Salary cap won't prohibit Giants from significant moves

Can we move on from them right now? If not, why is that?

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arc Go Terps : 2/15/2018 10:27 pm : link : reply Can we move on from them right now? If not, why is that?

Technically, we can move on from any player, but here's the thing - Why should we move from JPP and Vernon right now? Are they THAT bad? No.

That's the issue when you start overly leaning on a skewed view of a player by their contract - you start to treat them as if they are terrible - hence my parallels to Kuhn, Donnell and others above, when in actuality, they are impact guys. Heck, a healthy Vernon is still a young guy and both players are solid two-way guys.

Making moves solely on how expensive a player is will lead you to cheaper options, but rarely better ones

In comment 13834095 Go Terps said:

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Can we move on from them right now? If not, why is that?

Why would we move on from them? Who are we bringing in that is better? And if we cut them what players from other positions are we signing that we can’t right now? The Giants have made it clear that the cap will not prevent them from signing any players. If they want Norwell and he wants them, they will sign him. So how exactly does it help the team to cut both pieces of what many consider one of the best DE tandems in the league?

Regardless of your opinion of them, when teams are scouting the Giants and you read pregame evaluations each week from the opponents, the first things that come up from them when talking about the Giants strengths are Beckham and the DL.

they'd probably get the same deals on the open market. The Giants have plenty of cap space and don't need to clear it. I don't think any reasonable fan would want to get rid of JPP and/or Vernon when we aren't trying to save money to sign someone else.

we could have a strong OL!!






And a shitty tandem of DE's......

In comment 13834095 Go Terps said:

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Can we move on from them right now? If not, why is that?

"Why do we need to?" might be a better question.

I'm not sure I can come up with a good answer for that.

They're overpaid, but these aren't albatross deals for players who are useless. Both guys can still play. Why are we in such a rush to get out of these deals right this second?

and should have productive years ahead with an "easy" out within the next year or 2.

hard why Go Terps wants to move away from them. He thinks JPP is a jackass for blowing off his hand and that they are overpaid.

So he's going to bang the drum that they shouldn't be here, just as he keeps doing with Beckham. Basically, the players are unlikeable in his eyes (not sure how that applies to Vernon), so he'd prefer they aren't giants. Same for Jenkins.

I get that. So just say you don't want them on the team - don't try to twist it into an illogical argument or arguments.

Trying to bring logic into an emotional decision. It doesn't work.

He loves this shit about the cap despite displaying no rationale worth listening to. But people continue to ask for his 'insight'.

In comment 13833982 Go Terps said:

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There are other positions, like TE, G, or S, where "spending huge" is a completely different ball game.

Meant to say that while this debate has gone all over the place, I do think that this is an interesting point

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There are other positions, like TE, G, or S, where "spending huge" is a completely different ball game.

Reese, and many other GMs, have their "glamour" positions. Logic says you spend big money and use valuable draft picks on DE, LT, CB, WR. You don't use those assets on TE, G, S, LB, DT, etc.

But the price for that when everybody is thinking the same way is those guys end up being tremendously expensive.

While I think Vernon and JPP are good players, there is no doubt that we paid elite money for very good, but not elite players. But if we didn't give Vernon that, he would have easily got it elsewhere.

I'm interested in the idea of going the opposite way of that. Invest the money in the non premium positions because the elite money isn't nearly as much as it will be for premium positions. And you can maybe get 2-3 of them for the price of one big DE contract.

I thought the Eagles did a nice job of that. They locked up key pieces at DT, TE, S, and LB. They built a lot of depth at DE with manageable contracts. No matter what you think of our guys, there is no doubt that we lack pass rushing depth.

Their CBs were nothing special, probably below average. But they didn't have to be great because the surrounding units were so strong.

The Patriots model is unrealistic. But I thought the Eagles presented a nice, realistic model of a team that spent to retain their guys, but did so efficiently at positions that are not valued at a premium by the market.

Just a thought

In comment 13834406 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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hard why Go Terps wants to move away from them. He thinks JPP is a jackass for blowing off his hand and that they are overpaid. So he's going to bang the drum that they shouldn't be here, just as he keeps doing with Beckham. Basically, the players are unlikeable in his eyes (not sure how that applies to Vernon), so he'd prefer they aren't giants. Same for Jenkins. I get that. So just say you don't want them on the team - don't try to twist it into an illogical argument or arguments.

This is completely wrong.