiay is running the offense, he is getting wide open shots for guys, he probably should of had 8 assists last night
Forget all that crap about PER etc. if you watch Frank vs Mudiay and the eye test tells you Frank is better (right now) then I think you have glaucoma.
Forget all that crap about PER etc. if you watch Frank vs Mudiay and the eye test tells you Frank is better (right now) then I think you have glaucoma.
To act like Mudiay has been good is being blinded by a shiny new toy.
He's ineffient, struggles to finish at the rim, and has to dominate the ball. The only thing he's been better at than Frank is shooting more.
I'm slowly climbing onto the Collin Sexton bandwagon Â
Forget all that crap about PER etc. if you watch Frank vs Mudiay and the eye test tells you Frank is better (right now) then I think you have glaucoma.
To act like Mudiay has been good is being blinded by a shiny new toy.
He's ineffient, struggles to finish at the rim, and has to dominate the ball. The only thing he's been better at than Frank is shooting more.
You are delusional...
The only thing?
Have you not noticed him getting i n the lane at will? Giving guys wide open looks?
Frank can't turn the corner..
The only thing Frank is better at is defense, offensively Frank gives you nothing...
I saw Lee, Beasley and thomas all miss wide open looks off mudiay passes..
When is the last time Frank made a full court pass to someone for an easy layup?
When is the last time Frank beat everyone down the court for a layup or find an open shooter?
Has mudiay shot great? No but he has taken 10 shots per game and made 3.6 of them, he makes 1 or 2 of those layups and he is at 50 percent...
And he dominates the ball? That is what point guards do! I know the knicks have not had a real point guard in a long time but look at every point guard in the league all of the good ones dominate the ball...
Last night who had the ball the entire time for Washington?
Forget all that crap about PER etc. if you watch Frank vs Mudiay and the eye test tells you Frank is better (right now) then I think you have glaucoma.
To act like Mudiay has been good is being blinded by a shiny new toy.
He's ineffient, struggles to finish at the rim, and has to dominate the ball. The only thing he's been better at than Frank is shooting more.
You are delusional...
The only thing?
Have you not noticed him getting i n the lane at will? Giving guys wide open looks?
Frank can't turn the corner..
The only thing Frank is better at is defense, offensively Frank gives you nothing...
I saw Lee, Beasley and thomas all miss wide open looks off mudiay passes..
When is the last time Frank made a full court pass to someone for an easy layup?
When is the last time Frank beat everyone down the court for a layup or find an open shooter?
Has mudiay shot great? No but he has taken 10 shots per game and made 3.6 of them, he makes 1 or 2 of those layups and he is at 50 percent...
And he dominates the ball? That is what point guards do! I know the knicks have not had a real point guard in a long time but look at every point guard in the league all of the good ones dominate the ball...
Last night who had the ball the entire time for Washington?
How about houston? Cleveland? Boston? Okc?
He can't finish when he gets to the rim. If your player dominating the ball is ineffient that's not a good thing.
Because he made one full court pass he's earned minutes over Frank?
Again, like I said in my original post what's has Mudiay done in the week he's been here to earn minutes over Frank? If the excuse for Frank not getting minutes is he has to earn them then why isn't that the same for Mudiay?
Why haven't we seen 20 minutes of Frank and Mudiay on the court at the same time since the Pacers game? Trey Burke did more than Mudiay to earn 20 minutes but he's somehow out of the rotation.
Frank is 22nd in defensive rating among guards who play 20 or more minutes. That's better than anything Mudiay has done.
And you say mudiay can't make a layup, he made 4 last night, when was the last time Frank made 4 layups in a game?
Shit when is the last time Frank had an and 1?
Ok you clearly take everything in absolutes. Saying he struggles at the rim doesn't mean he can't make a layup.
The Mudiay numbers are wildly inflated by his 14 point 10 assist game. In the last two he's averaging 7.5 points, 2.5 assists, 2.5 turnovers. That's not inspiring basketball.
Of players with 18 or more minutes and a usage rate above 20, Mudiay is 110th in percentage of points.
needs to go down to the G League. You can’t start him. You can’t give him big minutes. He needs work.
I’d let him play big minutes down the stretch here. More experience the better even if he struggles big time. Could motivate him to improve over the summer. I still have hope for him. He just needs to gain confidence, improve his handle and finishing. Not easy to do but attainable for a guy that young.
Mudiay may be better right now but for long term prospects it’s not even close for me. Give me Frank by a mile. I am not fan of Mudiay and would have rather gone after Payton.
And you say mudiay can't make a layup, he made 4 last night, when was the last time Frank made 4 layups in a game?
Shit when is the last time Frank had an and 1?
Ok you clearly take everything in absolutes. Saying he struggles at the rim doesn't mean he can't make a layup.
The Mudiay numbers are wildly inflated by his 14 point 10 assist game. In the last two he's averaging 7.5 points, 2.5 assists, 2.5 turnovers. That's not inspiring basketball.
Of players with 18 or more minutes and a usage rate above 20, Mudiay is 110th in percentage of points.
Yup take out his best game so it makes him look worse...
How about I take it his worse game and make him look better?
And when did I say mudiay was a world beater or some all star? I responded because you said Frank is better than mudiay and in the past 3 games he clearly is not, I don't know how that can be argued...
I clearly stated he needs to become a better defender and needs to be a better shooter...
You want to roll with Frank that is fine, I just don't see a starting point guard right now and this is from someone who wanted him..
As for THjr, only a Knicks player can go 12-14 and score 30 something points in the first half and then proceed to be a huge reason why they lose the game in the 2nd half.
I'm glad it was the vets who lost the lead. I would have had a harder time watching the kids lose the lead. It's crazy though how much different this team looks as compared to earlier in the season. Beasley has cooled off, everybody was getting blocked, THjr with the horrible turnovers, Kanter missing wide open dunks... The next few years are going to be rough.
I blame hornacek for killing hardaway momentum..
Instead of continuing to run plays for him, he is running plays for jack and Lee on the opposite side..
Then game on the line he basically says ok hardaway save us...ball should of been in hardaway hands the entire 2nd half..
When melo had his 62 every time down the ball was in his hands, teammates constantly got the ball to him
Next year's team should be filled with players like hezonja and mudiay...
Players who are still very young who have had trouble adjusting to the NBA and need a fresh start
As a reminder plenty of people new about Donovan Mitchell, you heard it here first. Frankly most nba scouting departments are terrible so the fact that 14 teams passed on him is meaningless. Teams are too afraid of 'reaching' for players. Mitchell was a top 5 talent in the draft, but people worried about his height, etc.
We get it dude, you were the one guy who liked Mitchell.
That's what I said above somewhere. No shame in that - he's 19 and really hasn't played much compared to, say, a sophomore at Kansas. If he were in the Yankee organization he'd be playing AA ball at most.
Not a bad idea. I also think he’s needs some time off ~~ he’s blowing fumes at this point.
really ... I've followed the Knicks since like 1962 and this team sucks in ways that I've never seen before. Although they were bad then. Drafting Howard Komives was viewed as a big thing and he was ... Howard Komives. Sort of the Horace Clarke of the early '60s before the Knicks got good.
This team - I don't know. They suck on so many levels, there's not much point in talking about it until they get it sorted out.
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since Hornacek apparently loved him, meaning we scouted him but Big Chief Triangle probably didn't like that he dunks too much.
Smith Jr. on the other hand hasn't exactly set the league on fire. But at least he shows glimpses of ability.
14 other teams missed on Mitchell, no one saw this coming from him
And how many of those 14 other teams have been dogshit as the Knicks this century? Conveniently lumping the Knicks as "just another team" that missed out on Mitchell is lame. The team sucks because they are permanent mainstay as part of the rotating number of teams included in the "just another team that missed out on <insert name>.
Throw in a belegured and clueless coach who still sees Jack as the answer at PG, despite a trainwreck team starving for youth, and you should realize this team is ALWAYS part of the teams that annually screw the pooch.
Frank has guarded Harden and Kyrie but doesn't have enough experience to guard Jodie Fucking Meeks? Hornacek really is something else.
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Hornacek reiterated that Ntilikina, Mudiay & Burke will play more after the All-Star Break. On Ntilikina playing 11 min tonight, Hornacek said he liked what Jarrett Jack was doing w/the starters & said Ntilikina isn’t used to defending an SG coming off screens like Jodie Meeks.
Frank has guarded Harden and Kyrie but doesn't have enough experience to guard Jodie Fucking Meeks? Hornacek really is something else.
I have learned never to take what hornacek says as fact, he always lies
Carl this is me as well, when I watch I root and then the loss happens and I see the value in it and do not get mad...
The only thing I will change though is I would rather lose with burke, Frank and mudiay playing at the point over jack and Dotson playing over Lee and thomas...
With mudiay here, I think Frank should concentrate on his shot this summer, he should work to be the ultimate combo guard, he has good vision and is a good passer.
Mudiay even though he didn't shoot well last night I thought he played well, every time he gets into a lane he finds the open guy, he should of had 8 or 9 assists last night. I thought his defense was better as well..
Coming out of the all star break mudiay and Frank should be the starting back court with hardaway at the 3...
Young guys need to learn how to play through mistakes, they shouldn't have to play thinking ok 1 mistake I am going to sit..
Frank is playing like he is looking over his shoulder, the night he played 31 minutes with mudiay he played very well
I blame hornacek for killing hardaway momentum..
Instead of continuing to run plays for him, he is running plays for jack and Lee on the opposite side..
I'm not quite sure coaches have that much in game control in the NBA. The way I think its works is: Maybe they yell things from the sideline, but the point guard is calling the sets. The team runs a type of motion and whoever is open gets the ball, if nobody gets open it defaults to a post up. I think THjr stopped getting the ball because Washington changed up their defense. The few times Tim got the ball in the 2nd half he got blocked because they were hell bent on stopping him. At least that's what I saw.
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I blame hornacek for killing hardaway momentum..
Instead of continuing to run plays for him, he is running plays for jack and Lee on the opposite side..
I'm not quite sure coaches have that much in game control in the NBA. The way I think its works is: Maybe they yell things from the sideline, but the point guard is calling the sets. The team runs a type of motion and whoever is open gets the ball, if nobody gets open it defaults to a post up. I think THjr stopped getting the ball because Washington changed up their defense. The few times Tim got the ball in the 2nd half he got blocked because they were hell bent on stopping him. At least that's what I saw.
I saw hornacek calling plays and jack continusouly going to the opposite side of hardaway and going to lee...
And if they can't get the ball to hardaway they should have him bring the ball up and run pick and roll..
On Washington who had the ball most of the game? Who was their hot player?
A good coach gets the ball into the hot players hands any chance he can get...
Instead we see Beasley chucking
Cause he's our shiny new toy and management wants to play with it.
Young guys need to learn how to play through mistakes, they shouldn't have to play thinking ok 1 mistake I am going to sit..
Frank is playing like he is looking over his shoulder, the night he played 31 minutes with mudiay he played very well
I think that's Hornacek's way to get his veterans out there and try to win the game. I still believe "he believes" he still has to win to keep his job.
So pulling the trigger on the young guys, after one mistake, is probably his way to work around management (if they're asking him to play the young guys more to develop)
Because he is better? No effort on d? He had 3 steals...
Is mudiay a good defender? Absolutely not but he gets in the line, he can get to the hoop, he finds the open man, his shot was off last night but he still impacts a game...
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He gives none of the young guys any leash, 1 mistake they are out, you can't develop players that way..
Young guys need to learn how to play through mistakes, they shouldn't have to play thinking ok 1 mistake I am going to sit..
Frank is playing like he is looking over his shoulder, the night he played 31 minutes with mudiay he played very well
I think that's Hornacek's way to get his veterans out there and try to win the game. I still believe "he believes" he still has to win to keep his job.
So pulling the trigger on the young guys, after one mistake, is probably his way to work around management (if they're asking him to play the young guys more to develop)
Are the vets really giving the knicks a better chance to win? Really? Jarrett jack has trouble bringing the ball passed the 3 point line...
Hardaway and Lee are constantly dribbling because with jack there is no point guard to distribute...
No, it is like management told him play the young guys, so that first game he did, they lost and then all of sudden he was like why play the young guys?
If he becomes a combo guard he can still play a little point if you need him to but I think for him and the team he needs to embrace becoming a 2 guard..
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The maddening thing about Hornaceck is Mudiay has been on the team for a week, makes just as many mistakes as Frank, has just as many holes and gives no effort on D. But plays more minutes than Frank. Why? Because he shoots more?
Because he is better? No effort on d? He had 3 steals...
Is mudiay a good defender? Absolutely not but he gets in the line, he can get to the hoop, he finds the open man, his shot was off last night but he still impacts a game...
He's not a good defender, and there's multiple times a game where he just doesn't bother to get over screens or close out.
Is Mudiay better? He's shooting 36% from the field since he's been here, Frabks shooting 38%. Mudiay has also turned it over a bunch.
1 time in his second game
4 times last night, 2 of which were traveling calls..
Should we go over how many times Frank turns it over?
I don't know how anyone watching these games can think Frank has been better, not to mention mudiay has not even had a practice with the team yet
Now extremely small sample size and we would all wish he shot better, missed a couple easy layups last night but again no practice time with the team..
We would all kill for frank to be averaging that, and you can see the difference when mudiay is running the offense, he is getting wide open shots for guys, he probably should of had 8 assists last night
To act like Mudiay has been good is being blinded by a shiny new toy.
He's ineffient, struggles to finish at the rim, and has to dominate the ball. The only thing he's been better at than Frank is shooting more.
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Forget all that crap about PER etc. if you watch Frank vs Mudiay and the eye test tells you Frank is better (right now) then I think you have glaucoma.
To act like Mudiay has been good is being blinded by a shiny new toy.
He's ineffient, struggles to finish at the rim, and has to dominate the ball. The only thing he's been better at than Frank is shooting more.
You are delusional...
The only thing?
Have you not noticed him getting i n the lane at will? Giving guys wide open looks?
Frank can't turn the corner..
The only thing Frank is better at is defense, offensively Frank gives you nothing...
I saw Lee, Beasley and thomas all miss wide open looks off mudiay passes..
When is the last time Frank made a full court pass to someone for an easy layup?
When is the last time Frank beat everyone down the court for a layup or find an open shooter?
Has mudiay shot great? No but he has taken 10 shots per game and made 3.6 of them, he makes 1 or 2 of those layups and he is at 50 percent...
And he dominates the ball? That is what point guards do! I know the knicks have not had a real point guard in a long time but look at every point guard in the league all of the good ones dominate the ball...
Last night who had the ball the entire time for Washington?
How about houston? Cleveland? Boston? Okc?
The highest centers were Joel embiid and kristaps porzingis and demarcus cousins...
The rest all guards
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Forget all that crap about PER etc. if you watch Frank vs Mudiay and the eye test tells you Frank is better (right now) then I think you have glaucoma.
To act like Mudiay has been good is being blinded by a shiny new toy.
He's ineffient, struggles to finish at the rim, and has to dominate the ball. The only thing he's been better at than Frank is shooting more.
You are delusional...
The only thing?
Have you not noticed him getting i n the lane at will? Giving guys wide open looks?
Frank can't turn the corner..
The only thing Frank is better at is defense, offensively Frank gives you nothing...
I saw Lee, Beasley and thomas all miss wide open looks off mudiay passes..
When is the last time Frank made a full court pass to someone for an easy layup?
When is the last time Frank beat everyone down the court for a layup or find an open shooter?
Has mudiay shot great? No but he has taken 10 shots per game and made 3.6 of them, he makes 1 or 2 of those layups and he is at 50 percent...
And he dominates the ball? That is what point guards do! I know the knicks have not had a real point guard in a long time but look at every point guard in the league all of the good ones dominate the ball...
Last night who had the ball the entire time for Washington?
How about houston? Cleveland? Boston? Okc?
He can't finish when he gets to the rim. If your player dominating the ball is ineffient that's not a good thing.
Because he made one full court pass he's earned minutes over Frank?
Again, like I said in my original post what's has Mudiay done in the week he's been here to earn minutes over Frank? If the excuse for Frank not getting minutes is he has to earn them then why isn't that the same for Mudiay?
Why haven't we seen 20 minutes of Frank and Mudiay on the court at the same time since the Pacers game? Trey Burke did more than Mudiay to earn 20 minutes but he's somehow out of the rotation.
Frank is 22nd in defensive rating among guards who play 20 or more minutes. That's better than anything Mudiay has done.
You have not noticed players getting wide open shots when mudiay is on the floor?
And he is averaging 10 shots per game that is hardly chucking, as a comparison Frank is averaging 6 shots per game...
And you say dominates the ball? His usage is 26.6, Frank's is 17.6, a point guards usage is always going to be higher..
I don't know how anyone watching can not see the difference between mudiay running the point and Frank..
And I am all for giving Frank more minutes alongside mudiay, but to say he has been better is simply wrong..
When Frank can acreage 10 5 and 3 for 3 straight games with only 2 turnovers we can talk...
Frank had a stat line worse than lance Thomas the other game, think about that
And you say mudiay can't make a layup, he made 4 last night, when was the last time Frank made 4 layups in a game?
Shit when is the last time Frank had an and 1?
And you say mudiay can't make a layup, he made 4 last night, when was the last time Frank made 4 layups in a game?
Shit when is the last time Frank had an and 1?
Ok you clearly take everything in absolutes. Saying he struggles at the rim doesn't mean he can't make a layup.
The Mudiay numbers are wildly inflated by his 14 point 10 assist game. In the last two he's averaging 7.5 points, 2.5 assists, 2.5 turnovers. That's not inspiring basketball.
Of players with 18 or more minutes and a usage rate above 20, Mudiay is 110th in percentage of points.
I’d let him play big minutes down the stretch here. More experience the better even if he struggles big time. Could motivate him to improve over the summer. I still have hope for him. He just needs to gain confidence, improve his handle and finishing. Not easy to do but attainable for a guy that young.
Mudiay may be better right now but for long term prospects it’s not even close for me. Give me Frank by a mile. I am not fan of Mudiay and would have rather gone after Payton.
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We all know Frank is a better defender..
And you say mudiay can't make a layup, he made 4 last night, when was the last time Frank made 4 layups in a game?
Shit when is the last time Frank had an and 1?
Ok you clearly take everything in absolutes. Saying he struggles at the rim doesn't mean he can't make a layup.
The Mudiay numbers are wildly inflated by his 14 point 10 assist game. In the last two he's averaging 7.5 points, 2.5 assists, 2.5 turnovers. That's not inspiring basketball.
Of players with 18 or more minutes and a usage rate above 20, Mudiay is 110th in percentage of points.
Yup take out his best game so it makes him look worse...
How about I take it his worse game and make him look better?
And when did I say mudiay was a world beater or some all star? I responded because you said Frank is better than mudiay and in the past 3 games he clearly is not, I don't know how that can be argued...
I clearly stated he needs to become a better defender and needs to be a better shooter...
You want to roll with Frank that is fine, I just don't see a starting point guard right now and this is from someone who wanted him..